Man shot dead in police custody

2012-02-20 07:44

Johannesburg - The death of a Boksburg man in police custody is being investigated by the Independent Complaints Directorate, the ICD confirmed on Monday.

ICD spokesperson Moses Dlamini said a death in police custody and death by police action were being investigated by the directorate. The ICD took over the investigation from police on Sunday.

"There are two sides to every story, our job is justice. We must hear the side of the police too before we can make recommendations to the prosecutor," he said.

Nightclub raid

"I can confirm there was a shooting in the early hours of Sunday morning and a man died," he said.

Beeld reported that Rean Ramdin, 29, died after he was shot by a policeman after being arrested during a raid at Presley's nightclub in Boksburg.

In an interview with his family, it emerged that his cousins were with him when he was arrested. They took the keys for the bakkie he had borrowed from his father.

According to the newspaper, his cousins told the family that shots were fired on the corner of Rietfontein and Rondebult Road en route to the police station.

The report said he was handcuffed when he was shot.

Warning shots fired

Ramdin's sister Melody Perumal told the Beeld that the family had been told by police that her brother wanted to escape and warning shots were fired. This was when he was wounded and died.

Perumal said the family had searched for Ramdin after he failed to return home. They identified his body at the Springs mortuary.

"He always had his driver's licence with him. The police knew who he was but they made no effort to inform his family of the circumstances surrounding his death," she was quoted saying.

Last week 16-year-old Thato Mokoka was shot dead, allegedly by a policeman. A 41-year-old student police constable will appear in the Roodepoort Magistrate's Court in connection with the murder on Monday.

  • qcoelho - 2012-02-20 07:55

    Eish!! The wheels are falling off! R.I.P Ramdin!

      Thelma - 2012-02-20 08:27

      The wheels fell off a long time ago. South Africa has become a police state and the ANC government is too scared to act against the police force in fear of been exposed to all the fraud and corruption. Condolences to the family!

      procold2 - 2012-02-20 08:40

      two sides to a story but that was the comment last week with the teenager in soweto and the outcome was a trigger happy student policeman,

      Sharon - 2012-02-20 09:15

      He was apparently arrested for drug possession. Hardly a dangerous criminal, by SA standards. It seems the death penalty is back, after all.

      Janice - 2012-02-20 09:21

      Very bad police wotk, I think...

      J.d - 2012-02-20 09:29

      You know these days one is more scared of police than criminals

      Merven - 2012-02-20 09:34

      @J.d. There is a difference?

      janine.cronje - 2012-02-20 09:56

      I wonder if he was also shot in the back....

      Lloyd - 2012-02-20 15:05

      See the link below for more information on Rean which this article does not tell you.

  • Shaun Robinson - 2012-02-20 07:57

    Now the police are sitting with a mouth full of teeth.

      yolie.Landa - 2012-02-20 09:32

      I wonder y didnt they aim for the leg if he was running. He'd be alive now

  • Francois Petzer - 2012-02-20 08:02

    yeah well with 90pcnt of the police force too fat or too lazy to give chase on foot,its easier too shoot and kill handcuffed people. . . . .SAPiggyD

      George - 2012-02-20 08:59

      Francois well said i just thought as well how fast can you run if you are handcuffed. Your body will not be able to pick up momemtum as you need your arms to do so. even the greatest athletes cannot run when they are cuffed. It is a shame I just do not know how many people still have to die in the hands of the cops. What danger was he to the cops he was apparently caught with drugs. He was no violent criminal and even if he tried to escape the cops could have cuaght him. The warning shots could of been either shots that missed or it could have been shots that were fired after the man was shot. I for one do not believe that there were any warning shots and if there are theu should be fired into the ground and if so they are traceble. The cops can not even drive properly how can they shoot properly. Get them before a court cuff them tell them to run and let them die the same way as this person did.

      Francois Petzer - 2012-02-20 09:32

      i couldnt agree more George,as the 15yr old in soweto,layn on his stomach facing the ground,then some piggy pumps him in the back with an r5 5times WTF!! Its really rediculous,il rather take my chance with criminals atleast you have a chance to get away or to defend yourself,with the cops youre guaranteed a bodybag.

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-02-20 09:58

      And he 'tried to escape'. Rubbish, horse manure. This is again a case of a trigger happy pig. They deserve to be called pigs.

