Man, 84, arrested over arms cache

2012-07-29 16:34

Johannesburg - A Bloemfontein pensioner has been arrested for possession of four shotguns, two revolvers and ammunition, Free State police said on Sunday

"On questioning... he could not give the police a satisfactory explanation as to how he got hold of the firearms and also failed to produce licence for the firearms," said Captain Chaka Marope.

He said the arrest of the 84-year-old man followed months of investigation.

Police raided his home on Friday and found four shotguns, two revolvers and 102 rounds of ammunition for various calibre firearms.

The man was expected to appear in the Bloemfontein Magistrate's Court on Monday on charges of illegal possession of firearms and ammunition.

  • flyswat - 2012-07-29 17:11

    Arms cache?? Goodness! My guess is they were all inherited and he doesn't remember. And what's so wrong about an old man arming himself with the only useful self defence solutions in this country? My goodness!! What is this world coming to? Everyone should have a couple shotguns within reach...

      Squeegee - 2012-07-29 17:31

      Ridiculous. "He said the arrest of the 84-year-old man followed months of investigation." How many murderers, rapists, etc. could have been investigated and arrested in this time. This is not a victory for the police.

      charmaine.paterson1 - 2012-07-29 17:46

      I also found it ridiculous to call this an arms cache. Really?! He is 84, how dangerous can he be. Toothless SAPS.

      michael.i.wright - 2012-07-29 18:06

      @squeegee.pilot, you do realize that they have just potentially saved some of those murderers and rapists who could have been ruthlessly gunned down by this old guy while trying to rape his family after beating him to death, don't you? As such, they would consider it a job well done. If I do the crystal ball thing, I see the old guy getting bail in court, followed soon by a short piece in the news about another old couple brutally murdered at which point it will all go into file 13 to be forgotten. In all, a great victory for the popo.

      tony.kirby1 - 2012-07-29 18:40

      Maybe it did take months to investigate. The docket could have been lost a few times, then the investigating officer was on sick leave and then it could have been allocated to another officer who got suspended on full pay. And then when the old man mentioned that somebody was trying bribe him did they arrest him. So u see it could have taken months

  • michael.i.wright - 2012-07-29 17:22

    84? Shame, poor old chap probably thinks he still lives in a time where you are allowed to protect yourself. A good lawyer will get him off on mental incompetence. As to the cops who spent months on this, mental incompetence is no excuse.

      chris.holloway.5 - 2012-07-29 19:57

      Wonder what would take months to investigate. Wonder how many investigators it required. Wonder what went uninvestigated as a result of this major issue!!

  • kimsaiyanprincess.murison - 2012-07-29 17:35

    - He's protecting himself as the government doesn't have laws in place for defenseless people. Only the elite get protection, even from breaking the rules.

  • mike.lamb.7777 - 2012-07-29 17:45

    They're determined we're not going to have an Aurora or Columbine happen here! :-)

  • johan.maree.5036 - 2012-07-29 17:55

    After months of investigation, shame, I pity our POPO!

  • BulletProof. - 2012-07-29 17:59

    What a F....K is an arms cache?Is he going to overtrow the government with all that arsenal?Somebody forgot that stuff at is house for donky years and with that age he can't even remember who, leave the poor old man alone, for much more Selebi is out.

  • johnvkaraoke - 2012-07-29 18:03

    bloody amazing but if it was a black robber/rapist he would of been given zuma's merit bor bravey and self improvement

  • gregory.jurgens - 2012-07-29 18:10

    What a major threat to the stability of the country. A grandpa with a couple of shotguns. I can already see the SANDF running for cover.

      fourhundredkg.bobbejaan - 2012-07-29 18:53

      You are probably right. All the SAPS and SANDF weaponry has been either lost, stolen or sold to criminals!

  • Gerhard1Marais - 2012-07-29 18:11

    After months of determenation and investigation I can now leggaly show that \some\ police members are far from the bar of competency. Define arms cach. Investigating a 84 year old my my... Seems to me that when your were born pre 94 you are and will be allways ridiculed for you choices. As a reasonable and practicable man I think also that the information conveyed in this here article is also a bit sketchy. Wanna see a real arms cach??? Just walk into a police station and see what's happening in their safes. Ok regardless of that. . , Don't the police have better things to investigate than some poor Afrikaner pensioner? I'm paying my taxes and I want to see a crackdown on farm murders. Also I would like the death penalty be reinstated seeing that I pay so much taxes... Who the frack is in control? The tax payer or the incompetent so called goverment? Just read how they murder for our tax paying money. In itself that is a indication of a mafia style rule... So let's reases the 84 year old... As a reasonable and practicable man of 84 years old. I myself will also arm myself to the teeth seeing all these murders on whites are commited. Shucks we are the minority and as such we have a right to secure ourselfes. So mister that made the arrest... You actualy did identify a 84 year old pensioner as a threat to society??? Tell me sir... How did you come to that conclusion or who incited that you investigate a 84 year old? Seems to me more a question of political entrapment am I not correct to conclude that? Surely there is another means of handling such a case sir? Question sir? What was your motivation to identify this 84 year old as a threat to socciety. The man can barely run can he not? Conclusion the state is entrapping whites... What could have been done? Basicly any gun smith under the supervision of the state may remove the gun firing pin if the gun has sentimental family value. So my next question will be... Isn't the white minority therefore not targeted??? Did the state act accordingly ??? I think not. My believe is that the arrest was made on the incompetent decision influenced by race, gender and believe system. Therefore I will challenge the state legaly to look into this very strongly...

  • clive.brink - 2012-07-29 18:14

    Maybe he is a freedom fighter, or maybe just plain scared, spurred by all the violent crime against the aged, defenceless and innocent.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-07-29 18:16

    Damn at his age, he must have been some kind of a shooter back then.

