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We're going to kill one another, miner told cop

2012-10-22 15:46

Rustenburg - “We are going to kill one another today.”

These are the words that Mgcineni Noki, the man in the green blanket leading the Marikana strike, allegedly told a senior police officer before he and 33 other miners were shot dead on 16 August.

Advocate Ishmael Semenya, who is representing the police in the Marikana Commission of Inquiry, which resumed in the Civic Centre this morning, told the sitting that police had made all efforts to end the strike peacefully.

Semenya said police made various attempts to get Lonmin, unions NUM (National Union of Mineworkers) and Amcu (Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union) to negotiate with the striking workers before the fateful events of 16 August.

He said Lonmin had refused to meet the workers, saying it was not prepared to negotiate outside the bargaining regulations, and at some stage, the company also denied that the 3 000 men gathered on a hill in Wonderkop were their employees.

Semenya is leading evidence for the police in the commission, which is attended by police top brass including national police commissioner General Riah Phiyega.

The families of the deceased, who have been bused in from Eastern Cape, Lesotho and Swaziland are also present.

Semenya said shortly after Noki made the chilling statement to police, they had erected barbed wire to stop the protesters from crossing the police line.

But, he said, the protesters managed to break the barrier near a cattle kraal, where they were eventually fired upon with live ammunition - without any instructions - by members of the Tactical Response Unit who felt their lives and those of their colleagues were in danger as the men were charging at them with sharp objects and firearms.

Semenya said 16 of the protesters were killed in the confrontation near the cattle kraal, and two pistols, one which had been stolen from one of the police officers who were killed by the miners days earlier, were recovered on the scene.

Semenya said the protesters wore layers of clothing and covered themselves with blankets to protect themselves from rubber bullets.

The inquiry continues.

Comments
  • Teuneman - 2012-10-22 15:55

    The killing was a bit one sided lol.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-10-22 16:08

      Yep, automatic rifles fired in self-defense against demon-possessed muti drinkers wielding pangas. Oh well, they live and learn.

      chris.gill.9849 - 2012-10-22 16:24

      @Charles, in this case not so much.

      jason.heineberg - 2012-10-22 16:48

      When talking to the cop he probably thought, "That will teach them to take us seriously". Little did he know...

      toofaan.monsoon - 2012-10-22 17:41

      @ Christelle : It's probbably higher than 25 percent. Scary thing is that Greece is in full blown recession and have declared a catastrophic number of job losses. Riots in the streets etc and that was with an unemployment figure of around 20 percent. Think about it. It's actually scary. What South Africa thinks is normal is anything but.

      ChristelleJames - 2012-10-22 17:57

      And Greece was the forerunner for Socialism:-( And we still will not learn!!

      gert.swart.393 - 2012-10-22 20:40

      The Police had no choice. Their lives were in danger.

      heathway.master - 2012-10-22 20:43

      The strikers were intent on cutting the police into small pieces with their traditional weapons such as pangas and axes. I did not think that Chaka Zulus warriors were armed with pangas and axes. The front police line was being overrun. Marikana has become a national tragedy, yet nothing much has been said about the 4.5 million peoples who were massacred during the never ending chaos in the Congo. People’s perceptions and political manipulations will always leave me befuddled.

  • gerhard.bacharach - 2012-10-22 15:56

    Sadly, his prediction came true.

  • Teuneman - 2012-10-22 16:01

    They watched the matrix before the attack on the po po's.

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-10-22 16:09

    He only needed to say "We are going to Kill" and I would have cut loose also. Fancy going to a Gunfight with a knobkerrie? Only in Africa.

  • christian.helberg - 2012-10-22 16:12

    let’s not forget that these thugs had already hacked two policemen and a security guard to death, lets also not forget that there is footage proving that the striking miners fired the first shot. Now I don’t know about you but if I have a weapon in my hand and am being charged by a group of people that had already killed, I would rightfully defend myself.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-10-22 16:44

      And let's go back a little further. The strike was an unprotected one and was not originally about wages but was more a Union tussel. So I don't see why Lonmin Mines had to negotiate with the miners. Just a small spell check for News 24 - Bussed, not bused.

      jaded.oldfart - 2012-10-22 18:07

      @kala.bafazi: sorry, mate, but it is bused. here's the explanation: "Suppose a rock star leaves the west coast and a country singer leaves the east coast traveling on a large transportation vehicle. What is that vehicle called? A bus. What are two such vehicles? Buses. Transported by bus, they have been bused. Or maybe they were transported by love. Then one surely will buss the other on the lips. The second star has then been bussed."

