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Marikana: Some shot miners may've been cuffed

2012-11-05 15:27

Rustenburg - Evidence has emerged that some of the 34 Marikana slain may have been shot with their hands cuffed behind their backs.

Advocate Dali Mpofu said during cross examination of police forensic expert, Captain Apollo Jeremiah Mohlaki, that two of the bodies seen in footage from a police video appeared to be lying face down with their hands tied behind them.

In the video, shot at the scene known as Klein Koppie where 18 of the 34 were killed, bodies are seen strewn across the veld and between rocks.

Members of the public, including family members and widows of the deceased, watched in horror as graphic images of the dead were shown.

A ripple of disbelief swept through the auditorium when police videographers were heard laughing as they moved through the bodies.

Earlier, the cries of family members of victims of the 16 August shooting tore through the Rustenburg Civic Centre auditorium, forcing the brief adjournment of proceedings at the Marikana Commission of Inquiry.

This happened after it emerged that the body of Thobile Mpumza, was riddled with 12 bullets.

Family members broke down, leading to commission chairperson Judge Ian Farlam, calling for a brief adjournment.

The commission resumed 10 minutes later, and a resolution was taken that the bodies will be referred to only by the letters they were identified with by forensic experts who investigated the scene.

The hearing continues.

Comments
  • Thebigguyjim - 2012-11-05 13:10

    Maybe JZ can explain how this is different to the apartheid years. Now his police force are the murderers and thugs. The new struggle has started.

      sean.odonnell.1466126 - 2012-11-05 15:30

      My thoughts exactly, Bigguy.

      philemon.ndlovu.5 - 2012-11-05 15:40

      Jim, what are you smoking? This was not murder due to political unrest, and thus has nothing to do with Zuma.

      tim.gordon.5011516 - 2012-11-05 15:47

      How does someone carry a panga and a spear if he is handcuffed? The footage we saw on TV showed a mob, not a bunch of people that were compliant after being arrested.

      marius.vanwyk.5621 - 2012-11-05 15:48

      @Philemon, nothing of any importance has got anything to do with zuma in this country. All he really cares about is himself and keeping people who cares out of Nkandla.

      themba.maseko.568 - 2012-11-05 17:25

      I may be wrong but I still believe that some miners were shot for some reason other than what we saw in the main video. What I saw we're miners charging towards the police and police shooting in reaction. We really need to know the truth about miners shot while handcuffed. We must never forget that there were people killed before the murder of 34 miners.

      mike.mcc.71 - 2012-11-05 17:25

      @tim.gordon, apparently only 18 of the 34 dead were killed in the incident widely seen in the video footage, the rest were killed away from the initial event as police chased them onto the hills. If this evidence is to be believed I think the police are in for a world of hurt over this.

      gert.swart.393 - 2012-11-05 18:04

      This was pilitical unrest stirred by Zuma's opponennts. The police had no choice to shoot. The orgnisers of the strikers should be brought to book and pay for it!!

      blip.noodlum - 2012-11-05 20:54

      When cops shoot handcuffed people in the back, they CHOSE to do that. To say "they had no choice" marks you as a conscienceless moron just as morally bad as any brutal panga-hacker.

      anton.burger.14 - 2012-11-05 21:37

      I'm with Phillemon, I don't like JZ, but I also cannot see how this can be compared to apartheid protest massacres or how Jacob Zuma himself is to blame. Espescially since there was at least some visible threat to some of the police officers before they opened fire, and it's not quite political either. People if you have some objection to the Prez (I have many), at least raise it where it's relevant. It's just rediculous to blame everything that you're not happy about on JZ, whether he's responsible or not.

      mokonyama.khelslehlogonolo - 2012-11-06 03:09

      now is the president's fault. he was nt even there.

  • sanchez.sancho.7 - 2012-11-05 15:33

    so the police cuffed these two okes and let them go while cuffed? thot when you get cuffed you get thrown in the police van. or maybe there is a different shooting that us common folks dont know about?? what were the handcuffed people doing amongst the strikers with their cuffs?

      merven.halo - 2012-11-05 15:51

      They probably ran away when the paw paw hit the fan, no police officer will be so dumb as to shoot the guys on purpose and left the hands tied up.

      pdvermaak - 2012-11-05 15:59

      Make me wonder what happened to the hand cuffs of the policeman that was murdered prior to this shooting, the gun showed up........do I need to go on??

