Minister rules out death penalty in SA

2013-02-12 12:50

Bredasdorp - The two men accused of killing Bredasdorp teenager Anene Booysen must not be granted bail, Women and Children Minister Lulu Xingwana said on Tuesday.

"We are saying to the courts today there must be no bail," she told reporters after the appearance of Jonathan Davids and Johannes Kana in the Bredasdorp Magistrate's Court.

Xingwana said tough sentences could be a deterrent to criminals that abused and killed women and children.

The men appeared for the rape and killing of Booysen, 17, who was found at a local construction site on Saturday 2 February after visiting a club the previous night. She was brutally injured and disembowelled.

Xingwana attended the court hearing and sat next to Booysen's relatives, comforting them with hugs and words.

The case was postponed to 26 February for bail applications.

The two men hid their faces with a towel and jacket. The court ruled on Monday that their faces not be shown in the media because the State believed this could jeopardise the ongoing investigation.

Death sentence, castration

Xingwana said government was leading "from the front" when it came to crimes against women and children. Police had a sexual offences unit and units for protecting families and children. A concerted effort was also being made to establish sexual offences courts.

When asked if government would reinstate the death penalty for such crimes, Xingwana said this was against the democratic values of the country.

"It is against our ethos of human rights."

She said the country would not consider castration of rapists as practised by select countries.

"We will not do anything that is illegal as government. Well, we believe in human rights of all people and believe the courts are the body that should be given the authority to ensure the law takes its course."

The minister said the entire nation shared in the grief of Booysen's family and that her death would not be in vain.

  • hussein.diedericks - 2013-02-12 12:55

    But it seems the criminals has more rights!!!..

      TSR01 - 2013-02-12 13:20

      A criminal should lose their rights when they violate someone else's. The punishment should fit the crime. It was rape AND murder, so how can that be treated as "democratically acceptable"? If they want a real democracy, LET THE PEOPLE VOTE ON THE RE-INSTATEMENT OF THE DEATH PENALTY!!!

      godfrey.welman - 2013-02-12 14:53

      And they wonder why "mob-justice" are performed.

      Jesus - 2013-02-12 15:02

      They do as they are protected by the law! We for one are not..

  • a.h.joubert - 2013-02-12 12:55

    What about the human rights of the girl that got raped?

      philip.hoffmann.79 - 2013-02-12 14:15

      Margie, What I don't understand is since when does the government decide what the people want? I promise you in a referendum the odds will by about 90% yes and 10% no. If that high.

  • neels.faber.1 - 2013-02-12 12:58

    Human rights,its only the accused that have that rights,the victim have none and other victims,that is still alive also have none.

      philip.hoffmann.79 - 2013-02-12 14:06

      Yes my point exactly, what about the law-abiding citizen? Why is our human rights not protected from these animals?

  • ian.frost.9047 - 2013-02-12 12:59

    Wait till its done to your daughter minister!

      D_MAN - 2013-02-12 13:22


  • SKYWATCHER30 - 2013-02-12 12:59

    Ha ha what a joke and they expect me to vote for them, then again the DA is against the death penalty too, so stuff you both, the circus has too may clowns in charge, just about the whole of africa has the death penalty but not south land, what a joke

      robbie.crouch - 2013-02-12 14:31

      Botswana has probably the lowest crime rate in Southern Africa... I wonder why?

  • mofstok - 2013-02-12 12:59

    What about the human rights of the victims minister? Do those not count in our country? Rapists and murderers deserve to pay the ultimate price.

  • mkulisi.patso - 2013-02-12 13:00

    Forget it people not even under the DA will the death penalty be brought back. You would have to vote for a very traditionalist or right wing party to see that happen.

  • regte.boer - 2013-02-12 13:00

    What happened to Anene's human rights? Her basic right to live was taken away by these savages. They do not deserve to live. By not bringing back the death penalty for crimes like these the ANC is condoning such crimes.

  • Thomas - 2013-02-12 13:00

    If they bring back the death penalty the ANC will loose more than half their supporters!!

  • 1gascan - 2013-02-12 13:00

    So in other words, nothing will change Lulu...? Something has to give!

  • Perfume - 2013-02-12 13:01

    What flippin HUMAN RIGHTS does a rapist have!!!!!!!!!! Anene Booysen (17), Ofentse Mogale (11) and many other victims had the right to LIVE, their lives were snatched away from the ones who are wanting their rights preserved. Can someone please tell me what this woman is smoking - lives of families will never be the same, go and ask the victims families what they want!!!!!!

  • ThandoGqabaza - 2013-02-12 13:01

    What about the rights of the Victim ?

  • zane.jacobsen - 2013-02-12 13:02

    No have no rights if you rape someone......

