Man claims to have map of heaven

2012-03-19 11:34

Johannesburg - A self-proclaimed prophet from Mandeni, in KwaZulu-Natal, claims he has been to heaven four times, according to a report on Monday.

Sibusiso Mthembu, 64, said there were 11 heavens and he had drawn a map of them, the Sowetan newspaper reported.

Mthembu said he had his first heavenly journey in December 1998. The other three journeys took place in 2004, 2006 and 2008. On his return, he drew a map of heaven and its residents.

"An angel, whom I later realised was Gabriel, who was in his early 20s, appeared at my house and led me by the hand to the Mandeni River where he baptised me and he returned to heaven," Mthembu told the newspaper.

He said the same angel arrived in 1998 and this time took him along to heaven. Mthembu said he had seen God, Jesus and angels during his journeys.

Mthembu had written several books documenting his heavenly experiences, according to the newspaper.

  • MonTage69 - 2012-03-19 11:43


      Mike - 2012-03-19 12:09

      Interesting or just pure madness,I suspect the old man might not be right up stairs or he might be planning something big like a church.

      Martin - 2012-03-19 12:26

      id say give him a bells but its clear he's riding the blue train already

      Leon - 2012-03-19 12:40

      What is so hard to believe? If there is a god (whom a lot of people believe in without any real evidence) and he has prophets (as it states he has); perhaps this is the prophet spoken of: Deuteronomy 18:18 "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Who is to say he is not the prophet? Madness? No more mad than believing in a sky daddy in the first place. If anything the psychosis of religion opened the door of mental illness in this individual because his logical mind could not deal with the inconsistencies between reality and the religious lies he's been fed since birth.

      Peter - 2012-03-19 12:51

      Is KZN competing to be a newsmaker of the year, goodness!!!

      TheJaydedKing - 2012-03-19 13:02

      Nice comment searcher completely agree. Whilst on the subject of ridiculous religions has anyone checked up on Mormons and the magical book of Mormon? This guy could be very similar.

      Graham - 2012-03-19 13:05

      Please could you supply me the gps coordinates

      Nazeem - 2012-03-19 13:13

      @Searcher,that Prophet whcih deutoronomy speaks about has already been born,lived to the age of 63 and passed away,Muhamad (Peace be upon him) is that final Prophet to the entire humanity, he was the Prophet "like unto thee (Moses PBUH)".

      satanslord - 2012-03-19 13:15

      That Durban poison he's smoking is wicked.

      Leon - 2012-03-19 13:49

      @Nazeem Majiet: (Please don't bomb my house!) People have been deluded by religion for thousands of years. I have no doubt that Mohamad was sincere. I only know he was misinformed and perhaps a bit psychotic. Much as our friend Sibusiso Mthembu above is.

      Nazeem - 2012-03-19 14:02

      @Searcher my cyberfriend,lol no worries,you have quoted the bible verse and all I said that GOD reffered to Prophet Muhamad PBUH,I humbly request that you read up on Muhammad and not to draw conclusions from sources which states that he was "misinformed and perhaps a bit psychotic".

      angelanell7 - 2012-03-19 14:05

      I wonder where he really went in his dreams because he definitely did not go to heaven!!! crazy dude needs psychiatric help

      Leon - 2012-03-19 14:13

      @Nazeem Majiet: I hold that anyone believing blindly in any form or religion and scripture is misinformed and perhaps a bit psychotic; depending on whether you have heard the voice of your deity or not. Belief in itself (holding something as true without proof), is a form of self disillusion. The fact that this is a shared madness does not make it less psychotic; only more dangerous. The fact that I am called an infidel, an unbeliever or even a blasphemer is meant by the religious as an insult. I wear these words (as a thinking and analytical man) as a badge of honor.

      Merven - 2012-03-19 14:18

      I also know where heaven is: Stormvoël Shopping Centre, Kilner Park, Pretoria

      Christopher - 2012-03-19 16:11

      go to this link to see the heavens open.