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-11-05 16:04

      Hmm PDVermaak...I had the same line of thought!!

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-11-05 16:34

      hlongwane, sanchez is spot on here, I think you might be the dense one, I reckon if there were any handcuffs they were placed by the thugs after the event, they are just trying to mislead the course of justice, we all saw them charging the police, armed with knives, pangas, even guns, end of story.

      Billy - 2012-11-05 16:36

      those handcuffs belonged to the 2 police the "strikers" hacked to death a few days earlier. they put the cuffs on themselves most likely, left it there to be "funny" or maybe for the cameras, or realised they dont have a key to get it off after fooling around with the cuffs. apt that the 2 with the cuffs from the dead police where then lying face down dead in the dirt.

      Billy - 2012-11-05 16:47

      or!! those 2 were being apprehended by the 2 police earlier the week thats why the 2 policemen were attacked and killed, then they couldnt get the cuffs off.... but we dont know what happend to the 2 police and 8 other people that CAUSED the police response.

      kobie.nel1 - 2012-11-06 09:16

      Remember the policemen that were hacked to death before the shooting. Now, they had handcuffs with them, yes or no??? I've seen a photo of the strikers somewhere where one striker held a set of handcuffs, but he had it loose between his hands. Maybe he try to symbolise something. Also take note that the firearms of those killed policemen were found on the day of the shooting with the strikers, and the days following.

  • asdhasgd - 2012-11-05 15:34

    I'd love to see Zuma explain this. Oh wait... HE CANT BECAUSE HE'S IN ON IT.

      armand.horn.58 - 2012-11-05 15:43

      No he will not explain this. He will say it is a State secret, end of story!

      asdhasgd - 2012-11-05 16:21

      Exactly. anyone who votes ANC should also be charged with murder, since the ANC is murdering it's own people the voters are accomplices. OMG I'M A GENIUS o_o

  • michael.bushes.9 - 2012-11-05 15:35

    "A ripple of disbelief swept through the auditorium when police videographers were heard laughing as they moved through the bodies" Seriously, are whites responsible for this? When are blacks going to be held accountable for their own mismanagement of this once beautiful and promising land? Vote for the Cape Party, for independence. A free, democratic and independent republic for all Capetonians where we can prosper and thrive far away from the madness of South Africa.

      michael.bushes.9 - 2012-11-05 15:46

      Old enough to know that Im not a South African, but a Capetonian, who wants self determination for coloureds and whites far away from the madness of the union building, and crime of johannesburg

      lee.brand.73 - 2012-11-05 15:48

      Sheet. You are the other side of rabid zoomer supporters. What difference does the colour make? They were cops - all colours, maybe even a purple one? Yes - mismanaged but try to get this colour thing out of your head so we can fight the real problem ... The cANCer.

      michael.bushes.9 - 2012-11-05 15:51

      @lee.brand Fine with me with what you said, because you can stay and fight the cANCer in South Africa, while we build our land in the republic of the Cape. Itll be the Switzerland of Africa.

      jaco.faling - 2012-11-05 15:51

      @jacques, not quite your average day at the job, even for a policeman. There were 34 dead people around. Do you think he was listening to Metro FM while filming?

      mzakes.matabata - 2012-11-05 16:14

      Cape town independent of the rest of south africa? you have a better chance of being hit by space junk. DA is doing a good job down there but lets not get ahead of our selves.

      Billy - 2012-11-05 16:40

      lol

      kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-11-05 16:58

      Michael, stop hiding as a coloured man because we all know u r white, don't be a coward man, topic here is about police being blamed not race or politics

      michael.bushes.9 - 2012-11-05 17:09

      @kenny.bianco, WHy label me as a white person? Are you trying to tell me that we as Coloured people are not capable of an opinion? That we are not sick and tired of being excluded by this idiotic government? That our kids cannot find work because of an influx of blacks from the eastern cape? Get real man !

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-11-05 17:20

      Still like the UDI bit....

  • kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-05 15:39

    That is utter B>>S>>. Maybe the wounded were cuffed then died? The police cuued the corpses so their spirits could not get away? I dont believe that one.

  • yolanda.haripersad.1 - 2012-11-05 15:43

    Why is this not reported in context? Why were they cuffed? How did a cuffed person end up in the line of fire?

      mike.mcc.71 - 2012-11-05 17:30

      @yolanda, only 18 of the 34 died at the initial gun battle, the rest died away from that scene as police chased them - if the evidence is to be believed.

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-11-05 15:45

    I state again that this trial is a joke and should even be happening!! It is a waste of time and money. This Advocate Dali Mpofu is clutching at straws here and it sounds like he is just starting to make s*&t up. So a police men run in while the others were shooting and quikcly hand cuffed a few guys and made it out without being shot by the other police men? What a load of rubbish!

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-11-05 15:45

    Nothing like this would have happened if the miners choosed legal ways to protest. They would have been safer underground and at work.

  • hugh.robinson.56 - 2012-11-05 15:46

    Any Physiologist will tell you that the comments passed by the radiographers were likely natural stress relief and not meant to be vile or derogatory. Videoing dead people is no fun so the guy makes light of what he knows is the worst possible situation.

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-11-05 15:48

      Shock reaction - either they laugh or they breakdown and cry - normal reaction

  • Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-11-05 15:49

    Eisshhh, this really does make SA under the ANC regime much worse than feared and worse than under the apartheid regime possibly as well. ANC gone really wrong especially since zuma dumbed it all down. Any "Clever Blacks" out there? or all out in the cold? :D

      sibusiso.hlongwane.92 - 2012-11-05 16:20

      any "non-racist whites" out there? not all blacks are uneducated, you moron. and not all of them vote anc.

      matli.mokoena - 2012-11-05 16:39

      Montagnes, stop looking for attention. Go find hobby as you have clearly misunderstood the point of this forum

      vanzyld - 2012-11-05 20:27

      Oh, the clever ones are BEE, which makes them AA, which makes them politically correct.

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-11-05 16:00

    If you believe this trash you will also believe that the earth is flat and that the moon landing was staged as some conspiracy theorists believe. The defence will try anything to discredit the police. I do not always support the police, but on this one I will because I could see very plainly what happened on the day. These thugs and their advocates are in denial!

  • nhlapop - 2012-11-05 16:01

    I cant wait the respond of Jacob Zuma aka (Zoomer) for this.We all know that he wont comment because hes more focused on what will happen in Mangaung and upgrading of Ikandla. Now his police force are the MURDERES AND THUGS.

  • mandy.komlosy - 2012-11-05 16:04

    Oh please! this is just a lesson in floggin the flipping horse. Im sure that if there had been miners whose hands had been cuffed - we would have heard about it before now and everyone would have been whooping their heads off about it - but now suddenly "IT EMERGES" - what a lot of bullsh#t!

      mike.mcc.71 - 2012-11-05 17:34

      Actually mandy, I remember soon after the dust had settled some supposed survivors claiming that the cops had executed several strikers whilst they were handcuffed or after they had surrendered. I, like pretty much everyone else figured the surviving strikers were talking cr@p to gain favour, who knows, maybe they weren't lying too much after all.

  • petrus.strauss.1 - 2012-11-05 16:08

    What a lot of crap, only by what they showed us on the news you could see no one cuffed and you could see one of the srrikers firing at police. What a lot of hogwash.

      ompi.khang - 2012-11-05 18:10

      Hei ntate! What you saw on that footage it was only less than 100 miners over more than 4000 miners. Stop being prophet of the doom. Listen evidence from commission or you are enjoying the deaths of BLACK people. One day is one day.

  • freddykranz1 - 2012-11-05 16:09

    Ok, so now that they are saying peole had their hands tied or cuffed. How do you expect police to shoot an oncoming brawl of people. Police "Hey Stop right there, lets see if you are cuffed" Come on, they are trying to find any excuse on regard to downing the police. If he had 12 bullets, then he has 12 bullets. Im sure that some others had more in them. They charged the police, with everything in mind to take them down. So the police retaliated on that. Dont get me wrong, i do feel sorry for the families for their loss, but their own family members jeopardized themselves in this.

