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Man dies during farming protests

2012-11-14 13:45

Cape Town - A 28-year-old man died during protest action by farmworkers in Wolseley, police said on Wednesday.

Five other people were injured during the same incident. Unconfirmed reports say the man's family is blaming the incident on the police.

Police spokesperson Lieutenant Colonel Andrè Traut said the widespread unrest is affecting their response time.

The man's death will be investigated by the Independent Police Investigative Directorate (IPID).

Ongoing protests

Earlier on Wednesday, Western Cape Premier Helen Zille called for SANDF members to be called into the Hex River valley where violent protests were ongoing as police were "stretched thin".

"I have been in contact with the provincial and national police commissioners calling for the SANDF to be deployed. Police stretched thin [sic]," Zille tweeted.

According to reports on Wednesday, protests were taking place in 16 towns across the province and several workers had been arrested for public violence.

Grape harvesters in the Hex River Valley have been protesting for over a week about their wages, demanding R150 a day. Most earn between R69 and R75 a day, with R80 being the highest and only offer from farmers so far, Sapa reported.

In Piketberg, on the Cape West Coast, workers gathered outside one of the farms in the area amid a heavy police presence.

They were bussed in or arrived on foot from the surrounding farms in the area.

Comments
  • Gary.desousa7 - 2012-11-14 13:57

    So sad that people lose their lives doing things that they would normally not do,but incited by unions to riot etc. Will they now look after his family?

      annelise.venter.77 - 2012-11-14 15:08

      "they were bussed in or arrived on foot..." Who is paying for the buss? Cosato has a huge hand in this, and Tony Ehrenrecht should be charged with incitement to violence.

      jackal666.daniel - 2012-11-14 15:17

      Proper propaganda from our "dick"tator to destabilize.

      Ntshobs - 2012-11-14 15:40

      Union leaders get mandate from workers not the other way round

      p.borchard - 2012-11-14 16:33

      Hendrik Verwoerd - every farm that gets torched, is another farm where for the next couple of years THERE WILL BE NO JOBS. Are the unions going to pay these hooligans' housing, wages, keep their kids in school and fed, etc? I don't think so. But carry on, incite the arson, the attacks on people who are in their way, this pathetic tunnelvision will just put more workers on the street. You can then just blame the DA for it, or apartheid or Adam and Eve...

      shooshyu.tu - 2012-11-14 21:03

      Guess he should have thought about that before joing the mob. So stricking (if he was a farm labourer & not one of the many bussed in)for an incresae has now left his family without their breadwinner, domkop.

      JuditVictor - 2012-11-15 11:25

      The ANC I think will not stop until they have the Western Cape to themselves. One of the most beautiful places on earth and up until a few years ago pristine in all its ways. NOW it's squatter camp after squatter camp. I'm sorry for squatters but I have to wonder what gives ppl extra rights just because they have more children. That is an enigma. The fact that scientist say the earth is overpopulated, cities are becoming filthy but there's no incentive to have a child only if you can start a trust fund for him at his birth. That would make everyone prosperous and knowledgeable. But why, by becoming "the masses" through lots of child births, do the masses have all the rights?

      JuditVictor - 2012-11-15 11:27

      ... and then the "masses" want more money for the very few jobs available. How CAN there possibly be jobs for everybody and if all those many peoples should always get what they want, what is left? Don't farm workers have free housing and food in any case - I ask out of my own ignorance? Would they prefer that the farmers sells out and then they'll have to be jobless in any case? Has marxism really just taken over everywhere. What a failed system.

  • kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-14 13:58

    The protesters and strikers are going to come off second best if they continue in this way.

      bradh.quaide - 2012-11-14 16:04

      Somehow I don't think the farmers will pack up that easily, they fought for those farms with their lives for generations. This little upheaval is just a drop in the bucket compared to all the hard work that have gone into those farms for generations. Why the hell would you want farmers to pack up leave? Are you some little rich kid who can just pack his bags and jump on a jet plane? Probably a rooinek import, with no roots or history. My forefathers bled for this country, to make it productive, grow crops, build roads, and provide for all it's people. There is no way we will just pack up and leave our people to go hungry. And shame on you for wishing such a fate on our nations people!

