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Motorists urged to change views on tolls

2011-06-23 20:27

Johannesburg - Road-users should change their views on the e-tolling system as they were the ones who would benefit from improved roads and interchanges, SA National Roads Limited (Sanral) said on Thursday.

"Imagine what our roads would look like in another five years if no-one made the effort to upgrade them... all of it costs money," project manager Alex van Niekerk said in opening the R350m upgrade to the Allandale interchange in Midrand on Thursday.

He said previous attempts to revamp the interchange failed because of a to lack of funding and that the only way the project could go ahead was by using e-tolling.

As part of its Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project, Sanral plans to toll a number of highways. However, this has been placed on hold pending a probe into the proposed toll fees, which commuters criticised as too high.

Van Niekerk was confident that the upgraded interchange would make travelling on the N1 highway easier.

"You won't hear any thing about the traffic lights at the interchange, because they aren't there anymore. Everything is a free flowing system," he said.

Van Niekerk described the original interchange built in 1969 as an insignificant diamond exchange in the veld.

However, with the development of Midrand, it had become one of the busiest interchanges in Gauteng, with 200 000 trips through it a day, he said.

Comments
  • Twoplusthree - 2011-06-23 20:40

    Yes, I'm grateful that every R1 collected might result in 5c spend on road. Fuel tax was a better idea. Wait.....we already pay fuel tax. WTF?

      James Weather - 2011-06-23 21:01

      Use your corruption money ... wankers!

      ian - 2011-06-23 21:22

      QUOTE OF THE WEEK: Affirmative Action by London Times 2011 June 07 15:08:42 | 414 Views "South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others." Source: London Times

      Jelly - 2011-06-23 21:26

      I am sooooooo tired being screwed around every corner for every cent I have by this corrupt crap government! And there was no foreplay, not even a kiss, just harsh and brutal rape..... How about government change their view on stealing us blind????

      Vlooi - 2011-06-23 21:38

      @ian - can you post the link where London Times published this?

      HowardX - 2011-06-23 22:50

      Yes, I'm also grateful that we now have a toll road system that is so expensive that most of the fee will go to recovering it's R15bn cost... Wait. WTF! R15bn for some metal poles over the highway??? Some perspective on the R15bn toll system - NASA spent less building the last space shuttle... Mark my words. The R1.3bn toll planning fee, the R6bn toll gantry construction cost, and the +R7bn additional total project budget to run this for the next three years will make the corruption with the arms deal look like child's play. The amount of money being wasted on some sensors and a computer billing system is beyond belief. Even if they build 100 toll gantries, they would each work out R150m for EACH gantry to build and operate over three years. Yes, ladies and gentleman that toll gantry with the fancy purple glowing lights at night costs minimum R150m if you average the cost of the total project - now tell me how that adds up to anything less than blatant fraud...

      Kevin Rack - 2011-06-24 04:54

      And road tax too. Think Tolls think fuedal systems and corrutption

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 05:36

      Government criminals, who use the tax on the petrol price to build our roads, are urged to change their views on tolls.

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 07:23

      @ian Funny enough, South Africa was the only country recently where the majority were denied a vote and opportunities, which were reserved for the minority. "Their" is sort of an indicative term of the direction of the article

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 07:26

      @SaintBruce Your assumptions are totally uneducated. Most of the road users in Gauteng are black and they will be the ones most affected. I am not talking about commuters who use buses and taxes, I mean those with their own cars. this has little to do with race, and more to do with duplicity by authorities i.e. multiple collection sources for the very same thing, without proper accounting. Stop reducing issues to black and white, especially if you are informed by ignorance and prejudice.

      Matt - 2011-06-24 08:38

      @ Ian - firstly, I am British and I have never heard of the London Times. The Times, yes - London Times, no. Same thing perhaps? As for the article - SANRAL can go fk itself. I have no desire to pay even more tax to the corrupt communist pigs, I pay more than enough as it is.

