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Mrs Zuma lashes the president

2012-08-19 11:00

Durban - First Lady Tobeka Madiba-Zuma is gearing up for a serious talk with her husband, President Jacob Zuma, because she believes he dished out remission to prisoners “willy-nilly” earlier this year.

Madiba-Zuma told residents in Swayimane, KwaZulu-Natal, earlier this week: “We can’t have prisoners released because (the president) woke up feeling happy.”

Swayimane is the village where two elderly women – one 94, another 82 – were raped recently.

A 26-year-old man, Ntuthuko Khulekani Ndlela, has been charged with raping the 94-year-old woman.

Ndlela was among the prisoners released by PresidentZuma as part of a remission programme. He had been imprisoned for theft.

But weeks earlier, Ndlela’s own grandmother refused to grant permission for him to be paroled early.

Ndlela is not the only beneficiary of the presidential remission programme to be implicated in violent crime since his release.

Reduced sentences

Police in Jansenville in the Eastern Cape have confirmed that one of the men allegedly involved in the murder of an elderly farmer there earlier this month was also released on remission in July.

The remission programme saw some prisoners having their sentences reduced by six months at Zuma’s discretion.

Madiba-Zuma told residents in Swayimane: “Luckily I don’t need to set an appointment to see the president,” she said, speaking in isiZulu.

“I would like for him to take off his hat as husband and mine as his wife.

“I want to address him as a concerned female citizen of this country and find out how he could give remission willy-nilly,” she said

“Ngakhoke akukwazi ukuthi nje uma uMongameli mhlawumbe evuke ezizwa eneme, abe esethi namhlanje iparole, bese kuphuma kwasani ejele,” she said. (Therefore, it can’t be that when, maybe, the president wakes up happy and says ‘Today is parole and then everyone gets out of jail’.)

She assured the crowd that she and her husband often chatted about matters of national importance, which she, as a national citizen, had issues with.

A good listener

“So siyakwazi ukukhuluma alalele futhi, ngoba he is a good listener.” (We are able to engage honestly and he listens because he is a good listener.)

James Smalberger, chief deputy commissioner in the department of correctional services, told City Press this week that the presidential remission process was not flawed.

Ndlela and the alleged Jansenville murderer - who is still at large and who police have not named - had served very short sentences originally, Smalberger said.

The crimes they were imprisoned for were unrelated to the “heinous crimes” they are now accused of, Smalberger said.

Both were released unconditionally after they qualified for immediate release, he said.

“It would have been unlawful for the department to detain a person when his or her sentence has expired.”

No guarantees

He conceded that the department could not revisit each prisoner once they had been released.

“It is impossible to determine who of those released will next commit a crime, just like it was impossible for the department to guarantee upfront that no one will again commit a crime.”

Smalberger’s words are cold comfort for 63-year-old Busisiwe Ndlela.

She is devastated by her grandson’s arrest and allegations that he raped one of her neighbours, a 94-year-old.

As far as Ndlela is concerned, her grandson Ntuthuko is dead to her.

She does not want to see him and she does not plan to ever visit him in jail.

“I don’t want him anywhere near my property. As far as I’m concerned he can stay in jail for the rest of his life.

“He has been nothing but trouble.

Tarnished their name

“He has completely tarnished our name in this community,” the distraught woman told City Press in her Swayimane home.

She confirmed that she had, before his release on remission, refused to sign for him to be paroled.

Andile Mdletye, the correctional services commissioner for the Pietermaritzburg area, told City Press the department was busy with Ndlela’s parole when Zuma’s remission came into effect.

Ndlela had served half his sentence and was eligible for parole.

Before parole can happen, correctional services has to establish whether the inmate has a positive support system to justify early release.

“A team visited the granny and she refused to sign.

“If no one signs, you can’t be released,” said Mdletye.

