Mogoeng called arrogant, short tempered

2011-09-03 17:28

Cape Town - Chief Justice nominee Mogoeng Mogoeng defended his "intellectual depth" in an interview with the Judicial Services Commission (JSC) on Saturday.

"I have no doubt about my own intellectual depth," Mogoeng said after being asked why he had not written any legal articles as other judges had.

Mogoeng said he did not have a "passion for writing".

He added he had always had a problem with colleagues who used words "you had to look up in a dictionary to understand" and that he was "passionate about judicial education".

"When I was Judge President of the North West, I would subject myself to interact with public on radio. People were just hungry to know the basics.

Special sitting

Mogoeng was being interviewed in a special sitting of the JSC in Cape Town to assess his suitability as chief justice. He was nominated for the job by President Jacob Zuma, following former chief justice Sandile Ngcobo's retirement after his term of office expired on August 14.

Deputy Chief Justice Dikgang Moseneke, who chaired the interview, asked Mogoeng why he thought he had been nominated by Zuma.

"There are many other people who have had extended exposure in judiciary. Why do you think you are president's nominee?" Moseneke asked.

Mogoeng replied that the Constitution gave the president the prerogative to decide on who he thought was the best candidate.

Commissioner Krish Govender challenged Mogoeng over a reference he had made to "minor injuries" suffered by a young girl when she was raped.

"To me you can't have something as a minor injury when it comes to rape," Govender said.

"It cannot be diminished by judging amount of injury caused to the woman."

Mogoeng said he had dealt with many rape cases and that there were "people who are so brutal to women and children, they literally tear them apart mercilessly".

"I have seen worst you can imagine in many cases," he said.

"They vary in degrees, that is all I am trying to put across. Some even die in the process."

Short temper

On the infamous Dey case in the Constitutional Court, Mogoeng said he had "erred" by not providing reasons for his dissent.

"I did not have the time to reflect properly on the matter," he said.

Mogoeng said he had not failed to give reasons because he had anything against gay people.

He reiterated he was committed to the Constitution, but questioned further he conceded that he should not have dissented on the judgment.

At one point following a remark by Moseneke to his reply to a question Mogoeng cut in to say "there is no need to be sarcastic".

Inkatha Freedom Party MP Koos van der Merwe said in his 15 years as a commissioner on the JSC, he had never seen a candidate behave that way.

Van der Merwe asked Mogoeng whether he had a "short temper" after his outburst at Moseneke.

"It points to me that you are not suitable to be the number one lawyer in the country.

"This is the first time in 15 years that applicant is so arrogant that he has done what you have done now.

Mogoeng then apologised.

"Deputy chief justice I did the wrong thing," he said.

"I apologise."


Commissioner Nick Koornhof told Mogoeng that if he became chief justice, he would need "strength" to stand up to the executive when it was necessary.

"For that you will need experience," he said.

"I think you should have been a few years older, but nevertheless if I look at your questionnaire you don't have any publications in field of law.

"If we compare you with fellow judge for same time, they will have far more reported cases than you."

Commissioner Engela Schlemmer said she had an "uneasy feeling" about Mogoeng's experience.

"Maybe you lack the experience in the judiciary to become chief justice," she said.

"Many other judges have written more judges that have been published.

"We don't have anything to look at to see what your judicial experience amounts to.

"I don't see anything on paper that can convince me otherwise."

Mogoeng said he had been a judge for 14 years and that whether others agreed with his judgments was "neither here nor there".

"I am saying in a nutshell, I have judicial experience," he said.

"I have been a judge writing judgments for more than 14 years."

  • Peg-Leg-Sven - 2011-09-03 17:35

    If this Moegoe is made chief Justice, then God help South Africa

      THE.SRG - 2011-09-03 17:56

      didnt see your post before mine but it looks like we on the same page

      NuttyPeanuts - 2011-09-03 18:31

      Yep, Zuma wants him there though to pass the secrecy bill as constitutional. ANC only cares about themselves and their corruption. Zuma compared to Malema might seem as the lesser of two evils, but both are still very evil. God Help South Africa!

      Sedick - 2011-09-03 19:34

      Moegoe is a Zuma man to help Zuma and his Cadres get out of past and future corruption cases........just as Similane, Manyi, Shicika, Cele, etc, are.......

