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Man fired for 'Modimolle Monster' comment

2012-12-01 12:46

Johannesburg - An estate agent was dismissed after he praised alleged "Modimolle Monster" Johan Kotze, on social media network Facebook, it was reported on Saturday.

George Stegmann from Bloemfontein, Free State, was dismissed from Aida on Wednesday when a newspaper reported on the comments he posted on Facebook, the Beeld reported.

Stegmann apparently wrote: "You women think you can get away with almost anything and taunt your husbands. There are still a lot of white Johan Kotze's walking around that are creative. I said that girl was looking for trouble.

"May poor Johan Kotze not take back the boobs he paid for when other men are playing with them. Well done Johan, I am glad that there are men that do not sit with their hands in their pockets and watch." Shortly after the post, Stegmann said he was joking.

On Friday, he told the newspaper that reported his posts that he "could not believe people thought he meant what he said."
"It caused a lot of damage. I will just have to find another job. All that is bad, is my two children," he told Beeld.
Stegmann did not contest his dismissal.

Kotze, Andries Sithole, Pieta Mohlane, and Frans Mphaka are accused of murdering Kotze's 19-year-old stepson Conrad Bonette at Kotze's house in Modimolle on January 3 this year.

They are also accused of kidnapping, severely assaulting, repeatedly raping, and attempting to murder Kotze's former wife earlier that day.

The matter was postponed and would resume on February 4, 2013.

Comments
  • meyer.schoeman - 2012-12-01 12:51

    Idiot

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-12-01 13:36

      This is the same level of brainlessness as making a joke about having a bomb at an airport...

      selma.botha.9 - 2012-12-01 15:50

      http://www.newint.org/features/1990/10/05/hate/

      hentie.devries - 2012-12-02 10:21

      In what context was this meant as a joke? Even if I try to put me in his place, there is nothing funny or sarcastic about it. It reads like a statement, not a joke. This guy just showed his true colours. Women beware.

      Piete Koo - 2013-04-15 12:16

      I agree with meagain.

  • paul.prinsloo3 - 2012-12-01 12:58

    let Kotzé off on a tripple life sentence and have Stegmann hung in public by the ANC - or any other body of female leagues or organised NGO's (Die Vroue Landbou-Unie comes to mind).

  • grace.murindiwachisimba - 2012-12-01 13:11

    Pathetic blood agent.! Look your smelly and big mouth has cost you the job. Why you didn't learn from Malema?

  • lbrandcarstens - 2012-12-01 13:13

    Seriously, he thought it good to post such Irresponsible utterance on facebook, and he has 2 children? what an example of a dad.

  • johan.kruger.39 - 2012-12-01 13:19

    Does Aida employ people with such low IQ???

      bless.boswell - 2012-12-01 19:51

      At least they did something about it.

  • johan.kruger.39 - 2012-12-01 13:22

    I suppose Aida is deleting my comments..."Does Aida employ people with such a low IQ??"

      PointBlank - 2012-12-01 14:11

      no but you must have if you want to try bring aida into this

      stella.hlophe - 2012-12-01 16:09

      No, AIDA fires people with low IQs. Don't bother applying.

  • douglas.hollis.7 - 2012-12-01 13:23

    Unbelievable. They walk among us.

      Desilusionada - 2012-12-01 13:34

      Right you are. Changed my belief frame. About the aliens that is....

      bless.boswell - 2012-12-01 19:52

      And they breed ...

  • siphom.mnguni - 2012-12-01 13:27

    When I read his comment I couldn't believe anyone could just condone such cruel, inhumane and degrading act ever visited on a fellow human being by a psychopath. In fact if he was working for me I wouldn't have hesitated to fire him on the spot. To vividly exhibit his twisted logic he says he was joking. You have a nerve, sir. I hope none of your two children are female and if both are just pray that something worst never happen to them. You are a pathetic excuse for a human-being. I hope you never got employed for the rest of your miserable life. I feel pity for your family to have such kind of a member.

      cathy.dejongh.5 - 2012-12-01 13:47

      I agree Siphom, also, the most terrifying thought about this man is that I know someone like him, and the fact of the matter is that people like him eventually do act out their thoughts - at some point in his life he will lose the plot and damage or kill another human being. These people do not deserve to live. Life for anyone near him becomes a miserable existence lived on the edge of pure terror.

