Mandela is ill

2011-01-16 07:45

Johannesburg – There are rumours that former president Nelson Mandela is very ill and may be nearing the end.

Nelson Mandela Foundation spokesperson Sello Hatang denied the rumours on Saturday evening and said the 92-year-old Mandela was on holiday with his wife, Graca Machel.

Hatang asked that the couple’s privacy be respected.

Rapport obtained information that Mandela’s health had recently deteriorated.

Several rumours about his health and imminent passing away were recently proven to be untrue.

But according to a reliable source, this time was different.


  • Donovan Jackson - 2011-01-16 08:01

    Everybody gotta die sometime. (Sgt Barnes, Platoon, 1986).

      sean.redmond3 - 2011-01-16 10:58

      You gotta go, you gotta go, him to.

      sbhennops - 2011-01-17 08:52

      kolobe you are a twat. i met the man and he is really a fantastic and real person. I would say the ANC should stop trying to cover up his health situation as some of us also want to know what is happening and are concerned about him. Grow up kolobe he was the best president the ANC has had and will ever have had and i have yet to see a leader that can fill his shoes. He is really a nice person i hope he is well.

      Ammie - 2011-01-17 09:21

      @ Kolobo - I read Beeld and DEFINITELY don't wish Mandela dead. I actually said a prayer from him. With your attitude you don't deserve to "claim" Mandela for yourself. He's exactly the opposite of you and you can only wish to have his stunning heart!

      emmamimie - 2011-01-17 10:04

      Kolobe start this year by being more positive, leave the old SA behind, we are all trying to be positive about the future of this country and its people. Mr Mandela is a great man the best we had as president, do ot destroy that belief.

      Lauren - 2011-01-17 11:06

      Kolobe, why don't you try and be a better, less racist person this year? Give it a bash. If you can't, I suggest you keep your dirty mouth off all matters relating to Nelson Mandela. You taint his image.

      daaivark - 2011-01-17 12:33

      @ Kolobe... Actually Kolobe, this article is from Rapport, and I don't see any indication of anyone wishing him dead. It is pure reportage. No emotion involved.

      daaivark - 2011-01-17 12:34

      @ Ares. "Everyone dies daily." ????? One dies once and once only.

      alousav - 2011-01-17 12:42

      kolobe is it so hard to be nice? How can this country ever improve with comments like yours? Start the new year with a fresh new attitude and maybe it will filter through to more people.

      kolobe - 2011-01-18 08:36


      NewZimBobwe - 2011-01-18 10:31

      Rest in Peace Madiba.

      Blackpride - 2011-01-18 15:15

      NewZimBobwe, could you please wait for the man to die 1st b4 asking to rest in peace.

  • Norman - 2011-01-16 08:07

    who exactly know when is the end of someone end (death).? He migth be ill but to say to an end is wrong. Maybe is the reason these politician want to introduce media triabunal control in south africa. Jeno, tell us the situation the way it is, not what you think. Stop being a death agent. - 2011-01-16 16:06

      This question was answered by Correctional Services when they released Shabir who was at the time apparently terminally ill. This was quite some time ago and latest reports indicate the man is still around. This is the former financial advisor of JZ is it not.?

      lenand40 - 2011-01-17 11:01

      @John Mandela is not a prisoner applying for medical parole. This assessment is not from a doctor, rather from a source who maybe none other than the imagination of the journo

      Blackpride - 2011-01-18 15:20

      lenando40, i hear what Joryha is saying. If the Doctor who predicted Shakes imminent death could not get it right, then really, who can? Madiba could therefore die today (i really hope it's not that soon) or in 2020, really, who knows.

  • Hermann - 2011-01-16 08:08


      Jon Doe - 2011-01-16 13:54

      you are very naive and ignorant

      richard - 2011-01-16 15:54

      I agree to that. Get well soon Madiba.

      aa gone - 2011-01-17 07:37


      Engela - 2011-01-17 07:50

      Yes get well soon Madiba x

      Lauren - 2011-01-17 11:08

      Herman, that's sweet of you, but I think it's age that is getting the better of him and you don't "get better soon" from age. I think we should all just prepare ourselves for the sad truth that we are going to lose him sooner than later. A sad day indeed, but inevitable.

      daaivark - 2011-01-17 12:36

      And so Mr Doe, what exactly is naive and ignorant about wishing the man well? You do the "organisation" of which you tout the emblem no favours by being arrogantly ignorant.

      Jon Doe - 2011-01-18 13:49

      daaivark, you live up to your name.

      Blackpride - 2011-01-18 15:23

      Lauren, yes you don't get well soon from age. You do, however, get better from the illnesses that generally come with old age. So, therefore, there is nothing wrong with Hermann wishing he gets well soon.

  • Carlin - 2011-01-16 08:21

    It will be a sad day when he passes. The ANC need more of his kind.

      madrynn - 2011-01-17 12:06

      the world need more of his kind.

      Bobbi T - 2011-01-18 11:59

      @madrynn - well said - so very true

  • Peet - 2011-01-16 08:22

    46664 no more!

      daaivark - 2011-01-17 12:37

      The foundation will continue after his death. Administration and control thereof has already long been out of his hands.

  • sandrak - 2011-01-16 08:22

    Our thoughts and prayers are with Madiba and his family.

      andre.sonnekus - 2011-01-16 10:42

      And what will you pray for then? It really irks me when people make these cliched the question is ...what will you pray for?

      rikkirex - 2011-01-16 11:49

      Cliched comments also irk me - my worst is 'deeply shocked and saddened', usually used when somebody unknown to you dies, or 'I am humbled' or worst 'I am humble'. Comes from too much TV and Oprah, Queen of the banal. Wait for Mr Mandela (a man I respect) to die and you will hear the deeply shocked and saddened brigade in full force.

      Krush - 2011-01-17 14:51

      Thank you and Please are also cliche's but generally regarded as good manners. There is really nothing wrong with using certain cliche's especially in a situation where you do not know someone well enough to offer a very personal comment.

  • John - 2011-01-16 08:28

    hang in there old fella !!!all south africans are proud of you and love you !!!

      Altus - 2011-01-16 09:49

      was responsible for the death of a lot of people yes. but they needed to do that in order to break down the apartheid regime. be objective.

      waynet59 - 2011-01-16 09:52

      don't put me in that group John,and I in return will not put you in the matric class of 2010.