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-03 19:55

      Quite agree with you Peg-Leg-Sven. Besides being arrogant with a victim mentality, he has very primitive and tribal beliefs. Maybe he hasn't realised yet that we're in the 21st century. But then what would you expect from a candidate recommended by Zoomer 783.

      Rolie - 2011-09-04 08:09


      Kevin - 2011-09-04 09:11

      If only we had a president who remotely understood his job and the need for SA to be led by responsible people. When the wrong person is nominated it can impact on a nation for decades.

      Vince York - 2011-09-04 09:31

      DEMOCRACY and KINGS do not mix! The underlying principle reason for needing easily coerced and "favourable lap dogs" in critical positions is for Zuma to follow through on his promises to those that managed to use every dirty trick in the book to have him oust another President and get himself back on track to the gravy train and implant TRIBAL POWER over the democratic processes and strengths. Minister Nathi Mthethwa on state of governance in traditional affairs (English) Minister Mthethwa's address to recognised Kings of South Africa (Perceive as well, the reason for sniggering at the Western Cape and statements to reduce provinces and so autocratically remove any more opposing this terribly wrong intention against democracy) He has enriched the tribal traditional royals and quietly supported every dictator blatantly in face of democracy. He has continuously assaulted and insulted 25%PLUS of the citizens. And his attempts to TRIBALISE SA using criminally tainted arrogant and sick Shiceka, now under Nathi Mthethwa - are about to steamroll Tribal Kings in to smother the last vestiges of the once rainbow dream democracy (now blackened charred scatterings). DOES the position of Chief Justice carry power to VETO - and so arrogantly seat himself into a position to single-handedly UNDERMINE & SUBVERT Justice & Democracy "veiled within legalese"? [Mpshe has giggled his way through a similar dastardly crushing and oppressive action before]

      alicia - 2011-09-04 13:13

      Arrogant, Stupid and an Ego, so blown up....that is all this man is. God Help Us!

      marco - 2011-09-04 20:15

      South Africa needs its judiciary to underpin its social progress.In a country where abortion is legal,same-sex couples marry,a strong civil society and an independent judiciary lets hope this virtual unknown Mogoeng's nomination as chief justice don't undermine the country's reputation as the most liberal outpost in all of Africa.No society is static,least of all African societies. I wonder why Zuma has twice now overlooked Dikgang Moseneke,Sandile Ngcobo's long-serving deputy,for this position?Is it because he serves the people of South Africa rather than the ANC and the Zuma power clique?It seems Moseneke has the reputation for being fiercely independent and he is a former political prisoner as well.So why ditch him and nominate Mogoeng? Mogoeng is a lightweight compared with the other judges that make up the 11-person constitutional court.I guess South African democracy faces two connected fears:a social conservative backlash and a lapdog judiciary.Mogoeng is a bit of an idiot.As a prosecutor in the 1980s Bophuthatswana he was overzealous in advocating the now unconstitutional death penalty,in 2001 he ruled that a 2 year sentence imposed on a man who tied a woman to the bumper of his car and dragged her at high speed was "too harsh",in 2004 he reduced by half a man's sentence for raping his 8month pregnant wife because they were not strangers and in 2007 he suspended a two-year jail sentence against a man who had raped his wife saying he had been sexually aroused.

      sabc10 - 2011-09-05 13:32

      Imagine having a Mogoeng vs Malema situation. They seem to come across as the same...would you not agree.?

  • THE.SRG - 2011-09-03 17:39

    his name should be Moegoe Moegoe

      burtfred - 2011-09-04 08:47

      You left out Madam Zille

      Ke maketse - 2011-09-05 10:14

      Just because u hate the man does not mean u should butcher his family name. There are other Mogoeng's out there who have done nothing to you

  • Phaedioux - 2011-09-03 17:41

    Not my idea of an ideal candidate, but then again we are running short of competent skills in all spheres of activity in SA lately. Maybe one day even Malema might be condidered to be a judge as solicitors and then advocates will come straight from Secondary schools?

      Phaedioux - 2011-09-03 17:43

      condidered = considered

      Phaedioux - 2011-09-03 17:54

      Then..... Malema can give UK reporters a life sentence for 'having those tendencies'!

      Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 18:22

      The irony is that the Constitutional Court Bench bristles with excellent candidates - no shortage of talent, experience and judicial depth there, but not one of the other judges is suitable as a puppet. This man has no passion for writing and has to look up long words in a dictionary? Writing is what you DO on the bench! Using long words (good old Latin) is what you DO on the bench.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-03 20:36

      The chairman should get the job.

