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Mandela beat apartheid 'demon': Clinton

2013-07-18 22:01

New York - Nelson Mandela feared and hated his apartheid jailers when he left prison but overcoming that "demon" is a sign of his greatness, former US president Bill Clinton said on Thursday.

Clinton, UN leader Ban Ki-moon and Andrew Mlangeni, who was a prisoner alongside Mandela, honoured Mandela in a special ceremony at the UN headquarters as Madiba spent his 95th birthday in hospital.

Clinton said Mandela ended his 27 years in an apartheid jail "a greater man than he went in" but also told how the ordeal had left its mark on the legendary figure.

"Every day was a struggle...I could see it in his eyes even after he became president.

"Some old demon would rise up and somebody or say something stupid, but he fought it every day," Clinton said at the UN General Assembly.

Clinton told how he had raised with Mandela his walk to freedom from the jail along a dirt road and how he had been a "canny politician" inviting his jailer to his inauguration and bringing white opposition parties into his government.

Embraces

"Tell me the truth: when you were walking down the road that last time didn't you hate them," Clinton said he questioned Mandela.

"He said briefly: 'I did. I am old enough to tell the truth.' He said: 'I felt hatred and fear but I said to myself, if you hate them when you get in that car you will still be their prisoner. I wanted to be free and so I let it go.'

"He said: 'People can take everything from you. I lost my family, the chance to see my children grow up, the best years of my life. They can take everything except your mind and your heart...those things I decided not to give away. He looked at me and smiled and said: neither should you.

That is a lesson that every human being on earth had better learn sooner or later. The grace of it embraces every friend that he had."

Ban said the world was united in praying for Mandela in hospital.

"We are united in concern.

"We're also joined in admiration for a towering figure in the worldwide fight for equality and justice," the UN secretary general told the ceremony.


Comments
  • Antonio Bandarass - 2013-07-18 22:20

    OK! now lets works & leave the past and the dead.

      TumsDown - 2013-07-19 06:29

      Wish the racist pigs would free themselves. Many still stuck in the dark ages.

      SoutieTwo - 2013-07-19 07:15

      TumsDown, which racist pigs are you writing about? Oh yes! it must be the whites because blacks cannot be racist.

      Peter Fraser - 2013-07-19 07:22

      When the truth hurts...the moderators delete the comment. Just shows that we have not grown since 1994.

      Stefan Van Der Spuy - 2013-07-19 08:24

      @Leonard. What you said about Mandela so true. And what you say about the ANC today.

      mapepaki - 2013-07-19 08:40

      Clinton see what you've done you old jaded man, why don't you curl up and go away.

      Angela Banda - 2013-07-19 09:17

      Mandela did well to walk out without hate . He indeed is a freeman . And look now who is in bondage , those people who don't even want to face the demon and what it did . They feel hatred for those who hail freedom fighters . Amazing

      Sean Dugmore - 2013-07-19 09:22

      for god sake...this man was spent 27 years in jail rightly/wrongly..he had a right to be pissed, the fact that he moved beyond that, precipitated a peaceful regime change, made conciliatory gestures like keeping the springbok emblem, world cup presence etc etc ...few people with that kind of humility, honesty and sense of public service that are able to make a difference and not become tainted by fraud, maladministration etc....just give the man a thumbs up !!!

      Flown Riva - 2013-07-19 10:01

      I'm sure that Mandela is glad to see how his children and grandchildren are benefiting from apartheid !

  • BrandonFaber - 2013-07-18 22:31

    I dig the old man but lets not forget. FW beat the demon. Madiba led us into the light.

      Mandla Sipho - 2013-07-18 23:20

      Don't lie... It wasn't out of the goodness of his heart. He had to... Otherwise....

      Hector1331 - 2013-07-18 23:45

      Mandla, otherwise what?

      Hector1331 - 2013-07-18 23:47

      Mandla, need I remind you about the 1992 referendum where majority of whites voted for the scrapping of Apartheid.