      Irené - 2011-01-16 10:22

      Eric, you are a sad pathetic racist bigot. Have a little objective, what about all the people who needlessly died during apartheid? We dont need you backwards wingers. And bythe way, wigger is racisr and disrepsectful.

      andre.sonnekus - 2011-01-16 10:44

      Irene, more people dies in the last 16 years....since the end of Apartheid...than during the nearly 50 years under a Nationalist does that work?

      Heks - 2011-01-16 11:30

      speak for yourself, not the whole of South Africa! Some South Africans have made a God of him. Surely he won't mind going, actually he might welcome it!

      phillip.havenga - 2011-01-16 13:47

      Oh my butsome of you people are either blind, idiots or just plain crazy. The murder of innocent people can NEVER BE JUSTIFIED!

  • Netarlia - 2011-01-16 08:28

    Whatever the case may be my prayers are with ths great man and his family as for the comments,there is a time to live a time to laugh and a time to die, everything happens in Gods time,MADIBA-youve run a good race 1 that wont be forgotten for centuries to come!

      lenand40 - 2011-01-17 11:02

      so, if a little child dies hours after death, that was God's time? Sick!!!

      Gregoir - 2011-01-17 11:26

      @Ienand40, please explain to me exactly how a child dies hours after DEATH? thanks.

      mauoanem - 2011-01-17 12:49

      @ Gregoir LOL.... yes Ienand40 explain?

      PikeLee - 2011-01-17 15:50


      lmduplessis - 2011-01-18 11:18

      I think he might mean "birth"

      oakene - 2011-01-19 10:35

      @Lenand40, "dies after death", what the hell?? It serves you right for being a devil's advocate. There are so much more positive-ness one can share, but some people feel the need to be so negative. I feel sorry for such, they must be miserable to the core.

  • GBES - 2011-01-16 08:43

    Mandela stopped the violent revolutionaries from formenting hatred against the whites.For this,and this only I SALUTE him.This courageous action of him & his inner cell,saved my country from ruin.We did not have to build up from scratch like a lot of countries,where regimme change took place.

      lindorsu - 2011-01-16 09:07

      Your country is ...? You are definitely not talking about South Africa because South Africa is going to ruins.

      ArtGee - 2011-01-16 11:33

      If the ANC "DROVE" the Whites into the Sea or slaughtered them back in 1994... the ANC would NOT have gotten a PERFECT STATE to RUIN!!! There would be no coffers to ENRICH THEMSELVES!

      DeonL - 2011-01-17 10:28

      He did save us, but De Klerk helped, that is why both received the Peace price.

      Andy49 - 2011-01-17 20:45

      And so did Mad Bob up north way back in 1980, look at his actions now. Rhetoric without action is meaningless yet it appears as if the majority of people fall for it.

  • m00t - 2011-01-16 08:54

    pure media speculation here, nothing to see. The media is being paid by the anc to garner sympathy votes in the upcoming elections by using the poor old guy again. Happened at every election ...yawwn

      Worldwise - 2011-01-16 09:49

      Yep, wheel Mandela out when he is needed for vote gathering.

      GTFO - 2011-01-16 14:07

      its moot!!!! whoop whoop welcome to the trolling state.

      lenand40 - 2011-01-17 11:04

      Wow, with such logic, who needs the matric exams?

      Gregoir - 2011-01-17 11:33

      @Ienand40 I think you do my friend

      rade8408 - 2011-01-17 12:23

      Atleast m00t is openly admitting hes a troll through his profile pic and the fact hes using 4chans founders name. Welcome to the news24 forums man, youll find yourself right at home here.

      Eduard_Khil - 2011-01-18 07:08

      rule 1 and 2 plz

  • moiraine - 2011-01-16 09:02

    I cannot believe that people are spewing such hate over an old man who may or may not be dying. He is into his 90s, leave him and his wife in peace to enjoy whatever time he has left. Whatever he has done good or bad in the past surely he deserves that. Remember one day we will all be there. God bless you Madiba

      Worldwise - 2011-01-16 09:50

      We will all be where?

      moiraine - 2011-01-16 14:36

      We will all be dying one day and wouldnt you like to do that in peace. Or would you prefer to have anyone you have done something to come to gloat on your deathbed? (not picking at you worldwise, just saying generally)

      Annette - 2011-01-17 08:17

      30,000 people have not died in peace. They were brutally murdered by Mandelas people. He gave them the right to do it,. Some of those people were in their 80's. Why the hell should I care if he dies.And he said he does not believe in God, so dont bless him. No I dont hate him , I just dont feel anything for him.

      Irené - 2011-01-17 08:40

      Hey annette, his religion should have nothing to do with your respect for him, or are you one of those christian supremasists? You cannot say it was mandela people who killed innocents, you also cannot say he allowed it, hes not rrsponsible for all problems in SA. Get overr it sad old lady

      DeonL - 2011-01-17 10:31

      Moiraine probably meant that "all" will be at his funeral, probably only in spirit or via the Media / Tel.

      Rajty - 2011-01-17 14:13

      Yes Annette- and millions of blacks were killed, or subjected to a slow and torturous social extinction called apartheid. Mandela retaliated to a force that was looking to extermintae blacks from the face of the country. So yes, he did authorise killing but he always gave the government a better alternative- stop apartheid. And he was true to hius word....what followed post 1994 is symptomatic of the legacy that whites have left this country with.

      CAD59 - 2011-01-17 16:50

      Irene, have got one of those grey computers? Rreal rrubbish ain't they?

      Worldwise - 2011-01-17 17:13

      Millions of blacks Rajty? Do some more research. More blacks were killed by the ANC during your struggle than were killed by the apartheid forces. Try reading a book by Paul Trewhela, who was in exile and prison during the so called struggle. Its enlightening to read the truth from someone inside the ANC.

      lmduplessis - 2011-01-18 11:22

      Millions of blacks were killed???? O_o This is the FIRST i've heard of this. I would have thought that the ANC would have thrown this at the previous regimes face all the time, like the Jews and the Holocaust.

  • Pleb - 2011-01-16 09:06

    So are we supposed to care ?

  • Raymond - 2011-01-16 09:13

    Any old man at his age is bound to be sick at some stage; especially if they have a bunuch of people like us: making unconventional remarks about their being. LEAVE THE OLD MAN ALONE PLEASE, let's allow him the respect and gratitude he desrves - you will be suprised how long he will leave with us.