      Martin - 2012-03-19 20:22

      Eish what's this guy smoking.My first and last joint also sent me on a trip to where-ever

      gouws2 - 2012-03-19 20:22

      Why the hell do people not believe in this story but they believe all the other BS they get told about religion??? Horsemen of the apocalypse, created everything in 6 days, devils tempting Jesus on cliffs in the dessert, monsters rising out of the ocean, a place where u burn for eternity if your bad EVEN when god knows where your gonna end up before you were born!!!!! But no.... this is where they draw the line and say, nah this didn't happen! geeeeezzzz, sheeple!! brainwashed beyond repair!

      Pdevillet - 2012-03-19 21:13

      he is smoking good stuff,i also want some....

      Sean - 2012-03-20 01:41

      @Sibusiso Mthembu - Go to Cymot , they have a special on ropes !! FFS , lol !! Please take Malema with you !!!!!!

      Ismaeel - 2012-03-20 07:09

      @Seacher: Bomp your house? Is this how you label Islam? Is this how christians label Islam??? Is this what christianity tought you?? In Islam we do not judge a religion by a few of thier followers but rather for what the religion stand for eg: there where so many Priest that raped young boys, did we say look at that christian? did we say stay away from christians they might rape our kids? NO!!! we said look at that man and the sick things he does!! no where do we pull in religion.. You asked Nezaam not to bomb your house??? What abot the thousands of inncocent ppl killed by the US soldiers??? Children? Mothers? Do we say why does christians kill Muslims????? NO!!! it was the order of the US President and he is to be guilty not all the ppl in the US, cause not all the ppl supported his cause!! Islam teaches us not to Judge religion or ppl by the media but rather by what they stand for.. Iv yet to come arross a Muslim that insults a other religion yet thier are so many other religions that insult Islam??? Who has more repsect? integrity? Does Christianity teach you to disrespect others? Do not think so!! Learn some respect and maybe you will grow some integrity

      Leon - 2012-03-20 07:31

      @Ismaeel - Sorry for the offense; it was a tongue in cheek statement; but to set the record straight, I am not a Christian, I am in fact an atheist. This means that I treat all religion and religions dogma (Christianity, Islam or just recently invented) with an equal measure of contempt and disdain.

      Mattewis - 2012-03-20 07:38

      @Searcher It would seem that you still haven't found what you're looking for!

      Peter - 2012-03-20 08:24

      Oh Gouws .... wake up. Had you any kind of theological knowledge, you would know why Christians do not believe this man and agree he needs to be institutionalised. Don't comment on things you know nothing about.

      Peter - 2012-03-20 08:27

      Searcher ... You have contempt for things you know nothing about I see. Interesting. Trust you are happy with your eternity.

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-03-20 08:57

      Mal-pitte is vary risky boet just say no!

      desertratbkf - 2012-03-20 09:06

      Bwahahaha? And you believe this? Damn, such gullible people around!

      Leon - 2012-03-20 09:09

      @Peter - To paraphrase Jimmy Carr: We all had invisible friends; I just grew out of mine. I used to be just like you; indoctrinated into religious dogma since birth. I simply had the good fortune to stumble upon some logical errors as I was reading the bible and started asking some hard questions those responsible for my initial brainwashing simply could not answer. Since then I asked the same questions of all religions that crossed my path. The long and the short of it is that I concluded that it is more likely to be true that man invented god than the inverse. Do not ask me to precis the questions in this forum; because they are legion and sometimes quite complex. @Mattewis; I may not have found what I would have liked to be true (fairy-tales and magical solutions); but I did find what I was looking for; the truth that no provable deity exists.

      Schmee - 2012-03-20 09:48

      Sigh... And this is how KZN became the province with the most religious freaks and we all know how Limpopo became the province with all the wife bashers.