Comments
  • kim.buren - 2012-08-19 11:06

    Damn, he married a women with a brain !! Best he listens to his wife

      roger.hess.14 - 2012-08-19 11:15

      I fully agree & he would do well in listening to her as he could learn something. However he does keep some spares on hand in case one breaks down or becomes unworthy; let's hope this isn't the case.

      parys.fotograaf - 2012-08-19 18:18

      She clever enough not to speak to him about the money side of things....keeping her bread buttered is also important I gather.

      ally.oh.7 - 2012-08-20 14:23

      Really? How flippin' smart is this woman if she married him in the first place ... she seems to be wife No 3, or maybe 333rd in the queue, whatever.

  • fred.potgieter.92 - 2012-08-19 11:11

    Mamma has spoken...

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-08-19 13:27

      She could only be a better pres than he is!!!

      Vince.York - 2012-08-19 22:08

      she might have spoken BUT she also has in full complicity abided by all the corrupt contracts, deals, over inflated tenders and become one of the tax payer coffers' denuders by becoming an extra chattel to the zuma dynasty, in need of more claws to scratch flourishing signatures of largesse as the zuma and other BEE & BBBEE etc. dynasty's bloat. EACH & EVERY corrupt and unethical and immoral deal struck by any of these persons, e.g. Ramaphosa's Marikana BEE mine & then the arms deals, & oil and coal and iron ore and transport and taxi, non-education as well as untrustworthy 'trust fund' setup cons etc. hidden by even more unethical indian lawyers interpretations ad infinitum --- are the EXACT ROOT CAUSE OF THE TRAGEDY and many other tragedies soon to follow suit. See the killing fields around the stadiums & sniff out the foul stench of THEFT these creeps have perpetrated against all us citizens of SA in all their actions. And tax payers must pay for more enquiries, but they are the cause themselves & the deals WORSE THAN MURDER. Some serious penalty's are needed against the lot PLUS PAY BACK TIME TO THE NATION This new zuma anc has reached the equivalent of Sharpeville, let alone a few freed criminals.

  • sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-08-19 11:11

    I'm impressed! They will never ever release figures of how many prisoners released have been re-arrested. Thobeka for the people! It is like a breath of fresh air. Hopefully now that she has found her voice she can take up many worthy causes in the future.

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-08-19 12:40

      @sharon, do you honestly believe she has finally found her voice indeed? Call me a cynic I don't mind.

      brandon.mccutcheon.56 - 2012-08-19 12:58

      This is a cover up. Do you really believe one of his slaved wives will speak against him? He sent her there. Its all about votes, never about the people.

      john.bucknall.1 - 2012-08-20 05:45

      Geez Sharon, you are easily impressed, Siphom and Brandon are correct. Zipper knows his ass is on the line and very soon, he's an expert at smoke and mirrors. If it had anything to do with the people they wouldn't have been released in the first place. In payment Zipper is probably giving her her own credit card for the next shopping spree in Europe or wherever.

  • jean.tredoux.5 - 2012-08-19 11:12

    His wife must realize the showerhead rapist only wants more of his own kind around him... But good for her for having some intelligence!

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-08-19 11:14

    The Clown has not listened in the past, so I doubt that he will listen now.

  • motlatjo.wamamanyoha - 2012-08-19 11:14

    Let's hope he won't he expel from his Home for telling the Truth

  • michael.barns.1 - 2012-08-19 11:15

    now you are in the dog house, looks like you are sleeping on the couch tonight bro!

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-08-19 12:34

      Er 57 other wives... or whatever number.

  • bennie.marais.9 - 2012-08-19 11:16

    H

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-08-19 12:34

      P

  • bennie.marais.9 - 2012-08-19 11:17

    This is crazy

      mario.dippenaar - 2012-08-19 11:55

      I just met you

      jj.jeno.1 - 2012-08-19 12:22

      But here's my number...

      mario.dippenaar - 2012-08-19 12:48

      So call me maybe?

      anthonycharles.williams - 2012-08-19 15:08

      one does not simply...

      sanda.mnyazi - 2012-08-20 10:27

      hahahaha you guys

  • gudani.nedzingahe - 2012-08-19 11:18

    wat sort of exampl is he settn? Wat's de point of usng states resourcs on crimnls, if aftr sm mnths dey'l b relisd?