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-02-20 10:03

      Read the article on IOL. Much better reporting. BTW, as per IOL. *Rules on deadly force The use of deadly force by the police is controlled by section 49 of the Criminal Procedure Act. According to the act, police can shoot: * To kill only if their life or those of others are in danger. * If a crime is in progress and there is no other way of stopping its progression. * If someone who is escaping arrest is likely to seriously harm others. - The Star

      George - 2012-02-20 10:11

      Francois what is starnge is that they say the cops raided the club. What is unclear is how many cops were involved in the raid since he was shot on the way to the police station. I assume this was a police van he was transported in. How could he possibly escape if he was cuffed at the back of the van. I am just thinking if they did not cuff him after they shot him. Today you can expect anything from the cops.Was this so called raid in conjunction with Senior police officers as we were taught when we were there in service. Also Presley's is full , or almost full , every weekend and what is the chances that if there were a legal raid that he was the only one caught with the substance. Rubbish man they are murderers and should be treated accordingly. They should not be tried because when they are sentenced they will develop chronic kidney failure and will be out on medical parole raiding clubs again. Are there any witnesses in this matter except the policeman that was driving with the other cop at the time. This is very strange indeed.

      George - 2012-02-20 10:15

      Also how do you shoot a 15yaer old with a R5 , 5 times whilst your boot is on his back. With this uniform you get a very bad attitude as well. the cops used to be the pride of the country but these days they are the wosrt of the country. There are still some good cops out there but the best have left ages ago as they do not want to be part of this current reputation.

  • Perfume - 2012-02-20 08:03

    These cops must be thugs taken off the streets, trained for 1 month, given a gun and told to follow Bheki Cele's command "Shoot to kill". Condolences to his family.

  • Mhlophe - 2012-02-20 08:03

    Now in addition to the crime we have to worry about the police.

      Facts - 2012-02-20 09:36

      You are so right Mhlophe. What will be next?

  • Ben - 2012-02-20 08:04

    'Two sides to a story' is the only bit that should be taken at face value at this stage.

      Getafix - 2012-02-20 08:42

      One side of this story is pretty much dead.

  • Larry - 2012-02-20 08:05

    This is getting scary now.

  • Cathy - 2012-02-20 08:09

    How are we supposed to trust and respect our police force? They seem to be a law unto themselves these days with more corruption in their ranks than honesty. I watched a programme on the statistics of crime amongst the force last night and it was shocking. Never mind the fact that most of the police are not even able to take a simple statement. I experienced this first hand when a drunk driver drove through my boundary wall. Three police vans arrived on the scene and not one of the officers could write the report. Again when I had my handbag snatched and went to the police station to report it, the officer could not write the report. It takes 3 times as long to lodge a complaint because you have to spell everything for the officers and then they still get it wrong. And before anyone pulls out the race card, the officers concerned were both black and white so there is no race distinction when it comes to them being unqualified!!!

      Marcell - 2012-02-20 09:17

      Trust them at your own peril. They came to inspect my gunsafe. A week later they came back and broke it out of the wall, just to find it empty.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-20 10:01

      You are so right. At the weekend I thought of threatening someone with the phrase.."leave my property now or I will call the police." I didnt because I knew the trespasser would just laugh in my face. With hindsight perhaps I should that when he went weak with uncontrollable laughter and doubled up, I would have been in a position to push him off my property

      reza.daniels1 - 2012-02-20 10:43

      Ha! I had the same experience. Went to file an accident report. The completed report described a completely different accident. Spelling and grammar was Grade 4 level....the officer refused to correct it....FACT. That is besides the fact that the police station was in complete darkness when I got there at 8pm except for the light coming from a television set in a back room where they were ALL watching a local football match.... I wish I was kidding.....honestly how can I respect them if they don't even have any self respect?

  • Shaun Robinson - 2012-02-20 08:18

    I called 10111 on Saturday because my next door neighbour was hitting his wife. They responded a whole two and a half hours later. By that time the damage had been done.

      John - 2012-02-20 08:37

      You should call them and explained that she was handcuffed and waits to be shooted. Joke aside, Shaun...thats pathetic

      Marcell - 2012-02-20 09:18

      Don't ever interfere in 'huis moles'. It can only get you killed.

      reza.daniels1 - 2012-02-20 10:56

      Ha! My neighbour called 10111 last night because he saw 3 teenagers smoking pot on a veld nearby and then accosted one of the neighbour's children in the street. The cops arrived about an hour later - ofcourse the culprits were gone. I asked one of the officers what I should do in such a case. He said " Call the police. We do not want people taking the law into their own hands or the suspects opening cases of assault against you. I mean WTF? How we supposed to clean up our neighbourhood or protect our kids? The SAPS is worse than useless.