      Nazeem - 2012-03-20 11:03

      @Searcher,I take it that the proof you require to believe in GOD,is that you want to see him.with all due respect then having faith would not be neccesary,GOD has created us in order to test us who is best in deeds,so when a muderer kill's that is there choice and GOD will eventually deal with them,therefore people rejecting GOD is wrong when saying that GOD is doing nothing.Faith is to believe in the unseen,People today believing in other theories also did not see it happening,eg The Big Bang are they also misinformed and a bit phsycotic?

      rheinhardt.peens - 2012-03-20 12:42


      Leon - 2012-03-20 13:23

      @ Searcher: Actually believing blindly in any form of religion as called faith and it is your lack of it that makes you feel the need to keep searching. Perhaps it could also be the cause for your need to insult people because they do. I really hope you find what your searching for.

      Marius - 2012-03-20 13:59

      Searcher, I might not agree with what you say, but I like the way you say it.

      Leon - 2012-03-20 14:56

      @Nazeem Majiet - I hold that a god who creates people just to test their faith in them while bringing hardships such as famine, war (possibly our own fault), disease, poverty and inequality into their lives (factually putting them through, for the lack of a better word, hell); then expecting to be exulted in the name of a life long test, is not worth the worship of an infantile mind. This is only my humble opinion; but the fact remains; if I'm in this hell already, where logic is worth less than dogma; then your unproven and fallacious hell has nothing on the proven reality you and your fellow fideles (believers) have already forced upon the thinking man by perpetuating your delusions.

      Leon - 2012-03-20 15:06

      @Leon - Perhaps you can enlighten me as to whom I have insulted? Thank you for your well wishes on my quest; but simply stating that I should close my eyes and click my heals 3 times to get home (believe blindly) is in no way an answer to any aspect of the human condition. In fact it is the very cornerstone of surrender. If it's to complex, attribute it to a deity. If all people thought that way; we'd still be grunting at each other (face to face that is and not using the internet).

      rory.eliot - 2012-03-20 15:19

      It's easy to assume someones mad when they speak of things you have no understanding of... But if you believe that you say a presence once, who am I to say you are a mad liar... regardless of whether they are or not.

      Leon - 2012-03-20 15:21

      @Marius - Thank you for your compliment, diverse minds can only meet in mutual respect; not respect of the issue; but of the capability of the person. I will gladly debate intelligence; I have no arguments that would be effective against foolish conviction.

      Leon - 2012-03-20 16:49

      @Searcher: well if asking nazeema not to bomb your house is not an insult then I apologise. I have to also say I find it also insulting when you say people who believe in a greater being is Pshycotic. but if you find that it was not, I am clearly mistaken... And yes! Faith is the very cornerstone of surrender. you are absolutly correct. That is what religion is about, to me anycase. I have to also disagree with the grunting part. how do you explain the fact that very religiose people like the egyptians were able to build the pyramids? Im NOT saying it wasnt due to science, I am however saying it was religiouse people that built it. even if they worshiped the sun. the fact remains. You are generalising a far more complicated subject and it seems as if you are vomiting thoughts based on opinion rather than facts... by the way, if you dont understand scripture best is to read it again but the next time in context. read the whole passage to get a better understanding. Its funny how atheists think its impossible for religiouse folk to think freely. Religion does not limited me, its the otherway around. it sets me free....

      rbphiri - 2012-03-21 11:20

      A self-proclaimed prophet from Mandeni, in KwaZulu-Natal, claims he has been to heaven four times. Is he sure that it wasn't a mental home masqueraded behind paintings of clouds? Or is he reinforcing Zuma's religious utterance prior to last year's election?

      rbphiri - 2012-03-21 11:21

      If he said he had a map to hell...which led him to parliament than it would be believable.

      Tugwana - 2012-03-21 11:30

      @Graham,,,,,you have to risk death with no guarantee of resurrection. Are u ready to do that?

      peppermentze - 2012-03-21 12:23

      Ismaeel - You’re not judging? With generalizations and assumptions like these, you are getting there very fast, friend.

