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Membership numbers confidential - DA

2012-10-17 15:44

Johannesburg - The Democratic Alliance said on Wednesday it would not divulge how many members or branches it had.

"We do consider that to be internal information that is confidential... and has been our policy for a very long time," DA federal congress convenor and presiding officer Greg Krumbock told reporters in Johannesburg.

"We do have a very strong emphasis in our party on incentivising vote gathering activities rather than membership."

Krumbock said this was because the DA wanted its members to focus on interacting with the people of the country rather than building membership.

"It's not to say we discourage membership, but we want people to be out there in the communities."

Krumbock was asked about the party's membership ahead of its national elective conference which will be held next month.

'Tripled'

Despite not giving exact figures, Krumbock said the DA's membership had tripled since 2009.

"We have a very impressive membership database now and it's growing very, very fast. But we are more excited that our votes are growing a lot faster," he said.

About 1 650 delegates would attend the DA's national congress.

Krumbrock said there would be a minimum of 760 public representatives, which comprised MPs, MPLs, and councillors, and a further 851 ordinary DA members at conference.

This meant there were 505 more delegates than at its last congress.

"This is a reflection that our party has grown since the last congress. One in four people now vote for us and that is reflected in our membership," he said.

Comments
  • greg.quinn.353 - 2012-10-17 15:51

    I'll take quality membership over quantity any day.

      chris.debeer1 - 2012-10-17 15:59

      Unlike cANCer!!!

      johny.stront - 2012-10-17 16:13

      It will get the Cancer squad thinking...... eumm can they think or worry :/

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-10-17 16:21

      mzwa, yeh you keep voting your corrupt useless ANC into power believing they will one day share the spoils with you, not a chance of that happening, your children will continue to have pathetic if any education, your country will continue to decline, no services, no law and order, and you can explain that to your children one day when they have nothing and no future.

      lydonmcg - 2012-10-17 16:22

      Thanks, mzwa. I'm glad to see you acknowledge that the DA is the quality whilst the ANC is merely the quantity. For now, at least.

      hallo.daar.56 - 2012-10-17 16:36

      Quality membership? I hardly call a large portion of boneheads who are essentially right wingers just trying to to belong to what they see as they only feasible 'white'party' left. Not the majority of DA members though.

      Onke Mdingi - 2012-10-17 17:12

      One in every four vote DA. Am I missing something??

      ChristelleJames - 2012-10-17 17:15

      I honestly do not know why this is such an issue. Although she is withholding exact number, she did say membership tripled. Do the math yourselves - if you can! And I still stick by what I say lower down.

      rontheogre - 2012-10-17 17:24

      Mzwa, you forget the "quality" minority of 4,7 million taxpayers support the 15 million of the "quantity" voters. And the quality is getting gatvol of supporting leeches. The sheeple are starting to wake up to the fact that the government is only looking after itself, not its people.

      GordonT - 2012-10-17 21:22

      @Greg Unfortunately democracy requires quantity not quality.

      GordonT - 2012-10-17 21:25

      Don't be upset with Mzwa. He is absolutely correct. It would be stupid to try and denounce the reality/truth. The dutchman/whites failed to see this point, which is why they are now destined to a fate as determined by the masses. It is just a matter of time.

      John - 2012-10-17 23:28

      Honestly don't know what the big deal is. Isn't votes more important than membership? I for one prefer to be a member to non. I don't 'marry' a party because it is not for life like a football team. Ideally, we vote for a government because we believe they will deliver, and we hold them accountable for that. If they don't deliver, we remove them by voting for someone else. That is the essence of a democracy. I do not define my identity through a party like most ANC supporters do. Problem there is a failure of both policy and the executive to carry out those policies. Policies are only as strong as they are able to be realised. And in the ANC, they keep squabbling and changing new leadership in the hope they will be able to deliver, but repeatedly it is shown to have the same results (or lack thereof). I think it's a pity ANC supporters are paralysed by their loyal memberships to a party which does not deliver what they have promised. In the same way a football supporter loyally supports their team in hope that 'next time' their team will win the league. I think not having a membership allows the public to sway their vote in favour of someone different after considering (applying their minds and not emotion) and not being obliged to keep voting for the same thing time and time again and expecting different results. Then again, I'm an idealist.

  • ChristelleJames - 2012-10-17 16:04

    Keeping you trump cards very close to your heart and out of sight. Very very clever poker move!!! But, that is the sign of of good, intelligent player!

      themba.maseko.568 - 2012-10-17 16:18

      But this is not transparent, and makes one wonder how much more secrecy DA would bring in were they to be in power.

      wim.kotze.9 - 2012-10-17 16:24

      Themba, do pigs fly?

      ChristelleJames - 2012-10-17 16:50

      I disagree Temba - Any political party is in it's full right to withhold that information - it is not part of the Mandate given to them by their voters for their political policies.

