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Minister: Possibly 400 000 valid land claims

2014-07-10 11:39

Pretoria - There could be as many as 400 000 valid land claims that can still be lodged by victims of apartheid-era forced removals, Communications Minister Faith Muthambi said on Thursday.

Briefing the media in Pretoria following Cabinet's fortnightly meeting the day before, she said the executive welcomed President Jacob Zuma's signing into law of the Restitution of Land Rights Amendment Act.

The new law opens a second five-year window for the lodgement of land claims. The previous window closed in 1998.

"While approximately 80 000 land restitution claims were lodged by the 1998 deadline, it is estimated that there are up to five times as many valid cases that can be brought by victims of apartheid-era forced removals," Muthambi said.

Cabinet called on South Africans to spread the message "to ensure that victims of land dispossession, who... missed the 1998 deadline, come forward to lodge their land claims from 1 July [this year] until June 2019," she said.

Comments
  • Dragonfly - 2014-07-10 11:43

    Quite funny. If land is SO important why did they miss the deadline in the first place?? Maybe it is NOT so important and they are just trying to prove a point. Or maybe someone is firing them up to claim the land with ulterior motives...

      Lee Young - 2014-07-10 11:47

      @Dragonfly... If land is SO important why did they miss the deadline in the first place?? Because of difficult "people" who can not just give back the land they had stolen.

      stefan.strydom.902 - 2014-07-10 11:59

      Lee, maybe they not want to give it back because they care too much for this country and its people to see a famine killing off half the population when people without the necessary skills take over their land...

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-07-10 12:20

      This country is going to the dogs...not long and South Africa will be another Zim...

      Blue*Reid - 2014-07-10 12:21

      Damn Lee, now that was one hell of a stupid comment!

      stefan.strydom.902 - 2014-07-10 12:24

      Polyatonki, I just checked in my pockets and cupboards, and no, it wasn't me who took your land. Sorry!!

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-07-10 12:27

      Agreed Leonardb1 - Im wondering how their cabbage patches are going to feed this country.

      Dragonfly - 2014-07-10 12:35

      Hey, Elizabeth, NOW it all makes sense!! They WANT to farm cabbage patches because, as our illustrious leaders have admitted: cabbages cure AIDS (which is, of course NOT caused by the HIV virus but by colonialism and Western influence...)!!

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-07-10 12:39

      LOL...spot on Dragonfly!

      Lee Young - 2014-07-10 12:39

      @Dragonfly.... these people without necessary skills that you are talking about are the true owners of this land. Give it back and stop worrying about what happens. You really condone theft and even try to justify it.

      Lee Young - 2014-07-10 12:50

      Showerhead, are you really that stupid... the example you just said doesn't add up not to mention disingenuous.

      Dragonfly - 2014-07-10 12:52

      Lee, if people stop worrying about what happens to such an important commodity as land and what "...happens to it." you and your ilk will be the first ones to blame the white farmers for denying you food or not helping you to learn. Or will you blame it on apartheid? Or colonialism? Or Western undermining of the African people? Or the Big Bang? Or the Large Hadron Collider making too much noise under France causing the crops of the "emerging" South African farmers' crops to die? take your pick. I am sure will NEVER blame yourself and your inexperience...

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-07-10 12:59

      Lee..you are farting against thunder here dear...best you sit down before you hurt yourself..

      Mike Heyns - 2014-07-10 13:00

      And I'll say it AGAIN!! The Sun City / Pilansberg land is MINE!! I was previously disadvantaged and still disadvantaged!! So, I DEMAND MY LAND BACK!!

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-07-10 13:01

      No ways Mike...my dog is buried there...its MINE!

      Mike Heyns - 2014-07-10 13:08

      Julie, I knew your dog. And she was buried on the other side of the western mountain. That is the land of Oom Koos Roux, you go and sort it out with him!!

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-07-10 13:11

      Bwahahahaha! it doesn't matter Mike, I THINK my dog is buried there so Im coming to claim my land anyway!

      Dragonfly - 2014-07-10 13:16

      Mike and Julie, stop arguing on my comment. Or I will seize both your lands!! Lee and I will come and seize it together seeing as we are such good old buddies...

