Marikana cop didn't hear gunfire

2012-11-15 22:24

Rustenburg - A crime scene analyst did not hear gunfire from the scene of a second shooting near Lonmin's Marikana mine on 16 August, the Farlam Commission heard on Thursday.

Warrant Officer Patric Thamae told the commission he had arrived at the scene of the first shooting by 16:00.

The second shooting, which took place about 500m from the first, happened around 16:07, according to a timeline presented by the SA Police Service.

The commission is holding public hearings in Rustenburg as part of its investigation into the killing of 34 miners on 16 August.

Some of them, were found dead at Wonderkop, a hilltop near the mine, in North West, and where the strikers had gathered before the shooting. They had been shot by police who were trying to disperse the striking workers.

The commission's chairperson, retired judge Ian Farlam, said Thamae must have been mistaken.

"Either you are mistaken as to the time you got there, or evidence that you did not hear shooting is incorrect," Farlam said.

Thamae was adamant that he heard no shooting, and would not concede that he was mistaken as to his time of arrival.

"Upon my arrival there was no shooting at both scenes."

He then said: "Different firearms make different amounts of noise... If it is a firearm with a low [level of] noise, I wouldn't have [heard it]."

Thamae said a total of 210 rifle bullet cases were recovered at the Wonderkop scene. Thirty-one pistol cartridge cases and 57 shotgun bullet cases were also recovered.

When Thamae arrived at the scene, he also found a pile of traditional weapons, including sticks and pangas, which had been gathered together.

He did not know who had collected them, and proceeded to arrange the weapons neatly and photograph them.

Thamae could also not tell the commission the distance between the police line and the protesters.

He said "it never came to my mind" to ask the distance between the shot protesters and the police firing line.

The commission heard previously that the police had shot in self-defence.

Before the lunch break, the commission viewed video footage of the scene.

The video opened with patches of blood on the grass and shoes lying abandoned.

Blood-soaked bodies were scattered in some places, and in one place there were several corpses clustered together.

Some of the images were graphic, and the families of those killed were given an opportunity to leave the hall if they wished.

There was a branch of thorns caught in the clothing of one of the dead protesters.

Towards the end of the footage, which was filmed about two hours after the shooting, paramedics could be seen attending to the wounded.

Some of the wounded were moving, others were lying still.

The hearing continues on Friday.

  • cza.ziphethe - 2012-11-15 23:30

    It a matter of Mr Plod avoiding a situation where he'll find himself cotradicting himself. He must have arrived around 4

      claudia.meads - 2012-11-16 17:29

      cza.ziphethe, No Mr Dolp, it is a case of a retired judge going senile - he has lost complete control of the "inquiry" - since when is Farlam more of an authority on the weapons used by the police, than the police themselves. Farlam is making a mockery of the very judicial system he is leading - if he has a doubt about the audible range of a weapon, then get an independent expert - or will such an expert perhaps prove that the police are not the villains in this case..??

  • brent.goldwyer - 2012-11-15 23:35

    Watch the video and see that the invisible impi attacked the cops. Stop wasting tax payers money on this BS hearing.

  • sally.lewitt - 2012-11-16 04:09

    .. and the cesspool gets murkier..

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-11-16 04:47

    A bib-apron with "CRIME SCENE EXPERT" written on it surely has got to be the funniest and most inappropriate police garment ever designed. What's next? "BULLET PROOF VEST" or "PADDY WAGON DRIVER"???

  • mshiniboys - 2012-11-16 08:28

    But did he see someone shoot? or did he hear a voice at least? he could be deaf.

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-11-16 08:58

    As jy nie wil hoor nie moet jy voel... nes soos die boere op hul plaase dit elke dag van hul lewe moet.

  • ivan.vanheerden.3 - 2012-11-16 09:30

    Strikers with weapons who blatantly murder and burn cops and security guards deserve to get shot. Maybe when the cops respond to violence with overwhelming force this BS in South Africa will stop. I have no problems with people striking for better conditions, but running around killing and burning people deserves only one response and that is a bullet.

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-11-16 11:15

    I could see from my lazy-boy recliner at home exactly what was happening in Marikana and it is not difficult to see that the murdering miners were at fault. For once the police were doing the right thing. They were protecting their own lives!

  • moses.m.masilela - 2012-11-16 17:58

    God is watching, the lives of the miners will haunt this current leader unless it is changed. no second term for Zuma, he's traumatizing this nation and we are sick of it.

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