  • Ryno Britz - 2012-02-20 08:27

    If some of the cops want to be like cowboys, then give them taser guns at least this way everyone has a chance to tell BOTH SIDES of the story!!!

  • Travers - 2012-02-20 08:27

    a concern and not fair

  • Kevin Nicklin - 2012-02-20 08:29

    And so the saga continues. Cops continue brutalizing civilians. What do the leaders have to say about this....... We still wait for their comment!!!

  • Lwazi Fana Mlungwana - 2012-02-20 08:29

    How can you shoot someboy who is handcuffed, police are lazy to chase now

      Perfume - 2012-02-20 12:01

      Have you seen the size of the majority in the police force :)

  • inwardk - 2012-02-20 08:34

    Very very very disappointing. The ANC were so critical of the old "regime" and deaths in detention. Now this is happening on their watch. Not cool at all.

      Pierre - 2012-02-20 08:56

      Unfortunately your statement is correct. It is very disappointing. I normally defend the government where I think they are unjustly accused, however police brutality is a problem, and for quite a while now. While police crimes committed under the previous government are being confessed to at the TRC, the current police force do the same things.

  • Thoka - 2012-02-20 08:39

    I rest my case...

  • ludlowdj - 2012-02-20 08:40

    Welcome to the new Zimbabwe, We have long predicted that South Africa will descend into an ungovernable civil war phase where government military and police face off against the citizens of this country. Our own "african spring" is just around the corner.

      Marcell - 2012-02-20 09:20

      Some choose not to listen.

  • Keabetswe Prince Mathabathe - 2012-02-20 08:42

    dis is worse dan police brutality. Cele is 2 B blamed 4 all dat's happenin he is de 1 who came with de shoot 2 kill concept & nw these cops jst shoot 2 kill de innocent.

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-02-20 10:19

      The shoot to kill mentality IS something he started but surely the police have done form of intelligence to tell the difference between a threat and a non threat? A young man in the ground, unarmed, hands above his head is NO threat! A man handcuffed, non threatening shot in the back?? WTF?? If he ran you chase after him you don't shoot the Oke in the back FFS!! Idiots!

  • Paul - 2012-02-20 08:44

    the police the gangsters

  • Nicholas - 2012-02-20 08:46

    a warning shot ... in the back.

  • Ian - 2012-02-20 08:47

    That is what happens when police officers are not longer required to have a matric. Post 94 all you needed was a grade 7 but now all one needs is a black skin

      Kgolane - 2012-02-20 10:36

      @Ian...Iv got a great idea, why doesnt the SAPS fire all the policemen without a matric qualification....that would definatly solve all our crime, corruption problems !!!!

  • Mhlonso - 2012-02-20 08:50

    What do i do if a policeman stops me??? 1. Stop and lie face down?? (i will get shot like the the kid from Soweto) 2. Run?? (I will get shot like this fella). 3. Co-operate?? ( They will take my credit card and buy McDs like that Rugby player from PTA). 4. Get a court order from the court to prevent the police from killing me? (the KwaMaphumulo taxi boss Bongani Mkhize, killed on February 3 2009 on Umgeni road after he took out an interdict in a bid to prevent police killing him). What do i do????????????

      Irene - 2012-02-20 09:04

      Don't vote for the ANC.

      Perfume - 2012-02-20 09:15

      Tough questions asked Mhlonso

      Cindy - 2012-02-20 09:33

      shoot first? uuuuuhm, no, then you're a cop killer and the full might of the Force will hunt you down and kill you... Guess we're left with Regime Change as a solution then

      Bill - 2012-02-20 09:52

      Option 3. seems about right, Mhlonso:)Best to give them cash; might save the CC...btw. how much should we keep on hand for a big Mac?

      Kgolane - 2012-02-20 10:23

      @Irene... this is not the lets blame ANC discussion, im sure there will be one of those later in the week. Please be patient...

      Irene - 2012-02-20 10:29

      Kgolane ~ Actually it is a 'let's blame the ANC' discussion. Who do you think the uneducated, thug police force take their instructions from?

      Pierre - 2012-02-20 10:45

      @ Irene - I agree police brutality is a problem (as said earlier), but the DA is not doing much about it either, as are all the other political parties. Don't just blame the ANC, blame the DA and all the other political parties.

      Kgolane - 2012-02-20 11:26

      @Irene ... U seem to be one of those people who love to compare ANC's term in government to the "Good ol dayz" if there was no poor delivery service ,tender corruption, uneducated Thug police and financial mismanagement during the Apartheid governments reign. Police Shot 100's of people in the back in Sharpville and Soweto did ur father tell u that about the "Good ol dayz ???