  • william.botha - 2011-01-16 09:13

    Dont worry peoples, Morgan Freeman will take over.

      coolwaynie - 2011-01-16 09:38

      ...and he speaks clearer.

      ArtGee - 2011-01-16 11:36

      At least Morgan Freeman is a BETTER ACTOR!!!!

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-16 16:58

      I thought it was Sidney Poitier?

      multicon - 2011-01-17 16:50

      No man Zoidberg, Morgan Freeman acted as Nelson Mandela in the movie Invictus

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-17 19:52

      @multicon - but there was that older movie about Mandela (Poitier) winning the election with Michael Caine as de Klerk. Haven't seen Invictus yet, not sure if it is propaganda?

      Karoobloed - 2011-01-18 19:18

      Do yourself a favour and see Invictus, it is a fairly low key movie - not overtly syrupy. Unless you see all information not reinforcing your biases as "propaganda".

  • bokangk - 2011-01-16 09:23

    We know you too old but may God still bless you with many more years to come. May u live to see ur dream for this country coming true, even though its happening at a slow rate.

      Worldwise - 2011-01-16 09:53

      Its not happening at a slow rate, its going backwards. Colonialism is being destroyed to get SA back to the state it was in 1652. Then you lot can go back to stealing each others cattle and burning your neighbours mud hut. On second thoughts, you're already there.

      Worldwise - 2011-01-16 11:49

      @Irene, its not your country. Its mine too and it is being destroyed. Take off the ANC tinted glasses and see the rot. @Thouca, supply a substantive argument and not just an inane comment please, or are you a product of the ANC's outcome based education?

      bvravest - 2011-01-16 14:39

      @ irene. your comments today that stand out so far: "so go jump down a cliff", "just go jump of a tall cliff" to name two. do you like cliffs or are you mentally retarded and unable to structure a sentence without the words "jump, down, cliff"

  • Abdul Carrim - 2011-01-16 09:25

    Racists Your comments on a man of the last 2 decades suck Have some sympathy for his health. One of the greatest leaders of the current era. God bless u comrade madiba

      Arthur Phili - 2011-01-16 10:21

      Worldwise. Exactly.

      Subzer0 - 2011-01-17 08:19

      @Worldwise you mean that Mandela fought because he wanted to be violent just cause he could right. So this had nothing to do with fighting for equal rights or that black people be afforded the same treated as what white people expected? Yor hatred for the man and blacks in general has really clouded your sense of reasoning.

      Wendy - 2011-01-17 08:41

      Good comment Abdul

      Irené - 2011-01-17 08:43

      @ subzero, nicely said! Thanks. These people have obviosly not slent much time reading about the real history of SA, but prefeer the old apartheid propaganada, you live in the past worldwise.have you spent 27 yrs fighting inequality ? No? Then buzz off you stupid man.

      Rajty - 2011-01-17 14:18

      Hey worldwide- get your bloody facts staright. he was classed a terrorist by the same biggoted white population- everyone that wasn't a "yes Baas" person was classified as one. he gave up his freedom because the government wouldn't stop the oppression- don't forget who started this war you bloody moron. It's sad that in time like the present, and with access to so much information, you still get it so wrong. And to think that you can vote- bloody twit i tell you.

      Worldwise - 2011-01-17 17:15

      No Rajty, you've got it wrong. Read ANC insider Paul Trewhala's book. He was classed as a terrorist by the rest of the world, not by the RSA whites dummy. Check it out with all the information at your disposal.

  • Hopnop - 2011-01-16 09:31

    Nelson must not go now, he must witness how this country is getting rape by his cronies, and yet he has not spoken about it, time to reflect, to face a mirror is not easy!!

      lmduplessis - 2011-01-18 11:25

      I think he's seen how his ANC is acting these days and has given up hope for the future. You can't keep the children in line ALL the time. He's tired.

  • swoan - 2011-01-16 09:34

    I dont see this as a story, your reliable source cant find anything of great value but this? shocking! Madiba is sooo old, we cant expect him to be whole!

  • coolwaynie - 2011-01-16 09:36

    As with Michael Jackson the funeral will be a big affair but will be forgotten quickly.

      Subzer0 - 2011-01-17 08:21

      The funeral obviousy would be forgotten but the Man, never!!! Deal with that.

      Lanfear - 2011-01-17 10:00

      Agreed Subzer0! Madiba is already a legend in his own lifetime. He will not be forgotten. Like other humans of his ilk, his name is down in history and millenia from now, people will still know it.

      lmduplessis - 2011-01-18 11:26

      And the whole country will effectively be shut down for probably a week when this happens.

      coolwaynie - 2011-01-19 12:25

      It'll be ANOTHER holiday...can you see it already..people running amock through the streets, drinking and smashing shop windows...lovely.

  • thambomz - 2011-01-16 09:47

    He's 92, of course he isn't in good shape.

  • Thouca - 2011-01-16 09:56

    show some respect here guys

      sean.redmond3 - 2011-01-16 11:08


      Thouca - 2011-01-16 11:33

      perhaps bcause that what 1st world decent people do

      WallFly - 2011-01-16 11:38

      Because the things he did wrong happened a very long time ago, because he did his time for it, because after being let out of prison he did do unifying, peace-making work, because he has made a difference since then. He couldn't exactly stop the cronyism and corruption, because he has no power in the ANC anymore, they simply use him as a mascot. But most of all, show respect because that's how we should treat fellow human beings. And by showing each other respect, we can work to heal our country.

      moiraine - 2011-01-16 14:39

      Because he is an old man who, even if he is not dying right now does not have much time left. Let hime live it in peace with his family. He has virtually left public life, give him his privacy. That is what we would all like for our relatives when it is their time to go.

      bvravest - 2011-01-16 14:42

      @ thouca: but we are in the third world..

      richard - 2011-01-16 16:09

      I Agree. Just ignore thesenegative people they like the attention we give them. You know the story of giving them enough rope, they will hang themselves.

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-16 17:06

      Sorry Thouca I am decent and caring and compassionate but the ANC's hatred towards whites was not resolved by your beloved saviour Madiba therefore I see him as a failure. RESPECT DENIED!!!! If he did this I would have regarded him with the highest praise but sorry, this was not achieved.

