Mayor to tackle Pretoria name issue

2012-03-26 14:38

Pretoria – The issue of Pretoria's name change is expected to top the agenda in mayor Kgosientso Ramokgopa's state of the city address on Tuesday.

The mayor's speech was expected to reveal whether Pretoria would be retained as the name of the city and Tshwane used as the name of the municipality, the Pretoria News reported on Monday.

At the last council meeting, Ramokgopa said all political parties would be consulted in the discussions on these and other name changes.

He said new names chosen would include those who played prominent roles in the liberation struggle.

Ramokgopa was also expected to focus on housing, infrastructure development, the implementation of the Bus Rapid Transit system and crime prevention.

On Tuesday there will be several road closures around the city hall.

Numerous public viewing areas have been set up across the city for residents to watch the speech.

  • The-third - 2012-03-26 14:43

    Would be nice if people gave 10% the amount of attention to fixing municipal services than they do to "changing names".

      Gary - 2012-03-26 15:18

      exactly. What about building new areas and new housing and naming those roads after "struggle heroes" than finding new ways to waste money that they don't have?

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-03-26 15:24

      @Gary read a article that stated that there are hundreds of streets in townships without names, why dont they rather name those?

      RSole - 2012-03-26 15:40

      I wonder what he paid to have his add on the news 24 front page? Quite frankly you don’t need to have a "State of the City (or Sh!@y) as some call it" address. We all know it's bankrupt. Just another parasitic ego trip.

  • jackal666.daniel - 2012-03-26 14:49

    That money and time could be put to better, use like service delivery. Oh wait this is SA and we have the ANC...

      jackal666.daniel - 2012-03-26 15:03

      It should be Corruption if anything.

  • matete.k.seshwene - 2012-03-26 14:50

    I don't care if it's Pretoria or Tshwane, whether you change the streets names or not. Why don't they do the real job and give us better services. Aaag man

      mastermindpete - 2012-03-26 14:57

      Why don't the voting fodder vote these uselss ANC-pf clowns out of office - that will be a better day for all in SA !!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-26 15:22

      And a new troll is born..

  • Bambanani - 2012-03-26 14:51

    hope he will take right decision

  • Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-03-26 14:56

    What a worthy cause(name changes) to spent our hard earned tax money on.

  • Sechaba - 2012-03-26 15:06

    why waste money on name changes????? people go hungry out there all you concerned about is the name "Pretoria" and how to use million of rands on chaging 8 letter word.... if one says Pretoria doesnt have meaning then what does Tshwane mean??????

      siyadyosiba - 2012-03-26 15:31

      some things have to be done whether important or less important. i'm really less interested in "name change" even though I know it is part of transformation in a state. the thing is, this article has made the "name change" thing to seem like its "the most important" thing in the agenda items, I'm dead sure it is not. Let's not fall in the trap.

  • Philip - 2012-03-26 15:06

    Did the ANC just not the other day say it wont change the name???

      Koos - 2012-03-26 15:11

      Throughout the last couple of 100 years history is littered with accounts of whites “negotiating” or “trading” with blacks. The outcome is almost always the same.

      Frank - 2012-03-26 16:13

      @koos ,i think when the dutch first landed in s.a,the `indeginous folk used to sell them cattle,then they would sneak into the dutch settlements and steal the cattle back.that`s probably where the whole seperation thing started cos the dutch had to build perimeter fences to keep tsotsis out,just like our `boomed` areas ja,nothing has changed.

  • siyadyosiba - 2012-03-26 15:07

    Change it to Mugabe City:) I'm really less interested in it

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-26 15:23

    Its about time Pretoria becomes an true African city...I dont care about struggle icons as long as they change it to something local i'm fine with it.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-26 15:48

      What about "Apiesville" seeing that the Apies river is close-by and not connected to anyone, but to nature? Please just not they way they played last Saturday one can think about it;) )

      Sunette - 2012-03-26 16:47

      Oh really!!! ...and the WHITE person who pioneered the development of this area is NOT "something local"? Thus I have to gather that you don't consider White people who have lived in this country for more than 300 years as "local"? Pathetic and Racist! That is what you are!!!

      Herman - 2012-03-26 16:49

      Pretoria is named after a great truly South African leader - not the ones we have these days!