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-08-19 12:35

      What language are you wrtin?

      isabel.w.stokes - 2012-08-19 12:43

      I was also wondering that. I though we were writing English.

      susan.moremi - 2012-08-20 07:32

      I present to you Exhibit A: The result of using Mxit on the daily! English Please.

      sanda.mnyazi - 2012-08-20 10:28

      Engrish

      RiD123 - 2012-08-20 11:13

      I just realised you should be relisd too!!!

      tw2066 - 2012-08-20 19:31

      gudani rtygdrsdabh hfnbxghzxdg jeh izng WTF??

  • adam.gardener.12 - 2012-08-19 11:18

    He will have to shine his own spear for a while.

  • msturmair - 2012-08-19 11:21

    wow a woman is standing up for what is right, yip why release prisoners, they are there for a reason, they committed a crime. unless anc has hidden agendas that releasing prisoners = crime rules sa.....truly sad, eg here in local town, husban and wife was given a job to look after homeless kids, yes an international company financing the sitaution, the husband goes and rapes a 9yr old girl, she falls pregnant/contacted hiv, baby was removed and now she sits with an illness, GUESS what this man is free walking the streets......so where is the law and justice, imagine this little girl how she feels, she has been given death sentence.......another story 4 men break into a family hut, tie up husband rape wife infront of husband, beat husband up and yes criminals are free.........a woman is pregnant and is looking forward to baby, she is rushed to hospital and 1st one cant help, they send her to 2nd hospital they cut her open and baby is out, they leave her open and send her to 3rd hospital,there she died, now where is justice for the innocent.....im so sick and tired of government and their stupid actions.....how to change this?????? VOTE

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-08-19 14:06

      Yes, msturmair, vote - vote for the opposition. Bring justice back to our country, lock up the criminals - including a lot of our govt who are squeezing us dry. Bring order back to our country so ill people can be treated properly. Hang the people who rape and murder, especially when their victims are youngsters. This govt may hate whites but they spend their time trying to emulate 1st world countries without he knowledge to implement their daydreams.

  • Johan De Beer - 2012-08-19 11:25

    So, why haven't she spoken to him then? She has to tell other people of her intention first?

      siphom.mnguni - 2012-08-19 12:32

      @johandebeer, I concur bra. I don't believe a single word she uttered, to me it was nothing but just blowing hot air without any substance. Just a quote from her unintelligible noise:\he is a good listener\ really, why you didn't talked to him before letting off steam in public at a funeral, nogal

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-08-19 12:36

      Its all spin and politics. What would you have said to a bunch of angry women?

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-19 12:55

      Probably, like the rest of the country, she hasn't seen him for a while

  • fdalana - 2012-08-19 11:26

    maybe he will listen to you.

      charnelle.bester - 2012-08-19 16:05

      The tribe has spoken.

  • sipho.masilela2 - 2012-08-19 11:31

    SA needs educated leaders like,T MBHEKI.N MANDELA nt jst zombies 4rm nowhr...massacres,rape,fraud evrythng seems 2 increase...tsek mannn

      stephanie.sutherland41 - 2012-08-19 12:42

      Please just no Malema, he is an even bigger JOKE!!! And a really bad and fat joke at that. Won't surprise me if he has something to do with this violence to gain political clout after his idiotic exit!!!!

  • hcduplessis - 2012-08-19 11:32

    deceison W.T.f is deceison?? please correct your mistakes in the news headline or if you can't spell then use as spell checker.

      braamc - 2012-08-19 12:11

      General problem in SA, text books won't solve either.

      RiD123 - 2012-08-20 11:12

      you need to use "as" spellchecker too, incase you didnt know or realise it...

  • roodbol - 2012-08-19 11:37

    I just love it! We respect madam. Time SOMEONE speaks up, and who better than a wife. You have the power to turn around 'left-and-right' permission [by a President!] to rape, steal and murder again.

  • bryan.culross - 2012-08-19 11:46

    But your husband should be in jail too!!!

  • bruce.wells.963 - 2012-08-19 11:46

    Sounds like a woman after my own heart!

  • mabotja2 - 2012-08-19 11:48

    Zuma is a complete embarrassment and disaster.