  • andynct - 2012-11-05 16:17

    Advocate Dali Mpofu SUGGESTED to Captain Apollo Jeremiah Mohlaki, "that two of the bodies seen in footage from a police video appeared to be lying face down with their hands tied behind them." What is the evidence? Postmortem evidence? what did Captain Appollo say? Very unsatisfactory article.

  • zmvulane - 2012-11-05 16:18

    Absolute nonsense!

  • Duncan Colter - 2012-11-05 16:21

    The next finding will be the 34 were lined up with blindfolds and a cigarette.

  • sibusiso.hlongwane.92 - 2012-11-05 16:29

    so when the police are caught robbing, high-jacking, rape or taking a bribe, we quickly declare how corrupt and inept the force is, how they are the biggest bunch of crooks in the country, how useless they are and how vulnerable it leave us as a society (sic). but when they execute a few handcuffed strikers, suddenly we cant believe that they would ever do such a thing. you couldnt make it up...

  • thabo.mkokeli - 2012-11-05 16:37

    so u call SA a \democracy\

  • david.stopforth.5 - 2012-11-05 16:40

    What will the outcome be? Police to be better trained ,widows to be paid so they know the outcome so they are waiting Tax payers money again Blame does not help now the deed has been Done

  • mzwandile.dlamanzi - 2012-11-05 16:41

    The main trick behind police jobs, even making them to behave in such a manner is lack of tertiary education. Statndard ten and that six months course is not enough to drill in proffessionalism. In a nutshell you cant call a policemen a proffessional hence they wont behave like ones. Ethics is the main problem for them. Typical example is that they even smoke ganja even thou its illigal. Some report for work drunk.

  • luvo.luvos - 2012-11-05 16:51

    Can't help but marvel at the \heartfelt compassion\ displayed by our wonderful white countrymen,such supportive and caring darlings they are. Can't imagine this country without their warm support!!

      emile.marais - 2012-11-06 05:12

      Well, when you are called a cockroach, a thief, a settler, an imperialist agent of Capitalism, jealous, middle-class, a racist - enough times and you are told by people from the majority population group this is not your country because you are not 'African' - you start to stop caring and just face the facts of life in post-Apartheid South Africa or emigrate, if you can. Did I mention certain songs calling for people to be shot, and we have a President who sings about machine guns and builds bunkers at taxpayers expense? That is a generalization on my part. Get it? Interpret it how ever you want but don't stereotype a whole group of people due to the individual opinions of other people I don't even know but who happen to share my ethnicity.

  • johan.verwey - 2012-11-05 16:53

    Don't be stupid.............who cuffed them before the shooting? Which mad cop had the courage to go up that hill, cuff two panga wielding hooligans and come back safely? It's obvious that they were cuffed after the shooting. Maybe it was done as a precaution for them not to escape or attack the police.

      sibusiso.hlongwane.92 - 2012-11-05 17:14

      yeah that sounds like a likely explanation. shoot someone 12 times in the back, then handcuff them so they dont run away. or wait, wait! maybe they handcuffed each other, thinking this would both confuse and alarm the police, giving them a the time they need to chop them with their pangas...oh hang on that would be silly.

  • Tello Moleko - 2012-11-05 16:55

    Mzwandile, SAPS have people who are educated more than u think,eg Psychologists,state ADV,auditors,legal advisers and social workers,u sound like young boy on his first year at tertiary,ua first and last person speak about tertiary

      mzwandile.dlamanzi - 2012-11-05 18:21

      Its your opinion, i respect it and please respect mine. For the record those people you are counting are not actually people i reffered to in my comment, i reffered to police who carry the guns to be precise. As for first year student remark, suite yourself there my friend.

  • mart.botha - 2012-11-05 17:03

    The miners tried to get their way by using terror tactics against the police....they in turn (SAPS) were then justified in using maximum force to quell the insurrection and protect themselves, others and property. The miners had already killed and had proved themselves a huge threat. This lawyer for the miners is demented if he thinks his unprovable accusations against the SAPS will provide sufficient smoke screen to derail the truth. Just an aside, the action by poachers near Hermanus which resulted in 7 of your assets (police vehicles) being burned out should have been met by selective culling of ringleaders by SAPS snipers. Our frail democracy cannot withstand criminals demanding to be treated as royal game when in fact they are a risk to national security and law and order.

      sibusiso.hlongwane.92 - 2012-11-05 17:15

      a society gets the police force it deserves, i guess thats us buggered then.