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-12-01 14:51

      @Cathy.dejongh...you cannot believe me when I say the moment I read his comment for the first time in News24 before it became viral as of now I was lacking words to respond and out of anger I shed some tears. I could not imagined that happening to my only daughter or to my late mother. Worst of all he coaxed her son and killed him in another room while his mother was gagged and gang-raped on the other room. What kind of a human-being would joke about that? What happened to divorce when you no longer want each other?

      cathy.dejongh.5 - 2012-12-01 15:53

      It's so awful there are actually no words to express the feelings properly.

      bless.boswell - 2012-12-01 19:56

      Siphom, I think it all comes down to his ego. He was feeling bad because she had rejected him and probably could not come to terms with it. Instead of moving on, he wreaked as much damage as he could - with tragic results. My hope is that she is able to deal with this and start a new life. She deserves better.

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-12-01 20:18

      @bless.boswell:)I understand your point, but my point is they were estranged already when he saw her kissing with another man. Even if they were still together that does not justify mutilating her, setting his labourers to gang-raped her and what is worse calling her son in order to kill him in the same house where his mother was being tortured and humiliated. We all have suffered disappointment in life.

  • dragonfire47 - 2012-12-01 13:38

    what a moron, hand him over to a gang of big lezzies, they will sort the sicko out

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-12-01 13:46

    let's see how he likes unemployment

  • delish7564 - 2012-12-01 13:50

    Serves him right! You can't go around posting comments like that, then say you were joking, especially not on a public forum. There is NO justification for what Kotze did to Ina........does this idiot know what went on between the couple, was he there during their marriage? As a woman I, and I'm sure other women, find his comments offensive and he was naive in the extreme if he thought people would not think he was being serious. That's the problem with social media, people think they can post comments then deny responsibility when they cause trouble. If there is the slightest doubt, don't post, it's as simple as that!

  • keba.mothoagae - 2012-12-01 13:52

    That will teach the trolls on social networks! Many people are ruining their own lives in trying to draw sadistic pleasure from the pain of others. Even if you hide behind a fake avatar or profile, it's still very easy to track you down in this small world of ours. Can this guy actually explain logically why he got fired, other than for no good reason than being an idiot?

  • enock.tumisang - 2012-12-01 13:53

    There's always an element of insanity amongst people! How can he utter words like this especially on social medium! Having tough in a relationship is not justified by killing. Reason behind was to get attention or what?

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-12-01 14:02

    All and well but to take the man's job is just not fair to his dependants!

      morwen.fourie - 2012-12-01 15:30

      Do you think he should be allowed to HAVE dependants? Jeeeeesh!

      Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-12-01 16:25

      Morwen - love your comment. My answer to your Question is NO. He should not even be allowed a pet rat.

      kgomotso.mukwevho - 2012-12-01 19:14

      He was supposed to think of his dependants before he published his stupid opinion

      theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-12-01 21:54

      He has two children you guys don't even read till the end of the article... you all can hate all you want! Taking his job isn't punishing him but his children. So if you like that then your just as saddistic as kotze... an opinion should cost your job... no matter how cruel...

      miandra.vanzyl - 2012-12-02 06:41

      I'm sorry for his children for having a dad like this, as his comment shows that deep inside him is a monster! Somewhere, somehow this monster will come out and his words will become his actions! Then they will have a father in prison! Go and read his comments again, saying there are more men who feels like Kotze. This is scary stuff!!

      Gail Hayes-Bean - 2013-04-15 21:49

      DM - to think of his remark as a joke shows he has a poor IQ AND EQ and I most certainly would not want him selling my house! It sounds as though he is also estranged from his wife and family and extremely angry and bitter. This is not going to improve how he feels and one hopes he is not ever allowed anywhere near his wife and family either. Yes it is terrible that now he is unable to support them and may become one of the unemployed multitude but he deserves it. Morwen he already has dependents!