      Zahir - 2012-08-19 16:18

      100% agreed

  • ptmakgato - 2012-08-19 11:53

    I really wonder what goes in Zuma's head sometimes, instead of putting measures to reduce crime he encourages it. It really was a mistake nje to nominate u as president, you are a disgrace to Africans, if u were my dad I don't think I'll be proud of u.

  • louise.minnie - 2012-08-19 11:53

    Thats proof Zuma released rapists. I think woman in SA should do what the indian ladies in pink saries do and that is hit men who disrespect woman.Every now and then go give all the disprespectful males a good hiding. How could Zuma do that! Idiot deluxe

  • rock.jason.52 - 2012-08-19 11:54

    This woman what she know about politic or rules of law? Did she know the procedure ruling to release certain prisoners, did have an idea how much the state spending to keep prisoners inside? \r\nThat's what happen when u have too much wives and each one will come out with her own idea.. She need to be discipline because she can't just talk on something she doesn't even know. If people can prevent what will do then we have to blame also parents of these raping why the didn't discipline their kids. Out of these release some are doing well and contributing in the society what only see the negative side? \r\nThis Man Zuma is in serious trouble......

  • theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-08-19 11:55

    "The remission programme saw some prisoners having their sentences reduced by six months at Zuma’s discretion." Zuma's discretion is very dangerous. just looking at the very sad state of affair this country is finding itself in

  • braamc - 2012-08-19 12:09

    Yes Mrs Zuma no 34. Indeed, over and above, what about your husbands cadres not going to jail nor himself.

  • pule.lesego.3 - 2012-08-19 12:10

    Deceision.And just what? she/he got a hell lot of money.

  • dewahlvisser - 2012-08-19 12:20

    Why saying she is going to talk to him! only now! It is a political ploy!

  • malusi.mtetwa - 2012-08-19 12:22

    I fully agree with mama uZuma.

  • derk.woldendorp - 2012-08-19 12:30

    Zuma has a small willy nilly

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-08-19 13:00

      Oom, what's 'n willy nilly.

      anthonycharles.williams - 2012-08-20 05:51

      brain

  • lenox.ntlantsana - 2012-08-19 12:32

    There you go Mrs President, it is still within the Woman's Month. Well done!

  • mantsho.tlali - 2012-08-19 12:48

    All of this should make the ANC loose Votes, because it is not safe at all, people live in fear in SA, it is not a safe country at all. But l tell you, instead of ANC loosing, they gain more support.Like one political Analyst said, no matter what the ANC do, harm or good, they know that their stay in power is always Guaranteed.So l say who cares.

  • charmaine.hoffmann.1 - 2012-08-19 12:49

    Dear Mrs. Zuma...Please tell your husband that the next time he gets that happy feeling to rather built more prisons.....that way we dont need to live in fear...

  • andrica.lekganyane - 2012-08-19 12:50

    Its Amazing how you all blame Pres Zuma as if he's makes these kinds of decisiona alone. The rulling party engage with other parties before taking such decisions. If we are to blame anyone, well, we should blame ALL MPs, for not defending this from the word go! Secondly, we are all responsible for fighting crime in SA, how do u expect 1 person out of millions and millions of ppl to do this alone. These ppl (murderers, rapists, hijackers) are probably your brothers and sisters, u can't even reprimand within your households but you expect Pres Zuma (one man) whom you nt even supporting to counsel them. Mh!!! Its abt time u start being involved and become a good citizen of this country and not just a number!

      charmaine.hoffmann.1 - 2012-08-19 12:58

      I have a very big family and extended family + friends...No one has ever been involved in any crime or gone to jail .... but many have been victims of crime...sad!! If there were more prisons and a better court system with people who new how to catch and keep criminals behind bars where they should be, life as we know it now would be much better for all...

      dudu.son.1 - 2012-08-19 13:25

      And the parole boards make recommendations, prez review documents all are as guilty. The firt lady may not be aware of processes prior to releace.