  • antoinette.jordaan - 2012-11-14 13:59

    They're being bussed in...........who is paying for the buses? It's all good and well that they want better pay, but this is not earning them ANY sympathy from me.

      lititiah1 - 2012-11-14 14:16

      Exactly !

      pdvermaak - 2012-11-14 16:35

      ANC/COSATU rent a idiot!

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-11-15 14:29

      If it's true that they're getting R70 per day, In My Opinion that's a pretty pathetic salary. It's disgusting. Who the hell can live on that? I have a Company whereby we employ people and let me tell you we don't pay them this pittance !

  • elspeth.hassall - 2012-11-14 14:03

    This is getting out of hand! Where is the Govt? After all it is responsible for the maintenance of law and order in this country! For once, come out of the closet and face your responsiblities President Zuma et al.

      Peter - 2012-11-14 15:10

      Zuma and co are allowing this orchestrated violence to take place. Who will protect us when the 1000's go on the rampage? The army have already striked and we know where their loyalties are with the ANC and partner unions. It's too easy to strike than go out and work hard. But these idiots and liars will learn the hard way when they are on the streets and cant put food on their fat arses. Why no farm violence when ANC was in power in Westen Cape?

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-14 16:46

      Zuma's absence and silence is no coincidence. If people (all South Africans) don't start realising what is happening and read between the lines then they don't deserve to call themselves South Africans. The time for playing the naive liberal is long gone. We do not have that luxury any more. Wake up!!!!!

  • Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-11-14 14:03

    ANC & YL & FYL are stepping up threat to make Western Cape ungovernable and to destabilize the economy further? Using bussed in seasonal work "seekers" to boot! We can only wonder which youth camp they have been trained up in........... as the minister turned into a simpleton gopher messenger instead of dealing with these issues she is bound to because she instead is boosting nkandla profligacy and securing her deployed cadre position. NXA Do we need this type of trash for government?

  • julius.hond - 2012-11-14 14:07

    Its a white man, farmer from wellingtong. savages, druk n boer in n hoek en hy maak n plan. net n kwessie van tyd.

  • Strikeback - 2012-11-14 14:08

    Get rid of strikers from society. They are damaging the economy. That is when they are not killing employers and those who want to work. Report them to www.strikeback.co.za so we can assure they are never employed again.

      CapeIndependence - 2012-11-14 14:42

      Farmers must fire all foreign labour, hire locals only and then give them shares in the farms so that locals will help protect their farms.. THAT is how we will turn this around!

      Steven - 2012-11-14 15:17

      Cape I'm pretty sure that you'll find that the stone throwing, machete wielding thugs are actually locals, not foreigners.

      CapeIndependence - 2012-11-14 15:45

      @thegob - EC refugees are also foreign

  • ben.louw.5 - 2012-11-14 14:10

    ANC tactics... Hopefully the workers will realise they're just pawns in the ANC plot and that they're just cutting off their own nose to spite their face...

  • sandor.l.varga - 2012-11-14 14:12

    Bring an army with life ammunition and just start to shoot a mob !!! Tank you unions and ANC to create this chaos.

      sandor.l.varga - 2012-11-14 15:10

      Oops spelling.... Life=live. Tank=thank. Sorry for that. Anyway bring tanks too. Lol

      sandor.l.varga - 2012-11-14 15:10

      Oops spelling.... Life=live. Tank=thank. Sorry for that. Anyway bring tanks too. Lol

      sandor.l.varga - 2012-11-14 15:10

      Oops spelling.... Life=live. Tank=thank. Sorry for that. Anyway bring tanks too. Lol

      pdvermaak - 2012-11-14 16:38

      @sandor, I think we get the apoligy. BWHA HA HA.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-11-14 14:12

    And the ANC has said we will make the Western Cape ungovernable - they are on their way to success, but can they give the dismissed workers, and there are going to be thousands, food, salary and accommodation? Let us watch that space called the Western Province because promises (ANC religion) will not be met.

  • brad.ken.18 - 2012-11-14 14:13

    That thick liped bafoon, fat Malema has started this. He hinted at it during the mining strikes. And he's awfully quiet this time round!

      tony.angel.3975 - 2012-11-14 15:05

      Ja,wonder what tree he is hiding in?