  • hermanus.engelbrecht - 2011-09-03 17:43

    Ha ha said the clown

  • braamc - 2011-09-03 17:47

    Look who nominated him. Tells everything

  • Civil_Rights - 2011-09-03 17:52

    Julius is also fit to be Chief Justice, His got years of experience in court.

      Macho Mike - 2011-09-03 23:18

      Eish, and with his background, he could "carve" himself a nice career.

  • call a spade - 2011-09-03 17:53

    of course zuma do not want an chief justice who have more brains than he does. he need someone to whom he can prescribe.

  • OZNOB - 2011-09-03 17:56

    this wannabe is definitelyis definitely going where angels fear to tread. i also expected him as a candidate fotr the top legal position to be very well read-so that he would have been able to give better judgements and not some controversial decisions that he has made and also that he would not have to refer to a dictionary/thesaurus whenever one of his learned colleagues spoke to him.

  • Sir Eidolon - 2011-09-03 17:57

    "Many other judges have written more judges that have been published" Huh?? It's terrible how the quality of articles on N24 drops over weekends.

      Phaedioux - 2011-09-03 18:03

      He understands perfectly what he means when he types the reports - we readers don't count!

      Together - 2011-09-03 18:19

      Once again *sigh* - it's a DIRECT quote (see the inverted commas) - reporters can't edit and clean up direct quotes. If the judge was writing the report, he/she would have inserted a comma, but a News24 sub can't get creative with a direct quote. But I guess they assume that you know that.

      Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 18:20

      Have you any idea how the quality of judgments will drop if this fool is appointed? I can almost forgive N24 ;-)

      Sir Eidolon - 2011-09-03 18:30

      @Together: whoever wrote the article was reporting what Commissioner Engela Schlemmer said. How can it be a direct quote, palooka?

      Met - 2011-09-03 19:21

      Quality of judgements drop? Hell, no they will fly through the case- reason for sentence a simple yes or no.Why all this Western Roman Dutch jargon. Maybe he will replace the "mallet" with an African drum and the judicial wear with leopard skin. Think African or take your engineering or other imperialist education elsewhere- and dont forget your money!!!

      Dayat Atime - 2011-09-05 11:38

      Sir Eidolon, for your enjoyment an example... Direct quote: "How can it be a direct quote, palooka?", asked Sir Eidolon. Indirect quote: Sir Eidolon then called the man a palooka and asked how it could be a direct quote

  • NathanRhode - 2011-09-03 17:59

    What motivated the Preaident to nominate the person in the first place?

      Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 18:19

      Deputy Chief Justice Dikgang Moseneke is qualified and has the support and respect of the legal fraternity. Unfortunately he has held against the executive too many times for JZ's liking, so JZ needs a puppet.

      Frans Smith - 2011-09-03 21:24

      further corruption to follow

      Kevin - 2011-09-04 09:14

      How does our president normaly do business?

  • Chops - 2011-09-03 17:59

    My take on this guy is that he has been brown nosing Zuma, Radebe and the ANC for this job. His speech and body language tel me that he is desperate for the job, which is a very good reason why he is unsuitable

      JP Miller - 2011-09-03 18:51

      I noticed a lot of similar gestures to that which Zuma makes...from the posture to the childish smile...all in all, reading his body language, he thinks the interview with JSC is a farce as he thinks he already has the job in the bag....but what was interesting was his show of temper and anger on more than one occasion. If I were being interviewed for a corporate CEO job and I behaved as unprofessionally as that I would not expect a second interview. He seems like a VERY CHILDISH MAN....and we really need a mature adult for this job....

  • BigMoose - 2011-09-03 18:10

    I watched the Q & A session live and can only agree with the headline: Short tempered and arrogant. If I was a defendant up against this Judge on a bad day, I would fear for my liberty.

      Doublepost - 2011-09-03 19:09

      I would fear for my liberty, from this "judge", on a good day!

  • Trevor - 2011-09-03 18:20

    JACOB ZUMA'S CHOICE!!!....let us not forget this....

