Mthethwa: Corrupt cops study misleading

2011-02-14 20:40

Johannesburg - An SA Institute of Race Relations study on South Africa's corrupt police is "misleading", Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa said on Monday.

"While we welcome contributions from all researchers, we believe it serves no intention when they go on misleading campaigns in order to articulate their findings," he said in a statement.

"There has been a concerted drive from this police leadership to fight crime smartly and toughly which, by the way, includes rooting those tsotsi-cops who may be amongst us, and we have been forthright about this.

"Whether the SAIRR chooses to deliberately or subjectively ignore this fact, our mission will continue unhindered," he said.

‘Alarming results’

The report titled "Broken Blue Line" was released on Monday and was conducted by the institute's unit for risk analysis.

After many media reports over the alleged involvement of policemen or "people dressed in police uniforms" in serious crimes, the institute set out to determine the scale of the problem.

"The results were alarming," the report reads.

"Within a week, a list of over 100 separate incidents alleging and/or confirming the police’s involvement in serious crimes was drawn up.

"Without exception, the 100 incidents identified in this report are related to very serious and often violent and pre-mediated criminal behaviour. These included ATM bombings, armed robberies, house robberies, rapes, murders, and serious assaults."

Researchers stopped looking for further incidents after identifying the 100 cases - about 75% of the cases happened between January 2009 and April 2010.

The study found that allegations of serious and violent crimes against police were not "simply isolated incidents", rather they fitted into a general pattern of allegations that was common across the country".

Committing crimes ‘with service weapons’

The allegation that people were committing crimes wearing police uniforms were not necessarily police officers was described as "unconvincing" in the report.

"From the 100 cases, a great many incidents are cited, where policemen on duty, in uniform, and/or driving state vehicles are alleged to have committed crimes often with their service weapons," it read.

It further found that very few convictions of police were recorded weighed against the large number of incidents reported.

On Monday, Mthethwa said a better approach for researchers would have been to approach the ministry with its findings and together work towards finding "sustainable solutions" to fight crime.

"For the record, some of the [SA Police Service] members, who were found guilty by courts of law, were additionally either dismissed and/or additional internal disciplinary measures imposed on them by the department," he said.

‘Constructive criticism’ wanted

Mthethwa said none of the 100 cases referred to in the report was ignored by police management.

Those involved were arrested and investigated. Legislation determining the mandate of the Independent Complaints Directorate was focused "squarely" on empowering the unit to be more effective.

The ICD now reported directly to the police ministry.

"We are not denialists in the fight against crime, nor are we turning a blind eye to suggestions but such must be constructive criticism," he said.

"We believe there is a war which, by the way, has been declared by criminals on law-abiding citizens, and that it is only through partnerships with media, civil society, business, youth formations and even credible researchers, that we can win this war," he said.

Any "credible" research had to recommend "new innovation, new ways of doing things, but once it states the obvious, it creates mistrust".

The ministry said police management was now paying "microscopic attention" to human resource development in the police from recruitment to retirement.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-02-14 20:55

    Mthethwa seems to be a bit confused. Researches work independently and objectively,gathering information and reaching a logical conclusion. It is not their job to manage the police.

      Hans-Erik Iken - 2011-02-14 21:39

      Not only that, nowhere in his response does he dispute the findings of the report. He merely states that instead of going public it should have been made available to the department only. This reeks of a wish to cover up the findings. I also find it extremely disturbing when he says: "For the record, some of the [SA Police Service] members, who were found guilty by courts of law, were additionally either dismissed and/or additional internal disciplinary measures imposed on them by the department," I would expect the policeforce to have a zero tolerance for its members that get involved with any crime, 'serious' or otherwise. The policeforce should set and maintain the standard, so any criminal behaviour should lead to instant dismissal after being found guilty by a court of law. Internal disciplinary action should only be appropriate when minor infractions occur, not criminal acts. And how can he expect an external, unrelated and independent organisation to come with "new innovation, new ways of doing things," and blame them for reporting that he alarmingly calls "once it states the obvious, it creates mistrust". The mistrust is there allready, the result of criminal police officers and the lack of action against them. This is a typical case of blaming the messenger and ignoring their own responsability.

      william.botha - 2011-02-14 22:33

      I don't think he is confused at all. He is programmed to think and act in only certain ways.

      maseratifitt - 2011-02-15 08:14

      william.botha : Arrogant, Nepotistic and Corrupt?

      lean - 2011-02-15 08:34

      An SA Institute of Race Relations study on South Africa's corrupt police is "misleading", Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa - OF CORES IT IS MISLEADING... A GANGSTER SHOULDN'T BECOME A POLICE MINISTER IN THE FIRST PLACE...

      foitapoilet - 2011-02-15 13:01

      Who is this peanut?