  • wimpy.vanderwesthuizen - 2012-11-14 14:13

    who is paying for the busses to bring them in

      sandor.l.varga - 2012-11-14 14:33

      Well that is a tricky one.... NOT!!! F...-ing ANC and other communist organizations. On bus you can use RPG !!! Pls somebody must tell for the wermacht!!!

  • peter.kreuger.7 - 2012-11-14 14:19

    I would not like this type of violent persons working on my farm. With every dispute they will burn down something, but God forbid you fire one for whatever reason, the unions will be dancing for weeks in front of your gates.

      magatikele.magatikele - 2012-11-14 15:24

      I agree with you. The country is in trouble due to leadership and unions. We need sober minded south africans to come forward and assist this poor people. We need strong leadership.

  • willie.dique - 2012-11-14 14:19

    Discipline starts at home......Discipline is suppose to be in school.....Discipline is suppose to be in our communities. Where did all of this start?.....Mines....Truckdrivers....Farmerworkers......what next? The Government must get to the root of this OR are they busy making the country ungovernable!!!

      carol.brand.5030 - 2012-11-14 15:34

      bring back the curfews we had in the eighties that prevented persons from moving around within certain hours. where is our 'crime intelligence' squad?? how did nobody know about this?

  • daniel.rossouw1 - 2012-11-14 14:26

    So let's say the farmers increase the workers salary to R250 per day. Mark my words they will ask for more next year and go through strikes. Meanwhile thousands are laid off cause farmers can't afford them.

      morne.demeillon - 2012-11-14 15:23

      Well, the taxes that these farmers has to pay the government can then go to its workers then. Its the government that agreed on the minimum wage rate.

      daniel.rossouw1 - 2012-11-14 15:48

      Well that's the minimum wage why aren't they protesting government then? They made the rules and now they want to burn down farms.

      carol.brand.5030 - 2012-11-14 16:45

      reply to Deon You do realise these are unskilled workers with very little education. The workers also have housing on the farms? My job does not supply me with a free house. They have medical care usually at the farmers' expense and day care for their kids in some instances also. Whose fault is it that they are only qualified for this meanial work? Hello??? They punishing the wrong people. they should be kicking their own A**sses.

  • Sheilan.Clarke - 2012-11-14 14:30

    I've got a question: How will this affect our wine exports? I mean when you start off with grape vines, they take a few years to mature and bear fruit. (someone with an honest answer please comment not a village idiot who only wants to troll)

      siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-14 14:51

      true Sheilan, thats why i said though the workers have a right to strike violence and vandalism are totally unacceptable. This will result in job losses.

      Sheilan.Clarke - 2012-11-14 15:00

      Exactly Siyabonga. Then when they turn up for work, the farmer will say there is no work because of the damage done. Then they want to protest - like they're doing now - about not having a job. Ai!....

      francoisjacques.malan - 2012-11-14 15:17

      Luckily we have over 100 000 ha of vineyards in WC, the strikes are mainly in table grape producing area. Picking season is now and there is a short window period to pick grapes before it gets overripe and rots. The biggest loss is not the 30 ha, but the entire harvest that will rot on the vine! Try surviving by losing a whole year's turnover!

      Sheilan.Clarke - 2012-11-14 15:28

      Thanks Francois.

      emmerentia.jordaanchamberlain - 2012-11-14 15:38

      Precisely- their short term goals will be offset by the fact that it takes 4-6 years for the vineyards or fruit trees to get back in production if these are burnt down. So for the next 4-6 years the farmer will anyway have no ways of paying them. If it is correct that the strikers are bussed in to participate, it clearly illustrates the political motive and the short term mentality of (most) politicians. After all- they get paid -so why care?