      ChristelleJames - 2012-10-17 16:54

      I believe the reason why she is doing the is the following: The ANC is messing up more and more and more by the day - they are under the very false illusion that they will not be losing votes, or at least not by significant numbers, simply because that is the arrogance by which they live. She wants them to keep that illusion whilst she is slowly (or I believe quicker than we think) gaining ground. I still think it is a very clever poker move.

      hallo.daar.56 - 2012-10-17 17:00

      If the ANC did they same you would be claiming censorship etc.

      ChristelleJames - 2012-10-17 17:07

      Please - this information has nothing to do with expenditure of taxpayers money, it has nothing to do with the safety of the nation, it has nothing to do with the economy. It is a clever ploy by a clever political party who wants the opposition to sit comfortable in their seat of self-destruction!!

      ChristelleJames - 2012-10-17 17:11

      Rather, .......by the opposition party to let the ruling party sit comfortable in their seat of self-destruction

      hallo.daar.56 - 2012-10-17 17:19

      The only thing worse than a blind ANC supporter is a DA fanboy/fangirl. Isn't it home time there at your DA branch?

      ChristelleJames - 2012-10-17 17:28

      Do you have nothing better to come back with............please, put a sock in it.

  • vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-10-17 16:04

    Hmmm, is this how a culture of secrecy starts? Just give the figures DA. What are you hiding?

      desertratbkf - 2012-10-17 16:12

      Nothing to hide. Afterall, they are the OFFICIAL opposition, and guess what, gaining by the day! ;-)

      wim.kotze.9 - 2012-10-17 17:38

      Amongst other, corruption in Midvaal.

  • desertratbkf - 2012-10-17 16:11

    Its called modern civilisatiion! Not barbarism!

      mxolisi.nala - 2012-10-17 18:57

      i don't see any difference. bwaaaaah lmfao

  • mzondistanley - 2012-10-17 16:18

    INCENTIVISING VOTE GATHRING IS the same as Buying Votes!! You do not buy Respect You Earn respect!!

      raath - 2012-10-17 16:36

      Jy is nie die vinnigste akkedissie teen die muur nie, is jy?

  • Katleho Mdlalose - 2012-10-17 16:21

    elections is a numbers game. so we can make fun of the anc for having so called 'illiterate' voters, cos wen it cums to ticking tht ballot, ur education, wealth mean NADA!!

      rontheogre - 2012-10-17 17:35

      AND IT SHOWS!!!!!!Thank you for inadvertently stating the biggest reason for the downward slide experienced in SA.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-10-17 16:25

    Not publicising your membership numbers its funny coming from a party that want to follow the US democratic stance! Only days ago Zille wanted to challenge Zuma for a debate, regardless of ANC’s misgivings at least they let their membership figures be known to the public. Political parties must know that they are big because the public make them that way, why is DA withholding such information. The republicans and democrats membership is a public secret, anybody can view their membership anytime! Dictators are nor born they are made, if people ululate and praise politicians so much they will think they are gods, this was Mbeki’s downfall. We see the same happening in DA, now Zille is standing unopposed, to show that Zille is a strong candidate she must be challenged within her party, the fact that nobody dared to challenge her is scary. Now its refusing to disclose membership figures and funny enough DA followers are all for it. SA’s future is bleak, people need to be educated and exposed to global realities, it’s a great shame! What's confidential is your members' personal information not mere figures, so after census results can we go public with the country's figures? Or its confidential again!

      tafkad.tafkad - 2012-10-17 16:41

      you're missing the point - membership numbers are irrelevant, votes are relevant. Please point me in the direction of a reference where the DA expresses its intent to follow the US democratic stance, if you're referring to the DA's debate request then it seems as though you pull conclusions from hot air - how is a request for a debate and an ideological doctrine linked? The debate request is not an attempt to humiliate Zuma, it's an attempt to bring Zuma out of hibernation - he and his government have been deathly silent while the coutry has been in crisis - you can't disagree. Why should any political leader be opposed if they're performing well? Zille being unopposed proves that she is a great leader - you don't see team players of any sport vying for captaincy when they have a great captain. You really need to look at things rationally and not make simple comments just because you have a keyboard.

      brandon.mercer3 - 2012-10-17 16:50

      Your are the biggest hyprocrit, I read the nonsense you comment with on a daily basis. The ANC leadership is uncontested, the Cosatu membership went uncontested and now you get on your high horse. You have no place to even open you mouth if you arent even a supporter of the party. Continue voting for your corrupt ANC. And why do you even care how many DA supporters there are? If they dont want to release the figures they have no obligation to do so. Just shut up for once