      Phindani Mreiks Zethi - 2013-07-19 00:22

      @brandon, who you think you fooling?

      Billy Bob - 2013-07-19 06:22

      here we go again, you cant erase what happened. in 1992 majority whites voted AGAINST apartheid. it was something FW put in motion. you are just hating because he is white, am i right? all this shows is your deep underlying racist hatred for the white man, the white man cant do good in your books, especially an old white man. well done to NM for leading the right path after he was set free. and NM is a smart man, you do not declare war against a group that has weapons 100 more advanced than you. yes it would of been a bloodbath, similar to a river we know about... tbh, i couldnt care less who made this all happen, im just glad its gone.

      TumsDown - 2013-07-19 06:31

      Everyone talks about the referendum where whites voted for talks with the ANC. But they don't talk about all those decades where they loved and voted for apartheid. It's as if apartheid never happened. Sadly, it's going to take a party like the EFF to remind them.

      SoutieTwo - 2013-07-19 07:21

      TumsDown, be careful, you may get what you wish for. Malema would be a disaster if he got in a position of power. He would do what everyone is hailing Mandela as Saint for NOT doing - destroying the country.

      Victor van der Walt - 2013-07-19 08:07

      It was whites that set them free De Clerk , Madiba led the way .

      Titus Madiba - 2013-07-19 08:28

      Apartheid government were crippling the economy with major sanctions against them from the UN. they had to give inti apartheid don't fool yourselfs. Chris Hani who would've been the first president of SA had other ideas, then the apartheid government had to assassinate him. FW my *ss he didn't even deserve that Nobel Prize!

      Lynda Miracle Masuku - 2013-07-19 08:33

      Theodore you are spot on!

      Angela Banda - 2013-07-19 09:20

      Shame , u can't cheat the world on this one heee , they know who exactly fought the demon .

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-07-19 09:50

      Billy Bob. The world had De Klerk on his knees, he had no choice, Would he have done so if the world condoned apartheid?. I don't think so.

      Scouter Four-One - 2013-07-19 10:46

      @Mandla - well said, one of the more erudite comments on this thread.

      Motlalepula Matshwe - 2013-07-19 17:00

      hate to burst your bubble...fw never faced the demon,he upheld it until they were cornered and crippled by sanctions,maybe he also did history and knew that the french revolution was won by the will and numbers

  • Nazeefa Abdulkader - 2013-07-18 22:32

    Very Sad news. We love you Madiba. They might have taken away years of your life but not your spirit. Madiba magic lives on!

  • Morgan Mboy Sekgobela - 2013-07-18 22:34

    Dr Nelson Mandela is a brave man who is lifeless,sharing and full of huminity.No 1 wl be stand by his work 2 the R.S.A.And the world as a whole.

      SoutieTwo - 2013-07-19 07:23

      Sorry, Mr Sekgobela, Mandela is not lifeless yet.

      Lynda Miracle Masuku - 2013-07-19 08:34

      He wanted to say selfless perhaps?

  • Lungelo Nsibande - 2013-07-18 22:35

    That's Madiba we knows! He taught us to forgive but never forget. He united us all! Viva comrade Bill.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-07-19 09:56

      Lungelo Nsibande. He may have taught you to forgive but never forget. He didn't teach you that not forgetting means continuing blaming the whites and apartheid. He meant don't forget history, but build the future.

  • Sadrick Lottering - 2013-07-18 22:37

    Speak Clinton speak!!!! Even way above the god of the demon... That's how superior the human heart is. Human Goodness.

  • Sello Papo - 2013-07-18 22:37

    let m say its honour nd priviledge to hear such great leaders sayin we ar united in prayer for madiba as he lay in hospital spendin his 95th birthday. It proves tht God is existin nd in control nd ppl ar realisin tht. Ps 14 says a fool in his heart wil say there is no God now leaders nd politician claimin tht there is God. We unite in prayer.

      Phindani Mreiks Zethi - 2013-07-19 00:18

      Do we really need a prove?

