Marikana miners refuse peace pact

2012-09-05 18:13

Rustenburg - Striking workers at Lonmin's Marikana mine, in the North West, on Wednesday rejected the notion of a peace pact until their demands were met.

"We don't want to hear anything about a peace accord. We want R12 500 and the closing down of that shaft," worker representative Xolani Nzuza told the miners after talks with management.

He was addressing them in a field opposite the mine after the protesters returned from a march to the company's mine in Karee.

Nzuza said until Lonmin closed the K3 shaft, where most of the mine's operations took place, they would not leave. The protesters were told to go home for a few hours and gather in the field later on Wednesday night.

Death threats

Earlier, the marchers threatened to kill Lonmin management unless it stopped operations at the platinum mine.

The strikers, carrying knobkerries, sticks, and iron rods, pushed their way through police barricades as they marched more than 5km through Marikana to the Karee mine.

While they marched, they sang: "We died because of [President Jacob] Zuma. [UDM leader Bantu] Holomisa please come and rescue us."

They also carried placards bearing pictures of their dead colleagues - mostly of Mgcineni Noki.

Noki, 30, nicknamed "Mambush" after former Mamelodi Sundowns player Daniel "Mambush" Mudau, would be the last of the miners killed at Marikana to be buried. The funeral would be held at his home village Mqanduli, outside Mthatha, at the weekend.

Noki and 33 other miners were killed on August 16 when police fired on a group of protesters near the mine. Another 10 people were killed in the preceding week, including two policemen and two security guards.

'Viva R12 500. Viva'

"We called him Mambush because of his soccer skills. He died for our cause," said Noki's friend Xolani Nzuza.

"He never backed down or lost hope. He believed that we will get what we are fighting [for] as long as we do not lose hope."

AP reported earlier that Noki was shot in the foot on August 16 and was taken to the Andrew Saffy hospital, which is owned by Lonmin.

"Police then went to the hospital and dragged him away. They beat him up and they killed him. We found him in the mortuary," Xolani Mzuzu, a striking miner, told The Associated Press.

On their way to the Karee mine on Wednesday, the miners passed the Karee West informal settlement. Its residents cheered in support. Men whistled, women ululated, and they shouted: "Viva R12 500. Viva".

The police took up position about 500 metres from the mine's entrance gate, and kept a close watch. Two helicopters circled overhead.

Central Methodist Church Bishop Paul Verryn urged police to allow the workers' representatives to speak to management.

Five representatives of the workers told mine manager Jan Thirion that management had Wednesday and Thursday to close the mine's K3 shaft, or they would end up dead and the mine would be burnt down.


Thirion, who arrived at the gate escorted by two bodyguards, told the representatives to go back to the negotiating table and sign the peace accord.

"Violence doesn't solve anything. It is not in anyone's interest."

Afterwards, Verryn said mine management's approach was obscene. They should have allowed the representatives into the mine for talks, instead of speaking to them through a gate.

"Until the [workers' living and wage] situation changes, there won't be peace."

Workers had been on strike for the past three weeks, demanding a monthly salary of R12 500.

On Tuesday, about 200 mineworkers met at the Karee mine's shaft 30, and tried to get their colleagues to stop working. Another march was then planned for Wednesday morning.

Police in armoured vehicles kept an eye on the Nkaneng squatter camp at Wonderkop, near the Marikana mine.

Talks between worker representatives, unions, the labour department, and management resumed in Rustenburg on Wednesday.

  • christelle.james.7 - 2012-09-05 18:22

    Oh dear - now Holomisa is their saviour - Im sorry, but if the above is their attitude, they have to face the consequences!

  • danny.zulu.79 - 2012-09-05 18:24

    Viva economic freedom viva.

      okonkwo7 - 2012-09-05 18:28

      Viva Mambush Viva!