  • mark.uys.5 - 2012-11-14 14:31

    lol...rent a crowd! good one

  • neil.louw.90 - 2012-11-14 14:39

    Shocking, worst of all is the following: most of these farms produce export grapes. They undergo very strict audits from Eurogap. These audits are there to ensure that all legal requirements are adhered to. They look at working conditions, hostels, and obviously the remuneration paid to workers. The part I don't understand is the following. Given the underlined truth about the ANC disrupting the DA governed Western Cape, did nobody, remotely informed in the ANC tell the sh*tstirrers that they are taking on a body strictly audited by non-african standards? Eurogap enforces the South African law, so, in all honesty, why not strike in front of Marius Fransman's house? It is national law the minimum wage as set by our government isn't it? These stupid stickers don't know what is going on obviously, but is getting fired up by loose ANC comments.

      emmerentia.jordaanchamberlain - 2012-11-14 15:43

      Don't know if Eurogap looks at remuneration as well. Now the whole Fair Trade concept is down the drain and imagine importers cancelling their orders for South African agricultural goods... the long term effect will be with us

  • CapeIndependence - 2012-11-14 14:40

    Time to declare the Western Cape Independent! Farmers must fire all foreign labour, hire locals only and then give them shares in the farms so that locals will help protect their farms.. THAT is how we will turn this around!

      johlog - 2012-11-14 14:59

      You must be joking. I have been to farms where there are 20 living in a house whilst only ONE is working for the farmer. The rest get their living and electricity and water for free. What more must the farmer give them? And he cannot get rid of them, ever.

      CapeIndependence - 2012-11-14 15:02

      @johlog - can't get rid of FOREIGN labour? Are you nuts?

  • christopher.miller.9041 - 2012-11-14 14:41

    I hate to see violance and protests in such a beautiful part of the world. I am from the US and got married there in wine country. However, when I read R80 per day for work, one cannot help but wonder. I think I would protest too if my wages were less then $15 per day and I had no chance of going anywhere else. Plus, at least here, people don't drink SA wine for the price (it costs more then AUS, IT, FR) they drink it for the quality, so a few more cents per bottle to pay better wages would hardly hurt sales?

      johlog - 2012-11-14 15:01

      How stupid are you? They get free housing and water and electricity. And medical help. also food parcels. Read my notes above about 20 to a house when only one works on the farm. And, excuse me, if they do not have a chance of going somewhere else, whose fault is that? The farmer's?

      christopher.miller.9041 - 2012-11-14 15:10

      I have seen the houses - JOHLOG - those are not houses. Nice try. I have been there recently - I saw how they live, how people treat them, its deplorable.

      christopher.miller.9041 - 2012-11-14 15:22

      Oh and I never blamed the farmer, but just reading the comments here it seems that everyone sees 1 side or other. Understanding each side and finding a workable solution for the long term is not in the equation I assume - lets just call people stupid and blame each other - no wonder this is a common problem in SA.

      carol.brand.5030 - 2012-11-14 16:51

      christopher they are largely unskilled and unsuitable for any other work. Where else could they house their entire extended families at the farmers' expense? i think stay out of this son, we have borne the brunt of this unintelligent and sorely lacking section of our population for far too long. Like children they burn and break without regard for the consequences!

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-14 16:57

      Christopher - explain "how people treat them". I have been on many farms and I can tell you on most farms there is an incredible bond between workers and farmers. They know they need each other, and in most cases workers are treated just like any other employees in any other business. One of the issues in this whole problem is the spreading of absolute lies (should we call them inaccuracies?), and gross exaggeration of the living and working conditions. But the final point is, this is not how one behaves when looking for a better salary/wage. Would you behave in this manner? You also seem to be very naive with regards to the politics behind this event, and believe me, it's there and it's pure evil.

      piet.snot.77964 - 2012-11-14 20:24

      Christopher - if any more was paid to the workers they would be off to the bottle stores in the region and then you would have no SA wine - they would drink it all up and not work !!

      merven.halo - 2012-11-15 07:46

      @Christopher, the majority of this grape pickers got less than grade 6, and many can not read or write. You can not demand huge salaries if you're uneducated. All they do is picking grapes. R80 don't sound like much but give 100 workers R80 a day and it cost you R8000 a day, that is R80000 for 10 days. That comes to R192000 a month (24 working days). The only time these farmers get a income is after the harvest, the rest of the year they must survive from the harvest money, then they must still keep money in the bank for the draughts, hail storms, flood etc.