  • rodney.currie.79 - 2012-10-22 16:18

    Live by the sword die by the sword .

      liveby.thesword.1 - 2012-10-22 18:45

      too damn right rodney.....ive got a question....why has the supposed sangoma and jm not been imprisoned for treason...? die by the sword...

  • michael.i.wright - 2012-10-22 16:28

    Well, I guess he was halfway right on that one.

      Brett Danger Gregson - 2012-10-22 17:03

      Comment of the day!

  • maropeng.malatji.7 - 2012-10-22 16:47

    If we allow everyone to kill and destroy property for what there want the country is not going anywhere. There are lot of causulties that we are not talking about them, who just die for nothing but nothing has been said about them. People who not participeting in illigal things are losing hope to our goverment no attention is put on them. Lets not push them to do illigal things... Malatji Maropeng

  • mart.botha - 2012-10-22 16:54

    I still maintain that the police action on that fateful day was quite justified. 33 miners were killed, but have you considered what the head count could have been if the SAPS had really gone 'bos' and out of control. The responsibility for this outcome on the day lies squarely on the shoulders of the miners. This must be the finding of the commission. I will even go as far as to say that their deaths must be ruled as suicide. 'Death by cop' is often the choice made by people who have lost hope, or who have been incited to acts that are out of the norm.

  • Michael - 2012-10-22 17:01

    Well done to SAPS for protecting themselves, it would have been a sad day in this country if our own police had to die while equiped with live amunitions! Thugs will learn to respect police in this country.

  • luvo.luvos - 2012-10-22 17:14

    By all means please do kill each other. The less scum to contend with the better. The dumb quote by this distressed miner by no means represent black thinking as some \clever\ observers will assume in this forum

  • flysouth - 2012-10-22 17:18

    They should now shut down this farce which is trying to pin the blame on the cops. After that statement by the strike leader in particular and other clear evidence on video, even the most stupid person can understand the intent of the strikers - to kill! As for the cops shooting the strikers there should simply be a disciplinary hearing on the grounds of panic-shooting by some cops which was then followed by others, without an audible order to shoot. Count the dead as the inevitable cost of stupidity, gullibility and primitive belief in muti. Eventually one would hope that others will learn from this example how things work in the 21st century.

      magnus.j.vanvuuren - 2012-10-23 08:18

      bravo

  • Craig - 2012-10-22 17:24

    Maybe the Sangoma used the Jamie Oliver recipy for a "bulletproof" sucker soup.... guaranteed to blow them away.

      luvo.luvos - 2012-10-22 18:05

      Nice one dude ha ha ha

      lwazi.mestile - 2012-10-22 18:13

      You are so sarcastic while our beloved brothers we killed like flies.

      magnus.j.vanvuuren - 2012-10-23 08:22

      Iwasi.. grow up or go back to school read the artical again please my brother this my brother that... if you get around my barb wire and run towards me wirh pangas and knopkierie after you have killed a couple of days ago i would also have opened fire on your dumb ass

  • DPMGG - 2012-10-22 17:28

    Dead men tell no tales. Let the deceased rest in peace. It is easy to implicate a deceased person because his side of story will never be heard. What Semenya said is his opening statement not evidence. Let the cops testify and the truth will come out of cross examination. Let us not make conclusions on unchallenged statements made by counsel.fConita Mambaneor now that is hearsay.

  • john.p.steyn - 2012-10-22 17:30

    To everyone who says that the police should not have fired with their service weapons, ask yourself how you would stand up against these guys who had already killed 2 cops? Would you have allowed yourself to be murdered?

  • khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-22 17:40

    We condemned police brutality during the apartheid era, why must we want ANY reason to justify it now? I am trying by all means not to be racist, but by the comments in here whites think the police actions are justifiable, and i hear most of them say they hated apartheid as much becouse it was barbaric, can anyone from the white community tell us now exactly what is it they hated about apartheid?

      craig.s.pepper - 2012-10-22 18:10

      What would you have done in the SAPS place?? Used harsh language..... You would have crapped yourself and cried like a little girl and let these scumbags murder your comrades. Yellow is evidently your colour.

      danita.renecle - 2012-10-22 19:37

      What we hated about Apartheid was the inhumanity of it all. We could not vote the Government out because of the electoral system they put in place. Out of 2million voters they still gained most seats although the head count for them was only 700000. The rest 1million 300 000 could not vote them out. What they did was cheat. They divided their strong holds into small areas each area represented a seat. The liberals which they hated with a passion had large areas which gained only 1 seat. We lived in a Police State, our books and cinema were sensored, the secret police hounded us in churches, whipped Black Sash ladies standing peacefully with placards objecting to the inhumanity towards our black brothers and sisters. The secret police followed the students in English speaking Universities. Our brothers and male family were forced into the army or had to go to jail. Once there, the English speaking boys were treated very harshly and racism was shoved down there throats , morning noon and night. Many are alcoholics today for being forced to kill innocent villagers in Angola. They are still suffering from post traumatic stress. We did not have cell phones, TV for much of the time, nor did we have the internet. The secrecy bill was in place and newspapers were censored. All the Black Sash (Helen Zille was in the Executive of Black Sash) could do was to support and encourage sanctions against SA. When the army boys were used in the Townships, we heard what really was happening.

      AMNewman - 2012-10-22 19:59

      @craig.s.peppper A very large amount of corroborated information is already out there. What is very clear is that there wasn't enough dialogue at Marikana. THE NUM didn't want to talk, Lonmin didn't want to talk and the police were not prepared to force all parties together to start talking AND avoid violence! Perhaps all these incredibly insensitive people who make these aweful comments about a human tragedy are too young to realise what apartheid did to people mentally. You know who you are. Your names are written above the abomnible comments you are prepared to utter! The people killed were not tried for the crime you accuse them of. They didn't deserve to die because they had taken muti or lived in a wretched community. No human life has a price. And no mass of humans are so unreasonable that they will not respond to someone, prepared to make a difference, and listen to them. Get that straight in your own heads and you'll be accepted in any society on this planet. Deny that concept and you'll be considered the polecat that you have been accused of in the past!

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-22 20:59

      @pepper, yellow is not my color, but hey thanks for trying to answer me, and to the two gents, thank you very much.

      andrew.gibbs.1420 - 2012-10-23 06:43

      @AMNewman. If the strikers wanted to talk why did they murder first. If they wanted to talk why did they fire first. Those 10 people killed in the beginning. What crime were they found guilty of. The strikers elevated the level of the conflict. They did not want to talk they wanted to intimidate. Its your attitude of seperating authority and accountability that has moved billions into poverty. (not you personally but I am sure you have made a big contribution) If you knew better you would not be able to sleep.

  • Michael - 2012-10-22 17:53

    There is atendency in this country, that of turning scumbags into heroes, thats why you find people like Malema having many supporters,because he preach the gospel of taking peoples'wealth, and land and money, he never tell people how the so called econimic freedom will be achieved, tenders for him is the only way to get there, or expropriation of someone worked farm wothout compensation, as country we must allow people like this to lead. Now those miners wanted to kill police, and police defended themselves, what wrong with that?

      lwazi.mestile - 2012-10-22 18:05

      Just because no whites were killed you are justifying these killings, do you see the reason why whites will never rule this country again?

  • lukaas.vanhout - 2012-10-22 18:59

    http://www.studylight.org/com/bcc/view.cgi?book=jon&chapter=003

  • lukaas.vanhout - 2012-10-22 19:00

    http://www.studylight.org/com/bcc/view.cgi?book=jon&chapter=003

  • gert.swart.393 - 2012-10-22 20:39

    The Police had no choice. Their lives were in danger.

  • christina.setloboko - 2012-10-23 11:27

    WHAT A FUSS AND STATE RESOURCES WAIST ,THOSE MINERS WANTED TO DIE MOS, SO THEY GOT WHAT THEY DESIRED, FULL STOP.

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