      Albert - 2011-06-24 14:49

      We are just being brainwashed and conned into providing funds for the ANC's next election now that money from Kebble and Schaik have dried up. If they had gotten off their butts and MAINTAINED the roads this wouldnt have been necessary. The word "upkeep" is not in their dictionary. Fix a pothole tomorrow and it costs R1000. Let it become a crater over 2 years and it costs 1Mil. Thanks you Ian for that quote. Tells it like it is.

      Zebedi - 2011-06-25 20:52

      According to Sasol, we pay 27.9% of our fuel price to the tax man. So every litre of petrol or diesel purchased puts roughly R2.79 into the coffers at the current fuel price. Methinks they have more than enough money to maintain and build roads, if they could just keep it out of their back pockets for long enough.

  • The_Realist - 2011-06-23 20:40

    Alex van Niekerk is a twat! Use the billions in tax revenues that are SUPPOSED to be used for this purpose! idiot

      john - 2011-06-23 21:59

      Exactly. The way the govt goes on, you'd think income tax wasn't charged in SA. Yes, we know that it takes money to keep a country going, Alex. That's why we pay taxes. On everything. And tax on the taxes. Or does the ANC have the view that taxes just pay fatcat cadre salaries and company vehicles, and any services provided must be charged for over and above that? I swear, we're fast reaching the stage where the police will charge you a call-out fee to come and investigate a crime.

      whatashame - 2011-06-23 22:16

      Notice how this comes after the elections. Previous goverment maintained roads, provided decent government hospitals, old age homes, orphanages, training colleges etc etc etc etc without tolls, tax on tax etc etc etc etc and they were corrupt but God help us -this is thousands times worse, Corporates build houses for poor, everybody dips into their own pockets for soup kitchens etc etc etc and what the hell do the government do, other than bleed us dry so they can live their extravagant lifestyles. I'm fed up!!!!.

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 07:30

      @whatashame I am totally opposed to this "highway robbery" (pun intended) but to jump to the conclusion that the apartheid government maintained proper roads for all, instead of a few and did not charge tax on tax maybe the dumbest statement of the century. Of course, you did not live in the townships or homelands and so lived under the impression that all was well, but the first toll roads were introduced by the apartheid regime, as was Sales Tax later VAT

      whatashame - 2011-06-24 11:53

      @lenand40. As it happens I did grow up in the townships. Born in the 50's so have seen the good and the bad of the old and the new.

  • jbjoe - 2011-06-23 20:44

    "You won't hear any thing about the traffic lights at the interchange, because they aren't there anymore. Everything is a free flowing system," -its the new policy to not replace stolen lights?

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-06-23 21:49

      XD best way to ensure they don't get stolen AGAIN, i suppose.

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 07:31

      This was referring to a specific interchange i.e. Allandale

  • Slapper - 2011-06-23 20:46

    What a cheek! We are screwed by these guys at every turn and now they want us to thank them and show gratitude for them screwing us again. F***ing Bandits

      Paul - 2011-08-26 15:25

      The major shareholders of this SANRAL extortion is Jacob Zuma & Shabir Shaik GO FIGURE

  • AA - 2011-06-23 20:47

    Tell your stupid leaders to stop stealing the money.

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 08:00

      If they were stupid, they would not know how to steal the money

      WTF46 - 2011-06-24 08:57

      @lenand40, please you dont have to be educated to steal money!

  • Julsie3 - 2011-06-23 20:48

    Where has all the money on Fuel Tax gone? Why must the man on the street just keep docking up for every new idea made by some "TWIT" trying to make a name for himself with some bright new idea. How can they even try to justify this. Economic growth....what a joke. The man on the street will be paying for this. With inflation on the rise and fuel and food going up already this might just be the last straw on the camels back!!

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 05:54

      I think we should make bumper stickers that read, "F#%K YOU government for destroying the South African economy by red tape & un-necessary extra taxes – YOU are the reason I can not afford to hire anyone anymore" If millions drive with these stickers for 4 years - maybe that will help convince the ANC’s blind sheep to at least NOT vote in the next election (as they will not vote for anyone else anyways) and by doing so increasing employment in our country. OR We should all just get together with the Taxi driver unions and destroy those toll gates – we could get around R200 for that at the scrap metal dealer. OR There is no other options.