      Leon - 2012-03-22 10:07

      @Leon - Simply to address what has been achieved by religious. The scope of religious achievement has always be in service of a single goal: To serve the aim of the dogma. Any other need has been destroyed and violently so (burning of heretics(free thinkers and scientists), crucifixion and dismemberment of christians etc.). In pre-christian times the ruler assumed the veil of a deity directly; whereas later they claimed that they acted as a representative of god. In religion we can discriminate between 4 distinct casts: 1) The super Exploiter - A person who has no affiliation with faith; but exploits it in order to maintain control and have things done. (They have the power) 2) The exploiter - This cast is a typical religious leader in the public eye. This person may or may not believe in the dogma; but perpetuates it for monitory and other tangible gains. 3) The perpetuator - This cast believe with all their heart and is in fact a recruiter. They display no provable advantage or disadvantage from religion (save for their personal warm, fuzzy feeling); yet they have been given all the tools to indoctrinate and the desire to do so. 4) The Exploited - Those indoctrinated into religion and to whom their life quality would have been better served by standard moral and loving upbringing than religious indoctrination. They serve to their own detriment.

      Leon - 2012-03-22 10:08

      Coming back to the pyramids. They were built with the express goal of appeasing their gods, Pharaoh being one of them. Simply imagine if that amount of energy could be directed into some project that would benefit everybody.

      Leon - 2012-03-22 10:20

      By the way; my statement on casts can be applied to any held belief; not just religion. Take for a "fact" that democracy is the best system of government; then apply the casts mentioned.

  • Bryan - 2012-03-19 11:43

    The problem with what are clearly the ramblings of an idiot are that a certain portion of the local population will actually believe this moron... stupidity has no bounds..!!

      Matthew - 2012-03-19 11:50

      I suspect the honorable holy man has spent the last 30 years smoking dagga-pips and drinking home brewed hooch.

      lovenergy - 2012-03-19 11:58

      Look the drawing itself is pretty amazing (we had a pic of it in our local newspaper). How can you dis it without seeing it? The problem with News24 reporting is that it is CRAP and not worth being called journalism

      robert.cerff - 2012-03-19 12:06

      Bryan... some 2,000 years ago the same said angel appeared and as the story goes a child was born to a virgin woman... It all seems legit if you ask me. Then again, if you refute the first story... ;)

      Clarve - 2012-03-19 12:14

      @Robert You're talking about Horus, right?

      Clive.D.Buckley - 2012-03-19 12:17 Okay lovenergy... I have seen it.. can I dis it now??? P.S. I think my 11 year old could draw a better map

      Gordon - 2012-03-19 12:34

      How is this different to every claim made in every church around the world almost every day of the year? Why pick on this man?

      TheSkepticDetective - 2012-03-19 12:38

      @lovenergy, If you can't draw anything without seeing it first, then please explain this: By your logic, Cthulu exists and must be real for someone to have been able to draw him. A terrifying thought.

      lovenergy - 2012-03-19 12:50

      @skepticdetective, I didn't say that you can't draw something unless you saw it, please don't jump to conclusions...the "logic" you speak of is obviously your own because I never made those assumptions and if you misinterpreted my comment I would like to ask you to please not put words in my mouth because you misread a comment I made. I just think it's funny that people comment on half an article seeing as we saw the original article in our newspapers 2 weeks ago. I'm not religious yet I don't go into battle mode whenever religion is mentioned.

      TheSkepticDetective - 2012-03-19 12:54

      @lovenergy, You are right. I did misread your comment. Sorry.

      Skuiter - 2012-03-19 13:41

      @subgenius - if you smoke the pips, you are really hardup or stupid....smoke the stuff that grows around the pips..less sparks and more sparks if u catch my drift....

      Ari - 2012-03-19 14:56

      @Clarve, . . and Mithras, Krishna, Salivana, Osiris, Odin, Crite, Zoroaster,Baal, Indra, Bali,Jao, Wittoba, Thammuz, Atys, Xamolxis, Zoar, Adad, Deva Tat, Alcides, Mikado, Beddru, Eros and Bremrillah, Thor, Cadmus, and a few more - all born of a virgin and all died by being tied to a tree in one way or another. Oh yes, and all have some connection to December 25.

      Ari - 2012-03-19 14:57

      Hail, Eris!!