      Engela - 2011-01-17 08:00

      i agree respect the men fought for his people, seems some very arrogant racist white people suffer from memory loss, so it was ok to be racist and keep it all to ourselves now it's their turn it's all wrong didn't the white start the shit? Come one people what's good for one is good for the other, i don't come from a racist family and never mistreated any person because they are black. The issues we should complain about together is the economy picking it up and fixing it together, fighting crime together, feeding each other together. My black friends, please not all white people are thick, racist and ignorant like some folks on here, if you dont' know what you are talking about then shut the hell up!! Peace and love to SA!! AMEN!!

      Lauren - 2011-01-17 11:16

      Zoidberg, so you expect ONE man to control the minds of millions? He showed them the way and many of them (not all) chose to continue the legacy of racism. You cannot however blame one man for that.

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-17 12:16

      @Lauren - Watch me.

      Mike - 2011-01-18 13:49

      @Engela - Oh you of the purest of the pure - don't tell me you and your family and your ilk never had a black maid who you exloited by giving her pathetic wages et al. Tell me you and your's truly fought for human rights for the blacks - tell me in the same breath that you could actually slip on Helen Zille shoes. Fact remains: Mandela is an arsonist, a betrayer of his country (treason) - he should've been put up against a wall and shot!

  • ThirdWorld - 2011-01-16 10:15

    Not at the time for local elections!Poor ANC. Who are they going to point to as a reference point of morality. He said government officials must be paid enough so they would not be tempted to steal. Yes, they are not stealing.

  • Jakes - 2011-01-16 10:18

    One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Depends which side of the railway you were living.

      wartmonger - 2011-01-16 10:53

      @jakes exactly!! well said, but narrow minded fools cant see this . "none are so blind as those that will not see" Everything in life is relative.

      141mat - 2011-01-16 11:24

      @Jakes So you say Hitler was a great man (if you are a German), please man even the Germans are ashamed at what he did, even if it bring them up in the world. I will not attack an old man that did do things to help this country but do not defend his actions. That just gives all mad men the right.

      WallFly - 2011-01-16 12:05

      @141mat Hitler wasn't 'n freedom fighter, many German's didn't support (and/or didn't fully know) what he was doing, and the war didn't bring Germany up in the world, it practically destroyed them.

      Picasso - 2011-01-17 07:40

      No Jakes, a freedom fighter fights against the system's forces like the army and police. A terrorist target the innocent public, like the ANC did.

      Irené - 2011-01-17 08:46

      @ picasso, i rercommend you read a little SA history. They retaliafed to much stronger force from the police. How are you supposed to fight a unjust system if you cannot retaliate?

      Picasso - 2011-01-17 12:18

      No Irene, you should read up on SA history. Yes they did sometimes retaliate against the police, but many time not, go and read about the Church Street Bombing as well as the St James church attack. That was innocent civilians that was targeted in pure terrorism, how do you retaliate by bombing and killing civilians?

  • isn331 - 2011-01-16 10:20

    I'm appalled at the comments being leveled against a man who fought for freedom and a non racial society. Mandela is one of the greatest if not greatest statesmen the world has ever seen. South Africa was on the brink of civil war in 1994 Mandela prevented this, when Mandela was released he could have advocated hatred and revenge instead Mandela chose peace and reconciliation to brandish Mandela in any other light is utterly disgusting. The world will never see a statesman of Mandela's magnitude again, dignity, integrity and honesty. Twenty seven years behind bars and Mandela never gave up hope many South Africans including myself can learn from such strength and determination, if the world had more leaders like Mandela their would be less hatred, war and division. God bless Mandela and South Africa

      WallFly - 2011-01-16 11:40

      I believe SA would have been so much better off if Mandela was younger when he came out of prison and could have served another term. Pity he was at retirement age.

      richard - 2011-01-16 16:11

      I second that.

  • gilliansan - 2011-01-16 10:35

    Pity it's not Mugabe!!!!!

      Picasso - 2011-01-17 07:41

      Or Julius or Winnie.

      Wendy - 2011-01-17 08:43

      LOL. Yes I agree

  • IceMan - 2011-01-16 10:36

    if he dies, he dies - life carries on for the rest of the 6 billion in the world. Everybody dies - media need to stop making a drama out of everything.

  • Tembo - 2011-01-16 10:39

    I'm shocked at the comments here. While I know that Mandela had participated in Terrorist activities , remember firstly that the Nats did much worse things and secondly both sides shook hands and agreed to put that behind them.

      WallFly - 2011-01-16 11:42

      Exactly! What happened, happened, and the whole idea of the "New SA" was to get on and try to form a new identity and way of doing things. I hate how people keep on bringing up the past. Sure, have memorials and things, but don't live your day-to-day life caught up in things that happened ages ago.

      Zulgin - 2011-01-16 11:55

      Ironic that more people died to their 'armed' struggle and to the 'nats brutality'. Educate yourself.

      Tembo - 2011-01-16 14:31

      Can you supply any sort of proof that more died in the arms struggle or are you an internet fart ?

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-16 17:10

      Please elaborate on the "worst things the Nats did". I remember that Robert McBride killed whites at Magoos bar now he is a bigshot in the police force (ANC memeber). I think that your Mandela did worse by killing all the whites over the years. Do you condone his terrorist activities?

      Worldwise - 2011-01-16 17:44

      Sure Tembo, Try reading "The Peoples War" by Anthea Jeffery, Who holds a doctorate in human rights from the University of London. There is another by a black South African author, but I can't find the book in my bookcase at present. As soon as I find it I will post the details here. Both answer your question. Try reading a bit more and become educated. Education is not the gathering of qualifications, it is a state if mind that applies ethics, understanding and wisdom to everyday and complex matters. Remember that Bob Mugabe has six degrees but they haven't helped him much because he isn't educated.

      Picasso - 2011-01-17 07:42

      Tembo, read the TRC report.

  • Musa Ngubane - 2011-01-16 10:45

    It was Mandela who stopped Blacks from paying revenge to those who oppressed them. It is his reconciliation philosophy which created the rainbow nation. Mandela is not a terrorist but the founder of a democratic South Africa. It is a shame that there are still counter-revolutionary forces who would comment like this about Mandela. These people don't deserve to live in SA. They must go overseas and find a country to live in. We will not apologise for liberating this country. We love you Madiba.