  • rocky.bell.5 - 2012-08-19 12:52

    DON'T BE FOOLED: ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS TO COVER UP SHOWER HEADS BOO-BOO. SUDDENLY SOMEONE NEAR THE PRESIDENT "TAKES A DIFFERENT STANCE" TO DIVERT THE ATTENTION -PLEEEEEEEZ, Does any one for one moment think a wife of the "president" will take on her "first citizen" husband in the media????? Not part of their custom for a wife to "attack" her husband. LMFAO. Don't be ignorant! PROPAGANDA: All propaganda has to be popular and has to accommodate itself to the comprehension of the least intelligent of those whom it seeks to reach. Adolf Hitler

  • KennySven - 2012-08-19 12:53

    Stop pushing your news24 apps down our throats,I don't wan't it

  • lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-19 12:56

    Poor JZ. From "The Spear" to "willy-nilly"

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-19 12:58

    Well I hope he listens to her, he surely doesn't listen to us.

  • charmaine.mcdonald2 - 2012-08-19 12:59

    You better listen to this wife, Zuma, and I still say: Flogg these rapists in public.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-08-19 13:01

    As much as I applaud our 1st lady (be she 1,2,3,4 or whatever) no disrespect to the office of the president, it is quite disturbing that our countries political business seems to be partly conducted from inner sanctums of a harem. Not that it does not happen in other places of the world, but ...lets just face it, the more wifes the more difficult it could be to make a reasonable decision. I mean, maybe one of the other wife's relatives could have been one of those pardoned, and that is why all these prisoners were released? What if that is the case......would the wives than have to mud wrestle to get their opinions taken seriously. But while I joke, the fact is that it should not be the wife that has the ear of the president, it should be the people that have the ear of the president. The rest of him the wives can divide whichever way they want.

  • logical007 - 2012-08-19 13:07

    Who needs the circus to come to town when the circus is permanently in town???

  • salaminah.moremikayizzi - 2012-08-19 13:18

    According to the article “A team visited the granny and she refused to sign. “If no one signs, you can’t be released,” said Mdletye. But Ndlela was released anyway, how did this happen?

      zwelethu.sabasaba - 2012-08-19 13:33

      They refused to sign for the parole not for the remission

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-08-19 13:21

    Zoom Zuum....the world is watching the circus

  • joyce.kweyama - 2012-08-19 13:22

    Tell your husband TO step down before \r\nanymore blood shed. Hes a good listener hell listen to you.

  • joyce.kweyama - 2012-08-19 13:22

    Tell your husband TO step down before \r\nanymore blood shed. Hes a good listener hell listen to you.

  • sibongiseni.mthembu.5 - 2012-08-19 13:25

    Plz Mrs Zuma,don't insult our intelligence. this thing happened long tym ago.Why didn't u engage Mr Zuma then,if he is a good listener ?Why are u now lambasting president Zuma in public?maybe Mr Zuma is not giving her enough attention n now she is using da media 2 get Mr Zuma's attention. we all know dat Mr president made a mistake.As his wife u must advice him,talk 2 him,guide him,support him n not criticize him in public.this is not da correct way of doing things(media first then ur husband). Mrs Zuma,if u want 2 b famous try da ff:release an album,write a book,play 4 Banyana Banyana,be a tv presenter,etc.

  • zwelethu.sabasaba - 2012-08-19 13:27

    If Zuma is not the one putting criminals in prison, why is he then the one to take them out? He should concentrate on his job, and the Department of Correctional Service should have refused to listen to him.

  • joyce.kweyama - 2012-08-19 13:50

    YOUR HUSBAND IS A GREEDY GRABBING UNEDUCATED TRIBALIST. TREATING THE COUNTRY AS HIS KINGDOM. HES THE WORST LEADER THE COUNTRY HAD EVER HAD.

  • B.b. - 2012-08-19 14:15

    So u think we r fools to listen to this? President is not autoctatic. He can't, out of all MPs make a decision and implement it alone. There are professionals involved in this process, so, stop fooling us.

  • jonas.mbedzi - 2012-08-19 14:16

    yebo-yes 1st lady Tobeka zuma has a point.

  • MoshKaDeph - 2012-08-19 14:47

    You should have spoken to you husband before media and puplic. This mean you are just like him, playing with us.