      David - 2012-03-26 16:59

      @ The-Azanian: please note that here in France we have a town called Saint-Affrique (Holly Africa) since the year 942 AC. As you know, France is not on the African continent...and nobody here is asking for changing the name into a "local" French name ;-) In Spain you have a river called Guadalquivir when the Moors invaded the coutry (arround the 8th Century). Guadalquivir comes from the Arab language Al-Wadi al-Kabir (?????? ??????)meaning the Big Valley...and we're in the 21st century now and the river still has this name, so as the city Guadalajara! So changing names won't help every South African to have a job and a house as promised some years ago...

      bluzulu - 2012-03-26 17:48

      aaahhhh....Tshwane great African ring to the name....Tshhhhhhwaneeeee.....yep..yep.... Sounds great.....moving on , next issue.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-26 18:19

      It's not just happening here , It's happening all over the World as When the people of the land get their land back it reverts to it's Original name. All over Asia and Africa, Countries are doing this reverting to their Origins to reconnect with their Cultures and beliefs. The Planet is in a constant cycle. It is the "Fluid " nature of Human Evolution.

      Jimmy - 2012-03-26 20:09

      From the looks of thing's Boet, Pretoria is indeed on it's way to becoming a " True African City " Dilapidated roads and shoddy infrastructure and lack of decent services.. Ja a trua African city indeed...Darn Shame !!

      bluzulu - 2012-03-26 20:45

      @ Jimmy, Unfortunately the GDP of the country could not keep pace with taking care of 8 million citizens to 50 million citizens which explains the sudden lowering of standards however it will get better.

      David - 2012-03-27 10:50

      @ The-Azanian: If people "really" need "local" names to find their Identity"back"! Then even the name of AFRICA should be changed! Because it comes from the Latin language (Roman Empire...bouhouhou...Europe! Ho NO!! Whites again!!). It was the name given to a warm and rainy wind coming from the South (Carthage) into the Roman Empire (Campania)! AFRICUS was it's name! So the ANC and the Mayor of Pretoria should organise a Pan-African conference to ask to change the name of the continent, in order to have something more local.....

  • Michael - 2012-03-26 15:23

    I for one hope the ANC gets it right this time. Cross all the i's, dot all the t's, have a lawyer or three review it, and make sure that dinosaur name ("Pretoria") is removed forever. Yes, houses and water and electricity and crime are urgent priorities, but symbolism is important to our self-image and the insult of these names on our cities must come to an end. ANC, 2/3+ of this country has voted for you consistently for nearly 20 years. Don't fail us on this one - change that name!

      Marion - 2012-03-26 15:34

      Yes ANC, waste more money while people live in corrugated iron shacks without any indoor sanitation. Put 'self-image' above their health and safety. After all, self-image and eradicating insults are way more important than ensuring the most basic needs of the poor are taken care of. Those previously disadvantage with access to internet say so.

  • rynoj1 - 2012-03-26 15:28

    These people, why do they have to change street, town and so many other names????????? This is the reason why our country fall apart, because they focus on all the small things rather than all big issues such as infrastructure etc.!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Johan - 2012-03-26 15:29

    Mayor why not just use the money to buy a suite !!! Its the same thing, only going to benefit yourself, nobody else...

  • Hadebe - 2012-03-26 15:30

    Is there nothing betteq

  • phathuchicos - 2012-03-26 15:39

    Our parents built that SA while getting instructions from their white masters who never recognised their manpower at the dust will start to settle when things like this go ahead...good move Kgosi...a name is all that we need inorder to make clean start. Even westerners knows the power of name more than anyone which is the reason they were busy imposing western names in Africa so that we can forever remain brainwashed...

      Marion - 2012-03-26 15:48

      A name may be all you need to make a clean start The-Azanian, but I can assure you that my son's biological mother living in her pathetic little shack in George Goch would rather have housing and a private toilet and a bathroom than name changes that do not improve the quality of her life one iota.

      phathuchicos - 2012-03-26 15:59

      service delivery I dought the will be a party in SA that will refine that to the highest level possible...even if you say that money could be used to built a house or a road which is unlikely to happen with that money even if they back off because ANC still gonna use it for a party or spend it on another highly inflated price of leasing a building...atleast they are doing something little for the people who placed them on power with this. Ask a soldier who went on battle to find out the importance of being recognised...

      jaco.duplessis2 - 2012-03-26 16:25

      Azanian - what on earth are you blubbering about?

      siyadyosiba - 2012-03-26 16:27

      Good point Azanian. There's nothing from Visagie and Pretorius that the majority of this country can be proud of?