      . - 2014-07-10 13:16

      Lee young explain to me how they are the true owners? I was born in Belville does that mean I can claim the gardens out front of the hospital just because I was born there?

      Daniel Wessels - 2014-07-10 13:18

      @ Mike & Julie, you are both wrong, that land belongs to me, I stayed there for a weekend and lost R5000.00 while I was there. so The Sun City / Pilansberg land is mine.

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-07-10 13:25

      Well Im coming with my cabbage patch seeds and my 3 goats...I am going to feed the nation!

      Mike Heyns - 2014-07-10 13:47

      And I have pigs!! They'll chow all your cabbage when I go on leave!!

      Riaan Robbeson - 2014-07-10 15:24

      @Poloyatonki. Having land is not a birthright. If it was, everyone born in SA could claim that 'right' as the constitution of SA guarantees every citizen of SA the same privileges and 'rights'. Last time I checked, I also did not have any 'land' on my name, same as you. The difference is that I'm not looking for a free handout or the easy road to riches. I'm working for it. As far as not having the necessary skills go, you have had ample opportunity the past 20 years to acquire any level of skills that you could wish for. You even have AA and BBBEE on your side, but because you sit on your backside and demand everything you want, you still have zip. Stop your whining!

      kmw13047 - 2014-07-11 06:16

      @Lee, who made them the "true owners"

  • Titus Madiba - 2014-07-10 11:52

    Lets start with Stellenbosch and Franschoek, and please no compensation it'll just be a waste of our tax.

      Ben S - 2014-07-10 11:56

      You have no claims in the Western Cape but of course you wont know that.

      Andrew M - 2014-07-10 11:59

      Clown !!

      Mark Blane - 2014-07-10 12:01

      I hope to read about you being shot by one of the farmers from the Western Cape...

      Theunis De Jongh - 2014-07-10 12:02

      How much tax do you pay, funny man ?

      Andre Riccardo Gomes - 2014-07-10 12:05

      Western Cape was never a black area... read your history! if you want land go take land on Seal Island! Just a another greddy, lazy Poephol!

      John Bass - 2014-07-10 12:10

      And then where? Central Durban, Sandton, the Kruger? Only want developed areas so you can do no work for lots of profit. Typical african thinking.

      Titus Madiba - 2014-07-10 12:39

      And here come the racist idiots with their name calling and idiotic remarks. Fact is the land will be returned to its rightful owners and there is nothing you can do about it, no matter how long it takes it will be done. The sooner you accept that the better.

      Sejouse Freedom - 2014-07-10 12:43

      Yes Titus It seems you could be on to a point there, however keep in mind that a farm like Lourensford has legally been obtained by majority Indians. This seems to be the old van der Stel residence. You up for some curry in your @rse? Do you homework nitwit. In a nutshell. It belongs to previously disadvantaged. That still part of you claims?

      Poloyatonki Kgosi814 - 2014-07-10 12:48

      Ben S... Stop being an idiot, Simon Van Der Stel chased away people from their land and renamed it Stellenbosch.

      Mark Blane - 2014-07-10 13:02

      Shame Lee they tried and failed I will send you the address off their gravestones if you would like.

      Mark Blane - 2014-07-10 13:08

      You see Lee the difference between you and me is that I work for what I want you to lazy and stupid to see that you are entitled to nothing in South Africa because you have not worked for it and you are as much a non South African as I am... You ancestors are not from here so seriously shut-up and practice what you preach...

      . - 2014-07-10 13:15

      Polytonki, Simon Van Der Stel wasn't white but anyway! Aside from that being born somewhere doesn't give you automatic ownership of that land, hell there isn't enough land to give everyone born a piece of land!

  • Jackie van der Merwe - 2014-07-10 11:52

    As long as its from 1913 only as stated. Africans mst get their land back which was stolen then there will b equility in this country.

      Andre Riccardo Gomes - 2014-07-10 12:06

      You mean black people. we're all african!!

      Lido Martin Graham - 2014-07-10 18:15

      As far as i can tell the Government is the biggest owner of land and the last time i checked it was a black government.So i guess u have your land back. Trouble is...they not sharing.More interested in stirring racial hatred among the few as the majority of South Africans live without hate in their hearts.

