Marikana families lose travel funding

2012-10-27 21:09

Johannesburg - The families of the victims of the Marikana killings will no longer receive funds from the department of justice to travel to the Farlam Commission of Inquiry, the department said on Saturday.

"There is no legal basis on which the attendance of the family members or representatives can be sustained on state expense," said justice department spokesperson Mthunzi Mhaga in a statement.

The department had helped pay the travel costs of the families to attend the first session of the inquiry but financing further attendance would be left to the families themselves.

Many of the families of victims are not from North West but other provinces such as the Eastern Cape.

"The attendance of the first session of the commission was mainly based on humanitarian basis as it is important that they understand the primary purpose of the inquiry," Mhaga said.

"Further attendance of the inquiry would be left to the choice of the families themselves."

Legislative basis

He said the department could not continue funding the travel of family members to attend the commission because it had no legislative basis.

If family members were called as witnesses to the commission, their travel expenses would be covered.

The Council for the Advancement of the South African Constitution (Casac) criticised the withdrawal of funding by the department.

"This bizarre decision can only undermine the credibility and integrity of the commission whose primary focus ought to be on the victims of this national tragedy," chair Sipho Pityana said in a statement.

Justice department director general Nonkululeko Sindane made the decision to withdraw assistance to the victims, he said.

He called on President Jacob Zuma and Minister of Justice, Jeff Radebe to reverse Sindane's decision.

"Should this not be done, we call upon Judge Ian Farlam to suspend the proceedings of the inquiry until the participation of the families is guaranteed."

  • francois.smith.7 - 2012-10-27 21:13

    You cannot help these poor people, but you can fork out millions for Zuma and Simelane?

      heathway.master - 2012-10-27 22:12

      Must be a worlds first where the family of murders, and husbands that only have killing on their mind, expect to be treated like royalty. Appears the accepted world norm, that one is responsible for the seeds you sow, does not at all apply in South Africa.The editors will obviously delete this comment immediately, as it is not 200% Politically correct.

      faizieishlah.shabalala - 2012-10-28 05:00

      The lawyers like pigs in a trough will of course be well paid.

      deidre.swanepoel - 2012-10-28 07:25

      i as a taxpayer, that have to pay for these poor people to attend, respectfully decline to do so.

      lesleyb.smit - 2012-10-28 18:21

      It was reported on ETV that one member of each family was apparently being hosted on humanitarian grounds but the cost could not be sustained. What was ALSO reported was that the families asked to be paid the CASH instead of being given transport and accomodation at hotels??!! Do the family members really understand why they are there and do they want to be, if they're asking for the cash? Why do the human rights activists keep sticking their noses in - I don't see the same treatment being given to the families of the policemen/miners who were murdered/hacked to death by these thugs. Were their lives less valuable? We're taking being PC to a whole new level and it's costing an unnecessary fortune which could be better spent elsewhwere!

  • ernest.lwandle - 2012-10-27 21:19

    im realy failing to understand can somebody explain to me wich one is right to cancel the funding or to carryon with it up until when

  • andy.mku.9 - 2012-10-27 21:26

    this is sad news they can afford R20m for Jacob Shower bt they cant afford to transport the families of those murdered victims.mmuso wa rena o fetogile kolobwe oja bana ba one.

  • SharonE - 2012-10-27 21:29

    I honestly can't see why their travel should be funded. They are not material witnesses, they can contribute nothing to the enquiry. The mine should foot the bills for their travel and accommodation, not the taxpayer.

      Jasper Coetzee - 2012-10-27 21:59

      let those who are left behind force the instigators of the violence, the unions, to pay their travel cost. why should us tax payers fit the bill? get those parasitic union members to face the courts and send THEM too, to jail!

      oliphant.mzolisi - 2012-10-27 23:30

      JaspeC . U ar correct boeta the victims belong to the union and they were paying 4 their membership every month therefore it must pay for the traveling and accomodation of the victims families,the union has made a lot of investment with their money,Where ar the investment returns?the union must pay i just saw inpassing that Blade is saying NUM will never be destroyed he is protecting his force Ramaphosa shame.