      Amused - 2012-03-26 17:24

      This is such a tired and illogical argument that keeps getting trotted out .... Its like saying henry Ford didnt build a motor company, his workers did. Whilst undoubtedly they played their part, they were only fulfilling Ford vision, and without him they would have not have achieved anything. South Africa belongs to ALL of us, and i think that is something that we should all aspire to White people built this country into the largest, most advanced, most succesful economy in Africa, and with it delivered the highest standards of living to black people on the entire continent. The politics and rights and wrongs can be argued over for decades... The facts are irrefutable. White people shame themselves when they deny the wrongs and priviledge of apartheid Black peiople shame themselves when they deny the reality of history

      Themba - 2012-03-27 06:53

      In as much as I would like to agree with the-Azanian, I am reluctant to because of the way we as a state prioritize issues for resolve. I will say we because, even if we do not vote for a particular party to be in power, when they get into power they are our leaders - and they are meant to be our servants in a way...... It is not about who the place is named after, but about what the place has to offer.....

  • Msika - 2012-03-26 15:40

    Why put the name change issue on top of the agenda? There are more important issues that deserve top priority in tge city, like housing, implemantation of BRT, crime (especially in Mandela drive). Leave the city as Pta and the mucipality as Tshwane. I cn do with a name change for some of the streets as they remind us of an ugly history of our beloved RSA.

  • Mduduzi - 2012-03-26 15:40

    I'm sure there are more important things to worry about....I'm not sure name changing is such a PRIORITY. Screwed up PRIORITIES neh!!

      Marion - 2012-03-26 15:48

      Neh Mduduzi!! Well said.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-03-26 15:53

      i missed that part in the article that name change is the priority.

      clinton.badenhorst - 2012-03-26 15:57

      @ siyadyosiba - Read the very first paragraph you airpot.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-03-26 16:12

      @pythagoras, "The issue of Pretoria's name change is expected to top the agenda in mayor Kgosientso Ramokgopa's state of the city address on Tuesday". Does this paragragh say "name change" is priority? Besides, the journo says "expected" to top the agenda.

      Riaan - 2012-03-26 18:49

      siyadyosiba Some thing needn't be stated explicitly. By reading your comments everyone can deduce that your a simpleton of note. This doesn't need to be stated.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-03-26 23:49

      @Riaan, your problem is, u reading whats on your minds not what is written. in essence, u guys hear what you wish to hear not what is said. and u doing this for your own convenience.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-26 15:55

    Wow! Now this is what you call leadership! Great strategic and tactical planning. Tremendous selfless service to the people. Finally our democracy is bearing the fruit of many years of dedicated ANC input. Our people should be forever grateful to the sacrifices made by this great mayor.

      Mark - 2012-03-26 16:00

      Masseratifittipaldi. Good sarcasm!

  • Mark - 2012-03-26 15:56

    Kgosientso Ramokgopa. Have you fixed Rooiwal Sewage works yet? Have you cut the grass yet? Please get going with these and other pressing issues. Your ratepayers have paid; you must perform. Are you listening? By the way, have you found a face-saving compromise for yourself yet, or has your motor-mouth ensured your continued crusade against Pretoria

  • Marc - 2012-03-26 16:31

    The ANC junta had better note that the commies in Russia tried for many years to change the names of cities and other landmarks, but when the inevitable end came, they all went back to what they were before. If ANC lackies want to give something an ANC name (and that's all there is to this one) then they should build it. If Tshwane was a name all those years back, how was that possible without an alphabet? And even it was merely an utterance, why give a name to place that doesn't exist. Because let's face it, before Pretorius, there was nothing but a nodescript dustbowl.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-26 19:22

      That's the great thing about perspective, One the one side we have Marc57 asserting that it was a nodescript dustbowl. However History and the Indigenous people Assert that it was part of their homeland which is far from a nodescript dustbowl.

  • Herman - 2012-03-26 16:46

    This is his change to proof he is not a racist. He should rather spend his time fixing pathetic service issues!

  • Herman - 2012-03-26 16:58

    Why has not one single black township in SA's name been change to a "neutral" name - or Afrikaans name for that matter. People changing such names has got the mantality of a ka*fer, because black people wil not do that!

      Mathibela - 2012-03-26 17:23

      If Rhodesia (named after that thug called Cecil John Rhodes) was renamed to Zimbabwe y not Pretoria. These land belongs to Africans n no 1 else.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-26 17:50

      Because Rhodes was not an African. Knowing his history well enough, I also do not like him. Pretorius, on the other hand, was an African and a leader of one of the groups that is still Africans and part of South Africa. I am an proud African and South African with brothers of all colours and flavors. Even not being part of that group, because I am from the NW Cape, I will still respect those people's(Pretoria/old Transvaal) leaders.