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-06 07:43

      VIVA trying to sustain being paid R12500 from a shaft that is closed down

  • danny.zulu.79 - 2012-09-05 18:24

    Viva economic freedom viva.

      dewald.marais.77 - 2012-09-05 19:08

      Evening Danny,\r\n\r\nPlease explain the concept of economical freedom as I do not know the meaning, I also do not know anybody who has so-called economical freedom...Please also explain how the actions of these miners will bring about the economical freedom you speak of? How can I achieve economical freedom - whatever it is - sounds good I want it to, what must I do?\r\n\r\nSincerely

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 19:14

      Dewald, it means you must grab a branch off the nearest tree, stick it in the air, dance and protest, and make demands that are totally out of proportion to your level of skills. Hard work and work ethics don't come into the equation.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-09-05 19:16

      Dewald, you are wasting your time. You will never ask an intelligent question to "questionable posts" on these forums and get an intelligent answer

      lara.vanrooyen.1 - 2012-09-05 19:20

      Viva, starvation viva!

      dewald.marais.77 - 2012-09-05 19:30

      @Irene - thank you for taking the time to explain. Economic freedom does not actually sound that appealing anymore.

  • ntsunyane.frederick - 2012-09-05 18:25

    Money first peace later!!!.I think life of a person is important than money.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-09-05 19:18

      frederick, you cannot do that. What about the next time, and the next. This is terrorism and you cannot negotiate with a terrorist.

      anakin.skyvader - 2012-09-05 19:29

      How do you negotiate with a bloodthirsty screaming and chanting armed mob?

      ntsunyane.frederick - 2012-09-05 19:40

      i am just suprised by people who refuse to sign peace accord before R12500.You misinterpreted me.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-09-05 20:11

      No one misunderstood you, you wrote and I quote "Money first peace later!!!." If that is not what you meant then you should have written what you meant to say.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-09-05 20:19

      Then I apologise Frederick - I did misinterpreted you - and then yes, you are right - sorrreeeee

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-06 07:44

      Kevin. He is being sarcastic. Dont worry Ntsu I understand what you mean.

  • robert.doyle.712 - 2012-09-05 18:26

    Zoombabwe here we come.

      danny.zulu.79 - 2012-09-05 18:28

      Zimbabwe is a great country, to hail with stupid comment.

      danny.zulu.79 - 2012-09-05 18:28

      Zimbabwe is a great country, to hail with stupid comment.

      Abel Sbia - 2012-09-05 18:32

      maybe the police must use bombs now

      Morne - 2012-09-05 18:35

      Viva poverty, Viva!

      hsebolelo - 2012-09-05 18:51

      Bcos a few people striked then ..we ll b zim\r\n In zimbabwe they chased the farmers

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-09-05 18:51

      Danny, why don't you move to Zimbabwe.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 19:16

      hsebolelo ~ As is to be expected you are missing the point entirely. The strikers and the farm thieves of zimBOBwe have the same mentality.

      anakin.skyvader - 2012-09-05 19:35

      @danny.zulu.79 "to hail with stupid comment"...learn to spell first, also uncle Bob's Zanu-PF could use your "skills"...your grasshoppers friends ate all the grain and seed and stripped the land bare and now they don't know what to do...eish.

      Cameron - 2012-09-05 19:49

      @Danny- u My friends are the definition of STUPID!

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-09-05 20:15

      Danny. Zulu if it is a great country, go and live there. 80% unemployment, electricity occasionally, sewerage flowing in the streets and water that is unfit to drink as it causes cholera. If thats not enough they have a corrupt police force that extorts bribes at every roadblock. Oh and if you want vote the corrupt ZANU PF out of Government they will beat you and possilbly kill you. Please go and live there and don't come back.

  • rowan.maulson - 2012-09-05 18:30

    Fire the lot of these cretins... then arrest the ringleaders for threatening to murder. Hardline approach is the only thing that will teach these ungrateful sods in my opinion.

  • rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-09-05 18:30

    Remember, this time around, do not kill the rabbit ... then the bullets will not harm you when you attack the Police. Idiots. "The (released) miners were warned not to participate in illegal gatherings and to refrain from carrying illegal firearms." And many of them aren't even Lonmin employees! And they threatened Lonmin management! This looks to me like enough justification for SAPS action - ready the sharp-point ammo!!