      Pdevillet - 2012-03-19 21:15

      they even believe politicians what are you expecting?never underestimate the stupidity of a population

      Peter - 2012-03-20 08:31

      Ari .... by the way .... December 25 is a human invention as a date, not a biblical fact. Go study some more before you make silly, irrelevant comments.

      Schmee - 2012-03-20 09:53

      Umm Peter, Ari is refering to the FACT that you celebrate Christmas on 25 December.

      rbphiri - 2012-03-21 11:23

      Or maybe he drank a Redbull and it gave him wings.

  • Shaun.groenewald - 2012-03-19 11:45


      Heiku - 2012-03-19 12:02


      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-03-19 12:26

      True story, bro *passes blunt*

      Skuiter - 2012-03-19 13:42

      draw all the heavens!

      daniel.pietersen - 2012-03-19 21:50

      Trolls be trollin'

      rbphiri - 2012-03-21 11:25

      More legit than our government.

  • Mpendulo - 2012-03-19 11:45

    The angel Gabriel was in his early 20's...? ROTFLMAO

      sandimzilikazi - 2012-03-20 12:05

      is he selling the map?

      rbphiri - 2012-03-21 11:26

      He has a map, but his brain cells are still lost in their own mind map

  • ClaudsClosest - 2012-03-19 11:46

    I've seen Santa Clause and all his reindeer including Rudolf, Rednosed 'n all, who fed me peanut butter cookies he kept from last Christmas. Can I get a spot in the headlines too? Where exactly do the media draw a line between fables n fairytales, and a story with some credibility?

      zaatheist - 2012-03-19 12:33

      Well they give reports on all other types of spurious religious claims (that is all religious claims) so why not this guy?

      Michael - 2012-03-19 15:24

      Perhaps the journalist sent the article to News24 instead of The Sun

      rbphiri - 2012-03-21 11:27

      We draw the line...which leads to the doors of Daily Sun

  • Morama - 2012-03-19 11:46

    I like DMX's song called "here we go again,say more S####t dog this is a different game".Singing!!!!

      msweli1 - 2012-03-19 16:09

      No its " Same old s**t dog, just a different day"

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2012-03-20 08:53

      It'ss it from the album, "It's Dark And Hell Is Hot"?

      Morama - 2012-03-20 09:32

      @Sweli1,thank's my man for correction!!!

  • Bandile - 2012-03-19 11:47

    Interesting........Sowetan interviewing mental patients.

      rbphiri - 2012-03-21 11:28

      More like Mental patients interviewing each other

  • John - 2012-03-19 11:48

    Wow, we now Google Heaven as well as Google Earth. Fantastic. P.S. Can I have a pint of what he is drinking?

      ChronicDJ - 2012-03-19 12:41

      hehehe...wonder if they'll have a street view as well?

      Sunshine - 2012-03-19 21:19

      I went to Google Maps and searched for a route from The Shire to Mordor. It recommended I catch a bus with the warning: 'One does not simply walk into Mordor'! Next time I'll try Heaven via Mandeni.

      Sean - 2012-03-20 02:02

      Tik + Google Earth takes you anywhere :)) You might loose one or two front teeth !!

  • HakeemLibala - 2012-03-19 11:48

    Mtembu yintsango yakupi Baba le uybhemayo hay ngyafuna nam...

      RealNikka - 2012-03-19 12:13

      LMAO LOL LMAO LOL ....Ngicabanga ukuthi YiWunga leh, Sengiyibheme zonke izinhlobo zentsangu..Ayikho enje lol

      JJ - 2012-03-19 12:28

      Hahaha!! It's heavenly stuff!!