  • Mkhululi Yekani - 2013-07-18 22:51

    My heart bleeds to see SA going down lyk this no more peace but selfish leaders.

      Jomo Kgomo - 2013-07-18 23:12

      Peace, what peace when there is so much hatred from every angle? You are not serious.

      Mpata Molefi - 2013-07-19 06:07

      wt evr u say nd wt evr u knw nd wt evr u do,die or lve Tata Madiba Mandela Rolihlahla Nelson its a king of our nation

  • Jerry Medina - 2013-07-18 23:14

    The terrorist State of Apartheid never existed and life was much better than now.

      Nthokolose Puleng Marope - 2013-07-19 00:31

      For you.

      Thabo Masaswivona Rossouw Shabangu - 2013-07-19 06:22

      Much better for whites, not us.

      Derrick Benny - 2013-07-19 08:24

      if u don't want to accept what's happening here, u know where ur original from, so the airport is 24/7 open.

      Gert Van Wyk - 2013-07-19 08:55

      Wonder which is worse ??? Apartheid or corrupt government

      DeAndre Sosa - 2013-07-19 09:28

      Duhhh Apartheid is worse, I would rather have a Corrupt Government than to lose my human dignity.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-07-19 10:00

      Jerry Medina. For whom was life much better then?.

      Jomo Kgomo - 2013-07-19 12:31

      Medina - Absolute nonsense.

  • Igshaan Cornelius - 2013-07-18 23:24

    Everything is useless what the struggle wasfor now look at the followers worse of then any probly in modern day history

  • John Tex - 2013-07-18 23:51

    This is all bull s.....t

      Nthokolose Puleng Marope - 2013-07-19 05:47

      To you neh not in the eyes of the world.

      Derrick Benny - 2013-07-19 08:19

      another useless stupid, lol like it or not but there is nothing u can do about it, u 'BIG PINK PIG'

  • Sydney Myzer Mokgotho - 2013-07-18 23:56

    Even though #Happy-Birth-Day Madiba ur role wil always keeps de page full.

  • Benjamin Moody - 2013-07-19 01:04

    Oh do shut up you cigar loving philanderer!

  • Matome Lucky - 2013-07-19 01:41

    Imagine how would South Africa have been if Mandela was not the perfect epitomy of reconciliation. Africans were burning inside with fierce spirit of vengeance. Thanks to God for giving us somebody like Madiba. We wish him speedy recovery

      Mantoa Elizabeth - 2013-07-19 05:23

      we are free now in this country because of him,he has nearly spent the rest of his life in prison for us no wonder he so sick,we wish God to give him more 27yrs to live bt again we know its impossible!

  • Awonke Eagan Mdazuka - 2013-07-19 02:44

    yhooo ha.a i heard in enough of mandela dis .mandela dat...yes i know what he did we appriciate..bt rubbing it in every year, its irritating ...(is he stil alive? )

      Agree Zakhele - 2013-07-19 06:17

      yebo mandela do dat r dats but hey u a free today becoz of him

      Nkululeko Madi - 2013-07-19 07:55

      Last time i checked this is News24>South Africa not Nigeria. Go protect oil Nigerial needs u asswipe

      Derrick Benny - 2013-07-19 08:11

      if u don't have anything to say (Mdazuka) just shut ur ass, idiot.

  • Awonke Eagan Mdazuka - 2013-07-19 03:05

    mandela is not all d goody goody we think he is....the is alot of bad and dirty things he did dat is not being said abt him...bt wait until he dies d truth will come out

      Mantoa Elizabeth - 2013-07-19 05:13

      everyone has made mistakes in the past that wont be forgiven,but as for him at least something good came out of it!

      Nthokolose Puleng Marope - 2013-07-19 05:45

      To most people he is a goody goody so let us celebrate him while we can and while he is still alive, we don't need your negative thoughts, please go back to your Nigeria with your weak mentality.

      Lwandile Mabusela - 2013-07-19 06:14

      Mandela has never said he is innocent. He on manny occassions said that He is not a saint. So what are u on about?