  • chanki.modise - 2012-09-05 18:42

    Even if they shoot you don't stop comrades viva r12500 viva' one of the shareholders bought r18mil rhino for what.that rhino won't dig a ground for platinum viva comrades viva

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-05 19:27

      Wonder if that mouth of urs would be so big if it was u being shot at huh?

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-05 18:43

    F#ck the lot of em! Sack them all and start again. When they come to burn down the mine and kill the willing workers. SHOOT the damn lot!!! This sort of barbarism can not be tollerated!!

  • okonkwo7 - 2012-09-05 18:44

    @morne, we are used to poverty by now! Viva Mambush Viva

  • bryan.v.heerden - 2012-09-05 18:45

    What I don't get, they all signed their employment contracts agreeing to the current wage, now its not enough? Then quit, there are lots of unemployed miners nationwide that will work for their current wage. Fire the lot of em.

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-05 19:13

      Byran they never sign any wage agreement that useless union num did.where is that bloody union now drink coffee with management sis man

  • joseph.mgema - 2012-09-05 18:49

    This marikana thing it gets deep into my nerv real i know they are fighting for better salaries but its too much now..why they should just go back to work everything will be sort out while they are working thats all

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 19:19

      Joseph ~ They're not interested in working. They prefer creating chaos and when the mine closes and they're left with no work and no money they might think again about how to 'negotiate'.

  • bryan.v.heerden - 2012-09-05 18:49

    Let's remember the 2 security guards and 2 policemen that were murdered. They started the killing first, the police were just repaying the favour.

      eddie.serane - 2012-09-05 19:13

      2 security guards 2 police officers what about 34 miners

      Cameron - 2012-09-05 19:50

      @Eddie the miner brought it on themselves you moron!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 20:06

      @Eddie ~ If the 34 miners hadn't hacked the 2 security guards and 2 police officers, maybe they'd still be around to tell the tale. Well done SAPS!

  • mkhindana.peter - 2012-09-05 18:56

    I'm starting to think that these miners are just seeking for attention.

  • pisciotta - 2012-09-05 18:57

    Let them stay on the mountain. But do NOT give them food nor water. Give it a week maybe two - then put their bodies undergound once and for all.

      Michael - 2012-09-05 19:16

      Someone is giving them food and drinks, this miners are being used by FYL. this issue is deeper than we think, someone is trying to start chaos in the country.

      sbusiso.thabethe.92 - 2012-09-05 19:21

      You sick,shame on you

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 20:07

      @Michael ~ I reckon it's fat boy himself. @sbusiso ~ Naaah, PJP isn't sick. He just sees the value of these thugs.

  • druza.hendriekmashegoana - 2012-09-05 19:03

    The management of all mining industry

  • irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 19:12

    Fire the scum and give the miners from Aurora their jobs. They'd be more than happy with whatever salary they got after been cheated by Zooomer and Mandela family.

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-05 19:48

      Ifp member I guess

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 20:08

      @Chanki ~ What difference does it make what political party I belong to moron? How does that change the situation? Think pal, think. You've got a brain, now use it or must somebody else do that for you too?

  • eddie.serane - 2012-09-05 19:18

    The mangment should give dem what they demand they are used to use other pple as slaves \VIVA 12500 VIVA\

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 19:21

      LOL! So you think these miners deserve to earn more than say teachers who have spent years studying? Don't think so. By the way, the more you 'DEMAND' the less you're likely to get. 'NEGOTIATIONS' don't work like that. I hope they all get fired.

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-05 19:24

      Viva no brains! Viva!

  • anakin.skyvader - 2012-09-05 19:21

    Why are the protesters armed yet again? All I can suggest to the SAPS this time round is to be very careful-wear bulletproof vests and consider dropping waterbombs if it starts to get out of hand. And videotape everything, from the helicopters as well as on the ground - video footage doesn't lie. I foresee a big potential disaster here if things don't cool down very soon. I also suspect there is a militant element in all of this, driving the situation into a confrontation again eg. what's with the closing of a shaft all of a sudden? Is it a diversion tactic? I really do hope this situation can be resolved before yet more damage is done. The protesters must negotiate and leave all their weapons at home.