      Vince York - 2011-09-04 09:50

      Seems as though Zuma's days are very short, even though he might not be so disgustingly wrenched out of the Presidential civil service position as like he did with Mbeki. There is a huge upswell of anti-zuma sentiment through every portion of SA, be it society old or young as well as commerce and governance and maybe this time the media will not broadcast false "impressions" (IMPRESSIONS being the bread & butter of the ANC, rather than FACTS) stories or pictures that a group of 300 or 3000 is "overwhelming support" in a country comprising 51 million as they have done so successfully boosting little dictators on the way. ANC has membership of LESS than a million. ANCYL has a decreasing membership down towards 300 thousand. Even the majority that want their "ANC of before" have realized that it has been transformed and is no longer what they dreamed it to be and must either make some serious drastic changes to get it back to what it was or remove it. Will they replace him with Motlanthe? The Youth League group of elitists will soon coerce Motlanthe into becoming a new Mugabe style dictator possibly quicker than Zuma so a truly major overhaul from start to finish, of the now lethargic, arrogant and bloated party is long overdue. On the other hand, what is becoming abundantly clear, is that the capacity of people for true democracy in SA is not there, and so we are in general still too far from advanced experienced society's to warrant a democracy with all it truly stands for!

  • Daniel123 - 2011-09-03 18:22

    Most of the controversy surrounding Mogoeng stems from some of his previous judgments. They include: Nadel questioned Mogoeng’s support of the death penalty in Bophuthatswana in 1988, when he had allegedly pushed for a convicted man, whose legal team had not properly represented him, to be executed. In 2001, he overturned a two-year jail term for a man who tied his girlfriend to the back of his car and dragged her for 50m. He found the man had been “provoked” and instead fined him R4 000. In 2007, also in the Bophuthatswana High Court (now the North West High Court), Mogoeng suspended the five-year jail term of a man who attempted to rape his wife. Mogoeng reasoned that her husband’s “desire to make love to his wife must have overwhelmed him”. In a more recent case, he had disagreed with other Constitutional Court judges who ruled that a person could not be defamed by being labelled as homosexual. The Cape Bar Council claimed that there were at least two cases where Mogoeng was the presiding judge and his wife, a state attorney, represented the State. He did not recuse himself.

  • moiraine - 2011-09-03 18:22

    Whilst I dont necessarily think he is the best choice for Chief Justice, and dont agree with his views, I do feel a bit sorry for the poor guy getting such a grilling.Surely it is not his fault he was nominated, we should be grilling the guy who nominated him.

      Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 18:38

      Moiraine, he was arrogant enough to accept the nomination while he knows that there are better candidates. This, on its own, disqualifies him on grounds of a lack of wisdom and humility. It is like the junior accountant, fresh out of college, who thinks he knows more that the qualified and experienced CA. He should be slapped down HARD.

      JP Miller - 2011-09-03 18:54

      If he cannot handle the stress of the grilling (without losing his temper) then how will he be able to handle the stress of the job....

      Philip - 2011-09-03 18:55

      Moiraine, I lived in a true deomcratic country for 34 years (USA), and believe me when a person is recommended for a position in high office, they are grilled to cremation point. This grilling tells you a lot about the character of the person and how they respond under pressure. Mogoeng would not have even made it to this point in a true democracy.

      Kevin - 2011-09-04 09:16

      And what about people who will suffer for his judgements.Do not forget how he handled the rape case. Women in this country should shudder at the thought of this excuse getting appointed.

  • Slapper - 2011-09-03 18:29

    Long on Arrogance, lacking in substance.

      JP Miller - 2011-09-03 18:54

      Also speaks out of temper before he thinks....and a judge cannot afford to do this...

      John - 2011-09-03 20:19

      Add homophobia and racism to his list of qualities.

  • NuttyPeanuts - 2011-09-03 18:32

    I bet Judge Judy would make a better concourt judge than moegoe

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-03 20:01

      So very true. In fact even most of those asking the questions would've been better.

  • Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 18:32

    "I have been a judge writing judgments for more than 14 years." Yeah, right. 14 Years of judgments and just about nothing in the Law Reports? That says something about the quality of those judgments. Maybe this clown does need a dictionary.

  • Winsome - 2011-09-03 18:43

    Anyone who can belittle a "young girl" or any woman for that matter who has been raped shouldnt even be considered - makes it understandable why Zuma nominated him.

  • frans van erk - 2011-09-03 18:46

    Verba volat, scripta manet. Just like Zuma, who even has a problem to read. These type of false characters (spying is their hobby) do everything possible to keep a back door open: No, you wrongly interpret what I said and more of this BS. Mogoeng: false? yes Mogoeng: manipulator? yes Mogoeng: egocentric? yes Mogoeng: mememem syndrome? yes Mogoeng: has a blocked nose? yes Mogoeng: another mistake from zuma" for sure Nogoens: a mismatch as Judge? undeniable Mogoeng: to be removed from the judiciary? please, SA will be grateful.

      Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 19:46

      And in Court, Frans, scripta do indeed manet!

  • JP Miller - 2011-09-03 18:47

    I listened to the JSC-Moegeng interview today and this particular news article is really badly written and does not reflect the truth of most of the interactions it has recorded....

      Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 19:39

      Please see my comments to Jen below. By the way. How many of his judgments have you read? (Those that made the Law Reports, that is.)

  • JP Miller - 2011-09-03 18:57

    Moegoe comes across as someone who should be fired not hired.....

  • Humpme Dumpm - 2011-09-03 18:58

    What about Cape Judge President John Hlope for the position??? Now there's a radical Zuma boy

      Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 19:11

      You owe me a new keyboard! I choked on my coffee and spluttered all over the place.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-03 20:04

      I also spluttered my coffee! LMAO! But I bet you old Slippery Shlope is wishing he was in the hot seat. The chairman of the whole thing is the one who should be the chief justice.

  • Warren - 2011-09-03 18:58

    Zuma wants a buddy on the Constitutional Court to do his (Zuma's) bidding. The ANC do not want an independent Constitutional Court. They do not want the Constitutional Court declaring their legislative acts unconstitutional.

  • Rightway - 2011-09-03 19:02

    Moegoe is no candidate for top judge of SA. He lacks experience and will be Zuma,s stooge. In fact just like Simelane any one oppointed by Zuma783 is tainted and therefore suspect.

  • jen - 2011-09-03 19:12

    He came across better than expected, in my opinion. Lots of you on this page have already judged him unfairly, merely because Zuma chose him which means in your opinions that he must be useless.

      flummoxed - 2011-09-03 19:18

      Not useless! Just another puppet in the big puppet league

      JP Miller - 2011-09-03 19:20

      I listened to the whole question session today, with an open mind.....superficially he came across okm as being articulate, but with little substance or have to make a comparison in your mind about what an excellent, suitable candidate WOULD have said in answer to some of the questions...think about it...he is an IMMATURE man...

      Philip - 2011-09-03 19:30

      Oh come on Jen. Nobody is judging him because Zuma nominated him, It's all about ability, and believe me this guy has problems to say the least. Did you watch the "interview" and take note of his arrogance, short temper and inability? This country does not need another Zuma stooge.

      Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 19:34

      Did he have to apologise to the Chairman for his unbecoming conduct? If so, case closed. Did he say that he did not have time to reflect on Le Roux v Dey and that he made a mistake by dissenting? (Funny, four other judges did have time to reflect and write judgments.) If so, case closed. Did he say other judges opinions were "neither here nor there"? Is so, case closed. It is not about how he "comes across", Jen. It is about the substance of what he says. He made mistakes a relatively junior magistrate on the Regional Court Bench would not have made.

      jen - 2011-09-03 20:44

      Spoedvark - actually if he was as arrogant as made out in this forum, then he wouldn't have apologised. He wasn't forced into an apology. I watched the whole interview, thinking he would be found lacking but again, found him credible, plausible and articulate under fire - a stressful situation. Too much has been made of his "short temper" slip up. Agree that we don't need another Zuma stooge, but we don't yet know that he is one.

      Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 21:06

      He did not have much of a choice, did he? Did he say the other things I mentioned or did he not? I cannot get the ConCourt search to work (it has been flaky for months), but I followed Le Roux v Dey. He had MONTHS to consider and draft a dissenting judgment. It is the most important judgment on defamation involving Constitutional Law and Common Law in, perhaps, twenty years and he dissents without reasons and then recants when he is in a corner? He did not find time to consider? Good gracious - have you read the judgment and papers? Is this how the Chief Justice in, possibly, an Apex Court conducts himself? Jen, when a judge's judgment is not ready, judgment is not handed down. Any student knows this. How on earth does he argue that other judges' opinions do not matter? Any first year student understands stare decisis! No, Jen. I have read the papers and care very little for the media circus. The man is, in my considered LEGAL opinion, not suitable. I am is very, very good company, by the way.