      Riaan - 2012-03-26 18:54

      Mathibela And let me guess. African = bleck. This country also doesn't belong to you. You are an invader from up north.

  • Ernest - 2012-03-26 16:59

    Please Mr Ramokgopa, we want BRT from Soshanguve/Mabopane to Town please, the traffic & petrol are killing US, pls pls pls Mr Mayor

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-26 17:31

      No. You have not begged enough. On your knees. Can't you see I'm busy with an important name change? After that there will be a celebration. A party. Red wine. No white.I must invite important people. Mswati. Mugabe. Maseratifittipaldi. No time for BRT nonsense. Where's my chain thing. Where's my stick thing. Bring me my blue lights. We'r going to paint this town red. Tell Shadrack Pothole I want my road fixed. Shall I take the Hummer or the Jag? BTW, what is BRT? Bureaucratic Red Tape? Yes,O.K. I will give you BRT. Just stop this pathetic begging.

  • Refiloe - 2012-03-26 17:05

    the name is fn Pretoria shld sty that way. they are busy chngng names and naming thngs in zulu. i mean i lv in a cmmntie wher theres Sotho and Tsonga ppl bt al the dmn street names are in Zulu. wts up wth that.

  • Refiloe - 2012-03-26 17:18

    wtf is name chngng mr important than buildng a house or clean water fr sm ppl. iam sick and tird of ths goverment. and funny enough sm of u who have bread and water and big houses nice cars thnk that the dmn idiot of a Mayor should concetrate mr on a dmn name change. and i knw if thy do change it it wl be in Zulu or Xhosa. nxa! what the hll happend to service delivery. stupid idiot. ths just pissis me off.

  • veritas.odium.paret - 2012-03-26 17:24

    Does the ANC government have nothing to measure it's accomplishments with other than the number of names they change? I have lived in Ficksburg all my life and have yet to come across anyone who has a problem with the name or that it should be changed, so, it would be an obvious waste of money and time if anyone ever lobbied for it to be changed.

  • IcemanGP - 2012-03-26 18:14

    "He said new names chosen would include those who played prominent roles in the liberation struggle" Oh wow, lets really rub their noses in it, stick to frigging neutral names if you really really have to change names.

  • mnthane - 2012-03-26 18:23

    Let me #YAWN#. Always supplyin the rhetoric 2 divert the ppl's attention 4rm the real struggle dnt they. Poverty needs a name change, Wait i got it. How about Service delivery. F.u.c.k name changes coz they dnt create employment does not gv da youth skills and does nt gv shelter 2 da homeles.

  • Thandukwenza - 2012-03-26 19:22

    I think our gvt needs 2 acknowledge dat our people are no longer interested on who killed who 2 get what...all we want is 4 our gvt 2 adress da key issues affecting our society whether black or white we don't the issue of changing names 2 honour the dead cannot save da kids in da street sniffin glue....the focus should be on building strong internationaly relations 2 strengthen our economy....they're going 2 waste millions 2 glue in da new name in da minds of our people and this doesn't bring peace amongst our people instead it divides us...infact whoever came up with this idea has got no foresight of a great leader

      Turdy - 2012-03-26 21:05


      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-27 06:44

      Division through racism is the way the ANC holds on to power, Thandukwenza. The ANC does not want our nation united. They care only for the ANC. We have seen the effects of party based megalomania over the world, throughout the decades, and we just don't take any lessons from it. Political parties are the biggest stumbling block on our road to freedom and democracy.

  • Kevin - 2012-03-27 05:52

    Half the names we see today I consider to be terrorists and half the names we had twenty years ago the anc think are the baddies. Why do we ban any person names from streets. Politicians are not honest great people and should be the last people society should hold up and examples.

  • gbazan - 2012-03-27 18:56

    What retarded powerful people.

  • Sidney - 2012-03-28 07:38

    You can change all the names in the country but know one thing, you cant change history and the truth of it is that if it weren't for Europeans landing in South Africa in 1652, you would not have either city or street names to change as there would be neither cities or streets. Come to think of it you would not have had a written language either, or cars, trains, aircraft, electricity, cell phones, stoves, TV's, radios, schools, universities, stone buildings, all manner of fantastic machinery used in the production of the wealth you claim was stolen from you, in fact you would have none of the things you now covet so strongly. If everything done by white people since we landed here is anathema to you and you want to change and transform it into God knows what, why not reject everything Eurocentric in its entirety and go back to living as you did before we got here. Without colonisation you would still be following the sun around your mud huts

  • daviadonis - 2012-03-28 08:19

    African state = African identity

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