  • boownz - 2012-03-19 11:48


  • phumlany.mbabela - 2012-03-19 11:48

    Hahahaha... Why people believe strange things?(Rhetoric)

  • Jayb - 2012-03-19 11:51

    Methembu next time dont buy chesp drugs

  • Bongekile - 2012-03-19 11:51


  • akho.tabata - 2012-03-19 11:51

    Bryan you sound angry, Maybe its because Gabriel didnt baptise you. The dude has a access to heaven, the least this does is reaffirm people that there is a heaven. If he goes out and tries to make money off this, then his motives will be blatant. We received our first catholic saint last week this week we have Mr Mthembu claiming his a prophet, good for him... Maybe the rapture will happen here and heaven will be on earth, on this continent like most say that this is the motherland... So this map his drawn, why dont they show it?...

      TheSkepticDetective - 2012-03-19 14:35


      Clive - 2012-03-20 12:57

      Here it is. Mind you don't get lost now :)

  • Collen Maepa - 2012-03-19 11:52

    A few weeks ago, it was about a guy who claimed to have resurrected... now this - what's with KZN?

      Trudi - 2012-03-19 15:33

      Durban poison?

      Sean - 2012-03-20 01:52

      lol @ Trudi !!

  • lovenergy - 2012-03-19 11:53

    This article was in our local newspapers 2 weeks ago...sigh

  • stampalex - 2012-03-19 11:55

    That's nice - but most people from SA won't be going there... What te brothers need is a map to the dark side (Where I understand they have cookies?)

  • winston.mullany - 2012-03-19 11:56

    This should be good! Watch this space!

  • Frauke - 2012-03-19 11:57

    Yip, just another case of sniffing to much Bistro and drinking his own bath water...

  • jcistheman - 2012-03-19 11:58

    How is this remotely newsworthy?

      Samantha - 2012-03-20 08:36

      humour for the atheist...

  • Jannie - 2012-03-19 11:59

    Sibusiso, my man! Pass on some of dat potent shayt you bin smokin, bro...

      Balan - 2012-03-19 15:18

      @ Jannie, pls don't try smoking that stuff you might end up seeing 11 hells

  • Pumlani - 2012-03-19 11:59

    And this made news because???? Seriously?

  • Abongile Mbauli - 2012-03-19 12:00

    This world is so jaded. If moses or noah showed up in modern times, I can see how they would be treated.

      Sharon - 2012-03-19 23:12

      yeah with aa - bee and all the rest they wouldnt find work

      Sean - 2012-03-20 01:52

      in other words , they wouldn`t make it !!

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-03-21 02:12

      True, Abongile. I do think that Africa should start believing in reincarnation. No heavenly pleasures unless you grow as a person, a community, and a country. Moses and Noah were treated like simpletons at that moment in History. The only reason I disregard this guy's story is because I cannot believe in a Heaven where people remain static. We are meant to grow.

  • Deon - 2012-03-19 12:00

    I told Beeld a couple of years ago about a door in my basement that leads to a portal where you can fly Pteradactyls.... should have changed my name to Sithole and gone to the Sowetan :-)

  • MGV4LIFE - 2012-03-19 12:00

    Only in KZN...

  • revaro.winkler - 2012-03-19 12:01

    he can make milions if someone buys hes story for a documant

      Skuiter - 2012-03-19 13:44

      Good lord man, learn to spell....

      Balan - 2012-03-19 15:21

      Ya elevenheaven million

      Pdevillet - 2012-03-19 21:21

      well, they still selling a book called bible since....

      Sean - 2012-03-20 01:51

      Malema bought the story !!

  • jackal666.daniel - 2012-03-19 12:02

    Give the guy a chance maybe he finally found support for Intelligent Design!!! ROFLMFAO!!!

  • bmoerane - 2012-03-19 12:03

    then if anyone says to you,'look,here is the christ or look he is not believe. for false christ and false prophets will rise and show sighns and wonderes to deceive,if possible even the elect..the bible says so (mark) :-D

      Leon - 2012-03-19 13:00

      1 Corinthians 13:7 Believeth all things.

      mandy-k1 - 2012-03-20 12:43

      @bmoerane - absolutely !!! and doesn't it also say somewhere that it is impossible to see the face of God?

  • chrisvdhh - 2012-03-19 12:03

    May I see one of the maps to confirm the location of the pub? Pretty please.