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-02-20 11:31

      Irene u are stupid!!!!

      Wt - 2012-02-20 14:27

      stay out of trouble?

  • ludlowdj - 2012-02-20 09:04

    The police force is little more than government thugs, this trend will continue and escalate until there is open hostility between the police and the citizens of this country.

      Cindy - 2012-02-20 09:36

      which will allow the Regime to pass harsh Apartheid style Laws to "stabilise" the situation and the ruling elite to legislatively entrench themselves in power....... will also open the door for a "suspension" of Constitutional Rights...

  • mikeangell61 - 2012-02-20 09:15

    I have known Rian & his family for a long time & hope justice is done as he was a great young man.RIP Rian.

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-02-20 10:09

      @MArcell, I am sorry to say, but this is about the only option. It is a sad day indeed...

      Wt - 2012-02-20 14:30

      If you knew him so well, why do you misspell his name or did News 24?

  • Handre - 2012-02-20 09:24

    Handcuffed and shot while in transit? Come on, what is the other side of the story!

      Thelma - 2012-02-20 09:26

      The other side to the story is dead and the police made sure of that to cover up their brutality.

      janine.cronje - 2012-02-20 10:04

      Hope there were witnesses

      JohhnyBGood - 2012-02-20 10:10

      So they opened the door for him, kicked him out and then shot him. Since when do the police car doors open from inside? Thought they used child locks when transporting 'crims' to prevent this sort of thing ?

  • Paul - 2012-02-20 09:49

    This is tragic... makes me wonder what the point of such strict gun control in South Africa actually is,criminals thrive and have a field day with an arms cache of their choice and certain Police officers gun down a teenager in one case highlighted here under suspicion of him being in possesion of an illegal firearm and the adult gunned down while handcuffed for "escaping"... And the SAPS actually have the right to influence decisions on who is granted licenses for firearms...

  • Shamiela - 2012-02-20 09:59

    Oh noooo..... this needs to come to an end. It is clear that we have corrupt cops and it's no suprise as we recruit gangsters to become cops!!! Mr Dlamini said "There are two sides to every story, our job is justice. We must hear the side of the police too before we can make recommendations to the prosecutor," he said. Rean Ramdin was shot while in handcuffs errr... what could the other side of the story possibly be? was he David Copperfield or something? The teenager that was shot was lying on his staomach with his hands on his head!!!! These cops needs to be prosecuted WE DONT WANT TO HEAR THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STORY!!!!!!!!!

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-02-20 10:02

    this stuff is actually scary...

  • Kgolane - 2012-02-20 10:19

    This is not that complicated - What is the protocol to follow when an "unarmed" suspect attempts to escape from police custody ? Should he be chased down and captured, or be shot in the back ?....what does the rule book say?

      Thelma - 2012-02-20 10:31

      We all know it is not "shoot to kill" unless the officer's life is in danger and clearly his life was not in danger as the suspect was handcuffed. Also how did the suspect escape if he was handcuffed. Was the door opened for him?

  • BassmasterSA - 2012-02-20 10:36

    How do you end up in Springs when you are shot and killed in Boksburg? The cops in this country are getting as bad as the criminals; in fact I am not sure which is worse? They have a licence to kill it seems. Enough said. My condolences to the family of the deceased.

  • Lelo - 2012-02-20 10:39

    This country is twisted!Corrupt policemen, corrupt government and an alarming number of criminals.Sad thing is that our government will not do a damn thing to reprimand these murdering cops... R.I.P Ramdin

  • Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-02-20 10:53

    So as a woman, if they try to pull me over(I won't stop cos I don't trust them) they are going to shoot at my car until I do or kill me in the process and even if I drove to a police station and jumped out to run inside to "so called" safety, there's a very high chance I'll get shot in the back, running for my life..

  • Russan - 2012-02-20 10:58

    Y'll got it all wrong. Its not the crimanals we are afriad of, its the LEGALISED ANC THEIVES that want us afriad, the cops(pigs) are making sure that we understand that NOBODY steals from THEIR DRUG TRADE !!!

  • Reggie - 2012-02-20 11:02

    Shooting a hancuffed,unarmed suspect in the back. The policeman had 2 legs, a car to chase & catch him. He could have also shot in in the legs !!! Sounds like lazy FAT cops that should be charged with 1st degree murder. This guy was a drug user mand not a dealer. Give me a break.

      antoinette.jordaan - 2012-02-20 15:09

      I guess you're assuming they can hit the target they aim at? Perhaps they were actually aiming at the ground and got it wrong? If they can't read or write, what's the chances they can aim? Apart from the fact that nobody's clear how this poor guy "escaped".....