  • Progress Knowles - 2014-07-10 11:53

    I'm a bit confused. Is this minister not suppose to sort out the mess in sabc she created by appointing that candidate with junior certificate (that certificate no longer exists) instead of being a spoke person for Gugile Nkwinta. Wow anc is just a circus without a direction

      Mike Heyns - 2014-07-10 13:17

      @Progress: What do you think will happen if they unfortunately (but very likely) allocate say 500 hectares to a Xhosa and Zulu chief??

  • Schalk Bothma - 2014-07-10 11:54

    Yes yes take back the land so we can be the same as the highly succesfull Zimbabwe and Ghana and Zambia and the rest of Africa - growth and abubdance and a future for our children. .......oh wait...someone just told me...Africa not that successful.

  • Andrew M - 2014-07-10 11:57

    Just how many would be valid? As it seems anyone can lay claim to land that may have been legitimately sold by chiefs of old. One can only but wonder where such records are kept to prove ownership.

  • Mark Blane - 2014-07-10 11:59

    Hey look 400 000 blacks in South Africa looking for a free hand out again... You probably find that if you look at there ancestral heritage they are actually not South African like 80% of the blacks in South Africa are not... So in actual fact if you go back in history and you want to give land back to the original tribe that land was taken from it should go back to the Khoikhoi or the Khoisan... The rest of you must go claim your land back North where you belong...

  • Hennie Barnard - 2014-07-10 11:59

    @Titus why start with Stellenbosch and Franschoek? Because white people created something of value and you want a share. Land value is determined by supply and demand. If the people who make that land valuable are removed from that land, the demand for that land will drop and it will be useless. And by the way the majority of tax payers are white.

  • Theunis De Jongh - 2014-07-10 12:01

    Did you guys know that 38% of statistics are made up on the spot ? Let's wait for the actual numbers to roll in minister :-)

      Deeked De Dose - 2014-07-10 12:14

      Actually Thenuis, 85% of stats are made up on the spot... 90% of all actuaries agree with me.....

  • ferdi.baard.5 - 2014-07-10 12:02

    400 000!!!! What info does she base this figure on? Where we're all these claimants pre'98. I smell a fat decaying Rat!! 400 000 multiplied by an average of 500 ha per claim that's 20 million ha. What an absolute circus!!! Another lie told by an incompetent gravy train conductor!!!

  • Sifiso Sfiman Sizani - 2014-07-10 12:02

    Minister Faith Mutambi is suppose to be busy addressing challenges of her department that is non - functional at the moment. The Minister before her was much better. Faith Mutambi must sort out the mess she created at the public broadcaster. Minister Nkwinti is doing just fine, she does not have to speak for him.

  • Francois Marx - 2014-07-10 12:03

    He sounds proud, excited, happy about it....

  • Patricia Roos Fletcher - 2014-07-10 12:05

    Give them their land, but let them live on their land. Work their land pay rates and taxes and abide by all the building rules and regulations.

  • Sizwe Sly - 2014-07-10 12:06

    damn that sounds like all the land in the country. But then again it does belong to the African who is claiming it.

      . - 2014-07-10 13:18

      On what basis? Being born somewhere does not give you ownership.

      Ben S - 2014-07-10 13:45

      Do yourself a favour and read up the S. African history on GOOGLE. It has always been there. A lot of people are in for a big surprise.

  • Lloyd Venske - 2014-07-10 12:08

    My claim is in Saxonwold for the Gupta ville, its all dirty money and I want to live there.

  • Dorino Kalamaras - 2014-07-10 12:12

    What the hell is the comms minister wasting time with this ?? Its not even her department... Fix the telecoms industry by providing fibre to those who need it..

  • ferdi.baard.5 - 2014-07-10 12:14

    Andre Gomes, at last someone who speaks sense. Thank you sir!!!!!

  • Patricia Roos Fletcher - 2014-07-10 12:22

    Wow goodbye banks! no more land no more loans to pay back, no more rates and taxes. I want to squat on the beach and watch the sun come up everyday, living of my grant the gov. is going to pay me.

  • Thomas James - 2014-07-10 12:29

    Would be great if we can be deported back to Europe. Just wish full thinking from my side

  • ferdi.baard.5 - 2014-07-10 12:31

    CynicalBookworm, anyone who argues with you cannot possibly be educated beyond st3. Can I clone your brain?!!!'