      Picasso - 2011-01-17 07:44

      "It was Mandela who stopped Blacks from paying revenge to those who oppressed them." Dude, go and read up on the deal strucked between the ANC and the NP for handing over the government.

      Karoobloed - 2011-01-18 21:23

      Amen Mr. Ngubane. I am an Afrikaner, but our hearts are the same colour.

  • - 2011-01-16 10:51

    He tipped the scales to peace when folks were rushing to buy candles and tinned food, anticipating a violent end to the revolution. I find it so ironic that there are 2 specific groups. A grouping of whites that believe De Klerk sold them out and group of blacks that believe Mandela prevented them from taking revenge. And somewhere in the middle there are us, black, white, pink, purple that can see what would have been if it wasnt for these two chaps... While we know Madiba cant go for ever it fills me with sadness because I dont see a replacement for him. I dont see a voice of reason, selflessness and building for a future, seeing the past as history that forms us but not a concrete block to drag us down

      molefeP - 2011-01-16 11:10

      Well said! Very well said! - 2011-01-16 11:16

      You make alot of sense africangirl but just remember Mandela's release was a deal made between many factions and even if he wanted revenge he was and would forever be in the spotlight worldwide. I suspect the whole hype over his release etc was done for this very reason. - 2011-01-16 11:39

      Well said.

      WallFly - 2011-01-16 11:50

      From one of those "pink" ones in the middle who appreciate both sides: Bravo!

      thevicwarden - 2011-01-16 12:35

      The fear and hatred voiced on the news site is surely not a true reflection of most people's opinions. I'm sure that the 'in the middle' are millions and millions of people who feel no hatred. Concern maybe about corruption (not the colour of the skin), even while they see the difference in the lives of the indigent - water, housing, electricity in some cases and access to a small social grant each month for some. I, for one, would absolutely hate to go back pre-1994, so-called good roads notwithstanding.

      Dragon 7605 - 2011-01-16 12:52


      moiraine - 2011-01-16 14:50

      well said africangirl

      richard - 2011-01-16 16:21

      You are a true afrrican sister. Well done.

      Lauren - 2011-01-17 11:21

      Nicely done!

  • ubuntupunk - 2011-01-16 10:54

    Your report is incorrect, it is a Twitter hoax like the RIP Justin Bieber hoax

  • Martyn - 2011-01-16 10:56

    lets not forget the orginization he fight for, that same orginization that currently rule this country, that members of that orginization who enrich themselves, allow murders to be protected and making sure you live every day in fear. I will not shed a tear if he dies, nor did I shead a tear when Terreblance died. I want to live in a country were I can trust the people around me, when walking in the street or walk with my family around the block after work. I want to live in a county were electrical fences, armed security response i snot needed, I a country were the nigerians ans zimbabwens dont have more rights than the citizens who was born here. Our ANC government is dishing out ID documents to foreigners like candy, allow them to breed on our soil and than making the offspring legal citizins. As long as the current political war is not ended, our country is facing a bleek future. The political parties is not violent yet, but the damage they are doing in the board rooms is on the same level. Did our country move forward since 1996 ? Yes, we are allowed to play international sports, but the world is allowing us to think we are back in the global society,but you have not seen us taking up any important spot in any world orginization. Only mr Selebi, but do I say anything more about him.

      ArtGee - 2011-01-16 11:41

      Well said Martyn!!! I feel EXACTLY THE SAME!! As most on this site!

      WallFly - 2011-01-16 11:52

      Right, carefully agreeing with some of what you said (not all)... but this isn't Mandela's fault. He was only in charge for a short while, in which he did a lot to prevent the outbreak of war. It's not his fault that those who came after him made bad decisions.

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-16 17:18

      HEAR HEAR!!

  • dictator - 2011-01-16 10:57

    Stay strong Madiba!

  • Figuerro - 2011-01-16 11:04

    After reading most of these racist and disrespectful comments above, Mandela must be saying, " ngendiyiyekile le migodoyi ibulawe yonke whilst the whole country was still fuming" Maybe News24 should close the comments box to avoid the racial vitriol we are being subjected to, especially when dealing with the people of the calibre of Mandela. I say again, iminqund'enu bonke aba babhale ububhanxa apha !!!

      Spoofed - 2011-01-16 11:41

      ''Maybe News24 should close the comments box to avoid the racial vitriol we are being subjected to'' I completely agree. It gets very tiring to see every article you read full of racist and pretentious Remarks form all sides

      Worldwise - 2011-01-16 12:17

      Well done Figuerro, censor the peoples thoughts. Close down what you don't want to hear. Comment in a language few outside your sub culture will understand. Mandela was a terrorist.

      richard - 2011-01-16 16:25


      Zoidberg - 2011-01-16 17:21

      I built a switch for you to turn off the internet, do you want it?

  • jesewashere - 2011-01-16 11:05

    People who call Madiba a terrorist should be ashamed of themselves, and I say that as a white man. He is the father of this nation and it will be a very sad day in our history if he passes away. All of my thoughts and prayers are with him and his family and I hope that, if he is ill, he has a speedy recovery.

      ArtGee - 2011-01-16 11:42

      If Mandela is the FATHER,then WINNIE is the MUGGER of the NATION????

      Zulgin - 2011-01-16 11:53

      ag please, Mandela is the father of a corrupt nation. He was nothing more than a terrorist, Robert Mugabe also spend time in jail and was honoured for his 'contributions' to freedom. Mandela is no different.

      WallFly - 2011-01-16 11:54

      I am a white woman, and a supporter of Mandela. It's true that he WAS a terrorist, leading a terrorist organisation, and that's never excusable. But a lot of time has passed since then and his actions after leaving prison prove that he was no longer a terrorist.

      Worldwise - 2011-01-16 12:20

      You obviously missed my last post. Here, I will repeat it: He is only a "great leader" due to media hype. Digest some inconvenient facts: If anyone does today to the ANC government what Mandela did to land himself in jail, they would suffer the same fate. Just look at Cele crowing over "arms cache" finds much smaller than the ANC had. Also check out the Boeremag treason trial for far less than Mandela did. Mandela was classed as a terrorist (Officially) worldwide. He was the head of an organisation that planted bombs in post offices, shopping malls, bars and night clubs. The only reason he spent 27 years in prison was because, although being offered his freedom on many occasions on condition that he renounce violence, he steadfastly refused to renounce violence. More than 20 000 blacks were killed in the townships by necklacing etc. for not thinking like he did. This is more than was killed by security forces in the entire apartheid era. He has never admitted to nor apologised for the human rights atrocities committed in the ANC punishment camps, the most notorius being Quatro Camp in Angola. Lately, as a Nobel Peace Prize winner, he has never spoken out about the cronyism, crime or corruption of his organisation. His family trust and family are also involved in some really dodgy dealings. Check out the Mandela Childrens Fund problems as well.

      bvravest - 2011-01-16 14:54

      but he is.. putting your head in the sand does not make the fact go away. my thoughts are with the south africans that got murdered last night, the women that were raped and the children that were beaten. not an old man that killed innocent people, and belongs to an organization that does the same every day of the year.