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 08:01

      And they want us to SAVE for retirement

  • jock - 2011-06-23 20:48

    OK you have got me.I have changed my views.I used to think toll roads were a rip off ,now i know they are

  • rumsour - 2011-06-23 20:49

    Be grateful for being taxed for using a road my taxes have already paid for, that's like thanking the thief for lightening your wallet.

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 05:57

      Actually your comment would make a great (short & sweet) bumper sticker

  • Joe.deWet1 - 2011-06-23 20:49

    And I want to use the Gautrain, to avoid toll fees. "No busroutes for the Marlboro station sir, and we will not implement them in future". Cool, you will not see me pay for toll fees either.

  • Babba x - 2011-06-23 20:50

    Imagine what our roads would like like if the levies we paid on fuel were actually used to maintain and improve the roads. You morons. Neva will I get used to being taxed double. Neva

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 07:33

      That pays for van Niekerk's salary of course.

  • Popit - 2011-06-23 20:53

    Well, OK, since you said we should.

  • Derek - 2011-06-23 20:55

    I don't oppose the e-tolling system. But lower the tarrifs then because the current proposed figures are ridiculous!

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 05:59

      I thought all of the people with your state of mind have already emigrated.

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 07:41

      @Derek. My concern is that we already pay taxes towards the maintenance of the roads. Surely, that is double payment for the same thing. Either one is fine by me, but imagine the costs of the administration of the tolling system. The machines had to be built at cost. they need to be manned and maintained on a regular basis. The IT system behind these to ensure the correct car is spotted, not to mention the billing system to ensure that each identified car is then billed. Then, these need to be mailed to the "offending car owner", allowing for the possibility that some invoices will be lost or some will be ignored. In the case of e-tolling, a similar infrastructure is needed, which will match the car with an existing account, and deduct the amount and send the statement to reflect the usage. So, one suspects that for every R1 collected; no less than 75cents will go to the administration and maintenance of the infrastructure with only 25cents going towards roads maintenance. Why not simply add the 25cents to the petrol levy? Oh wait, we already pay over R3 already towards road maintenance for every R10 we spent on a litre of petrol. Dinner, wine, kiss and a condom might make this screwing experience much more acceptable

      KK - 2011-06-24 09:41

      Agree with you Derek. I was quite shocked to see the state of the bridge leading from the R21 to the N1 highway. We don't travel to Pretoria that often, so when we do drive on the highways, it is beyond comprehension that they can deteriorate so quickly. It's quite clear that a lot of additional maintenance is needed on these highways that are used so much more than our other roads. Also, it's extremely unfair to the rest of the country to foot Gauteng's road maintenance bill by paying additional taxes.

  • DW - 2011-06-23 20:58

    Imagine if the government used the money that they HAVE in the fiscus to upgrade roads, instead of trying to milk the taxpayers for more. The money that they already have, they steal. Now the taxpayer must pay again, and again, and again. Those roads were fantastically built and maintained from a very small tax base in the apartheid era. Even though there was apparently corruption, the scale was nothing like it is now. Billions are wasted. Further billions are stolen. Sanral go and ask the thieving politicians for the money back. We are not paying one cent more.

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 07:42

      Some roads, but certainly not all roads. Everyone still paid taxes under apartheid, but they were diverted towards a small minority. So, remove your rose coloured glasses

      allie - 2011-09-22 08:36

      SO NOW WE WILL PAY FOR THE ROADS WHICH THE BLACKOWNED TAXIS WILL USE FOR FREE .F.U.A

  • ian - 2011-06-23 21:02

    this is no better than wholesale theft, taking all for a very few and F$%k the rest. They should fire the whole lot, oh yes i forgot you dont need a brain to vote ANC listen to all their broken promises, take what you can and dam the rest

  • Judith - 2011-06-23 21:06

    No not at tall, they want to bring in tolls when we are already paying a high fuel levy and they have not finished what they are doing. There are many extremely bad patches on these so-called upgraded roads which are highly dangerous. No patrols on the roads pull off dangerous drivers and stop people for breaking the speed limit. I am not willing to pay for an incomplete solution, lack of monitoring and lack of regulation. I pay more than enough every time I fill up my car's petrol tank.