      Sedick - 2011-02-15 18:46

      Misleading is not the apt word.....seriously worrying, sh@tting in my pants, Oh F@K, hier kom K@K.......he does not deny the stats, but unhappy that it is published before they can sanitise, and modify, and bullsh@t again....disband the SAIRR, and replace it with them a lot, and then they can steal, and give the results that the ANC wants..........

  • Boerseun - 2011-02-14 20:59

    Methetwa have to face it: The truth will be exposed no matter what. better that he shut up and start doing his work, the way we want. I propose that all cops do foot patrols and not sit in offices and charge rooms.

  • Grazy - 2011-02-14 21:00

    I do think that the study is misleading. It probably found only the tip of the iceberg. I feel for the real cops out there that still want to do a good job and are proud to be called a cop.

      Andrez - 2011-02-15 13:56

      And when they do their work they get suspended

  • SayWhat? - 2011-02-14 21:30

    Any "credible" research had to recommend "new innovation, new ways of doing things, but once it states the obvious, it creates mistrust". Why would stating the obvious create mistrust? We all want to know the obvious, the facts. The mistrust comes about when those who want to cover up are exposed.

  • william.botha - 2011-02-14 22:13

    Gangster's paradise.

  • Warren - 2011-02-14 22:17

    It is ironic that before 1994 the ANC used to love the Institute of Race Relations.

      maseratifitt - 2011-02-15 07:35

      Warren. Things change. Here and there, there are still truly independent institutions,but the ANC will seek to control as many as possible. From reports I have read, it seems that the HSRC, for instance, is already firmly under ANC control.

  • william.botha - 2011-02-14 22:18

    Constructive criticism? How about taking government officials out of public services and let the right man for the job get the position.

      multicon - 2011-02-14 22:27

      So I guess Helen Zille is the right "man" for the job?

      william.botha - 2011-02-14 22:30

      @multicon-Take a proverbial hike!

      Other Justin - 2011-02-15 13:07

      @multicon - probably, but I am sure that you could substitute most government officials with 7 year olds from my kids school and they would do a better job.

  • Spyker - 2011-02-14 22:20

    ... The SABC can save millions – viz remove all the comedy programs and replace it with remarks from the ANC. These clowns are getting more preposterous by the day... The biggest TSOTSI COP of the lot = the boss CELE..! How long ago did these freaks fall out of the trees – yesterday afternoon..? The only misleading aspect re the report = the police misleading themselves AGAIN – well actually still... There are a few unadulterated jewels (from the leading article), eg, - “...Mthethwa said a better approach for researchers would have been to approach the ministry...” Are you nuts Mthethwa – you have a better chance of being murdered by a police officer (in uniform, on duty) than ever actually coming close enough to “approach the ministry”. - “...For the record, some of the [SAPS] members, who were found guilty...” What, like, one..?? To repeat “SOME” were found guilty – where is this freak (Mthethwa) from..? The set of “Police Academy 1”..? - “...Mthethwa said none of the 100 cases referred to in the report was ignored by police management...” As opposed to the thousands of cases that happened before Jan ’09 and after Apr ’10 that you did ignore, you feckless oaf..! Not to mention the fact that a bunch grey suited academics uncovered more cases than the cops did. But then again, they were so busy chasing around French pensioners in the desert, perhaps we should give them a break... Get it..? cont. below...