  • Mark - 2012-03-19 12:05

    Mthembu should stop munching on the wild mushrooms that grow in his area.

  • phillipgibb - 2012-03-19 12:05

    oh no. Heaven must be seriously small if he can draw a map that quickly.

      Lucia - 2012-03-20 13:34

      Dis omdat die hel so groot gaan wees dat die Hemel gaan klein wees. As ek so na hierdie gespottery op die forum kyk kan ek nie anders as om te dink "wie spot sal mee gespot word".

  • nanasei.kobbina - 2012-03-19 12:07

    I repeat, news24 why is this news? get a life, dont you have more pressing issues to report about?

  • scadoosh - 2012-03-19 12:08

    News24 really has turned into a trash rag... Report on real news please news24.. Or else create a gossip portal and post crap like this there.

  • Garth - 2012-03-19 12:10

    Anyone from Mandeni(formerly Mandini) would know where this man's delusions stem from. SAPPI pumps out foul-smelling toxic smoke 24 hours a day and pumps a vile dark effluent into the Mandeni river. He has been breathing these noxious fumes for his entire life and then, in his deliriums, fell into the river and drank some of the `black liquor' as it is known.

      scadoosh - 2012-03-19 12:20

      The steam from SAPPI is non-toxic, and neither is the waste they pump out. It does, in actual fact provide food for a wide range of creatures, and if you have ever dived near where they pump it out to see, and can brave the smell, you will see a rather rich variety of life living of the waste. Its pretty rad.

      Garth - 2012-03-19 12:55

      Who's paying you Clive? Steam? In all reality one cannot call that thick cloud of noxious smoke steam! On days when the wind is wrong for the town, it smothers the entire area in a choking cloud that burns the eyes and sears one's nose hairs before scalding one's throat and lungs. The apartheid government built the township of Sundumbilli in the direct path of the prevailing wind - they get it all the time. Steam hey? A wide range of creatures forsooth - those are called mutants!

      hilton.baartman - 2012-03-19 14:22

      Garth, I don't work for Sappi but you're so called 'facts' are so wrong it's not even funny. Yes, the smoke released contains toxins but well within limits else production would be halted. Even then, if you've ever been to Mandeni you'd know the Tugela Paper Mill (the one I think you're referring to right?) does clean up after itself. In fact, Sappi's been the most active industrial giant when it comes to cleaning up after itself. And scadoosh is probably referring to Saiccor mill which releases left over cellulose into the ocean where it sustains several organisms and has density of life around the outlet pipes.

      Garth - 2012-03-19 16:26

      Hilton - my family lived in that stinking hole for more than 20 years. So the pertinent question is, Hilton, where do your(not you're) so-called `facts' emerge from? Did you draw them from the stinking `black liquor' that sappi pumps/ed INTO the Mandini river, which flows INTO the Tugela river, which flows INTO the Indian Ocean. That river was black and foaming and stinking and very often steaming where it entered the Tugela. Or did you suck your facts from the stinking smoke from that mill, that so often smothers the town that many people suffer/ed medically for the pleasure of working in Mandeni or Isithebe. Stuff that in your ill-informed pipe and choke on the fumes, there is nothing funny about not having the facts.

  • Chris.M.Andrews - 2012-03-19 12:11

    For the religious out there - of course you know that most of the stuff that most of the biblical prophets said at the time was disregarded as false, even Jesus. Noah? Daniel? Etc Etc.. What makes this guy any different? How do you know he isn't the chosen one? Why would you believe the ramblings of men who lived so long ago, but not this guy? And out of interest - if you think he's mad - this is what you lot sound like to us rational folk..

      zaatheist - 2012-03-19 12:36


      Gareth - 2012-03-19 15:46

      exactly of the "believing", who is going to be so righteous to tell this man he is wrong?

      Pdevillet - 2012-03-19 21:28

      you have to be dead to be taken seriously so that you don't have to prove your story

      Sean - 2012-03-20 01:49

      @Chris.M.Andrews - You have a point , but this guy is just plain on tik !!