  • drew.duvenhage - 2012-11-14 14:41

    R70 a day is not a living wage. Not matter where you stand on any of the other issues being mentioned here you have to agree with that. No person's hard labour is worth only 70 rand a day. Before you start saying "Ja but I only earn..." or " If they went to school and got an education..." Think about this: If farm workers earned a decent living - which means earning enough to put good food on the table, clothe their kids and send them to good schools - in the end it would benefit everyone. It's called changing things from the bottom up. It sure isn't going to change from the top down! And if you think that increasing workers salaries will kill the wine industry you're wrong. People will buy wine at whatever price. What will kill the SA wine industry is that people overseas will boycott SA wines because of how the workers are mistreated. South Africans have no idea how much concepts like "fair treatment" and "ethical employment" mean to the vast majority of Europeans and Americans who pay top dollar for our wines.

      Deon de Lange - 2012-11-14 14:59

      Fully agree. Shocking wages. And its not higher wages that threaten the industry, its outrageous gvt taxes (about 75% of the shelf price per bottle) and big companies like Game and P'nP squeezing profits.

      carol.brand.5030 - 2012-11-14 16:54

      seriously how much responsibility must the farmers take? should they dress the kids and take them to school? what about the parents who breed willy nilly without a thought for the consequences and expense of having a family. Enough with the stoopid stuff already! Nobody has ever given me anything. I work very hard for what i have and for my children's education.

      piet.snot.77964 - 2012-11-14 20:27

      Carol - agreed - look about the farms and the families - 5 or 6 kids per family and the parents are always at the bottle stores!!!!

      bambi.bisschoff - 2012-11-15 00:27

      Drew, this wages you are refering to, is not what the farmers made, it is what the farmworker's government made up. This is the South African government that decided on that wages. And who are you to talk??? What the hell did you do to the Native American Indians?????????

      Refuz2luz - 2012-11-15 12:30

      Never compare Africa to US or Europe. (1st world VS 3rd world??) Africa is a developing continent. Money has different value than in developed countries. In Sierra Leone (with no uprising or boycotts) a Soldier and Policeman earns around 400,000.00 Leones a month that is $80.00 pm and they still make a living and support their families. In Mali the average salary paid by government is around $ 200.00 a month and they also manage to survive. So R80.00 per day is after all not so bad if you compare living standards in different countries. You can’t put the blame for Africa’s inability to advance to 1 world status on the employers of the masses. The biggest single killer of prosperity in Africa is corrupt governments and until this evil is eradicated no strikes or uprisings will make any significant difference. These actions only kill the economy and result in worse conditions and less job opportunities.

  • siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-14 14:41

    its truly a shame that the strike has escalated to violence. I would call on the Western Cape goverment and residents to try all means to find a peacefull resolution.

      magatikele.magatikele - 2012-11-14 15:46

      Are u aware that the leadership of this country is not serious about the people they are claiming to represent. I said that the government has passed the sectorial determinations act. Statin that it is well forthe employees to be paid lower wages. The employee must strike against the government of the day. They must not strike against the farmers. I am still saying our country need help.

  • tolene - 2012-11-14 14:42

    I read a report that a few busses arrived in the area this morning with people from other areas. Seems the ANC is going out of its way to make the WC ungovernable.. Why dont they sweep their own front stoep before trying to sweep somewhere else. They are such jealous idiots, running scared at being shown upby a party that cares for its people

      johlog - 2012-11-14 15:03

      Remember, their IQ's are 70 and below. They can ONLY produce crime and unwanted children... nothing else.

  • marinda.hibberspretorius - 2012-11-14 14:43

    Wat `n absolute skande, ek is so siek en sat vir Suid-afrikaners wat gedryf word deur hierdie mentaliteit van GEEN respek vir `n lewe, wat dink dit is hulle reg om te moor soos hul goed dink en `n ruggraatlose regering wat sit en toe kyk.. en die onrusbarende is dat daar `n menigte massa soos Desilusionada daar buite is wat trots voel op wat aangaan, geen menslikheid what so ever, my magtag as jy probleme het gaan sit soos `n opgevoede mens om `n tafel en bespreek dit maar ek neem aan hul IK levels laat dit eenvoudig net nie toe nie, maar "nee" dit kan ons nie doen nie want die waarheid is dat dit `n politieke skuif is onder die vaandel van `n strike...