      ian - 2011-06-23 21:19

      QUOTE OF THE WEEK: Affirmative Action by London Times 2011 June 07 15:08:42 | 414 Views "South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others." Source: London Times pass this comment to all you know maby someone will start to take things in this country for what it is becomming, people overseas are starting to

  • Marius Rossouw - 2011-06-23 21:09

    It's the greedy fat cats that should seek other opportunities to steal money. This is going to cripple the economy. If they utilize the money already being earmarked for roads there should be enough. They must just steal less.

  • A View - 2011-06-23 21:13

    Van Niekerk - just to let you know I have already paid for the upgrade via tax, fuel levy, liecence fees etc. So suggest you use this money and dont tax me again. get with it - Enough is enough

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 07:45

      Nice to see a sensitive view, instead of the stupid knee-jerk things were better before 1994 or even worse, the idea that only one race group is targetted. I concur with your view. Enough is enough. Use the levies we already pay

  • Fanie - 2011-06-23 21:15

    Get stuffed

  • John Paul - 2011-06-23 21:16

    Yes we can! Down tolls down! Down Bribery! Yes we can! Down tolls down! Down Corruption! Yes we can! Down tolls down! Down Incompetence! Yes we can! Down tolls down! Down Negligence! Yes we can! Down tolls down! Down Theft! Yes we can! Down tolls down! Down Genocide!

      JMsays - 2011-08-26 16:37

      I support the rest, but not the "Yes we can" bit, remember, the Americans thought they could, but instead got downgraded to AA+...lol (I don't like the arrogant Americans)

  • sainsaudi - 2011-06-23 21:20

    Instead of giving money to Cuba, and flying other despots to South Africa, or bailing out Mugabe so that his wife can go shopping in Hong Kong, or wastefully spending money of conferences and side-shows, the ANC government should start to tighten its belt and look at the real concerns of the country, like roads and infrastructure. That's why they were voted into power - to ensure that the people benefit, not a few elite and their corrupt friends. Excessive Taxation started the French revolution and the American one.

  • Ken J May - 2011-06-23 21:22

    Alex van Niekerk? Oh now I remember you, you're the one with the IQ that starts with a comma!!!!!

  • Alan - 2011-06-23 21:29

    "Imagine what our roads would look like in another five years if no-one made the effort to upgrade them... all of it costs money," Well, since 1994 there has not been much upgrade!!! The potholes are worse than ever and the local road are crap!!! Where has all the money gone??? Asshole!

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 07:48

      It is one thing to create facts that are nothing but infantile imagination, and it is another to oppose abuse by government. Let'snot create facts,rather oppose this with all our hearts. Claiming that things were better pre-1994 is the height of lunacy. they were not,unless you were he lucky 10% of the population

  • John Paul - 2011-06-23 21:29

    Where are the 400 Million Spent in Kwazulu Natal by Nbele? I want an Audit and to know how much is missing! 100 Million? 200 Million?

      lenand40 - 2011-06-24 07:48

      Nbele?

  • elsie.debeer - 2011-06-23 21:30

    Good Mr Bt how many are taxi's Doing the trip about 100's of times a day AND THEY HAVE INCREASED FEES FOR THEIR PASSENGERS DUE TO THE PETROL INCREASES AND WILL DO INCREASE FEES AGAIN WHEN TOLL FEES ARE KNOWN. If you travel everyday to and from work like you fellow "common" workers paying taxes - earning a salary from a boss (R3000) and having to stay in Sooweto working in Midrand - 'cause that's the only place you can get work - what the hell do you think will be left of my salary to live from if all goes to the f@@k##g fat cats.If you kept on maintaining the infrastructure and not scamming the money into corruption deals to gain for your own pocket - you would have had more loyal subjects! We would be glad then to pay for good roads and sevices - BUT ALL CAME TO SCHAMBLES. This was the cherry on the cake for me after seeing the utmost on our super corrupt law sysem tonight. I always just read the comments - but tonight I am seriously joining the rest to say "The criminals are now the Blue Uniform that use to protect" There are more criminals in the SAP if you look at what is happening then what there are really criminals. I'm for sure of the believe know that in every situation we've had this last couple of days that the master brain is for sure a "big Boss/Fat Cat" in the SAPS and that is why we see criminals walking and victims being arrested when trying to protect themselves. Welcome in Africa - the land I have not willingly immegrated to!