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-16 17:23

      I assume you vote ANC as you support this man. We will talk again once you are a victim of black on white hate speech and crime. Then I will have the last laugh.

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-16 17:27

      @WallFly - A terrorist supporter I see, please read my previous comment to Figuerro. Also will you apologise to those thousands that died in the World Trade Centre when Bin Laden killed them. If you don't then you support Bin Laden as well. Well done, you DO condone theft, murder, rape, corruption. Please explain to me how terrorism is not all of the above?

      betterness - 2011-01-17 06:45

      I support your comment there jesewashere.Also as a mlungu, i wish Madiba well, and if and when he goes, may it be in a painless and peaceful way. This vitriol against him on the forum is shameful! I'm embarrassed as a whity with this type of unjustified hatred, particularly with the likes of idiots like worldwise (should rather call himself worldsfool) - nothing wise spewing from your comments. SHOW SOME RESPECT Y'ALL!!

      Lauren - 2011-01-17 11:26

      Zoidberg, are you apologising to all the black people that were wronged in the past? If not, you too support rape and murder. You are a bigot. You do realise that, right? Worldwise, we all saw your previous post, most of us simply chose to ignore it.

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-17 12:29

      @Lauren - I will not apologise to anyone as I did not do anything to anyone. Does it look like I run a political party and call the shots on who to off who? Seriously, you are the racist bigot in this as you would rather support blacks who kill whites. But then again what do you expect from a person who sold themselves out. Since when have the whites had a terrorist organisation in South Africa in apartheid. Wake up little girl and smell the concrete!

      Karoobloed - 2011-01-18 19:24

      If you were a Black person under Apartheid chances are very well that you would have terrorized by the police for "crimes" like walking on a "Whites Only" beach (in Africa!), being in town after 6 pm or for having lost your Pass Book or just for coming accross as suspicious. Voidbrain, how can you not get this?

  • bokkie36 - 2011-01-16 11:07

    I for one, will not cry

      pietlombard1 - 2011-01-16 11:39

      Nor would millions. LETS START PARTYING.

      bokkie36 - 2011-01-16 18:08

      No I will not party either, I am just saying that it will not touch me, he was and always be an instigator of violence in my mind, but that does not mean that I have no respect, so, I will not party

      William - 2011-01-16 19:01

      I am not advocating or might want to take a look, gagga as he is:

      sparking - 2011-01-16 19:46

      As I am saying, bokkie36 you sound like one of the characters that represents the wow in chihuahua.There has been a lot of blackward bending since '94 and not all of us became senile or developed memoriy problems. Madiba ensured a transition period that suited all you MF's. We accepted because you appeared sincere. Are you telling us that you had a change of heart because that might justify a change on our part. Madiba did more for you than you will ever realise and you might just do yourselves a favour by remembering him at least for that. Stop breakdancing on this minefield

      bokkie36 - 2011-01-17 07:46

      @ sparkling: ??????? Did you even read what I said? I said I have respect (and integrity) and will not party if he dies, but I will not be sad either. Changed my mind after voting yes for change? I certainly did, after the gross miss management of the country - health services, education, crime, infrastructure, you name it. This country is falling to pieces after 15 years of ANC rule, and think ANC and you think Mandela. That is what I was saying.

  • popeye - 2011-01-16 11:27

    Father of the nation? Like they call Winnie the mother of the nation? What a lot of crap. Yes, he did do a lot for the country, but he will be the first one to admit that he did not fight for the country in the the current state it is and how it is managed. The current leaders is belonging to the party he fight for, but sure, he will not approve how they run things today. And I'm living in the current, not the passed. Robert Mcbride plant a bomb, killed a lot of people, and just because its said that he did it for the "saak", its okei? Yes, a lot of killings happened before 1994 as well, They are also murderers. The bottem line is that if you go out and plan to kill someone, you are a murderer. No matter if the court can prove it or not. In your heart, you have to live with that for the rest of your life. I was in the defence force in 1980 - 1981, you were looking for "terrs", and if you enter a kraal and believe they gave sleeping place or supporting "terrs". you burn it down, You get on the Ratel, shoot the first cow in the kraal and take it for a braai. We were made believe its the way its shjould be done. We were wrong ! It did not make us murderers, but arsinists. We were 18 yrs old and trained by the SANF, a goverment orginization. I hate what we did in those years, and I hate it when I still see these type of actions or anyone who believe that this is the way to resolve the problems of our country. The priority should be what is best for our children !!!

      FredT - 2011-01-17 03:20

      @ Popeye I was a platoon sergeant doing border duty with 'Regiment Botha' (an Afrikaans regiment based in Ermelo) from '76 to '82 and not once did I encounter such behaviour.... You were either serving under/with very dishonourable men, not fit to be classed as soldiers….. or you are not being entirely honest.

      Mike - 2011-01-19 07:54

      And what exactly did you passed? Std 6? Look in the great book of words - past and pass.

  • - 2011-01-16 11:35

    Let us not forget the peaceful transition this country made when Mandela became President-that in itself was a miracle. It could so easily have turned into another bloodbath as happens elsewhere in the world when a MAJOR transition takes place within a country.... Sadly blood was shed on both sides pre '94, by the apartheid government and by the ANC. {Its because of apartheid that Nelson Mandela has become the icon he is.....}. This country is such a double-egded sword when it comes to politics...probably always will be. Mandela wanted freedom for all, simple as that. I am sure though that what Mandela sees today is NOT what he envisioned for SA ie. crime, corruption, non service delivery, etc. Sadly this country is slowly but surely becoming just another banana republic on the african continent...... Many of us would love nothing more than to be proven wrong..... I wish you well Mr.Mandela.