      Bheki Dladla - 2013-07-19 09:14

      Awonke, let me start by saying i do not even like your name. if you know the bad that he has done why dont you then bring us to the "light" that you have and we South Africans will tell you all the good that he has done. you says things as if you are a saint yourself well let me ask you this, what good have you done?????? I think he has done more good than he has done bad. you do not know the pain he had to suffer just so some of us can have a better life black or white. he has a great heart and you dont. and all those who will thumbs down me.

  • Gerhard Esterhuizen - 2013-07-19 03:29

    Haha yes thank him

  • Danie - 2013-07-19 04:26

    Its just sorry he could not beat the black African manage country daemon? Was the second class vote less life of the average African in apartheid times worst than , the first class with vote black African life in nearly all of Africa South of the Sahara during that time? If life in SA was worst , why did black people left their friends , family to come volantary, and work in SA ( thousands in SA mines)? Study in apartheid SA ( MEDUNSA the largest medical university in Africa only allowing non white students & other SA universities )? Obtain treatment inapartheid hospitals ( Red Cross children s hospital had many African from Africa patients? Apartheid waswwrong, but was it worst for people than the average black managed Africa country was?

      Mlamleli Mshengu Skonxa - 2013-07-19 05:26

      Do you really think apartheid was good for black people?

      Nthokolose Puleng Marope - 2013-07-19 05:42

      Danie what's your point really?

      Mohoi Ratsaka - 2013-07-19 06:45

      Danie's point people is that Apartheid was justified. What this man misses is that those "African miners" fled their beloved "COLONISED countries", from a frying pan right into the devil's red flames, hence the "beat apartheid demon chant" by Hon. Clinton.

      Karabo Ntisa Matsabisa - 2013-07-19 08:41

      Shame Danie,I refuse to blame clever white people for a few of your kind,for the sake of very good white men and women out there I would say Oom Danie come and live with us in SA forget about apartheid because it won't come back,there's a lot of Afrikaners who have moved on and are enjoying life instead of thinking about how best they could have been during apartheid because that's what you are thinking.watch the springboks against newzealand,or the proteas against australia and enjoy yourself my man

      Solo Mathe - 2013-07-19 09:51

      Danie, please think before you post,...

      Motlalepula Matshwe - 2013-07-19 16:31

      and please Danie rather use your own language i know you got 1st class afrikaans education during apartheid and even though your role models tried to destroy our languages and didnt recognise them we did not return the favour

      Andreas Meyer - 2013-08-16 18:04

      Yes, Mlamleli, by all objective standards. Or why do you think millions of Blacks came to 'Apartheid' South Africa.

  • Piet Boerie - 2013-07-19 04:47

    George Bush Snr's big buddy and a regular attendee of the Bilderberg group talking about the fight. What would this spineless silver spoon idiot know about struggle or work. He is part of the world agenda and would have droned Mandela if it was his time in office. No folks this man is vermin along with his wife as they push the agenda that looks to enslave all of us. Conspiracy theory well so was the spying and recording of your emails till Snowden let it out of the bag. Yep the tin foil nutters said they can connect direct to your computer via a Windows key and that they read your e-mails and now we see that there is even some fact behind population control. Mandela and Clinton in the same sentence does not work.

      Adeeb Saban - 2013-07-19 07:25

      Agreed

  • Hennie Steyn - 2013-07-19 05:59

    Yes Clinton, but he NEVER denounced violence! How do you like the country today?

      Mohoi Ratsaka - 2013-07-19 06:29

      I really don't think this country is violent! I mean I can walk everywhere without fear of a landmine, or a lunatic suicide bomber, or some crazy-ass hilly-billy eating me alive! Crime is a problem, but it's all over the world

      Franky Mark - 2013-07-19 15:10

      No Mohoi - crime is all over the world, but extremely violent is out of control in SA. It is easy to do a little research -just wiki it, if crime was an Olympic sport we would have gotten gold for murder, rape, hi-jacking, cash in transit heists and assault. Silver for fraud and family violence. I have worked in a war zone (Kosovo) with fear of landmines - I have traveled extensively and I can honestly tell you you don't have any idea how peaceful life could be if you don't fear for your family's safety and the protection of your property until you have tasted it. (And Police that actually come as quick as you call them.) Every time i get back in South Africa I realize how much fence and burglar bars there is in a residential area - like little prisons - not keeping anyone in but the criminals out.