      Greg - 2012-03-20 09:19

      Chris. M. Andrews...Rational? I think Lost is a better description.

  • Charl - 2012-03-19 12:11

    The funny thing about the comments are that people don't believe this guy but they believe that women were made from the rib of a man and that a snake spoke to eve and that the world was created in 7 days, etc. That sounds far more crazy.

      Leon - 2012-03-19 13:21

      Amen Brother! The difference between belief and knowledge is the knowledge requires proof. History has told us that belief because of it's popularity has always stifled the more uncomfortable reality of knowledge. The only hope for mankind is to revere truth with the passion faith has historically commanded. If not; the different sects and denominations of faith will always have the excuse of gad to wipe each other out; even though the real and hidden cause of war is resources.

  • Carol - 2012-03-19 12:11

    yada yada yada ... no ching ching

  • Clarve - 2012-03-19 12:13

    If anyone is interested, I would like to lead a National Treasure like expedition to take this map and then go find the treasure.

      Pdevillet - 2012-03-19 21:30

      and the pub please...

  • Laurice - 2012-03-19 12:13

    0 Wow that is awesome. Did Gabriel have a Porche or Ferrari. I had an operation 2 years ago and the aneathetist was Dr. Gabriel. Hell and She also sent me on a trip.

  • Barefoot - 2012-03-19 12:13

    \sir you have you been taking your five pills as directed . . . you did what? . . . ha? . . . heaven? . . . oh i see . . . ok do you have someone at home to help you take them? 'm definitely adding two more pills!\

  • janalbert.vandenberg - 2012-03-19 12:14

    Photo of the map:

      janalbert.vandenberg - 2012-03-19 13:30

      Stories like these totally undermine those who try so very hard to convince the rest that the whole "heaven" concept is real... as in -- that these two articles/reports/posts should appear on the same day, it almost seems planned? I've always thought the most abundant things in nature are stupidity, irony and hydrogen...

      Gordon - 2012-03-19 14:42

      Looks like an acid trip on paper. The man like all "prophets" before him seems to have an over stimulated temporal lobe.

  • derrick.dawson - 2012-03-19 12:15

    Do you receive one of these maps with your ANC membership?

      David - 2012-03-19 12:25

      Wonder if Jesus was wearing his Zuma shirt?

      Clarve - 2012-03-19 13:12

      Far stretch for a joke there, dude :)

      Pdevillet - 2012-03-19 21:34

      ya ,malema have the one with the treasure map

  • Daniël - 2012-03-19 12:16

    Another pshycotic jesus freak! gieve us the GPS reading please

  • leigh.windvogel - 2012-03-19 12:17

    mmmm, nut case!!!!!!

  • Trevor - 2012-03-19 12:23

    Ya ya what's he being smokinh kzn's finest I presume

  • cecelia123 - 2012-03-19 12:23

    I am sure that he believes that his drug enduced dream was true. Seriously isn't there anything more important to report on??

  • Ann - 2012-03-19 12:24

    It's those awful fumes from SAPPI, I tell you ... enough to make anyone start hallucinating!

  • abe.taylor125 - 2012-03-19 12:26

    This is indeed how the Bible came about...remember all the apostles (Peter, Paul, John, etc) were taken up into heaven and the spent time hobnobbing with God...even Jesus spoke about coming from heaven and that he was in fact, God's son...and just like Jesus is either everything that's claimed about him or the greatest imposter that ever it is with my man Sibusiso...sure would like to see his map and read some of his writings...maybe even hitch a life next time he goes there...Viva S'bu, Viva!!!

      andre.badenhorst - 2012-03-19 12:36

      Be very carefull what you speak abe 'cause you WILL be held accountable!

      abe.taylor125 - 2012-03-19 15:13

      andre I speak facts...and fully aware of accountability...I'm just curious about who will hold me accountable...?

  • - 2012-03-19 12:27

    And that brings me to my next point, DONT DO CRACK !

  • Pierre - 2012-03-19 12:28

    I doubt one can see God and live...this is un-Biblical teaching...