  • mokoena.tumeloabran - 2012-11-05 17:14

    Why the president and the minister op police are so quite about this matter of marikana.I think mr zuma is fearing that South Afrcans are loosing confidence on his leaderdhip now.for him to be distance him self its not going to work for him.Police are so rute and niglegence is their habit.new need change and we want it now

      rodleviton - 2012-11-05 19:11

      Because it's election time again soon and he doesn't want this issue on people's minds when choosing the new President ;) simple as that! He only cares about himself and his friends. He does not care about you or me. I really wish people would start to see and understand that this is the case...But you know, the free t-shirts and food parcels will come rolling out again and the ANC will get voted for once again, which I really don't mind, IF the "leader" was the RIGHT PERSON!!!

  • iwillemse - 2012-11-05 17:23

    Only cuffing i know , is that of Zuma , it is outstanding....

  • iwillemse - 2012-11-05 17:25

    yeah baby , come cuff me... mr advocate.

  • sipho.skepu - 2012-11-05 17:28

    How foolish of you massacre denialists to be lazy to read,you never saw the police video,you saw only the news team video's so don't act as a know it all prophets. Truth will be revealed.

      heidi.oosthuizen.98 - 2012-11-06 08:06

      Again - always the 'victim' mentality. Get over yourselves - you wanted this 'rainbow nation' and 'peace' in 1994 - why can't you get over yourselves?

  • LiveYourOwnLife - 2012-11-05 18:11

    Luvo your comment is a broad generalisation and smacks of racism.

  • peter.t.viljoen - 2012-11-05 18:12

    Oh Teebby, my days have just started! After an initial slump in opportunity, I am now busier more than ever! Respond being that the general level of competence in SA is do poor my expertise is now sought after.

  • tiffany.mclelland.5 - 2012-11-05 18:43

    and all because of one tiny white rabbit...

  • joseph.hayes.1466 - 2012-11-05 19:14

    Now lets see if Jacob Zuma goverment is better than the apartheid goverment< at least they never shot people who where cuffed. The worst struggle is still on the way this time black against black no apartheid bull

      louis.mokonyane - 2012-11-05 19:27

      JZ is worse, how can he hire people with no experience to do the Job, I foresee more danger if he get second term

  • boitumelochristina.ramoadi - 2012-11-05 19:21

    i hc been dis thin of marikana an thought dis ppl dey dnt knw wt 2 say any more miners r wrong coz dey runaway coz da muti didnt work just think if da muti was strong wt should hv happen 2 da police

      heidi.oosthuizen.98 - 2012-11-06 08:11

      please write properly - so that we can actually read your post....

  • louis.mokonyane - 2012-11-05 19:23

    If such a thing really happened then those black police people should be ashamed of being black, I hope they are disgrace before their mothers, how could you do such a horrible thing if really that has happened, have they ever thought that the reason of those people to strike was to better their life n their children's life, then I will guess that public servant (police) are our enemies it won't be wrong when I see a people attacking a police person not help them because they are no use to society, they are murderers caring a gun doesn't make u to be above the law, but what has happened it shows that when you work as a police they will say a gun is meant to kill, If that is so true what goes around comes around

      louis.mokonyane - 2012-11-05 19:56

      If #MarikanaCommission findings are true, Phiyega and Mthethwa must resign for concealing info.they didn't know then they're incompetent\

  • phumudzo.mudzusi - 2012-11-05 19:45

    This must be a joke of an enquiry, ever seen any1 hand cuffed and left alone to continue with his toitoing business? Clap once, this is beyond belief.

  • vanzyld - 2012-11-05 19:52

    A striker: someone who refuses to work before demands are met. A NZA striker: armed with panga and spear, murderer and torturer of security guards; hacker to death of police officers; murderer of workers who refuse to strike; murderer of opposition trade union members; openly threatens the lives of others by stating the intent to murder; openly acts to murder by attacking the police en masse - any where else in the world a common murderer. In NZA - a victim!!