  • Elie Disipi - 2013-07-19 06:01

    Madiba will remain great as aways...

  • Deon Meiring - 2013-07-19 06:26

    It is just sad that we still have apartheid. Just turnd around, and SA did not go forward in the past 20 yrs? Wow

      TumsDown - 2013-07-19 06:33

      Hahaha. You don't see us spitting on your kids every day do you? Then you haven't experienced apartheid yet.

      clayton.delport - 2013-07-19 06:53

      @tumsdown your nothing more than a worthless piece of garbage! Calling people racist names and threatening violence only proves the point that your a uneducated criminal that will probably necklace your own mother for her tekkies....

      Victor van der Walt - 2013-07-19 08:15

      @tumsdown you are a waste of oxygen, you the biggest racist here. Get a education as you are to stupid to comment on others.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-07-19 10:16

      TumsDown. I can remember, in the 'good' old days, a white neighbour beating a black child for stealing a peach from his tree. Nothing done about it of course. Maybe your memory is as good as mine is and not everyone is comfortable with that. The thumbs down will be from those uncomfortable with the truth.

  • Oliver Pikhart - 2013-07-19 06:50

    No violence ??? In this country are you blind ??

  • Carling Blacklabel - 2013-07-19 06:52

    @varkie, i think alberts trying to attract the news 24 troll brigade for investment, or possibly to join his/her brothel

  • Thulasizwe Khumalo - 2013-07-19 06:55

    Phambili babuMandela. Ngifisa sengathi ungalulama.

  • SoutieTwo - 2013-07-19 07:13

    All by himself, this knight in slightly tarnished armour beat the boers; something that the British, with an army of hundreds of thousands and a policy of scorched earth and war on women and children, barely managed a century before. No wonder he is called the greatest man who ever lived. Certainly he is better than Superman.

  • Johann Kruger - 2013-07-19 07:36

    No we don't think we are educated we know we are educated.

  • Nhlanhla Msiza - 2013-07-19 08:16

    Tanks to you Mr Rolihlahla Mandela for what u have done even thou some of the white ppl still have that stupid apartheird mentality its fine!

  • Nkululeko Madi - 2013-07-19 08:17

    Mandale hasn't beaten the demon it stil lives, now it has spread amongst all race. It's worse than HIV/AIDS...

  • John Jackson - 2013-07-19 08:21

    Can Tata best the "cANCer" demon?

  • Vusi Nhlabathi - 2013-07-19 08:26

    World presidant.........Rolihlahla Nelson Mandela, he never worked to get himself rich like the current presidant and he is the only presidant to cut down his salary in the whole wide world........can Zuma cut down his salary? hell no,not in this life time

  • Solo Mathe - 2013-07-19 08:43

    We can never thank Mandela enough for what he did for us. Apartheid was no joke...

  • Lauren Kruger Du Plessis - 2013-07-19 08:47

    So so true. U cannot move on until you let go of the past, otherwise you are a prisoner forever. Mandela truly is an amazing man. So sad we can't have more people in government with that mindset.

      Siya - 2013-07-19 08:57

      Let's hope they're listening...

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-07-19 10:23

      Siya. Wise words from you.

  • Gert Van Wyk - 2013-07-19 08:52

    Hi Billy Boy keep your mouth and pants close I wonder if your wife Hillary ever beat the Monica Lewinsky’ demon

  • Lauren Kruger Du Plessis - 2013-07-19 09:06

    Thanks for saying 'some' white people :) so sad that they cannot accept and move on.