  • Bob - 2012-12-01 14:16

    While I certainly don't condone what Kotze did (infact he deserves what he inevitably gets in prison) or Stegmann's stance on the matter, the trend of punishing people for expressing their opinions is rather unconstitutional. It's especially ridiculous when your employer may punish you for what you do in your private life when you are not representing the company. It'd be interesting to know what the exact grounds for dismissal were.

      bibi.vanzyl - 2012-12-01 14:28

      Everywhere else in the world prospective employers will look at all your social media sites before they employ you - just like they would look at your criminal records. You might be friends or like a militant organisation on your FB or be a twitter follower of some terrorist. Social media sites are not private at all - they are all out there on the www.

      Bob - 2012-12-01 14:40

      That's true Bibi, but we are reaching a point where an employer practically owns you and your opinions - both during working hours and in your private life. It's a scary prospect. That's why it's better to stay anonymous on the net since the smallest thing can ultimately bring you down in the future.

      yolanda.bezuidenhoutfraser - 2012-12-01 15:59

      One might have a right to freedom of speech, however if that freedom of speech condone abuse, victimization, assault, the constitution will not bail you out. Unfortunately employees is representing the employer at all times for as long as they paying your salary. Facebook is not private. It is a public domain where customers and service providers can have access. Thus your actions like this type puts the company's name in disrepute. In severe cases dismissal the first time is not uncommon.

      Antipoaching - 2012-12-01 21:33

      I agree totally To all those applauding his dismissal, if your employer fires you for bashing the ANC or JZ or the DA or HZ on News24 are you going to view that as ok? His comments were appalling, disgusting and sick but I dont believe an employer should have the right to fire you for them..

      Ross Macduff - 2013-04-15 15:58

      Yes Stegmann has the right to freedom of expression, which includes ;freedom of the press and other media; freedom to receive or impart information or ideas; freedom of artistic creativity; and academic freedom and freedom of scientific research. This right does not include propaganda for war; incitement of imminent violence; or advocacy of hatred that is based on race, ethnicity, gender or religion, and that constitutes incitement to cause harm. So his comment is more then enough grounds for dismissal.

      Gail Hayes-Bean - 2013-04-15 21:55

      He was probably not very good at selling houses if he was sitting writing that kind of thing on a social network anyway. This man was a representative of a nationwide company which handles property sales which gives him access to women on their own especially. He chose a very public forum and he got what he deserved. The company could claim that his actions could lose them money or that there were women working for the company who were placed at risk.

  • obadia.segwape - 2012-12-01 14:25

    everybody has thier own opinion BUT..

  • maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-12-01 14:33

    Numskull! what could you have been thinking, you actually condone these barbaric acts. You can't take back a statement like this said in jest or not

  • Annelize Buitendach-Roesch - 2012-12-01 14:33

    Stegman, that is no joke! You are simply a shame to man kind. If my daughter was married to you and my grandchildren had to look up to you, I would personally took them away from you. You condone being a monster! Shame on you.

      hendrik.pienaar - 2012-12-01 15:33

      Some people just have really really stupid sense of humors Annelize. The guy made a mistake yes, but he didn't kill anybody.

      Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-12-01 16:15

      Yeah, not yet! with a mind like that, its just a matter of time. Thumbs up to Aida.

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-12-01 16:17

      Apart from undergoing the worst humiliation ever she heard her son begging for mercy which fell on deaf ears of the psychopath who shot him three times. Such a waste of young man's life who had just completed his first year at the university, yet someone find joke in that.

  • leoni - 2012-12-01 15:02

    Jou verdiende loon! Jy het duidelik geen respek vir vroue nie! Hoop jou vrou los jou as sy dit nog nie gedoen het nie!

  • mummy.dearest.9 - 2012-12-01 15:17

    So he actually posted on news24 and it showed on his fb page because he had to use it to make a comment. The headline should actually be that he was fired after a comment on news24. Still, his actions cannot be condoned. Glad he lost his job.

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-12-01 16:11

      I would have fired him too. And I would have gone to the highest court in the land to fight his re-instatement. He deserves the worst ever punitive sunction.