  • Dianne - 2012-02-20 11:06

    This is disgusting and getting worse by the day and we all know that nothing will be done about the crime and the decay and the rotten apples that infest the barrel. Rean Ramdin RIP.

  • OhbiZz - 2012-02-20 11:12

    Ok there's 2 sides to every story... and you must hear the side of the police. Where will u get the version of the deceased's story?

  • Kevin - 2012-02-20 11:23

    I agree that the police all have 2 legs and 2 arms and should use minimum force to contain/capture a criminal. If he/she is wearing handcuffs, what is minimum force??? But knowing our fat, lazy untrained and inefficent "Phatboys in Blue" the culprit probably tripped and fell while trying to draw his firearm from under roll no. 2 on his tummy and the weapon discharged accidently, hitting the slow-running suspect by mistake. After all, who ever heard of a post-1994 policemen who could shoot straight - unless the target was lying handcuffed on the floor in front of him.

  • Samantha - 2012-02-20 12:31

    I have seen first hand how the police members are trained today, and how they were trained 22 years ago. Trust me, with our new "members" your chances are better to run, where as if it's an "old" police member, you are in no danger at all, they know when to react and when not, so if you see a student constable (two yellow stripes on the shoulder" I suggest you just try get away" Sad but true.

  • Frank - 2012-02-20 12:44

    He was handcuffed shackled and tied to a tree, he then became a threat so they shot him. Well done the SAP, you must maintain law and order, no matter the cost to inocent civilians.Im sure the General was there to make sure the job was done in the usual efficient manner.

  • reynard.j.debeer - 2012-02-20 13:25

    R.I.P and may your family be helped by higher powers to deal with this in your life! Our thoughts are with you from Safrican Brother to Brother, Sista to Sista... May Justice take its place! God bless Africa Raise high its glory Hear our prayers God bless us, her children God, we ask You to protect our nation Intervene and end all conflicts Protect us, protect our nation, our nation, South Africa — South Africa. Ringing out from our blue heavens, From our deep seas breaking round, Over our everlasting mountains, Where the echoing crags resound, Sounds the call to come together, And united we shall stand, Let us live and strive for freedom In South Africa our land.

  • Mpho - 2012-02-20 13:45

    lets value life please...for God's sake the poor man was not even's the culture that was planted by the suspended commissiner because he is totally clueless on dealing with criminals...he only wants force to be exerted.

  • lsooknunan - 2012-02-20 13:50

    This is truly unfair and disgusting of the polices behaviours and their lack of knowledge.All these cops want to do is shoot and ask questions later...we as family need closure of what happened moments before Rean could be taken away from us.... RIP love you

      Sally Lewitt - 2012-02-21 00:42

      I am SO sorry for yours and your family's loss! Such a waste of life.. May you find closer and may the "murderers" PAY for thid heinous crime.. God be with you

  • lucas.coetzer - 2012-02-20 13:54

    Flippen Mother F'''ers. Police are getting out of hand now. Shooting people at random for nothing, or do they get a kick out of murdering people for nothing, But the worst part of it all is that they get away with it as well. Nothing is getting done with these rogue police men. Public must take justice into their own hands and get rid of these f''ers

  • Tian - 2012-02-20 14:56

    They had his vehicle registration and driver's license. They could trace him even if he ran away. There was no need to shoot him. This is murder.

  • Samantha Cloete - 2012-02-21 09:17

    It is inexcusable having killed him this way, how useless must u have been 2 not be able to hav run after him? Being a friend of Reans I know the type of person he was,irrespective of his transgressions he never deserved his fate, all who knew him loved him, he was an amazing person, we are all saddened @ da loss of our friend,brother,son and relative he was taken far 2 soon in a disgusting manner,it saddens me 2 see some peoples comments, this was someones, son,brother and friend, he could hav been ur brother or son...You are the same as da murderer who killed him!RIP REAN, we luv u so much, ur memory lives on!!!

  • Shiley Mcpherson - 2012-02-21 21:13

    Quite frankly I think its extremely unfair for you all to be judging this policeman like this!!! I know him personally and know for a fact that this man is one of the most loving caring people you'll ever meet! He always has been 100 percent dedicated to his job, and at the end of the day that's all that he was doing! People in this country constantly complain when SAP don't do their job, and now in this case when they do, everyone is up in arms! Its very unfortunate that a life was lost and I send my condolences to the family

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