Miners don't believe in muti - bishop

2012-11-14 21:41

Rustenburg - Claims that protesters believed muti would protect them from being shot by police were unfounded, Reverend Johannes Seoka, Anglican bishop of Pretoria, told the Farlam Commission of Inquiry into the Marikana killings on Wednesday.

"[Claims about] the use of muti to protect workers against bullets... that's nonsense," he said.

"You are making black people [out] to be stupid. They are not stupid."

Seoka said he had worked in a rural area before, where soccer players indulged in muti before a match, but they knew that it could not prevent their team being defeated. It also did not prevent them from training.

"Most [of the miners] had been through school, they should know better. Muti does not protect them against bullets."

Rather, it was a tradition that most people were raised with.

"We are socialised to this kind of lifestyle," Seoka said.

Earlier on Wednesday, Lieutenant Colonel Duncan Scott showed video footage from, what he termed, "perceived rituals" performed by the protesters ahead of other violent confrontation with police, that left 34 miners dead after police opened fire on 16 August.

Seoka said he believed these deaths could have been averted if Lonmin management had been willing to negotiate with the striking workers.

"For me, if Lonmin management had adopted a tolerant attitude and put bitterness... aside, the massacre that took place would have been prevented."

He felt police could have done more to facilitate this negotiation.

  • mark.a.fysh - 2012-11-14 21:48

    This tragic occurrence came just in time to deflect critisism of alleged corruption in your diocise, didn't it Seoka?

  • Erna - 2012-11-14 21:53

    Didn't the miners admit to using the muti? Contradictory!

      kim.buren - 2012-11-14 22:18

      The rabbit? The rabbit was blamed for the shooting at Marikana. How stupid is this Seoka? I rest my case

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-11-14 22:04

    And Bishop Seoka knows this... how?

  • fred.warren.986 - 2012-11-14 22:05

    "The traditional healer warned all of us several times on the day not to kill the rabbit but some among us decided to chase it around the hill and killed it," mineworker Khabo Khabo told the newspaper. "I still honestly believe that if it wasn't for the healer far more lives would have been lost on the day. If we had let the rabbit free all of the dead would still be alive," Khabo said.

  • phaldiemeyer - 2012-11-14 22:11

    This bishop ose looking for the limelight...go tend to you flock bishop, don't get involved with something that can only harm your credibility!!

  • smalefane - 2012-11-14 22:15

    Bishop, some black people do believe that muti can protect them from bullets. As a matter of fact, some believe that it can make you invincible. I wouldn't say they are stupid, it's just how culture and traditions influence some of us. It becomes worse if you are not educated.

  • Charles Frederik Robberts - 2012-11-14 22:18

    Are the miners stupid? Is the Pope Catholic?

  • hitting.thefan - 2012-11-14 22:22

    Show what we witnessed on the footage shown was a baptism, yes right!!!!!

  • firmsly.kabelo - 2012-11-14 22:26

    Bishop Seoka you're lying,this miners admitted to it that they believe in muti and that it is going to protect them against bullets. As much as you dont trust police,I also dont trust you. You're proving that you're a liar.

  • tebogo.maja.77 - 2012-11-14 22:26

    I think, ...hey i think Reverend Seoka might just be high, lol. So what he is saying is people paid for muti and did not believe it would work, best lie of the century. He also believed these deaths would have been avoided had the Lonmin management willed to talk, i agree. But i also think this could have also been avoided had the workers not taken Pangas on a strike, it could also have been avoided had the ANC had people's interests at heart. How many ANC people are on Management boards/ share holders, yet people are still suffering. Buying 20 million rand buffalo's, wtf?. No-one wants to be accountable, the miners/ the police/ the ANC. Its a tragedy what happened, it would be best if justice prevailed, but then again this is South africa. Kill 5 kids and get 12 years in prison. Its getting to a point where violence will be the only solution to problems.

  • Ntutu Dlova - 2012-11-14 22:52

    C'mon Bishop, why are you lying

  • wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-11-15 00:17

    "They are not stupid." Not stupid enough to think that Muti would protect them against bullets...? Well, many blacks are stupid enough to believe that raping a virgin baby will cure them of HIV, as suggested by Sangoma. Many are stupid enough to commit Muti Murders, based on their beliefs. Many are stupid enough to think that Beetroot & African potato can help in the fight against HIV. Never underestimate the level of stupidity of anyone. The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.

  • - 2012-11-15 07:40

    This article is drivel as we call it: I have worked renovating mine hostels for almost a year and in that period went through more than 900 dormitories and in most cases the muti was neatly packed in containers like in a pharmacy, in other cases the stuff was strewn on the floor to dry. I have spoken to some of the occupants and they are comfortable with it. this, as I discovered, was a huge money making racket.

  • duncan.mansfield.77 - 2012-11-15 09:37

    Where you been living Bishop?

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