  • papiki.r.makandla - 2011-09-03 19:30

    what more did u expect frm zumas camp? Corrupt comrades, arrogant comrades, greedy comrades and ill-discipline comrades! Wrong choice msholozi

  • blanco_pta - 2011-09-03 20:22

    after listening to mogoeng's submissions and responses to the critics against him. I conclude, He is the right and suitable candidate for the job. Yes, he has his personal weaknesses but I put it that his capabilities, successes and mostly his integrity incparably outweights the weaknesses. VIVA MOGOENG

      Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 20:45

      So blanco "concludes." Blanco, what are your legal qualifications?

  • Thami Fraser - 2011-09-03 20:24

    This article is not a true reflection of the day's interview proceedings, which I watched live on E-NEWS. It seeks to further entrench the perception that has been created by the very media to portray Justice Mogoeng Mogoeng as unfit for the position of Chief Justice. Today, for the first time, he replied to all these allegations against him, taking them on one by one. And I think he did an excellent job explaining himself.The interview continues tomorrow, and I will be watching with much more than keen interest. He explained the judgements in question, and he also questioned why there was no mention of all his other judgements where he handed down stiffer sentences than is the norm. For me the interview was a great way of hearing the other side of what is reported. This is a great exercise for our constitutional democracy. And the media must report the facts, not their preference.

      Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 20:35

      Thami, my perceptions come from the man's judgments - not the media. I actually read those that I could find on saflii. Did you?

  • Chabi - 2011-09-03 20:28

    In the first instance Moseneke meant to be sarcastic no doubt about it, feeling the guilt at his comment to Mogoeng to "listen you might be able to answer" he paused to reflect at it... then the Mogoeng's "sacarstic" reply..This brings us to the composition of the JSC and the integrity of Moseneke, Why was Moseneke allowed to preside over this interview ? when it is clear despite his saying so, that he had no ambitions to becoming a Chief Judge ? Naturally as a Deputy Chief Judge he would have those expectations, therefore his saying that he is not interested in the post is a bluff.. Now how can you have a Deputy preside in a matter that recommends an appointment of his\her superior ? This is where Moseneke should have recused himself .. just as "they" expected of Mogoeng to recuse himself in matters wherein his wife was before his Court.. 5 weeks of redicule, today Mogoeng set the record straight: 1-0, we wait for the aggregate score. I am pleased with Mogoeng's performance so far, more importantly his Human side.

      Spoedvark - 2011-09-03 20:36

      Oh, dear! Chabi also needs a dictionary. Those pesky long words! And perhaps a grammar primer too.

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-03 20:44

    He has no doubt about his intellectual depth? HEHE -- maybe,he shares a brain with Juju & Floyd!

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-09-03 21:26

    I don't trust anything chosen by Zuma. I suspect an ulterior motive.

  • numbatoo - 2011-09-03 22:00

    This is the perfect candidate, a governmental tool / yes man / puppet in fact everything he should not be.

  • Steve Wonderboy - 2011-09-03 22:02

    He is one judge who worries more about the spirit of the law than semantics. I didn't know much about him, but after the discussions I fully back him myself.

  • nn.prv - 2011-09-03 22:42

    He is Simply Very Smart.Eat-that all you haters!

  • Bok Fan - 2011-09-03 22:45

    Another Zuma creation intended to destroy the constitution

  • Barry Varkel - 2011-09-03 23:38

    He reminded me of a black Hitler in a way. Not someone who you'd want sitting as Chief Justice. He is not unintelligent, just there's something scary and sinister about him. I think he'd do better in the police force and especially in an interrogation room, he looks like he'd be really good at waterboarding. Barry Varkel

  • hannes.vantonder - 2011-09-04 00:26

    Well, let us just put this in perspective, the President want to appoint a Chief Justice, who has the same surname as his first name (maybe because he can only spell one word...), with no evidence that he has an expert level of competence in his field, and does not have a passion for writing... I say, kick him now before our whole Judicial system, even now not being a well oiled machine, ends up being a ceased engine... Bye-Bye Moegoe Moegoe...

  • totaltruth - 2011-09-04 07:16

    he will never stand up to the ANC ,,,,,,,ANOTHER lackey

  • Chris - 2011-09-04 07:47

    A measured view was delivered by someone at the hearings: "At the onset after being introduced by Deputy JP Motsuenyane , Mogoeng mentioned he is from time to time inclined and/or not averse to raising his voice !! As the day progressed it became more and more evident as the questioning process unfolded (and became more penetrative) that the man based contentious decisions and matters almost solely what had gone before him (precedent)" In the light of the dictatorial legislation now being forced through parliament does he believe that he will be able to be a impartial judge or will he be a good party member and toe the Luthuli House edicts? You be the Judge!