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-10-17 16:58

      You guys seem to be an angry bunch, anyway as you claim that membership figures are useless, why withheld useless information? Make it public and its for us the public to take it or leave it, I for one I'm fascinated by statistics and numbers in general. As for your statement as to where I get the idea that the DA want to copy the US democracy. Firstly I got it from the DA president herself, secondly DA uses the federal system which in itself is an American system. You are right I'm not a DA member neither am I ANC but you as a livid DA member you must know that political parties get some funding from the state. As a tax payer it is my right to know what's going on in SA political parties. There is your answer, as a tax payer I have every right to know the activities of DA!

      tafkad.tafkad - 2012-10-17 17:07

      I'm not a member of any political party, I'm a political atheist but can see where logic prevails and where it doesn't. I would really be embarrassed to be an ANC member - they cause chaos in everything they touch, there was a place for them during the struggle but the reigns need to be passed on to the new generation before the old stubborn men destroy our country. BTW, you seem to be the angry one - you're attacking the article and the DA in your response. Learn to be impartial, you'll live longer. BTW, I'm black too.

      tafkad.tafkad - 2012-10-17 17:13

      You use a car or derivative which in itself is an American invention, what is your obsession with Americanism? In what way does the DA use a federal system?

      brandon.mercer3 - 2012-10-17 17:18

      Why with hold them if they useless, i dont know maybe because there are more important things? Like 5Billion being wasted on entertainment and transport by the ruling party? demand to see the stats of all the other political parties, and why arent you crying wolf when i commented on the ANC and Cosatu leadership going unopposed, you are a hypocrit plain an simple you can argue you need the stats till your blue in the face it makes no difference, you arent gonna get them unless the DA decides they wwant to make it public as i said they are not mandated so go b*tch about another DA issues since I dont see you complaining about SAA, Nkandla, Strikers being violent etc. Thats your tax money going into those areas of our country too. The single party in this country that actually keeps the ANC in its place and you care about membership numbers, and not that they will be building 70 schools over the next 3 years.... you are a sad individual

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-10-17 17:39

      @tafkad.tafkad, its shocking that as a DA supporter you don't know that the DA uses the federal system. Let me bring you up to speed federal state, is a political entity characterized by a union of partially self-governing states or regions united by a central federal government. In a federation, the self-governing status of the component states, as well as the division of power between them and the central government, are typically constitutionally entrenched and may not be altered by a unilateral decision of the latter. So when DA takes over we will have 9 states in SA probably. @brandon.mercer3, I agree with you only failed organisations like Cosatu can elect a leader unopposed as for the ANC I suggest you check your facts because Zuma will face Monthlante for the President post. As for other hot topics you mentioned yes I'm concerned but here its all about DA. I will comment about DA because I believe as a democratic party if they read comments of the public they might reconsider. Except if you are saying the DA doesn't pay attention to non-members. As for @tafkad.tafkad I suggest you understand your party principles as you are doing DA a disservice, your ignorance is not embarassing but its sad!

      rontheogre - 2012-10-17 17:41

      Lerato, just looking at the very recent furore regarding the "rigging" of ANC membership numbers to benefit Zuma, perhaps not publisizing them is a good idea.(see http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/mbalula-not-warming-up-to-zuma-1.1405010#.UH7REW9tjls)

      brandon.mercer3 - 2012-10-17 17:56

      lerato.kay.3 - Wow... so vice president VS. President yea thats a complete game changer for the ANC. If you dont like the party thats fine but to take such offence at party membership numbers is such a futile attempt to discredit them which is what you are trying to do, as well as that idiot Marius Fransman. Seriously... its so pathetic, you seem well educated but you really need to sort out your priorities

      flysouth - 2012-10-17 18:21

      You mean to say that you actually believe the membership numbers given out by the ANC? There really is one born every minute!

      John - 2012-10-17 23:26

      Honestly don't know what the big deal is. Isn't votes more important than membership? I for one prefer to be a member to non. I don't 'marry' a party because it is not for life like a football team. Ideally, we vote for a government because we believe they will deliver, and we hold them accountable for that. If they don't deliver, we remove them by voting for someone else. That is the essence of a democracy. I do not define my identity through a party like most ANC supporters do. Problem there is a failure of both policy and the executive to carry out those policies. Policies are only as strong as they are able to be realised. And in the ANC, they keep squabbling and changing new leadership in the hope they will be able to deliver, but repeatedly it is shown to have the same results (or lack thereof). I think it's a pity ANC supporters are paralysed by their loyal memberships to a party which does not deliver what they have promised. In the same way a football supporter loyally supports their team in hope that 'next time' their team will win the league. I think not having a membership allows the public to sway their vote in favour of someone different after considering (applying their minds and not emotion) and not being obliged to keep voting for the same thing time and time again and expecting different results. Then again, I'm an idealist.

  • native.rsa - 2012-10-17 16:31

    Yeh right membership has grown but you will not give the numbers desparate bunch

      desertratbkf - 2012-10-17 16:37

      Not yet! ;-)

      rontheogre - 2012-10-17 17:42

      The DA would like to surprise us all at the election.