  • gwilym.howes - 2012-12-01 15:19

    I don't agree with him or his comments, BUT he is entitled to his opinion, and I do not believe Aida or any other employer has the right to even comment on what he says on his own private FB page. Definitley infringing on his right to free speech. Apply the PRINCIPLE, people, this is about freedom, not whether you like what he says or not.

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-12-01 15:55

      Reality, however is that there is no such thing as privacy on the internet. The sooner people realize this the better. You cannot hide which sites you visit and what you say can and will become public... Watch what you do and say on FB.

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-12-01 16:07

      No right in law is absolute, every is subject to limitation. He cannot spew nonsense in the name of freedom of expression. Even the lady who experienced the worst atrocity ever imagined by civilised society has rights too. How can a decent human ever condone that in the name of just joking? How is that funny?

      bibi.vanzyl - 2012-12-01 16:41

      @gwilym: Everywhere else in the world prospective employers will look at all your social media sites before they employ you - just like they would look at your criminal records. You might be friends or like a militant organisation on your FB or be a twitter follower of some terrorist. Social media sites are not private at all - they are all out there on the www.

      John - 2012-12-01 17:54

      Yes, apply the principle no matter how much you hate the action.

      John - 2012-12-01 17:54

      Yes, apply the principle no matter how much you hate the action.

      joshua.mcallister.75 - 2012-12-01 18:59

      There is nothing private about social media! As someone commented, Not a member of MENSA

      Gail Hayes-Bean - 2013-04-15 22:08

      There is a precedent in law set recently in South Africa that you may not say things which incite hatred against others. If Aida sanctioned or ignored this many people would think twice about using them to sell property. In addition to this we have laws against hate speech in this country - see Malema as an example. Perhaps he should have been given a disciplinary hearing and told to go for anger management counselling rather than firing him but the woman and man in the street are tired of haters who act out their anger publically. The time has come to draw the line and stand up for common decency. Aida has done that. Hats off to them for taking a principled stand. Stegmann made himself a victim not Aida.

  • sandy.kroukamp - 2012-12-01 15:19

    Take whats due to you..........scum..

  • karen.seeger.564 - 2012-12-01 15:37

    Horrid, horrid man!

  • louiza.frohlich - 2012-12-01 15:44

    I sincerely hope this man has a daughter who can understand how her own father thinks. Utterly disgusting !!!

      Gail Hayes-Bean - 2013-04-15 22:11

      Actually I hope he doesn't have daughters although one dreads what any sons of his will grow up to be.

  • yolanda.bezuidenhoutfraser - 2012-12-01 15:53

    According to labour practice world wide, employers has the right to take action. Its a public domain and not a private domain. As an employee you are representing your company. Him being in a very public position where a business is dependent on the public view, no employer can afford to be seeing not taking action. This employees action in labour law is called putting the company's name in disrepute. Condoning such brutal acts on a public site is very worrying. By saying afterwards it was a joke.. you can't un ring the bell. And in this country we striving against the abuse of women and children. So Mr X Employee, don't say my poor 2 children...you alone messed this up.

      Lerato JT Mabitsela - 2012-12-01 16:44

      Thanks Yolanda. I couldn't have said it better myself. He deserved it all!

      bibi.vanzyl - 2012-12-01 16:47

      I agree 100%

  • selma.botha.9 - 2012-12-01 15:58

    Not a member of Mensa.

  • mashavha - 2012-12-01 16:15

    Malema!!!!verbal diarrhea at its best

  • andre.potgieter.5 - 2012-12-01 16:20

    I would like to know, On what grounds was Stegmann dismissed? Did he write on Aidas wall? I woulsd like to see this guy go to the CCMA and challenge his dismissal. I do not praise his comments, but I look at it from another perspective!