      Blue - 2011-01-16 12:48

      EXCUSE ME!!!! the ONLY reason there was a 'peacefull transition' is because the oppressed ( the majority ) envisaged what was to come...they knew then that they would be taking over control of our beautiful country, what the hell would they then be fighting for...remember, even the most illiterate knew they had to 'keep us on' so that we can keep whats beautiful intact for them to eventually take it over ( and trash it )!! Mandela sees all this happening, yet he sits there and does absolutely ZIP to help. He has the power to make a HUGE difference...just by uttering a few wize words...for heavens sake is that too much to ask of him? Yet, he would rather just fade into the unknown with a peacefull grin on his face...and leave his ANC counterparts to tear this country apart with greed and hate!! - 2011-01-16 20:03

      EXCUSE ME!!!!!! you SO obviously dont GET! what I am trying to say and your reply makes no sense considering its in response to my comment!The transition for this country was DRASTIC [to say the least!] and the fact that it was PEACEFUL [or would you have preferred bloodshed!} IS/WAS nothing short of a miracle! I too, many a time, wished Mr.Mandela would have spoken out against people like Malema, crime etc and why he didnt is anyone's guess and a great pity! As for 'keep us on', what nonsense! Sadly BEE happened to the detriment of this country so who was 'kept on'?! Not even in government was anyone 'kept on' from the previous government. Like I said, you OBVIOUSLY dont GET the gist of what I have tried to say but, by the tone of your response, who cares.....! - 2011-01-16 20:17

      EXCUSE ME!!!!!!!! You SO dont get the GIST of what I said! Your reply to my comment shows exactly that! The FACT that this country had a DRASTIC change of government PEACEFULLY! is, in part, thanks to a man like Mandela who wanted nothing but FREEDOM for all!! And, yes, I am the first to agree that, as we speak today, this country has problems [an understatement!] On many an occasion I, and many others, couldnt understand why Mandela did'nt/has'nt spoken out about things that are now the downfall of this country-he certainly has the following and surely it would have had some impact. Getting back to your comment though-would you have preferred bloodshed/a non-peaceful transition, still living with apartheid?! Like I said, you dont GET the gist of what I have said but, in your case, who cares........!

      FredT - 2011-01-17 03:45

      The ‘peaceful transition’ came about, courtesy FW de Klerk who, over 3 years prior to Mandela’s release made sure to transform the ‘National Party’ military command to one with a very ‘liberal’ stance….. Roelf Meyer, for instance was a military administration clerk catapulted directly into the position of Defence Minister. (Nepotism at its finest) - 2011-01-17 09:09

      Of course FW De Klerk had a pivotal role in it-that goes without say. He had to do it. There was no real future for SA [not that there is much now] if he hadnt-he had foresight. Roelf Meyer was a mere 'political puppet' at that time because of his liberal stance [and I have nothing against him, always thought he too had foresight]. If only the ANC had kept on FW, Roelf and others for a few years longer...but then again, what is happening now to SA would still have been inevitable. Again I say, the ANC are ruining a beautiful country, slowly but surely by not taking a firm stance against so many ills that now prevail. Talk about a complex country.......

  • Spoofed - 2011-01-16 11:39

    For all evil there is good, for all good there is evil. Seems like this forum is kind of confused on that. Yes a lot of people died, but a lot of people were also saved. If it wasn't for madiba we would still be seeing white's only beaches etc a I,for one never ever want to be apart of that. (And i am white)<--- Just in case people start playing the race card which is seen all over these forums.

      Worldwise - 2011-01-16 17:52

      Correct Arthur, few blacks will admit that the whites voted in a referendum to end apartheid. We actually thought that we were voting for a non racial South Africa where all would be equal and have equal opportunities. How wrong we were. Betrayed by the ANC.

      Spoofed - 2011-01-17 14:28

      @zoidberg so your perfect is it? You have and will never do anything wrong? I wont stoop down to your level of name calling, instead i will just take pity on you...

  • Allin - 2011-01-16 11:42

    He was charismatic, but an ineffectual leader.

      coolwaynie - 2011-01-16 12:16

      Spot on.

      charley - 2011-01-17 14:25

      I agree but he had the decency to step down allbeit for a future moron.

  • popeye - 2011-01-16 11:47


  • notjeffery - 2011-01-16 11:53

    Every single one of you people have proven that this country still needs much work, especially when there are a bunch of people who argue with each other on a news website. Let the old man be, it's what you would want. Focus your energy on helping this country instead of mud slinging each other. You are the problem people.

      WallFly - 2011-01-16 12:10

      Woohoo! Well said.

  • Bonginkosi - 2011-01-16 11:54

    Can't keep a good man down!

  • WallFly - 2011-01-16 11:56

    I wonder how many of these racist comments were posted by people who left SA and are thus doing NOTHING to help it develop and grow. And I wonder if those who are still in SA, who have these negative attitudes (black and white), realise how much damage it does to our growth and development.

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-16 17:36

      I live in SA so point fingers elsewhere! When you are a victim of crime please do not change your attitude towards the ANC, they are of course the saviours of all whites as well. Wake up, your time in SA is numbered just like mine and you are supporting this! At least I don't have the wool pulled over my eyes. - 2011-01-16 20:23

      I dont call it a negative attitude......I call it REALISM {some may call it pessimism} but the facts speak for themslves......and, again I say, sadly so. Its not being racist either-I cant stand the blatant racism that abounds [black and white] on just about every news item on news24. What happened to RATIONALISATION....I suppose in a perfect world....

      Lauren - 2011-01-17 11:33

      Zoidberg, how do you manage to get up in the mornings?

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-17 12:36

      @Lauren - Easily, and always with a clear conscience unlike you. I do not condone rape, murder or death, I will not shed a tear for Mandela either. Why does that make me a bad person, I am sympathetic and compassionate to my fellow people. I have friends who are black and have the same views as me. I know you have your own mind and can vote for who you want, all I am saying is don't let the wool be pulled over your eyes. I would honestly have praised Mandela for his efforts in uniting us but honestly I cannot see that that ever happened.

      Karoobloed - 2011-01-18 18:44

      Zoidberg - if you have black friends who will not shed a tear for the death of Nelson Mandela, I strongly suspect they are white guys wearing make-up.