  • vandeventer.sarel - 2012-10-17 16:38

    Do u know why limpopo had the textbook saga, its because the anc knows educated people vote for educated politicians

      dee.shabalala - 2012-10-17 16:44

      And you still have your grade 10 and working for your dad............typical

      vandeventer.sarel - 2012-10-17 20:01

      Hahaha. I wish, that would have been better than working for a boss. Can i ask u, why do u vote anc? Are u stupid or blind? The fact that your party robs the poor, does it bother u?

  • Mr.Bacelo - 2012-10-17 16:50

    They can't even fill a hall yet they want to debate Zuma. The imperialist ship. Bloody agents

      ChristelleJames - 2012-10-17 16:58

      You are a racist!!!!!

      Mr.Bacelo - 2012-10-17 18:35

      I love white people except those who are against every stride this country is making.

  • jones.ngoetjana - 2012-10-17 17:11

    I don't see the reason why the DA which claims to be transparent does not want to disclose the membership figures . If indeed they are serious about an open and free society , let them disclose their figures . They need to tell us how transformed they are in terms of percentage of different raial groups in the organizations, percentage growth and composition in the leadership positions. The fact that they don't want to disclose this figures means that there is something that they are hiding

      tafkad.tafkad - 2012-10-17 17:24

      you make a lot of unsubstantiated claims 1. point me to a document or press release where the DA claims to be transparent 2. they're hiding something because they don't want to disclose figures. you need to backup your claims and not state them as fact because you thought of them, you don't know what you don't know.

      rontheogre - 2012-10-17 17:44

      If you cannot see the masses of very tanned "white" supporters at DA rallies as televised, I don't think the stats will help you either.

  • rasthami.m1 - 2012-10-17 17:20

    What the figure is to embarassing ?! secrecy what is it company policy since your party is DA pty Ltd

      tafkad.tafkad - 2012-10-17 17:28

      That's strange, I don't see them registered as a (Pty)Ltd http://www.tradeinvestsa.co.za/pls/cms/ti_company_search.COMPANY_SEARCH?p_site_id=125#D

      rasthami.m1 - 2012-10-17 17:43

      Reall?! DA is in business -its a business forum for all the white capitalist

  • machethe - 2012-10-17 17:30

    I dont understand why people are so preoccupied with how many members a party has...If DA chooses to keep its figures confidential, let it be...The ANC has inflated its members to boost their President...so what...As citizens, we should be debating on isuses of nation building and economic value....News24, please report about newsworthy news....

  • bongani.nsele.58 - 2012-10-17 17:33

    this DA is a part of secrects....they now can't divulge members numbers, they can't divulge that the core of their part is the Nats, they can't divulge who their financial backers are so we know who benefits where the DA has a majority....although zille was seen goose stepping it to the guptas for donations...unlike the ANC the media is quick to scream chancellor house, petro SA, guptas and taxpayers money...it seems the DA gets it's money from it's millions of paid up members...and it's goon supporters believe that..

  • duduzile.nkosi - 2012-10-17 17:36

    Damn! Is it that bad Helen? With the failing ANC, South Africans are not turning to you

      brandon.mercer3 - 2012-10-17 18:02

      Thats fine when the country falls apart at the rand isnt worth the money its printed on because Zuma is all words no action, I'll know it wasnt my fault i voted for change

      retha.vosloo.5 - 2012-10-17 18:04

      Explain?

  • retha.vosloo.5 - 2012-10-17 18:06

    Agree! If they tell anything about when where what the ANC will try to change borders and move people to stop DA and eliminate opponents.

  • sxp - 2012-10-17 18:42

    Whatever....sigh!!

  • Fox Trixter - 2012-10-17 20:51

    who cares about DA numbers? they will remain the opposition party until Lucas Mangope becomes the president of the IFP! kwaaaaa!

  • vandeventer.sarel - 2012-10-18 07:32

    I wanna ask all anc supporters, youre president is corrupt, your future president is corrupt, So tell me, dont u feel bad about the poor? Because your party robs them and while they rob them u want to bad mouth the madam. U want to cry about a few schools being closed in western cape while limpopo cant even provide textbooks!!! U are destroying your own people!!!! Just shows u the priorities, your pockets count for more than the poor peoples well being. African nasional cancer!!!!

  • vandeventer.sarel - 2012-10-18 07:33

    I wanna ask all anc supporters, youre president is corrupt, your future president is corrupt, So tell me, dont u feel bad about the poor? Because your party robs them and while they rob them u want to bad mouth the madam. U want to cry about a few schools being closed in western cape while limpopo cant even provide textbooks!!! U are destroying your own people!!!! Just shows u the priorities, your pockets count for more than the poor peoples well being. African nasional cancer!!!!

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