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-12-01 16:44

      @Andre.potgieter5:)the Hawks just recently suspended Colonel Mackintosh Polela for the comment he posted on his Twitter account about Jub Jub, the convicted infamous drag-racer. He is on suspension as we speak. No right in the Constitution is absolute. All rights are subject to section 36(2) of the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa,1996. He abused his right of freedom of expression. And above all AIDA has to protect it's image and it's future clients. Losing and agent means nothing than losing future clients.

      bibi.vanzyl - 2012-12-01 16:51

      Social pages like FB and twitter are actually NOT private at all. Emloyers have the right these days to check out these pages and overseas they will check it out, just like your criminal record before they employ you. Think about it would you employ someone who likes kiddie porn on his FB or follow a terrorist on Twitter.

      oceanmaosh.mphahlele - 2012-12-01 16:57

      @Sipho,gud1 bra...surely u in de justice departmnt of de governmnt for such perspectve lol...,I again praise ur commnt man, Ola...

      John - 2012-12-01 17:44

      Siphom. Do you know what absolute means? Look up derogable. What law under section 36 has been passed limiting the right of freedom of expression? NONE! Every right is absolute until you INFRINGE the RIGHTS of others which they have the right to DEFEND.

      yolanda.bezuidenhoutfraser - 2012-12-01 17:49

      If you put your company's name in disrepute, they can take action. He is not the first nor the last that will be fired due to comments on a public forum. It does not mean because the pafe in your name, it's private. The moment the whole world can read your comments... Well twitter, facebook and all public/electronic forums is public domaign. Thus if you do or say something that brings the company's name in disrepute, you fried. Another thing, the constitution protects the freedom of speech, however once you agree, aprove or incite abuse towards women and childre, other men, animals...you don't have a constitutional right to protect you. In actual fact, the victim in the case can now seu his behind.

      miandra.vanzyl - 2012-12-01 22:01

      Andre potgieter excuse me but there is no way that I as woman would support agency or this estate agent if he thought Kotze acts were the right thing to do. Chauvinistic pig, words like those of Stegman is like emotional torture to women!!!

  • annelise.vanderschyff - 2012-12-01 16:23

    This man is sick!!!let's cut his penis off!!!!!

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-12-01 16:29

    Cutting someone's penis off? Then your just as sick!

  • nvblerk - 2012-12-01 19:18

    wow so this guy got fired for commenting on this Dragon!!! well done for his Boss! Can all the Bosses learn from this from this experience!!

  • miandra.vanzyl - 2012-12-01 22:13

    I'm very scared of men like you! Your words become your actions! I won't allow my daughters close to you. Sicker as sick as a woman's son died because of Kotze! Senseless Pig!!! I bet your wife divorced you... She better be scared of you!

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-12-02 06:00

      @miandra.vanzyl:)I share your sentiment, my sister. When the Constitution expressly provides for the freedom and security of the person, and categorically declared that nobody must be subjected to torture someone condones the worst form of torture administered to a fellow human. If he was no longer happy with her divorce was the option not to humiliation and torture and worst killing her son, yet somebody condones that. When he got caught says he was joking. Was or is funny what happened?

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-12-01 22:17

    Niemand dink aan die man se kinders nie...

      leoni - 2012-12-02 09:02

      Hy moes in die eerste plek self aan hulle gedink het!

      JanGrimbeek - 2012-12-02 09:11

      If you want to troll on the news sites just to be funny and to raise other news readers temperatures by letting out a lot of crap, this is what you should get. I hope some other trolls here would think twice now befor typing crap just for attention !

      yvette.kroukamp - 2012-12-15 03:00

      Nog minder die arme kinders se eie Pa. What an idiot!!

      yvette.kroukamp - 2012-12-16 21:06

      Nog minder die arme kinders se eie Pa. What an idiot!!

      Belinda Oberholster - 2013-04-15 15:50

      Hy het beslis ook nie aan sy kids gedink nie, sy vroutjie moes al gehol het indien nie, hoop ek sy sien wat voorlĂȘ!!!

  • thabo.shaku - 2012-12-02 00:12

    Domkop!

  • william.pienaar.58 - 2012-12-02 10:59

    Ongevoelige idioot.

  • erena.slabbert - 2012-12-02 19:11

    If I was this persons wife I would run.

  • debby.biccardopperman - 2012-12-15 06:43

    SPEACHLESS!!

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