  • markblack10 - 2012-11-14 14:44

    Helen Zille there oncce again! While Zuma lives lavishly like a king. Helen Zille is the next Nelson Mandela and should be on at least one of our new notes! Injuring, murdering, rampant people... These despicable inhuman beings are lucky to even been employed. Only animals would murder. Props to the farmers for hiring animals

  • siphiwo.maurice - 2012-11-14 14:44

    The question that we may ask now, how many more must die in South African? I mean, black workers in particular. The SAPS, is stretched to the limit, trying all means to stop all protests, for how long are they going to take it? Crime is running high as well, for how long is the SAPS, going to take this, again? Not to soon, we are going to say, SA, is burning and the powers that be, are silent.

  • thaven.naidoo.3 - 2012-11-14 14:45

    Those workers are all gesuip! How much of their wages are wasted on wine. Yes, the \dop\ system.

      johlog - 2012-11-14 15:07

      There is no dop system at all. I lived on a wine farm 41 years ago and there was no dop system then. This is all a lie told by the ANC to the outside world. The workers take every sent they earn, go to the nearest town and by cheap alcohol. ANYTHING they can lay their hands on. I know farmers who feed the children daily whilst the wife and husband lie drunk on the road. Go and look for yourself. See what the towns look like, especially on Saturdays. They have no pride. They cannot look after themselves and don't care. They produce only unwanted children.

      lee.ferreira - 2012-11-14 15:19

      No dop system, has been gone many a year!!

      coral.soar.9 - 2012-11-14 22:51

      AND AGAIN KENSONG!!! SHUT IT...YOU'RE A FIRST CLASS IDIOT...

  • christopher.m.lowe - 2012-11-14 14:46

    The first death. Well it had to happen. Now will the SAPS please close down this stupid lark, arrest the gang leaders and thugs including the ANC and Coasatu who are behind this) and send the ANC agitators back to where they come from, ie across the WP border? Oh and tell Ehrenreich that he was elected to work for the people of cape Town in the City Council, not to go waltzing around the province as a rabble rouser in chief.

      johlog - 2012-11-14 15:07

      Thank you.

  • holly.berrimanholder - 2012-11-14 14:47

    Typically the ignorant blame the farmers, BLAME YOUR GOVERNMENT, they are the ones who determined the farm workers minimum wage!!! Farmers and workers are getting killed...government must take responsibility.

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-11-14 14:56

      Isaac, haven't connected the dots yet I see. The farmers are paying according to the suggested price by National Dept. Labour. Now, have a look and report back to me who is in charge of that Department. Then go one further and see who that Minister is reporting to. After that, come back and tell us what party does the big boss, to whom the Minister of Labour reports to, belong.

  • rob.thompsett.9 - 2012-11-14 14:47

    The more Zuma simpson carries on the lunacy path the stronger the DA will become YAAYYYYYYYYY

      siyabonga.phungula1 - 2012-11-14 20:43

      zuma has 1.2 million behind him and the no. is growing.

  • john.p.smit1 - 2012-11-14 14:48

    Again,after reading most of the comments,it looks like a black and white thing.Lets tackle the issuse and leave race out of the equation.Look at both sides and make an informed comment.

      johlog - 2012-11-14 15:09

      It is a black and white thing. Always was... always will be.

  • vic.carrots - 2012-11-14 14:53

    Everytime Zille is requesting SANDF to intervene, she gets negative response from SAPS's head including the state's head. This time will not be different. WHY? Is it because ANC doesn't want to admit that they can't govern this country? On the other hand - it is very sad and disgusting that the same strikers from all sectors will still vote for this ANC.

  • marc.felix.94 - 2012-11-14 14:53

    burn farm crops today, cry over bread prices tomorrow!!

      magatikele.magatikele - 2012-11-14 15:53

      Thanks. I hope they are listening.

  • KennySven - 2012-11-14 14:59

    Throw stones,block our roads,start fires,exterminate the trash. If it acts like a Bafoon,it is a Bafoon,Shoot the Vermin,or are Bafoons a protected species in the new South Africa?