  • Jesus - 2013-02-12 13:02

    Xingwana said government was leading "from the front" when it came to crimes against women and children. So is the government doing/causing these crimes? Just bring back the death penalty and more stern punishment and the crime rate should go down..

      su.quinn.5 - 2013-02-12 13:31

      Because its a fact that rapists cannot be rehabilitated!!! EVER!!! Why do we even want rapists roaming the streets and they will after they are let out for good behaviour from overburdened prison systems. String them up and be done with it.

      pieter.botha.3591 - 2013-02-12 13:41

      As you said, goverment is leading from the front. We can not hang our government.

      willem.dehaan.94 - 2013-02-12 13:55

      What she meant was that our president leads the way.

  • patrick.buckley.712 - 2013-02-12 13:03

    "against our ethos of human rights" simple.....the miscreants that perpetrate these crimes are not human.

  • Hennie - 2013-02-12 13:03

    Where is the human rights of the victims? This girl was raped, her stomach was cut, her intestines where pulled out? Did they handle her like a human? It is easy to say no for things, but it just shows you how far is the politicians removed from the people.

  • Dazza22 - 2013-02-12 13:03

    What about the victim's ethos of human rights? Do they have none?

  • pietie.jones - 2013-02-12 13:03

    They are not humans! They're evil! Deliver them unto the Lord® for judgement!

  • StreetRacer911 - 2013-02-12 13:03

    Another naive official. How many THOUSANDS of rape cases would never happen if castration was the penalty?? A rapist is a monster. Anybody who commits such a hideous crime, have lost their human rights. Kill the rapists and murderers. Cut the fingers of thieves. 5 years and SA would be a hundred times safer than it is now

      salome.debruin.1 - 2013-02-12 13:27

      Castration won't help, they will only use other crude objects to rape their victims. But I do agree with you....execute them. If they cannot live in society without doing these horrendous things, then they should be taken out of society. If they can take a life so easily, we must have no regard for theirs!

      nevergrowupgirl - 2013-02-12 16:15

      Cut their bothering bits and hands off too! Then they can't pick up anything. Do it in public, so people can see, and realise what price they have to pay! If they won't condone the death penalty, chop chop CHOP it off!!!

  • roger.hess.14 - 2013-02-12 13:03

    "It is against our ethos of human rights." Right, what about the victims rights and those of their families? Nonsense!

  • CarolynDewrance - 2013-02-12 13:03

    So "It is against our ethos of human rights." what if it was your daughter, The bible says an eye for and eye and a life for a life.

  • Dale von Romburgh - 2013-02-12 13:04

    How can the minister say every1 has human rights? People that do crimes like that are inhuman! Where is all this going to stop! This country lets the rapists murderer's etc get away with everything, thats why rape, abuse, murder are on the increase!

  • phatudi.nathaniel - 2013-02-12 13:05

    k fine raping and killing are in line with the democratic values of the country

  • dnbates - 2013-02-12 13:05

    it's also a human right to live in a safe society....i say bring back the death penalty it's not the government's place to dictate to the people, it's our job as the people to dictate to the government! bring back the death penalty!

  • - 2013-02-12 13:05

    Hon Minister. Are rapists and murderers 'human'? Do they respect the ethos on human rights we all want to fly whenever they do what they know best? Rights are always enjoyed in relation of anyones right to respect the rights of others. The beasts never respect the rights of others so naturally, they should lose theirs.

  • mariek.raubenheimer - 2013-02-12 13:05

    They should not be allowed to hide their faces, are they laughing or why are they now shy? And what a pity that we can not have the death penalty in cases like these. They are monsters and do not deserve rights in our society.

  • David - 2013-02-12 13:05

    WOW. At least we know the national government supports crimes against women and children. Murderers and rapists, and child murderers and rapist have NO RIGHTS to any part of any society as a person, because they destroy and kills the rights and lives of their victims. It is disgusting that the government shows their hand in this way. As it is, many of the SAPS that has been employed to do this job, do do all that much, and make those SAPS members that do work, look bad. Anyone that says a MURDERER OR RAPIST of women and children has rights, support criminals.

  • kyle.naidoo.3572 - 2013-02-12 13:06

    What a load of crap.SA and its liberal human rights , the place where prisoners have more rights , better educational prospects , food etc , than the man in the street. Lead from the front of what exactly ...... Sting these vermon up by their entrails and death to any other who rape , murders , hijacks , abuses others.

  • warren-rodel - 2013-02-12 13:06

    Pricks that commit crimes like this do not deserve rights - they deserve death!

  • victor.singaram - 2013-02-12 13:06

    "It is against our ethos of human rights." What about the ethos of the victim.......these monsters are not fit to be called human

  • pikeyh1ll - 2013-02-12 13:06

    "We will not do anything that is illegal as government." What about the fraud all of your idiot buddies in the anc commits? is that not illegal?