  • deon.jansevanrensburg.58 - 2012-09-05 19:29

    Close the mine - easy as that, it's not complicated. Lonmin had financial concerns before the strike started and I'm getting the impression that they will never be able to recover - so walk away. Nationalise the mine - give Malema what he wants. Let the militant idiots take over the management and let the end result be an Aurora. It is time for Africans to realise there are consequences to their actions and choices. Bring the chaos, bring the poverty, bring the mayhem - I have no more compassion or empathy.

      madise.paul - 2012-09-05 19:44

      That 'd help much as miners will get a living salary!

      madise.paul - 2012-09-05 19:45

      That 'd help much as miners will get a living salary!

      Cameron - 2012-09-05 19:54

      U are obviously very ignorant and a little thick to be honest with u Madisa if u actually believe that any south africans will benefit if mines are nationalized. The rich politicians and friends will get richer and the poor will get poorer...simple as!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 20:10

      Ooops! Seems like paul.madise is another one of those 'klevah ones'. Unbelievable!

  • bongani.nsele.58 - 2012-09-05 19:33

    these african minerals can be mined in a thousand years time to come for future african children, meantime these so called investors can go and invest in new coalfields in england, they are listed in the london stock exchange anywhere

      Theuns Jacobs - 2012-09-05 19:42

      yeah bongani, like the diamonds and the money, and the coal, and the apartheid...everything will last forever. just show your idiotic thinking because you didnt work for anything, or are you just going to move on to the next country and be a cockroaches there??

      renny.meere - 2012-09-05 19:44

      yeah just like zimbabwe, you fool..

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-05 19:44

      Viva comrades and remember 90% of platinum in whole world is in south africa 70% of still in south africa and the whole other minerals.they only have office in england no platinum.they can go will left with our minerals viva comrades viva

      Conrad Janse van Rensburg - 2012-09-05 19:56

      You blatant uneducated fool!!!! Do you know nothing??!!?? See the comments from the mining minister about what we earn from the mines through taxes ect. We get the benefit, only we share it with those that are willing to give money to materialize the wealth. Not any of you idiots had the money to set up the operations, so how the hell do you make this demands. Wake up, the world do not owe you anything because of your race!!!

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-05 20:00

      Renny this is south africa not zim you white people sucks big time.china japan they don't have white people and they manage

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 20:12

      @Chankie ~ Don't forget you're talking about China and Japan and not blacks in South Africa. Different mindset. Different mentality. Different work ethic. You must compare apples with apples before making ridiculous assumptions.

      Wolflock - 2012-09-06 06:23

      Actually Chanki. You are VERY wrong. China is desperate for white english teachers (I would know, I am going there to teach in 2 months time and will be getting a pretty good salary). If they did not need "white people" as you so put it, then why are they so desperate to invest and trade with WHITE COUNTRIES? Same with Japan, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, etc.

  • madise.paul - 2012-09-05 19:38

    Im sick and tired with these white bosses who think can play god with poor people....BLAIR KEEP YOUR BRITAIN AND 'WE' LL KEEP OUR MINES!!

      Watkykj - 2012-09-05 19:42

      I'm sick and tired of this I'm entitled, just give me attitude the majority have in this country!!

      julio.sanfona - 2012-09-05 19:48

      Madise, you must at least thank Blair's forefathers for showing your forefathers the worth of these minerals and how to get them out of the ground.

      Conrad Janse van Rensburg - 2012-09-05 20:05

      Hey, careful with your 'whites' comment. British and afrikaans people are definitely NOT the same. We are south africans, and feel the same about the british as you, look at our history. So show respect to your fellow white south africans and dont call us the same as the british

      gerry.gee.39 - 2012-09-05 20:46

      Imbecile (google it)

  • allan.grant.142 - 2012-09-05 19:41

    They can threaten management but shoot 1 of them and o shame bunch of apes

  • tiaan.truter - 2012-09-05 19:43

    Dont want 2 hear about peace,maybe the sound of gun fire would be music to your ears ?

      gerry.gee.39 - 2012-09-05 20:48

      I have a 465 Rigby, makes a helluva nice sound. And a big mess :)

  • Andre - 2012-09-05 19:44

    You have ton understand that the forces behind this strike does not care about the workers in the least. They are inciting the miners to appease their own political agenda and the miners are too incited to think for themselves. Should the mine close, which is very possible, they all lose their jobs. The police should take control of the situation and sort out the trouble makers. This is not good for the workers and not good for SA!