  • thabani.dube.988 - 2012-10-27 21:30

    In any case why are they attending the meetings since they are not even witnesses? Why is it an issue? They are still going to get the report like everybody afterall.

      wally.williams.148 - 2012-10-28 10:50

      So they can hear for themselves the lies and deceit. May the truth be told. May the true capitalists and the real culprits behind all the current inequality be exposed. Would it? None so blind than he who will not see; none so deaf than he who will not hear! As a country we need to stand together for the better of all and expose these self-enriched mega-billionaires who put the blame on everyone and everything other but themselves.

  • Sithembile Refuge Zikalala - 2012-10-27 21:37

    dis is shamrful to our government, these people lost their loved ones and bread winners. all of them have million question of which they need answers too. this inquiry would at list shade some light and answer those few questions. our government is no longer of the people but that of the fat cats and shower headed individual. I wish one of the ordinary people with a lot of money would come through for these people and pay for their travels and accommodations. Zuma you were suppose to be the president of the poor and the helpless but you have turned out to be the worse president south africa ever had and that is after Apartheid...

      p.borchard - 2012-10-29 08:51

      Sithembile, all the familymembers and friends of all the farmers who have been maimed and killed would also have loved to have their millions of questions answered. They would also have loved to be funded to attend the hearings (which as a rule never materialize because it hardly ever get to that because of shoddy investigation). Why should the Marikana families be funded by us - the unions were the ones instigating this fiasco - they and the sangoma should be liable for funding, not us.

  • khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-27 21:41

    They dont have money for these families? What do they have money for? Funding nkosazane zuma's trip to the oau head office? As south africa's 'contribution' to africa, they'd rather 'contribute' to africa than to south africans. Then let them call on africa to vote for them in 2014.

  • BantuHolomisa2 - 2012-10-27 21:48

    Heartless and callous ANC government!

  • heathway.master - 2012-10-27 22:05

    Must be a world first where the family of murders and those accuses of attempted murder, expect to be treated like royalty. Normally, if a man only has killing on his brain, no sympathy at all is given to his family. Old rule of reap the seeds that you have sown appear not to apply at all in the new South Africa.

  • thembinkosi.v.ngwenya - 2012-10-27 22:07

    The govt has a lot to answer on this case..

  • rofhiwa.ronald.1 - 2012-10-27 22:26

    This realy doesnt make sense why mr ZOOMAN have just received R20m fór his legál cost instead of them. audit lifestyle of our president is urgently needed due to his lavish lifestyle:::ONE:::

  • Mabitsela Maubane - 2012-10-27 22:36

    Lonmin Massacre

  • Mabitsela Maubane - 2012-10-27 22:41

    There is really no legal basis for the families to attend the commission. if anything, why is Lonmin not paying for them?

  • lskosana3 - 2012-10-27 22:45

    Oh yes, this is money to be stolen by the greedy fat cats not to help the poor families who are looking to find closure

  • mzwandile.dlamanzi - 2012-10-27 23:01

    All department budgets are governed by pfma. Which obviously prohibits frutless, wastefu and irregular expenditure.

  • rofhiwa.ronald.1 - 2012-10-27 23:16

    The ANC slogan BETTER LIFE FÓR ALL was only meant to convince people to vote fór them . Now its better life for zuma;s relatives n his bunch of wifes:::ONE:::

  • njdejager - 2012-10-27 23:22

    Why must lonmin pay. They did not tell them to strike? And why must tax payers pay? We did not tell them to strike either. The union can pay. They TOLD them to strike. The end.

      Leonore Engelbrecht - 2012-10-28 08:43

      totally agree with u there!

      kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-10-28 09:54

      The fatboy can foot the bill

  • Dawn Campbell Gibson - 2012-10-27 23:26

    The families were not at the strike, what good will being there do them, they will hear on the news of the outcomes.