  • Annalie Badenhorst - 2013-07-19 09:17

    And now the 'demon' is back - it is called black apartheid(bee and bbbee) and racissm.

      Tshepo Smiley - 2013-07-19 10:21

      Lol what about the wee?

  • Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-07-19 09:45

    Strange how those that called you a communist terrorist now all sit at your feet. This is probably one of Madiba's biggest victories. God bless him.

  • Mlungisi Kunene - 2013-07-19 10:04

    This is cheap talk Clinton..too cheap a talk...The West (US) allowed the Apartheid regime to commit gross 'atrocities' right in theirs and kept quiet all the time until the old man and other comrades sacrificed their lives for the benefit of all South Africans...

  • Jan van Riebeeck - 2013-07-19 10:36

    Interresting that Bill Clintons suggested solution to the Balkans war was creating an apartheid state between the Serbs, Croats and Bosnians. Seems he wasnt too scared of the Apartheid demon that time.

  • Son-of Soil Azania - 2013-07-19 10:37

    Now is time for us to make a right choice by casting a vote. It's time for us to build on the foundation layered. Throwing each other with words, express of hate n anger will not bring solution. UDM, COPE, EFF leaders realized dat what is happening is wrong they acted, what are we doing?

  • Willem de Haan - 2013-07-19 11:23

    Who is this Clinton outjie? He looks a lot like that one who was said to have a relationship with some female not his wife. Perhaps the same one? Really a great guy! Man oh man, he knew how to get it all and when he wanted it and for free! That is what I would call a role model! A truly great man! An do so clever and upright! Wow!

  • Franky Mark - 2013-07-19 14:45

    Mandela is one of my hero's - he did not start out to be but he did earn my respect. I have much to be grateful towards him. Now I am just wondering if the Americans would let a freedom fighter (aka terrorist like Osama) who authorized the killing of its citizens, walk out of jail and become president of the States? Well the fellows in Guantanamo can dream...

  • Frikkie Killian - 2013-07-19 18:06

    Yes all the black people all rich and there is no black poverty in SA, oh sorry I was talking about Nkandla, wonder who's living there. Definitely not the rest of black Africa...

  • John Calitz - 2013-07-20 01:23

    Poor old Bill Clinton in the USA and Canada they have massacred the Red Indian people by the millions. With normal births and deaths the Red Indian population should now have been 280 million. There is now only 6 million in the USA and Canada locked away in Reserves worst apartheid you can ever think off, very little is done to uplift that population. Look at the illegal state of israel in the Palestinian country building walls not to mingle with the rightful owners of the land. The illegal state of israel has done the worst holocaust of people in the world by killing and replacing millions of Palestinians with illegal jews. What has Clinton and his wife done about that worst apartheid, the worst ever in the history of the whole wide world.

  • Whogives Aphok Anyway - 2013-07-20 12:05

    Clinton . Blow me ..!!

  • Tiny Murphy - 2013-07-20 15:13

    By the time De Klerk called a referendum in 1992, militarily SADF and it's allies including Savimbi had been blasted into submission and negotiated settlements in Angola Mozambique & Namibia. This was in spite of all the technology and weaponry SADF had. However, at home in RSA they were still deceiving citizens into the belief that SADF was the greatest and would defend apartheid come what may. A number of South African agents sent to infiltrate the ANC in Zim, Mozambique, Zambia,etc had also been captured and were languishing in those countries' jails. Politically RSA was a stinking and embarrassing country that no one wanted to do business with...it was so isolated that this was giving Botha & Co headaches...contrary to propaganda, economically RSA was a sinking titanic. This was a result of years of ANC's diplomatic offensive and partly the use of Mandela's & other's jailing as symobols of fight for democracy and human rights.No wonder Botha suffered a stroke. What served the day was that in both ANC and NP there were people who saw a negotiated settlements as the solution. It's only fair to say Mandela, ANC, all the kids who were shot by the "mighty" SADF and all people who were opposed to apartheid beat that demon...this includes people in Namibia, Moz, Zim, Angola and others the world over.

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