  • george.pito - 2012-09-05 19:45

    Welcome to democracy ANC. The ANC now faces the same medicine they used. In a way I think it is good they are learning now that its not black or white but the way you act. The salary increase are being fumed by the unions and people like Malema. The untrained promoted bee police now need to show what if they can manage this situation. Thee mine with its BEE partners now faces the fury of this monster created.

  • Theuns Jacobs - 2012-09-05 19:46

    i am sick and tired of these blacks who just demands and the rest of the country must jump. mugabe, take your scum back !! and leave the competent ppl in charge

      bryan.billy2 - 2012-09-05 20:00

      u Jacobs u are confused hw cn u involve Mugabe in Marikana crisis does he (Mugabe) hv a hand in S.A leadership thus ur abnormal nd un controlable rights of urs u pple which causes ths.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 20:14

      If you're not capable of spelling, how is anyone remotely able to understand what you're jabbering about? If you want credibility, get an education. This isn't MixIt.

  • Zahir - 2012-09-05 19:50

    Malema can pay them the R12500 from his tenders otherwise they going to get all fired

  • sifiso.msimango - 2012-09-05 19:55

    these two stupid mineowners & union leaders are not educated at all if they fail to distinguish a simple difference between peace talks and wage hike. if they learned more about peace talks, they must shoot straight to syria where they will be warm welcomed. here miners just want minimum of 12.5 grand salary thats it. these two idiots must go back to school and demand their school fees.

  • Nkosiyam Maxhegwana - 2012-09-05 19:56

    R12 500 it's a small Money on that mine, qha Iinkokheli ze Anc zine shares pha, Umongameli uthule cwaka, Yi*** nje yena Silamba we Need, Those white owners there, on that mine, they took our land & that is our mine too that one, Lol & they show us Money. So now Black people need money not pi nuts, We need Money>:O

      Conrad Janse van Rensburg - 2012-09-05 19:58

      And seems like you want it for free?

      Nkosiyam Maxhegwana - 2012-09-05 20:17

      if it takes they must give us our land black & go away, we sick & tired of the story about the Investors they gonna pull their money. they must go on

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 20:17

      @Nkosiyam ~ It has NOTHING to do with what money the mine makes WHATSOEVER. It's about being paid money for the type of job that gets done. So if Vodacom or MTN make more than the mine does that mean everyone must be paid according to the money the companies make or according to their skills level? Think!

      Lethabo - 2012-09-05 20:33

      @nkosiyam what a racist you are we work hard to earn good money one have to be educated and well skilled to earn more....unskilled labourers dont earn more regardless of the work load

  • Conrad Janse van Rensburg - 2012-09-05 19:58

    This will be the start of extreme poverty. Go look at how well this behaviour worked in Zim.

  • erhardvz - 2012-09-05 19:59

    Close the mine down.... permanently. Please do not accommodate semi-skilled illiterates. These "workers" should know how precious a wage really is.

  • sylvia.hiepnervrielink - 2012-09-05 19:59

    I am a white person living in South Africa. Maybe I am stupid but I do not know what this is all about. The miners are demanding a minimum salary of R12.500 per month. This is more than the majority of white people are earning. They are willing to kill for this. As I see it they have been brain washed and have totally unrealistic ideas of what is going on in the world. They think they are disadvantaged ... what a lot of crap! As long as the present government can keep up the illusion for them, the longer they will think that way. Do they not understand that the ANC will do everything in their power to make them believe that they have a raw deal. That way they will have their votes. The government want to keep you poor and wanting. That is the only way they keep control over you (the masses). They feed you with unrealistic ideas. We all work hard for our money and to make ends meet. The government wants you to believe that everything is easy for the whites. Believe me, it is not, and it never was! We struggle from pay day to pay day. However that does not entice us to violence. We live by the principle "what you sow you will reap". So we carry on working and at the end of the day we reap our benefits. We can save some money and buy the things that we would like to have. We work and we can maybe afford a holiday. We work and we may be able to put our kids through university. Nothing is easy, it all depends on what you are prepared to put in.