  • Neal Sing - 2012-10-27 23:32

    228 miillion for Zuma but nothing for poor people to know how their loved ones died.What a sham!Sorry guys but you still support the useless government.Theres no salvation for you guys!

  • Paul Mphap - 2012-10-28 00:55

    something is cooking here....i personally dont trust this commission...zuma is trying to cover his buddies' mess by appointing commission.

  • phumlani.loliwe - 2012-10-28 01:53

    Let me get this straight...y'all have decided(based on one video footage) that the miners are solely responsible for that massacre and their families should not even hear what really happened? How would u feel if ur relative was shot on the back and the police commissioner just laughs it off? If those miners posed such a threat on those cops on that day, why is it that no cop even got injured?

      phumlani.loliwe - 2012-10-28 07:03

      Thumb me down all u like but what I said is true...

      nkosikhonorman.ludidi - 2012-10-28 11:25

      all you want is to see police being injured and killed because you see them as DOGS,they don't have families,disgusting

  • sefohlelo - 2012-10-28 03:42

    Didn't they know in the first place that there is NO Legislative basis for them to pay for the deceased's families?I thought there was still UBUNTU left in some people...but not anymore,it seems as if our Country is going to the Dogs,the source being Lack of Credible Leadership,starting with the current President who must do the honorable thing by not standing for the Second Term.

  • osama.pascal - 2012-10-28 05:19

    This is ridiculous. We clearly have a one man authoritative state. So it is R20 million for a wealthy Zuma's personal case against 40 odd berieved deserving poor citizens. In terms of socio-economic right in our Constitution, which one between the two primarily deserves financial assistance.

  • Chriskoi1 - 2012-10-28 07:01

    What is it what the famlies can do on the hearing,they can just come and sit and cty thats all.Send them home and they will see in the mail what happen.

  • danny.ranoko - 2012-10-28 07:10

    R20 million has been approved by the presidency for JZ to defend the release of tapes. Budgeting was done but all of a sudden stopped? Do we know how much will Farlam inquiry cost? Lawyers will be paid but they are not affected. Mark my words, this inquiry will fail!

  • Jakkals Venter - 2012-10-28 07:19

    It is a disgrace if my wife was shot in this manner i want to attend the full hearing.Give them the money so that they can have some closure.How long are we going to let this government bully us.

  • vicki.malatse - 2012-10-28 07:20

    Where is NUM?

      mbambo.shi - 2012-10-28 08:52

      Precisely, Vicky. Since the deceased can't contributes from their graves, the gasping NUM washed their hands on thier post loyal members. This tell us exactly, what COSATU's objectives are, conaiving with employers against the employees while milking their not so deep pockets. NUM or COSATU is only interested in looting money from their members. ''Though you walk in the valley, your lump will be seen''. COSATU's days will be numbered after Mangaung. There's only money allocated for Zuma of cause, from the justice system. I wonder, Jeff Radebe once implied, ''Zuma is the only president, who protected the constitution in South Africa'' Double Standards.

  • Balungile Bhalithafa - 2012-10-28 07:25

    To be honest I don't see any reason why should the tax payers keep on funding those families to go and cry on that commision. we have more pressing matters like the state of education in the eastern cape where by grade 12 learners are writting exams whereas they have not been taught since february. Because their educators(temporary) were fired and the gorvenment stated lack of funds as a reason. I say if there is money available put it to better use.

  • Joe Thembinkosi Khosa - 2012-10-28 07:27

    They will hear on tv

  • phoofolo.lebohang - 2012-10-28 07:32

    Thats nonsense, and wasting of money... This commision of theirs its can't raise the dead. The best way its compensate the love ones thats all..

  • sarah.buckhamngwane - 2012-10-28 07:44

    If anyone has to fund the families transportation, its the company of the deceased. Not the tax payer! There are many hungry people out there who need help! It looks like everyone enjoys the states spending money unnecessarily. Even the Unions should put a hand on this....

      kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-10-28 09:47

      Thanx Sarah, you've said it all

  • marilyn.docherty.9 - 2012-10-28 08:15

    Zuma needed the funds for his legal costs! Strange how much money is available for Zuma's very deep pocket!!!!!