  • Famida Nana - 2014-07-10 12:31

    If land is what they want, then give it to them but minus all the cities, roads, suburbs, electricity, clean water etc. Let it be how it was in the year that they are claiming the land from. Then let's sit back and watch how long it takes them to make it the way it is now. Who are they going to run to then about poor service delivery etc.

  • Frits Fouché - 2014-07-10 12:35

    So it is not enough that the mining sector is destabilizing the economy.. you want to bring the farms down too. Yea thats not smart.

  • SidneyGilroy - 2014-07-10 12:37

    Please start by restoring the Zulu Kingdom to it's 1838 boundries. That's all of Kwazulu Natal, half the Freestate and parts of Mpumalanga and the Eastern Cape. Then Goodwill can be the monarch and it can be known as the Kingdom of Zulu and be a country on it's own. Also. You will have to give the Northwest Province, with all it's platinum, back to Zimbabwe. The British gave that part of old Rhodesia to us way back. It's only fair. I agree. Apartheid and Imperialism was a horrible, horrible thing. Let's restore the semi-desert and mineral poor parts back to it's rightful owners and the mineral rich and agricultural food baskets to theirs'!

  • Sandy Cohen - 2014-07-10 12:45

    Ha ha ha Famida and they can take over the debt as well

  • joe.smit.549 - 2014-07-10 12:54

    Log them all, and give it to the pig farmer...

  • Johann Enslin - 2014-07-10 12:55

    A quick question...how much of the current land is owned by die king and chiefs and how much by individual citizens? By the grace of tribal leaders...

  • Michael Beukes - 2014-07-10 12:58

    I'm sure we can all share this land? WHY NOT? We are all part of the system but we do not all get the benefits...even if under skilled or whatever what's wrong with employing a skilled worker and you own the land? we can call it benefit sharing

  • Danie Cronje - 2014-07-10 13:10

    South africa is 1219912 square kilometres. Divide by the 400000 so called claiments that amount to about 3 square kilometres. So 1.73km by 1.73 km. Depending on the sizes claimed by each individual. The people currently living in south africa should seek to start building houses on the sea. What a laugh.

  • Dave Swart - 2014-07-10 13:14

    People think it is their right to own land. I grew up being taught that nothing in life is free. You work for what you want to be able to pay for what you wish to acquire. There is no such thing as a free lunch - someone has to pay for it. If land is a birth right, then I should also be given land because I was born here! Most property owners in this country paid for it - they did not get it for free. This 'culture' of entitlement will be the ruin of this country. The grants given to people are paid for by the taxes of the people who bought land with their hard earned money. Getting rid of them and other business people will lead to the inability to continue paying out grants and in the end nobody will get anything. If you think the land-grab system works then go live in Zimbabwe to experience what that country is now like compared to what it was 20years ago. If it was so great then we would not have so many Zimbabweans living outside of Zimbabwe!

      Jackie van der Merwe - 2014-07-10 13:28

      Yes coz ur great grandfather already robbed it

      Christa Chrissie Brandkamp - 2014-07-10 14:37

      It puzzles me over and over again how Blacks think they are ENTITLED to land? I would say yes, if there is genuine proof that someone owned land recently (and not back in the 1800's) and someone came and removed them by force, then they should be compensated. But how far back does one go? If I had to research my ancestors I would probably find that in the many wars and changing border of Europe, I probably had family who owned land and lost it due to one of said wars... but does that give me the right to go and claim it back? No it does not. In days gone by, war was had and land was won, it was the prize for winning, for conquering. Now we have a new modern world where you have to work and buy or rent land! Amazing how these idiots want all the modern conveniences (W&L, Cell phones, cars, appliances) which came mostly from Europe, but they don't want to work for it... it's just give me - give me! Can they not see that this mentality doesn't work? Look at the whole of Africa, it's a disaster, and always asking for hand-outs from the very people they don't want around! I wish the rest of the world would stop all it's Aid to Africa... lets see where they would be a few years down the line.... land or no land (they don't have a clue how to work it efficiently, or are too lazy), they will not survive, they will die in the millions!