  • John Paul - 2011-06-23 21:30

    They are charging us for traffic jams! Down tolls down!

  • uMegaladon - 2011-06-23 21:32

    Yes Sanral, I must be happy with the total stuff up you have made of the entire roads project. I must be happy that you obviously do not have ONE SINGLE competent engineer in your entire organisation. I must be happy that you are years behind schedule. I must be happy that you are tens of billions over budget. I must be happy that there is no-one auditing you, or keeping a check on your operations. I must be happy just to keep throwing money at you in the hope something use-able might just come about. NOT. van Niekerk get in the real world instead of your sheltered employment.

  • Vlooi - 2011-06-23 21:33

    Here's a thought Alex: "Government urged to change views on taxes"

  • branden.hart - 2011-06-23 21:33

    Box!!

  • Gerhard Hitge - 2011-06-23 21:34

    Tolling is a tax in addition to other taxes and therefore double charging for services. Use road user pricing as a tool to promote and possibly subsidise public transport services that are of a quality the compete withi motor travel - i.e. Rea Vaya and Gautrain for now. What is unaffordable is our unsustainable sprawling cities, and the cost are beginning to show! eluti

  • John Paul - 2011-06-23 21:34

    We Shall Overcome! Down Savage Down! We are the PEOPLE! Down Barbarian Down! We Shall Overcome! Down machine gun Down!

  • Deckard - 2011-06-23 21:38

    "Imagine what our roads would look like in another five years if no-one made the effort to upgrade them... all of it costs money," eeerrrrr we pay our taxes..if the anc didn't squander our money then there would be more than enough money for road maintenance and upgrades. This is just another cash cow for the money hungry politicians.

  • elutweet - 2011-06-23 21:39

    What is unaffordable is our sprawling cities without integrated public transport, and the cost is beginning to show through SANRAL!

  • Mike_L - 2011-06-23 21:39

    No matter how many angles I view it from, I still get the same picture.... that of a corrupt ANC government feeding at a trough that ordinary South Africans must fill by working themselves into poverty.

  • Wishbone - 2011-06-23 21:42

    Up yours Van Niekerk! We pay an abnormal amount of tax and for this we expect services like roads!

  • Philip Kleynhans - 2011-06-23 21:47

    66c/Km is far to much. Ive seen traffic in that area. Charge 22c/Km that is more than enough. You guys are looking to pocket that money as usual. The less corruption the more money there is to fix roads and poverty. But you even steel from your own people. They are still stupid enough to vote for you

  • elutweet - 2011-06-23 21:51

    Our low density, car-based cities are unsustainable and unaffordable - and it's beginning to show through SANRAL!

  • jweer42 - 2011-06-23 21:53

    Fine, cut the road tax from the fuel price.

  • elsie.debeer - 2011-06-23 22:01

    Sorry forgot to say - I did not willingly immegrated to but was born here in '62. Had to immegrate due to political change I had nothing to do with but are definately suffering from what ever the community around me is complaining about! I merely want to work and provide help to who ever is needy due the same problems we inherited from our past. People can we stop by complaining and at least try to do something positive - identify the bad "apples" and let us at least try and eliminate them from the "position" they are in! One can not do it but by mass we can!

      Marcell - 2011-06-23 23:40

      There is not enough cemetaries.

      VELOCITY - 2011-06-24 09:50

      "I did not willingly immegrated to", what does that mean hun?

  • Ja Swaer - 2011-06-23 22:04

    How are they going to collect money from foreign cars in the country? This whole system is flawed. Boikot them by not paing at all. They don't have the manpower or capacity to send out hundreds of thounsands of reminders every month.