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-11-14 15:01

    No matter what the grievance is, destroying property and murdering people is not allowed. SHOOT!!!!!!

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-11-14 15:02

    The same time this is happening the ANC is pushing through a law or 2, well planned ANC. The country needs another politian that can unite us or at least to tolerate each other.

      magatikele.magatikele - 2012-11-14 15:56

      Good point. The country is leaderless as former president mbeki has said.

  • richard.bernardo.982 - 2012-11-14 15:19

    Johlog - I never said it was the DA fault, I was highlighting the dynamics of opposition politics in South Africa. Maybe a bit out of your league to grasp for now...

      tony.angel.3975 - 2012-11-14 15:24

      Then what now richard?

  • richard.bernardo.982 - 2012-11-14 15:38

    Some would say - "the liberation of this country was achieved through the arm struggle i.e. the barrel of gun" do you for one instant think the ANC would relinquish power through the ballot box? Whether it is the DA or any other party opposing for that matter. The election of 1994 was merely a formality required by the world to legitimize "democracy" in South Africa.

  • matshane.seleko - 2012-11-14 15:40

    I can only hope that the powers that be are not playing the 'let's wait and see' card here,because if the ensuing social unrest spins out of control,everybody will be a loser.And there are those people who make reckless statements(perhaps to score political points),inciting even more violence as they do so.They know they have bodyguards to negotiate bullets,knobkerries,pangas,spears,you name it,on their behalf.

  • louis.hansen.56 - 2012-11-14 15:57

    tyd vir die boere om gereg in eie hande te neem. verdedig jul self - polisie kan nie "byhou" en die pres slaap, die defence force hoor jy nie van nie. dus moet die boere nou 'n roer trek en jou landgoed en familie beveilig. ook moet jul soedoende die ekonomie reg hou. waar dink hul kom die geld vandaan (uitvoere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) as hul die plase afbrand - waar werk hul dan more?????????

      drew.duvenhage - 2012-11-14 16:33

      Why would you want to work for R70 a day? Maybe it would be better for the boere to leave and for someone else to come up with a better and more fair way of treating the people who keep their farms going and put food on their tables and pay for their 4x4s and overseas trips and private schools for their kids - and I don't mean the ANC, they clearly have only one idea for how to divide the wealth and that is into their own pockets.

      natanya.skea - 2012-11-14 21:34

      Atleast they have a freaken job!!! Its recession and not a lot of jobs out there! PLUS they get housing FOR FREE!! So to burn a farmers crops is simmply not the answer! If you want to strike do it, but don't freaken damage property and livelyhood! As vir die boere, ek dink aan julle en alle sterkte. Hierdie land is besig om sy gat te sien!

      bambi.bisschoff - 2012-11-15 00:44

      Drew, you clearly have no freakin idea what's going on in South Africa. Don't comment about stuff you don't know sheeeeet about!! Concentrate on how you can treat the American Indians better.

      junior.mahlo.9 - 2012-11-15 11:28

      Pig

  • bernard.vanrensburg - 2012-11-14 16:10

    I strongly doubt that the Unions are behind this. Julius is adamant on starting a revolution. These protests are not about money. They are about land and access to mineral resources. Incapacitate and then take over. If this goes on, we could soon go into a full scale civil war. The fact that our president is building himself a fortress should say everything.

  • hendrik.verwoerd.94 - 2012-11-14 16:27

    joke

      raymond.buis.3 - 2012-11-14 16:33

      You are a joke you f***ing child. Hiding behind a fake name. Might as well hide under your mother's skirt , oh wait sorry I forgot your mother spends most of her time on her back getting plowed for fifty rand a shot. Personally I would not pay 2c for that old used up hag.

  • sean.kedian - 2012-11-14 16:48

    Question. Doesnt pelting policemen with stones count as assault on a police officer? And why is nothing being done about it? I mean if I walked into my local charge office and bliksemd a policeman, I would be arrested and jailed

  • mart.botha - 2012-11-14 16:50

    Note to SAPS and SANDF. You are allowing these mutants to burn and destroy assets that I have helped to pay for. You now have my full permission to load up with that live ammunition that I helped to pay for....and take back control of our streets and countryside. Any protestor who fails to heed your call to cease and desist with his destructive behaviour shall forthwith be known as an enemy of the state and must be treated as a national security risk. Their human rights are hereby suspended if they have gathered in a group of more than 10 people.

      drew.duvenhage - 2012-11-14 17:15

      What about their human right to a decent living wage?