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2013-02-12 13:06

    When asked if government would reinstate the death penalty for such crimes, Xingwana said this was against the democratic values of the country. It is against our ethos of human rights. WTF is this woman on? Again the victims are overlooked. What about the democratic values of the victims?! Think I should organise for her family to be raped and murdered and see if she would like those criminals to live a full carefree life in prison on her taxes.

  • koos.vandermerwe.75 - 2013-02-12 13:07

    Why don’t you tell that to the thousands of dead victims.

  • wayne109 - 2013-02-12 13:07

    what a joke keep on murdering and maiming !!!WE WILL JUST TAKE THE LAW IN OUT OWN HANDS !!!

  • jasonnel007 - 2013-02-12 13:07

    "It is against our ethos of human rights." what a joke what about the poor woman getting raped where is her rights gone. i'm sure these idiots would not say this if it was one of their kids that got raped and murdered typical SA name shame and blame but as usual no action.....

  • jacquespvn - 2013-02-12 13:07

    Ja sure don't bring back the death penalty, these 3 will be out in a few years doing the same to another poor girl.

  • frederick.kaczynski - 2013-02-12 13:07

    what rights should a person have for taking away the rights of another?

  • markjack.deppe - 2013-02-12 13:07

    How can tough sentences be a deterrent for crimes of this nature when violence on our people continues unabated. The sentence is no longer a deterrent so the Minister should wake up under the rock she has been sleeping under and find other mechanisms to act as a deterrent. Why not try a labour camp for instance. This will not go against the ethos of human rights surely.

      steve.gibson.146612 - 2013-02-12 13:27

      Murderers are supposed to at least receive a life sentence for murder yet the only ones to receive life are those murderers that take more than one life. It appears as if most murderers are out of prison before serving even 12 years!!!!

  • WHMuller - 2013-02-12 13:08

    What about Anene's human rights? Murderers and rapists, criminals have more rights than the victims and that's why this country is in such a state.

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2013-02-12 13:08

    When asked if government would reinstate the death penalty for such crimes, Xingwana said this was against the democratic values of the country. It is against our ethos of human rights. WTF is this woman on? Again the victims are overlooked. What about the democratic values of the victims?! Think I should organise for her family to be raped and murdered and see if she would like those criminals to live a full carefree life in prison on her taxes.

  • stan.luthuli - 2013-02-12 13:09

    So, Ms Minister the death penalty is "is against our ethos of human rights."? And the murder of innocent children and women isn't? These people deserve to die, please!

  • roxy.kirsten - 2013-02-12 13:09

    Yes, and what about Anene's human rights? These monsters should have no rights!!

  • tim.gordon.5011516 - 2013-02-12 13:09

    Minister, it is not your decision. It is the decision of the people.

  • charlesbronson.bronson - 2013-02-12 13:09

    That is a shame because this country is crying and dying under the corrupted ANC!

  • donovan.mccabe.18 - 2013-02-12 13:10

    These f&^%$ lost their human rights when they committed this violent, Sick act. They should be put down in the most horrible way known to man. I live in fear for my daughters everyday knowing that we live in a country run by criminals, where they have more rights than the victims. Violating Human Rights my arse. Send them to Hell in a basket. They do not deserve to live

  • callie.ritter - 2013-02-12 13:10

    Rubbish, do you believe your own drivel? What a lulu. No no human rights for Anene, she got treated like rubbish and you spout human rights. Disgusting

  • cathy.vanvollenstee - 2013-02-12 13:10

    And the human rights of the victims? As citizens of this country we have a right to be safe and protected against all crime! What is govt doing about our rights? Nada! Zip! Nothing! Naught!

  • honey.deelishus - 2013-02-12 13:10

    Human Rights??? This Government has a total lack of respect for human rights - look at the abusive way they treat their own people! Ethos - you obviously don't know the meaning of the word - The characteristic spirit of a culture, era, or community as seen in its beliefs and aspirations. You break the spirit of a culture, blame the past era and screw the community, its beliefs and aspirations! The only aspirations achieved have been by corrupt politicians lining their feathered nests. As for the death penalty - these sick morons gave up their human rights when they murdered and raped - they are no longer fit to be called humans!

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2013-02-12 13:11

    Xingwana said this was against the democratic values of the country??? HUH? Does that not mean that the majority decides on that like the ANC enforces everything else? Seems like "democratic values" are very selected in so far as the ANC is concerned.

  • JollyJoker - 2013-02-12 13:11

    "...ethos of human rights" Please, if you put in half as much effort into governing the country as you do in squandering the country's money, you will realize the death penalty is the only way to go for crimes of this magnitude.