  • vanzyld - 2012-11-05 19:54

    Theory: police cuff 2. Rest attack the police. Police returns fire and kills all including cuffed.

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-11-05 20:51

    Murder most foul.

      merven.halo - 2012-11-06 08:24

      In your dreams.

      vanzyld - 2012-11-06 08:52

      Whose murder most foul - you sound like some kind of 2 bit thug.

  • mokonyama.khelslehlogonolo - 2012-11-06 03:13

    you knw just realisd sumthng. the reason y majority of black people won vote for DA nt coz is a bad politycal party bt because of its supporters.you white people should go back to europe instead of building you buzy breaking.

      rodney.bevan.58 - 2012-11-06 03:27

      And you should crawl back under the rock from whence you came. how quickly and conveniently you forget, if not for the white man, you would be living in mud huts, throwing spears at each other and wearing animal skins. Far from breaking anything down, we brought technology and with the help of black labour, we built this country to what it is. The ANC on the other hand, is hell bent on breaking everything it can lay it's hands on. If not for the likes of Zille, a huge amount of stuff that went on under the apartheid regime would never have made the news. Go back to school and educate yourself before spewing utter nonsense on here. People like you have a damn cheek to call whites racist with the nonsense you just posted. My grandparents were born in SA and you have the gall to tell me I am not a South African?!! Up yours.

      emile.marais - 2012-11-06 05:30

      Both you guys put emotions aside and fight for your country- and for what is right! If blacks wanted whites out they should have done it pre 1994. And if whites want to live in South Africa post 1994 they need to treat blacks with respect! I shouldn't be preaching - THIS IS COMMON SENSE!

      heidi.oosthuizen.98 - 2012-11-06 08:12

      piss off you ignorant racist

      heidi.oosthuizen.98 - 2012-11-06 08:15

      the reason this beautiful country is going to the 'dogs' is because the black race literally breed like rabbits for R300 a month. THIS IS THE ONLY REASON WHY YOU ARE THE MASSES!!! You cannot run a country with low intelligence and high ignorance.

      vanzyld - 2012-11-06 08:53

      Then why don't you go back to your grass hovel and get the @#$% of the internet!

      bobby.boon.18 - 2012-11-06 16:00

      Mokonyama Show me one thing your people have created discovered built without european help Something noteworty please!!

  • heidi.oosthuizen.98 - 2012-11-06 07:58

    Were they not perhaps cuffed because they had just impaled one person with a sharpened steel bar after chopping his head in two with a panga? Or was it perhaps because they chopped up two police officers (while they were alive) and then burnt them? STOP changing the blame and give the police a bit of credit - these murdererous 'victims' are the same ones who come into your house and rape your daughters. And that all for greed.... LET THE POLICE DO THEIR JOBS

  • vanzyld - 2012-11-06 08:58

    What you are witnessing here is the death of law and order. If the police are now considered murderers for upholding the law, and acting in self-defense, then certain as the ruling comes the police will be toothless and no police officer will act to protect a citizen of this country, just for the fear of arresting or killing a thug with ANC connections. You want chaos (not Anarchy) - you will get it. I hope it comes in millions of gallons of blood. Then the Liberals can wring their spastic little hands again and beg for UN intervention.

  • Katriena.LaGrange - 2012-11-06 10:02

    Why carry on with this topic? I mean does anyone care about the hundreds of people murdered on farms. All races of farmers are being killed every day, they same with all the murders that is never solved by our forensics or police as we have to many illegal alliens in South Africa. Now that I also can't understand they are illegal but why aren't they being deported from where they come from. Statistics shows how many and they know where they stay...... Why is our goverment not doing anything about this.....

  • mmoledis - 2012-11-06 14:57

    We do not want apartheid years system operate in democratic years and country like RSA, gone are the days of 16 June 1976 and Sharpvile masacare we need a responsible government taking care of its people and closing the past gap of poor people to super rich, so when people rise their views and then be attacked in an apartheid style by democratic government police then this will then cast doubt to our current government.

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