      Thanduxolo Galada - 2012-10-28 08:24

      My point exactly! R200m+ is available to Zuma -- is that a necessary expenditure, is that just(ifiable)?

  • anele.mveku - 2012-10-28 08:21

    I personally have nothing against the funding being cancelled. But why dd they give them expectations that they were going to pay? ANC government say one thing and do something else.

      lesleyb.smit - 2012-10-28 18:27

      "ANC government say one thing and do something else" You are so correct ANELE.MVEKU - for 18 Long years now the ANC says one thing but does something else, or nothing at all ............

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-10-28 08:38

    but the state can dole out R22 million to zuma for his legal costs. Thank you for voting anc.

  • mbambo.shi - 2012-10-28 09:11

    These families were wronged by everyone, our corrupt government, justice system, COSATU, SAPS (Armophous Riah Phiyega) and the Employer. It's only fair that they be present during the cause, to meet face-2-face with the felon. Since no one wiil be arrested after this, The Truth and Reconciliation Commission should be lounged, like they did post 1994. Then the families of the deceased be equally compansated, for the pain encured and the loss of income. Ohh!!!, I forgot, compnsation can't happen simple because our tax is only for one man only, The Zuma Kraal in Nkandla.

      bow.hunter.1884 - 2012-10-29 13:43

      Yes it is fair that the families be present. Nobody is preventing them. What is not fair is that my tax money must pay for them to be there.

  • osama.pascal - 2012-10-28 09:35

    PROSECUTE ZUMA CAMPAIGN is needed (for corruption with MILK SHAKE)

  • wally.williams.148 - 2012-10-28 10:47

    I would under normal circumstances condemn wateful expenditure especially when it involves expenses as these; however, when the govt coffers fork out millions on the legal fees obo Hlophe and others, and when legislation is promoted where tax monies are to be used to pay the bail of accused persons, the withdrawal of the funds herein smacks again of injustice. There are facts that the community at large are to become aware of. Strangely enough, now that the funds are not payable I read that Mr Ramaphosa is willing to testify...he has a lot to explain and I hope the REAL TRUTH will surface. Just a pity Manguang is so close.

  • nofikathiniskeyi.eunice - 2012-10-28 11:27

    kazi yintoni efihlwayo ngoku kunuka ukutsha kungoba zizakuyithatha phi imali ezifemely ngoba ubantu ebebaxhasa ngaba babulawa ngamapolisa

  • masello.motana - 2012-10-28 12:41

    sies. u wont get away with this.

  • mbambo.shi - 2012-10-28 20:39

    Since the deceased can't contributes from their graves, the gasping NUM washed their hands on thier post loyal members. This tell us exactly, what COSATU's objectives are, conaiving with employers against the employees while milking their not so deep pockets. NUM or COSATU is only interested in looting money from their members. ''Though you walk in the valley, your lump will be seen''. COSATU's days will be numbered after Mangaung. There's only money allocated for Zuma of cause, from the justice system. I wonder, Jeff Radebe once implied, ''Zuma is the only president, who protected the constitution in South Africa'' Double Standards.

  • quintin.beukes73 - 2012-10-29 07:41

    Sipho Pityana what are you on about. Good God man, if my brother or child or uncle gets shot by anyone, I don't get money from the state to attend a trial (which in this case is proposterous to begin with), What can the families contribute to the hearings??? Only to incite more circus acts, they are only there to see what bhenefit they could reap from the mines or SAPS. Friggin ingrates! Bizoz included. Put him in uniform and send him to a strike action to sort out things in a politically correct manner! Damn hedons!!!

  • bow.hunter.1884 - 2012-10-29 13:38

    Didn't fatboy malema boast that he is there for the miners? Why doesn't he pay. Come on - fatboy, a promise is a promise.

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