      Morubula Huma - 2014-07-10 14:50

      nothing for Free? but your Grandfathers Got the Land for Free. what's wrong with blacks getting it Back?

      Bernadette Coetzee - 2014-07-28 20:21

      Morubula, I bought my land in 2010. So pray tell me who did I steal it from? Why should I have to give up my land without compensation?

  • SapientiaEtVeritas - 2014-07-10 13:15

    People can't you see? this is just a stirring of the big fat Pot!... Divide and Conquer... eish!, and like coconuts we all fall for the jokes...

  • Patrick MoreFire Vianello - 2014-07-10 13:22

    Hey Poloyatonki Kgosi814 - we stole nothing from the blacks. The blacks stole land from the San. You don't even know history, you just say blatant remarks without proof. You say it because mommy and daddy told you so. Go look at the bushmen rock art at the Drakensberg, there are interpretations that they were scared of the Zulus. So shut up about stolen land and go back cross the Limpopo. You colonized southern Africa. Stop playing the entitlement card and work. idiot.

  • Dave Swart - 2014-07-10 13:26

    Looking at land from another point of view, whose land is it? Most of the SA tribes moved down from the North centuries ago. At that time there were few people living at the tip of Africa. If my scant memory of history serves me correctly there were referred to as Strandlopers. So who does the land belong to because most people in SA at present - both black and white did not originate from here - or is the time period for land ownership selectively selected to favour certain tribes?

      Patrick MoreFire Vianello - 2014-07-10 13:33

      coloureds, since they the only ones who have blood strains from the strandlopers, San etc. But the black nationalists won't have it. They care %^&* for the coloureds. All they care about is themselves. It's high time the coloureds rise up with regards to this question because they are the only legitimate people who can lay any claim to this country if one goes beyond 1000 years ago. Also with special reference to Western South Africa. Blacks have absolutely no claim to Western South Africa because before 1950, they were not anywhere to be seen!

      Patrick MoreFire Vianello - 2014-07-10 13:58

      yes, it's just being drilled into their brains so much. The propaganda from mommy and daddy into their brains - the minister of propaganda in Nazi Germany - Goebels would be proud of mommy and daddy

      Morubula Huma - 2014-07-10 14:44

      has Anyone ever Heard of Mapungubwe Nature Reserve? it's in limpopo and has an Archeological Site of an Ancient civilization that is 1000 years old. it had Remains of huts and pottery Proving that blacks have been Around for at Least a Thousand years.

      JamesMWood - 2014-07-10 15:37

      Right because only blacks knew how to build huts and make pottery?

  • Roddy Jardim - 2014-07-10 13:27

    Here here !

      Lido Martin Graham - 2014-07-10 18:03

      Two adult burials (labeled numbers 10 and 14 by the early excavators) as well as one unlabelled skeleton (referred to as the original gold burial)[11] were associated with gold artefacts and were unearthed from the so-called grave area upon Mapungubwe hill. Recent genetic studies found these first two skeletons to be of Khoi/San decent and thought to be a king and queen of Mapungubwe.

  • jonas.Bnet - 2014-07-10 13:31

    Where does it end, should the British then put a claim in from before and the Dutch and should Portugal put a claim in for mocambique and all the blacks in central and Northern Africa out a claim in from the Arabs that wiped them out

  • Helen Jackson - 2014-07-10 13:33

    After all this claiming of land, maybe everybody will have a piece of land big enough for a tree and a chair to sit and do nothing.

  • Jackie van der Merwe - 2014-07-10 13:34

    Lol news24 politicians, ur opinions are irrelevant. Legislature will be passed and executed. I mst call my grandfather 2 finalize our claim.

  • jonas.Bnet - 2014-07-10 13:35

    I own no land and some of my ancestry was disposed of their land but that is the way life is, for me this is a political agenda and if government wants to pay 400000 current landowners to take the land back and they immigrate we lose all that has been developed although I am sure the new owners will make you most of it. But to use history at ones own discretion it just looks like a political game.

  • Patrick MoreFire Vianello - 2014-07-10 13:36

    Oh and with regards to Durban - kick out the blacks, whites and the small population of coloureds there and let the Indians run the city. That city will be one of the best 1st world cities in the world. Those guys know how to run businesses! I mean - they came as slaves to work on sugar plantations on Natal and today they highly successful businesses. lol - those guys rise up the ladder quickly!