  • steven.m.armour - 2012-11-14 19:38

    Country busy sinking into anarchy.......

  • piet.snot.77964 - 2012-11-14 20:32

    I suggest that these violent mob members think back to these days after the next floods/fires or natural disasters that may befall them in the future - there may not be so many open hearted donors of blankets and food etc

  • anelia.heese - 2012-11-14 20:39

    Can we please get clarity from the media whether it actually FARM WORKERS who are protesting? And if it's not FARM WORKERS protesting, can they please stop making the heading "Man dies during FARMING PROTEST"? Independent media, please don't fail us in this dire hour.

  • vjs.house - 2012-11-14 22:19

    Dus so maklik, verhoog die salarisse, wyn se pryse styg, verkope daal, want wyn kan in gevoer word!!! Mense word afgedank, dus neem werkloosheid toe!!! boer verloor sy plaas, en nou is almal werkloos!!! Besef mense dat die land is in'n ressie!!! en lewenskoste styg net!! Die gemiddelde persoon se skuld is reeds 76 % uit elke R100.00 Miskien lê die antwoord in die groote van huisgesinne wat die regering weier om aan te spreek!!!! As ek R 3600 per maand verdien en het 'n familie van 6 = dan is daar vir elke persoon net R600.00, as ons 4 persone is R 900.00 per soon!!! Maar die regering deel uit Child welfare, wat groter huisgesinne aanmoedig- ipv om aan te wend in opvoeding!!! "moenie 'n vis uitdeel nie, leer die kind om vis te vang!!!! Dan kan hy hom bemark, en hy verstaan wat produktiwiteit is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • coral.soar.9 - 2012-11-14 22:36

    I think we should go into their townships and start burning down their damn houses....What the hell is wrong with these people??????

      bambi.bisschoff - 2012-11-15 00:47

      Brilliant idea. An eye for an eye.

  • bambi.bisschoff - 2012-11-15 00:40

    This is what's going to happen...the farm workers are NOT going to get an increased wage, for the farmer won't be able to afford it. The workers burned the wheat and who knows what other crops down. That crops was the only income to pay them. What's going to happen, no crops, no income, loss of farm, loss of job, the increase of unemployment in South Africa, increase of crime rate. The government made the choice of minimal wage, so the workers shouldn't harm the farmers, they should go and "dance" at the expensive homes of their leaders. Are the government going to take care of the worker and his 6-7 children?? Providing a home with food? I don't think so. This is not the farmer's fault. All this trouble points to the rotten government.

      drew.duvenhage - 2012-11-15 10:44

      I agree with you bambi. It is the government's fault. And who votes for the government? Un-educated, poor people who think that they will get a better life by voting ANC. If the farmers actually started educating their employees, paying them a living wage, making them feel as if they actually had a stake in the success of the country I can assure you they would start seeing through the one way street policies of the ANC government. There is no law that says you have to pay people the minimum wage. Farmers can actually pay more than that if they want to. P.S I am not sure what you think I have to do with the USA or the native Americans. I mentioned the USA as an example of a country which imports our wines.

      bambi.bisschoff - 2012-11-15 23:14

      I understand how you think, but listen to this. A farm worker doesn't only receive a minimal wage. They get free housing, free water, free electricity. They earn a weekly milk and meat ration. They earn a weekly ratio of maize, sugar, soap, the basic needs. Then some farmers actually give them extra in terms of clothes, harvest, fruits, over time, bonus. Then I'm not even talking about the times the farmer have to rush a worker's sick child to a hospital at any time of the day/night. Nobody sees the extras! They only see wages. A worker never have to pay rent to stay on a farm. No worker pays any electricity or water bill. The farmer does. The take and take, and want only more and more. Now they burn their only income, what's going to happen??? The farmer is going to loose everything, and the worker has no income at all. What are they going to do??? So before any wages are increased, look for a minute what the farmer already gave them on a daily basis.