  • louis.hager.12 - 2012-07-29 18:22

    If he got arrested for being in possession of an \arms cache\, then the POPO should arrest all service delivery protesters within a small radius of a pile of rocks.

  • carlson.thipe - 2012-07-29 18:23

    You find the old man guilty-you give him parole.

  • Andre - 2012-07-29 18:27

    Why are the authorities not so efficient in digging out real arms caches with thousands of rounds of military ammunition and high power military rifles that the criminals are using every day to commit crime in SA? ATM's are blown up, banks are robbed and innocent citizens are held at gunpoint, but the cops cannot do anything to prevent it. But they cheer when they find a few shotguns. Shame, they are pathetic!

  • tobydt - 2012-07-29 18:30

    4 shotguns and 2 revolvers is an arms-cache?

      tobydt - 2012-07-29 18:55

      The self-defense mechanisms of an old man that cant count on the government for protection.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-07-29 18:36

    Is that the best they could do is pick on an 84 year guy. Really. Anyway, pensioners are soon to be turning to crime because criminals get better looked after than they do. It costs the state over R3000. per month to keep a prisoner behind bars a poor pensioner only get R1270 per month and they have pay rent and electricity etc out of that. Sure Crime in this country is good business. I suggest they better build an old age home for a prison to keep all the future pensions who will be turning to crime.

  • elvis.nkoana - 2012-07-29 19:19

    Those guns can end up in the hands of wrong people. Anyway, South Africans were given anmensty to hand over their weapons. Why didn't he? He might be elderly but his behaviour is reminiscent of the old tendecies of keeping arms to fend off a "swart gevaar".

      Henk - 2012-07-29 19:22

      Wrong people, like the swart gevaar ancyl tsotsis

  • makhaza.magilindane - 2012-07-29 19:19

    Whole army in his house gud bye oupa

      tommo.too - 2012-07-30 00:08

      Respect those who are older than you. Midget!

  • archangel.zerachiel - 2012-07-29 19:26

    Arms cache??? Yeah right!!! Stupid government hiding the weapons the cANCer did not hand in pre-94, AK-47's, RPG's, RPD's etc. and they want to divert attention from this by arresting one poor, retired, old man. Shame on them. I wonder how many Cash in Transit Hijackings this old geezer pulled? None!!!!! How many weapons lost (hired out/stolen) by SAPS and the National Defense Farce?

  • richard.lemmer1 - 2012-07-29 19:32

    What a joke ! Months of investigations ! What a load of BS ! Rather put your time in investigating corrupt and incompetent Police ! 102 rounds of ammunition of various cal ! The smallest packet of 22 ammo is 50 and is as big as a match box !

  • ron.warwick.79 - 2012-07-29 20:21

    At that age it is very likely he is a ANCYL member and will have all charges dropped.

  • lizelle.grobbelaarvanzyl - 2012-07-29 20:42

    Ag please man! The recoil of a shotgun would dislocate the old man's shoulder! And who's he gonna shoot anyway? Rather go catch some real crims!

  • scouter.fourone - 2012-07-29 20:54

    'Arms for Cash' more like it, when it comes to the Police....

  • Rinnewien - 2012-07-29 21:21

    I bet you one of those guns is his oupas old Sanna from the ABW, his old .303 , a windbuks and a pre WW2 pistol. And while the cops are catching an old man in Bloemfontien a student gets stabbed! The police in some areas are pathetic! I want them to know I am an elderly woman in posession of a bread knife! Tje

  • francois.v.eeden.3 - 2012-07-29 23:29

    SAPS should start catching real criminals

  • riotousr - 2012-07-30 08:55

    Farm attack. Several shotguns in the hands of a senile 84 year olds can be dangerous to the community. Even Nicolaas Pieter Johannes Janse van Rensburg knows that.

  • brenton.tyrrell - 2012-07-30 09:36

    Arms cache? 84 year old resistance fighter? Have a look at the list of weapons in the "cache". Come on News 24, next thing you'll be telling us that he moonlighted as a nimble cat burgler.

  • busicor.nel - 2012-07-30 09:40

    Sad to say I feel for the oom but these gun could have been taken from him and lead to people being killed on farms. You can’t comment on the law sometimes, it must work the same for everybody. It is sad that he had to spend the weekend in jail but maybe this move saved others lives. Four shotguns and two resolvers can’t be for self defense.

  • stefan.kruger.1297 - 2012-07-30 10:30

    Its probably because he knows this county is heading for civil war, and just wants to protect himself... I mean.. he's from the FREESTATE!! Luckily with our logical government they took him away so that he's @ss could be exposed to a thousand prisoners.... this country... makes me want to throw up on all the political idiots!!

  • alan.ingram.355 - 2012-07-30 10:34

    The SAPS have the same incompetence as i witnessed with the staff in Ackermans Northgate on Saturday where 5 staff memebers tried to find out the cost of a jersey on sale and requested the manamger to came and help (but he never arrived) and i never got my friggen jersey ????????

  • don.quioxte.3 - 2012-07-30 15:19

    Congratulations. What a pathetic bunch of wankers.

  • ramosa61 - 2012-07-31 09:12

    I happen to know Leslie Kussman through business dealings. He is a lovable, harmless old man who only wants to do peaceful business. His customers are mostly black people, who get the same courteous treatment as any other group. He couldn't hurt a fly. His only mistake was to store some guns in his safe for friends who don't have safes themselves. Let's hope that the justice system will treat him with the same degree of sympsthy that he displays to his customers.

  • Quartus van Zyl - 2013-04-07 07:27

    He was going to take theses weapons with him to the other side

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