      Theuns Jacobs - 2012-09-05 20:07

      @ sylvia. amen. we also keep our dicks in our pants to ensure that we can look after our kids. we dont act like rabbits just to get government grant!!!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-05 20:19

      Exactly and very well put. Now if only the miners and their supporters had the reasoning ability to understand this.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-05 20:40

      How does one get to know "the majority of whites" in South Africa, and what their salaries are?

      john.matuludi.3 - 2012-09-05 20:53

      Ok sylvia.hiepnervrielink , if that is the case then how do you manage to pay rent for the house,the car,insurances, and don't forget that in your customs you always take the family out for supper almost every week , so for someone like the marikana miners taking home only R4500 month can't manage to afford that life style which is the reason why they insist on R12500. If the majority of whites don't get that salary it doesn't mean that the miners are not entitled to it. I think we must shift the mindset we have that black people are from squadder camps and they should only work to put foods on the table.

      Goboza Mashaba - 2012-09-05 22:06

      You are just as ignorant and dumb as all this morons! You dont have a single clue of what this miners are going through! its more than working hard. this people are digging deep into the core of the earth just for a mere R4500 while Lomnin is making trillions of rands annually. If they were human enough, they can afford a 12500 or more and it wont even make 10% of what they are taking to London!

      heibrin.venter - 2012-09-06 03:40

      @Goboza: '...while Lomnin is making trillions of rands annually.' I wonder who is the ignorant and dumb one. Lonmin is a struggling miner, they make a few hundred million a year, not trillions. Further, it has been proven that the 4500 p/m is b*llsh*t, so why in the world do you keep on about it?? Must be the dumb ignorance.

  • renier.lubbe.7 - 2012-09-05 20:02

    All this additional violent attitude can be attributed to malema. Deploy robots (I know it will be difficult.) and tell malema to feed the miners and their families. However if there are miners at other mines that get R 12 500 for the same job these miners should get the same salary as well. If the mine cannot afford it close the mine as it then is not an economically viable operation if it is operated at a loss.

  • Teuneman - 2012-09-05 20:03

    Get a confetti canon and blast them with employment termination letters and transfer workers from other mines.

  • zandernh - 2012-09-05 20:05

    To the illegal striking miners: Sh*t in one hand, and wish in the other - see which weighs more.

  • sylvia.hiepnervrielink - 2012-09-05 20:30

    To all the miners. You have totally unrealistic demands. Most of the "whites" do not earn what you are demanding. Its only your own government people and their families who are earning salaries in that region and above. The average South African "white" person does not earn a salary like that. You have been brainwashed by people like Julius Malema. He has never performed a day's work in his life. He is a parasite who lives off people like you. You are feeding his expensive habits, prostitutes (including his whites prostitutes that you are paying for), clothes, etc. He does not care about your hardships, he only thinks about what he can get from your misery. There are many people who want to proceed with this country and give every one a chance. They want to build South Africa for all the people in it, including you! They realise the mistakes that have been made in the past and they want to rectify those mistakes for the good of everyone, black,white,coloured, asian, or whatever. We are all people living in one country. What do you want to do? Go forward and achieve a common goal or live in the past and destroy this country. You (the black people) are stuck here and die in poverty, or you can together with all the other people build this country in the world's strongest country/continent in the world. Its basically up to you, the "whites", "indian", "asian", people can leave this country, but you can't. What is it you will left after they all leave..... nothing

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-05 20:35

      who appointed this idiot spokesperson of anyone? I have friends who are not white, who live in Britain. Get off your high horse

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-05 20:57

      Jannie, take your head out of your jammergat first and we can talk

      Goboza Mashaba - 2012-09-05 21:50

      you are just a dumb ass idiot who dont know what happening in our country. dont just comment for the sake of commenting. people like you will forever remain slaves! sies maan!