      Ja Swaer - 2011-06-23 22:11

      Paying

  • maseratifitt - 2011-06-23 22:08

    Development means things should be getting better. Working smarter, more productive. Making things cheaper. As far as the motorist is concerned, things just get more expensive. The steady rise in the price of fuel, as well as more vehicles on the roads, meant that the tax revenue is steadily increasing. If productivity on road building and maintenance increased, as it should, it means that with the current tax revenue, the motorist should receive higher quality and better value. Without toll roads. This is just another money making scheme as a result of tax money "disappearing". What happens to all the money collected in fines? South African motorists should demand to get what they pay for. No toll roads, thank you.

  • Feds - 2011-06-23 22:10

    Maybe if the corrupt, stealing politicians didn't overspend everywhere else on inflated tenders so that every person in the chain walks away with R10million we would have an additional R1billion a year to spend on things we need. LIKE ROAD MAINTENANCE! People seem to have an idea that corrupt politicians stealing doesn't really affect us as we have already paid the money across but it does... as seen here! Higher or additional taxes, money being diverted from other essential services. The politicians are robbing SA of a future

  • uMegaladon - 2011-06-23 22:13

    News24 - --- stop removing comments if you want to retain the semblance of credibility!

  • umlaut - 2011-06-23 22:18

    It is a catch 22 situation--I have to sell the car to afford the toll rates--so I can't go to work--no taxies to my destination-no busses. So I will have to take the inner roads-- for that I have to get up at 1 in the mornings-all clogged up--so this is very unproductive-6 hours on the roads. Just maybe the corruptionists can stop their looting and more money will be available for where it should have been used in the first place. I can pay 3c per km. Sanral should change their views on the toll roads and take the corruptionists to court and suck the money from where there is a lot of money. The officials will travel for free on the toll roads and get that money on top and above the corrupt deals also. Take the 3 bil. that was to be spent on test centres and build another ring road further out around JHB., and spread the traffic out. Assign architects to design more compact zones with mixed use. Have a better police force to combat crime-you get robbed and mugged walking from bus stops to your home if its 500m away. Curb the corruption ON THE BUSSES WHERE you don't get a ticket but you must pay halve price and that tax free corrupt money goes into the pocket of a bus driver. The Lost funds can be used to upgrade roads. You are creating injustice and uprisings.

  • Cornelius Joubert - 2011-06-23 22:21

    Pay extra for Eskom's mis-management Pay extra for a screwup of a youth conferance Pay extra for politicians first class overseas trips Pay extra for a R500m police headquarters Pay extra for corruptions What do I get for all the tax I pay? Roads are supposed to be maintained from the 30% tax raised in the fuel price. So P-off Mr van Niekerk. It is simple to boycott the e-tolls. Don't get the tag and let them bill you every month. It is going to cost them a whole lot more admin.

      Stryder - 2011-06-23 22:29

      Better yet, buy the tag, prepay the account and them leave the tag at home, when they ask you to pay tell them teh tag is faulty. This will cuase endless chaos for them.

  • horsehair - 2011-06-23 22:23

    ready your paintball markers people. The public opposed it in Germany...

  • rimmoah - 2011-06-23 22:31

    what a joke,how can we be happy about unjustified higher transport costs to enrich a few anc cronies

  • rimmoah - 2011-06-23 22:35

    the only way to fight this is to boycott the system,if every road user does not buy an etag and rather waits for a bill in the post(they have to send you a registered letter)the system will be bankrupted in no time.it will cost them billions

  • umlaut - 2011-06-23 22:59

    Use the overhead structures for speed camaras if you want to make money.

  • umlaut - 2011-06-23 23:03

    The bluelight brigades can use the payroads all for themselves-let them pay for your 'extortion tool' roads

  • Mike@CapeT - 2011-06-23 23:38

    Imagine how much better off we would be if the money, that we already pay in taxes, rates and taxes, fuel taxes and vehicle taxes, were actually used as they were intended to be used. Instead, we find it being used to pay inflated top management salaries, bonuses and perks....not to mention all the corruption.