  • papaRoach - 2011-09-04 08:27

    None of the people that comment on this site ever have anything objective to say. Criticism seems like an entrenched trait. Unfortunately this is what SA has become, this will only lead to people ignoring each other opinions meaning the death of democracy. You lot suck.

  • LuCypher - 2011-09-04 08:46

    Is the journalist who wrote this article actually literate? What the hell does this mean: ""Many other judges have written more judges that have been published." Read before publishing, dummy.

  • Marc - 2011-09-04 08:53

    Adequate reporting by Graham but the grammar leaves something to be desired; and I'm not talking about the various "quoted" questions posed to the honourable justice. This appointment is going to be a long term problem - even with more experiential weight and maturity, he will never have the native intelligence nor the intellectual reserve required of the position.

  • mcirha - 2011-09-04 10:44

    mr president good choice forget these howlers, they can howl away into the moonset..

  • maseratifitt - 2011-09-04 10:55

    One must remember that JZ is first and foremost President of the ANC. It therefore stands to reason that he would choose someone who is conversant and comfortable with the principles of Arrogance Nepotism and Corruption. The President of SA should not be a member of any political party. In fact no minister, parliamentarian, premier or mayor should be.

  • marcan - 2011-09-04 11:26

    Arrogance is always a sign of insecurity and lack of true substance, quality and real integrity. True leaders have always a certain humility about them. They know that they serve a community or nation, not that they deserve the job forever or by origin. They are nothing more than elevated Civil Servants.

  • Sam - 2011-09-04 13:17

    I've tried to read the long catalogue of responses to this article, below;it's elicited no form of intelligence, let alone intelligent engagement from those who've read it. But it shouldn't really astonish me; the average white South African, carries himself with an aura of this deeply superficial cliched political polemic that betrays unread depth, running to the brim with white supremicist stereotypes(I've broken friendships over this before),and upon close scrutiny is really just blabber.One of its quintessential features, is the claim to be up-to-date with world-politics, (as is evident below) an indepth comprehension of "The African Tribe", the implication of "M" in the African surname,the dynamics of racism, or better yet(from the USA fellow below) Democracy. I'm not any particular fan of Mogoeng, my impression of him is quite bad -but when you critique an individual's stance on anything; one has to retain objectivity and part-and-parcel of that is exorcising prejudicial attitudes from one's self.I've often found that whites,mostly, are incapable of this. I've been reading scholarly essays on JM Coetzee's Disgrace. I was especially interested in European scholarship on this text, and I should say that it confirmed my initial suspicions-that Disgrace isn't racist at all; it's actually an indictment on white SA.The trick, it would seem, lies on the depth of intertextuality that plagues that entire text, whose origins are fundamentally in European classical texts.

      jen - 2011-09-04 18:42

      Sam it's official. You are possibly the worst writer I have ever encountered. Are you trying unsuccessfully to sound intelligent or have you been smoking a forbidden substance? I cannot pick up any salient point in your lengthy comment which says absolutely nothing at all. Please go and read Lord of the Rings again and see if you can pick up something useful about writing comprehensibly from Tolkien. (Sam calls himself Sam Gamgee on Facebook).

  • zaatheist - 2011-09-04 14:01

    This guys fails every test that qualifies a person to be an independent judge. As a judge he is supposed to evaluate facts and facts only. Not hearsay, falsehoods and fairy tales. As a believer in the existence of the big sky fairy WITHOUT EVIDENCE he fails. There is no evidence for his god or any of the 4000 odd gods created by primitive gullible people. No evidence no god, Mr judge Moegoe.

  • Neetash Singh - 2011-09-05 10:47

    Why is it that African country's never excel's in anything.... I think Zuma picked him cause he looks abit like him.... Mogoeng looks like he eats alot of polony...

  • Mido - 2011-09-05 11:14

    Mogoeng will be made Chief Justice.The JSC has confirmed their support for his nomination.White people have turned themselves into cry'n and complaining babies over everything the South African Government seeks to do to a point where their voice is voiceless.We as SA watched the interview and YES He is the right man for the post.The media might try to blow everything out of context but fortunately WE South Africans witnessed on sar and sun who Mogoeng Mogoeng is.