  • popeye - 2011-01-16 12:23

    @ wallfly He was only in charge for a short while, in which he did a lot to prevent the outbreak of war. It's not his fault that those who came after him made bad decisions. Question: He never came out in the open and critisized his party members in this regard? After leaving politics, he was a million times on big world stages, but never repremand, or critisized the ANC policies... up to today. I'm sorry, if he is called the father of the nation, the messiah or god of our country, only one telephone call to the leaders should solve the problem. but NO, basking in the sun of the the world media, posing to the cream of human society, he failed to finish the good he did many years ago. This is it on him, He deserves some praise, yes, he did lead our country and we felt much safer in his raign as Prez. of the country. He is a better leader than Mbeki and Zuma. But, you cannot start something and just let it allow to go down the drain. He failed our country as a true leader. The Media spotlight became more important than the deeds.

      Allin - 2011-01-16 12:45

      Couldn't agree more!

      phillip.havenga - 2011-01-16 17:48

      @SEMATSATSA I'm afriad I have to bring this to your attention as you seem to be quite deluded, YOU ARE AN IDIOT! Why must your comment degenerate into foul language and inane stupidity?

      Worldwise - 2011-01-16 17:59

      Ah Semarsatsa, another guy with fantasies of screwing a white woman. Beware carpal tunnel syndrome in the forearm. So why are his telephone conversations with the ANC secret and only known to you insiders? Surely if they were so good his spin doctors would have bleated them out to the world? Please get real.

  • IDntKnwWatMyFullNameIs - 2011-01-16 12:24

    Really, this is disgusting.. Half of you sound like bitter old ****, go deal with ur issues in the privacy of your house, hell, you can even teach ur children abt it, but lets see how far it gets you. A person is an individual, so STOP generalising. Grow up, adapt, and keep an open mind and life will be twice as better. I actually laugh and literally make fun of racists coz it only proves how idiotic and bird-minded sum ppl are. But its all up to you so hey. An old man is ill and thats all you people can say? Im not even half the age of the people commenting here, but my concience is twice of what some people are saying here. Madiba I hope you make it through, but if its your turn to die then by the word of God let it be..

  • ColeIamotherRoberts - 2011-01-16 12:24

    I for one will be very sad to see Nelson Mandella pass. In the eyes of most proper humans he is a great hero. The crimes committed (on both sides) during the transition from white rule can't be laid in his lap. Those who are bad mouthing him will not be vindicated by history. South African apartheid stands as one of the ugliest chapters in human history and those who pine for its return cannot possibly expect the rest of the world to accept what they have to say on any subject.

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-16 17:48

      Oooohhh don't start now. Carry on please I think you you just might be getting somewhere like maybe an ass kicking to a European country because I am sorry to say YOU ARE WHITE and that presents itself with a certain stigma, you will always be oppressed in this country no matter if you wear a yellow t-shirt or not. You are playing for the wrong team and deep down I think you know it.

      Karoobloed - 2011-01-18 18:55

      Zoidberg only idiots still play for teams defined by colour, and especially if you live in RSA where your team would then make up less than 10% of the voting population. Worse still, many Whites have moved on from the colour thing, through moral conviction or pragmatism, so your little colour based team is littler still. Despite your bravura, things are not looking rosy for the future eh?

  • - 2011-01-16 12:36

    Ok, this might be his end. Sad for his family. I still do not get it why he is made of as a hero... He was the one that supported Zuma, Malema and the rest of the terrorist ANC to put the country in the situation it is. South Africa NEVER had so many Fraud in government. The only thing he and his comrades did so far, was to open the gates for the biggest cover-up of the ANC's criminal tendencies... - 2011-01-16 17:40

      SEMATSATSA, you are ill my friend... Typical someone trying that will do anything to hide the truth of what is really going on in this country. But... Alas... How can any normal human being expect anything else from a person dealing with the ANC... If you think 1 tap of water and toilet, between 200 houses is good enough while the top elite is buying new cars and enrich themselves and still preach empty promises... You live the life of a lie... You will never know what true human compassion is... The way South Africa is being ruled today, is surely not the way you want your kids to grow up. Or is it??? I am sure you have NO idea what parenthood is all about...

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-16 17:53

      @SemawhateverIthrewupinthetoilet - As was mentioned many times, once you do not know how to counter an argument/debate you lower yourself to the Gutter Mind to try and support your argument which is already feeble. Stop being derogatory when you don't know what to say. Were you not taught in school to base your arguments with facts? Seeing as we don't know JoggieRSA we can't just "assume" he/she was sexually abused, that stuff just does not fly in the modern civilised world that you voted for.

      phillip.havenga - 2011-01-16 17:54

      @SEMTSATSA You continue to confirm that you are a gutter rat with no self respect with your constant derogatory remarks towards others. It is one track minded people like you that cause most of the problems irrelevant of race.

  • MrMojoRising - 2011-01-16 12:37

    I got no hope for this country if the majority of the people is like the people on this board . . . Really, disgusting comments from all races. Why can't we just get along and work together for a brighter future?

      notjeffery - 2011-01-16 14:23

      You are beautiful in your thinking. Amen!

      Zoidberg - 2011-01-16 17:54

      Because the ANC does not want us to, is that good enough?

  • Bianca - 2011-01-16 12:37

    MADIBA is the greatest leader that ever walked on the soil of South Africa and he has done so much through his dedication and willingness to sacrifice his life for the lives of others. And after 27 years of unfairness, he forgave. The world will be empty without him. My heart skip a few beats when I heard he was ill, since I can not imagine life without him. People writting these hurtfull comments has never lost a love one, have never experiene when death take someone that you truly loves and therefore I can only say shame on you. Our deepest thoughts with him. We love you Madiba.

      CPII - 2011-01-16 16:24

      27 years. WTF val jy uit my ding

  • spindoctor - 2011-01-16 12:40

    Ashes to ashes dust to dust

      Tlnb - 2011-01-16 13:28

      Sematsatsa has there not been enough killing what has is gotten the rest of the continent we are the only country that is working yes we have problem but we can only fix them together killing boer what will that fix only to drive us into a war none of us could win peace and love to all south africans

      phillip.havenga - 2011-01-16 17:55

      @SEMTSATSA You are a disgrace to the human race, you sing your song but remember it when you dying in the gutter like the piece of trash that you are. - 2011-01-16 20:30

      The sicko Semat doing his thing again......YOU, and your kind, with your blatant, hateful RACIST attitude, ARE the downfall of this country!