  • Jackie van der Merwe - 2014-07-10 13:38

    If one person can own 10 000 hectors of land, then we can share. It African land so they deserve their fair share. Some racist r saying black can't farm, wht were they eating before Europeans came to Africa.

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-07-10 14:24

      peanuts

      Peter William - 2014-07-10 14:24

      Mealies

      Julie Elisabeth Craytor - 2014-07-10 14:25

      bananas

      Christa Chrissie Brandkamp - 2014-07-10 14:46

      How can you even ask that? What were they eating before...? This is not the stone age where they can hunt and gather, this is a modern world with a large population, surely even you must know that it is vital that well COMMERCIAL FARMING is successful. And not just to feed you own nation, but also for export purposes! Are you really that dumb? Unbelievable! And for your info, I don't own any land, I rent a place... should I now say I am entitled to own land in Europe (which is where I am from and going back there soon), just because I can't afford to buy any?

  • Jackie van der Merwe - 2014-07-10 13:42

    Bafana Malaza u r 100% right. The country will even be a better place.

      Patrick MoreFire Vianello - 2014-07-10 13:54

      ja, a war torn destroyed nation worse than Israel. You saw the amount of people Steve Hofmeyr summoned for a simple festival last week - 45000. lol, this is not Zim with a mere 100000 whites. Get real

  • Bhekisisa Shezi - 2014-07-10 13:43

    Inequality would be the language of the past.Thank you SA govt indeed you care for blacks and whites.

  • Bhekisisa Shezi - 2014-07-10 13:50

    The lagacy of his excellency JG Zuma will never be forgotten in the history to reverse the evil of the past.

      Lido Martin Graham - 2014-07-10 17:36

      its your biggest problem my friend....living in the past keeps u from building a brighter future.

  • Jackie van der Merwe - 2014-07-10 13:54

    Yes Shezi our president is the most productive president ever. He deserves Nkandla and all the benefits

      ferdi.baard.5 - 2014-07-10 14:25

      Jackie, are you sure your real name isn't Jacob. No clear thinking individual can come up as much bulls@&t as what you have. "The most destructive president ever" you should have said!!! You seem to be a bigger racist than any white person on this forum. Sies man, gerda jouself!!

      William Wallace - 2014-07-10 16:38

      Don't you mean the most REproductive president ever?

  • Bhekisisa Shezi - 2014-07-10 13:57

    After 20 years of democracy we begin to taste the fruits of the freedom

  • Bhekisisa Shezi - 2014-07-10 14:02

    Let us not be misunderstood we love our whites bros and sisters but what we hate is inequality.

  • MJS1234 - 2014-07-10 14:25

    Land is a vote winner, simple. The real issues such as education, healthcare and crime aren't as appealing. if we had a excellent education system, giving all children an equal start in life, nearly all of the problems we face would fall away. But no, that seems too much like hard work, lets just give everybody things for nothing instead of teaching them how to be self sufficient.

  • Valerie Vale - 2014-07-10 14:41

    Clown!

  • Peter William - 2014-07-10 15:16

    You'll make bloody sure 400,000 come forward. If the farmer went onto a barren piece of land and he made it fertile some a**ehole will claim he sat on a margerine box on that land, and lodges a land claim

  • Adriaan De Lange - 2014-07-10 15:26

    And that is when food supply will stop. Modise great example!

  • Shuma Papa-Rifuwo Nkuna - 2014-07-10 15:36

    what i don't really get is what do they want to do with this land? who determines what portion this person get? how is it relevant to championing poverty? will people get employed by this land? as much as times have changed like this, is it important? if they claim the one currently contributing to the economy, do we chase the current owners? what skill do this people possess to cultivate the land? how has not owning land adversely affected they lives? and how will this improve it? how do they know their forefathers originate from SA? from which forefather do we decide is the rightful owner?

      ferdi.baard.5 - 2014-07-10 15:50

      Shuma, you obviously have more common sense than most on this forum. I'm sure Jacob, sorry, I mean Jackie van der Merwe will have something racist and demeaning to offer as her opinion.