  • heibrin.venter - 2012-09-06 03:28

    I sometimes wish the company in question (in this case, Lonmin), would simply shut their doors and close up shop. Let the impact of it be felt through-out the striker's community for half a year or so, then maybe they'll realize that they need them more than the company needs them. Harsh but it would go a very, very long way towards showing the other side.

  • ammpike - 2012-09-06 07:00

    I can see on this comments here some whites are very bitter that black have rights and apartheid is no more I am sorry to say this I never thought I will say this the negotiations we had b4 1994 was useless coz some white idiots were never committed to peace and share the wealth of the country that's why we have such comments of some racist greedy whites to them they wish blacks can stay in shacks and die poor they have no respect for black life as long as they can use them for cheap labour or slavery we need the arm straggle drive this racist evil whites out of this country and stay with the whites that are willing to share the wealth and are willing to live with other races in harmony and respect each other its good news24 came up with this forum so we may see where we stand with some of this greedy racist white pig peace is not the solution in SA as I see it we need to be at war with this racist whites my only worry innocent whites that are committed to this country and its people will be affected my wish is to drive this racist evil whites into exile and never to return and then peace will reign in SA

      winifred.watson.9 - 2012-09-06 13:27

      You show us one black country where there is peace. Just take a look at africa. Never mind the whites you detest, you think all blacks can live in harmony each sharing in everything. Take a look who is currently ruling the country, just see how much sharing they are doing. Each and every minister from top to the lowest are self enriched. If it were possible you would get a shock of how many business's or directors/ shareholders these people have amassed for themselves. When you take off your rose coloured glasses you will see that whites are not the pigs you call us. Just look and see how many white people give up their time to go into the townships and help the poor supplying food and blankets to keep them warm. How often to you see them raising money to help this or that. Ask the black elite to help, ha ha now thats another story. I help to raise money for various charities, try getting a black person to donate, infact we dont even ask them to buy a raffle ticket anymore. We voted for a true democracy and we do want to see the poor uplifted thats why we are fighting against corruption and fraud by government. We dont believe that demanding to extent of being barbaric solves any problems. Do you feel proud when you see these miiners wielding pangas etc for all the world to see. I might be white, but I was born a south african, I did'nt have a choice when it came to skin colour, my parents and grand parents are truly south african, albeit pigs to you.

  • ro.jhb.1 - 2012-09-06 07:53

    How can you demand money and the closing of a shaft? I fear they are products of ANC education or is it spelt edukasin!

  • sandy.kroukamp - 2012-09-06 12:05

    Demanding increases at the mine,...... otherwise I destroy everything, exactly the same as schools that are build and burnt down cause we get mad etc, where does one draw the line..what is this country becoming..

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-09-06 12:29

    There is this culture that has come with the change of government that I demand is the order of the day. I demand free house, free car, free food free school, free petrol, free medical aid free this free that. This has erupted from political parties making promises that are not sustainable. Until such time that people are properly educated in the ways of the world we are going to forever have this problem. Its time to start showing them programmes of computerised machinery that is taking over jobs, hammer this home in all places of work including in banks where people tend to stand in long queues. Start educating them, show them how to take pride in their jobs, this is a huge problem with the majority. No pride, only expectations. Its not what I CAN DO for you, its what you MUST do for me, is the attitude. How many of us find ourselves turned away because of some one who is too lazy to go and check up stairs or downstairs, often too lazy to bend down. Education is needed in the work places and this is our failure. This I demand nonsense must stop, the Unions are also to blame for this type of thing for a long time now, they are also guilty of inciting workers to serve their purpose.

  • rebaone.keameditse - 2012-09-06 17:22

    Karl Max once said ''the biggest enemy of Capitalism is Capitalism itself'' he continued by saying they are their own grave diggers. Is this the Manefistation of his Prediction?

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