      Spyker - 2011-02-14 22:28

      - “...We are not denialists in the fight against crime...” No you obtuse pr*ck – you are just “denialists”(sic) per sé... In passing, there is no known language that contains the word “denialists” – but then again, this = the ANC, they talk directly to God, so perhaps mere mortals are not meant to follow them (oops, that slipped out). - “...We believe there is a war which, by the way, has been declared by criminals on law-abiding citizens...” Excuse me sir, who are these “criminals” you are talking about, that has “declared war on law-abiding citizens” – THE SAPS..??? - “police management was now paying ‘microscopic attention’” – WHAAAAT..!?! As opposed to BEING PAID MACROSCOPIC BRIBES..? Perhaps “police management” (whatever that means) should spend less time behind their microscopes and some time behind their binoculars surveying the single biggest crime syndicate on the planet – THE SAPS..! I will conclude with the ABSOLUTE CROWN JEWEL OF THE NEW MILLENIUM: “...but once it (credible research) states the obvious, it creates mistrust...” _ BEAM ME UP, SCOTTY..!!! PS – Margaret Thatcher (ie former British Prime Minister) once said that whoever thought the ANC could rule South Africa was living in cloud-cuckoo-land... Thank you Mr Mthethwa, SIR. You presented the remainder, of the only known intelligent life in the universe, with a patent case-in-point...

      Hans-Erik Iken - 2011-02-14 22:58

      You left out one gem: "new innovation". I never heard of 'old' innovation but I guess I was asleep during class when that was discussed.

  • sve - 2011-02-14 22:24

    There's nothing misleading about the study,infact I think the figures could be understated.Mthethwa should rather focus on dealing with the problem at hand instead of disputing reaserch findings.

  • Marius - 2011-02-14 22:46

    altyd reaktief. gaan dit regmaak. ek is groter as die werk.wie gee julle die reg om te kritiseer. ek weet die beste. die anc se slagspreuk. ons vat en gee niks terug nie. nog nie een deurdagte plan gesien nie. hulle weet beter as die hele wereld se ekonome. hulle skep werk met salaris subsidies inplaas daarvan om produktiwiteit te verbeter. baai RSA

  • MortNews - 2011-02-14 23:56

    It starts at the top. Mthethwa and Cele would themselves not stand up to serious scrutiny. And their boss, Jacob Zuma, ought to be in prison. Who is setting a moral example for the vast number of poorly selected and badly trained police? Exactly!

  • Joe - 2011-02-15 02:08

    Even if Africans are in traditionally population-trusted positions, they remain opportunistic criminals. It's in their nature.

      theoldmanofthemountains - 2011-02-15 14:02

      So Joe, tell me: does that include you too?

  • Jelena - 2011-02-15 06:42

    Iqanda,You sound like a big time criminal.Only criminals loves the way way the country is going down.The ANC is nothing to be proud of.A lot of fun buns and the world is laughing at the way they think and do things.Wake up.You are going down already.

      Felix - 2011-02-15 11:09

      Either that or a little pr*ck who instigates trouble. Either way I'd love to see him voicing his opinion in a cage with a MMA fighter.

  • cfpretorius - 2011-02-15 07:03

    Mthethwa = fail.

  • daaivark - 2011-02-15 07:09

    "we believe it serves no intention" What does this mean in normal English?

  • MWSAG - 2011-02-15 07:19

    Unfortunately, it is a reflection on police management. More and more the attitude of the police is changing from upholders of the law to a belief that they are the law, including Mthethwa statement.

  • Alwyn - 2011-02-15 07:36

    Misleading se gat.During 2008 i arrested 7 Chinese for entering the country illigally, a Chinese male from Durban offered me a R25 000 bibe to release them, i played along,recieved R5000 and arrested him,handed the money in as an exhibit,he gets released on bail,money stolen by SAP13 Clerk,ADMITS TO THE THEFT,case agains chinese thrown out because money is gone,The SAPS member getrs a six months suspended sentence and promoted to commander at a sattelite station,Theft of SAP 13 exibits is a dismissable offence,,,,6 months suspended and the chinese huma trafficer running free,,,,This is the truth,,Emangusi SAP 2008,,,Capt A P Kruger,,,,not SAP ANYMORE

      Alwyn - 2011-02-15 07:38

      please excuse the spelling,cant type fast

      Felix - 2011-02-15 11:12

      Sic! That's messed up...

  • amabok - 2011-02-15 08:16

    LOL!!!! How exactly does stating the obvious (ie facts) create mistrust? Fatboy Mthethwa you're so typically African - eneducated and paranoid. Have another sushi roll

  • Smaal - 2011-02-15 08:18

    I agree, the study is misleading. The Institute of Race Relations is under ANC management. The study stopped looking after 100 cases were found. If anything this study was underreporting the seriousness of the situation. Mthethwa is no spin-doctor that’s for sure. He even admits that criminals in the police force only got suspended. The study also found that the minimum of action was taken against the majority of these criminals and thus these criminals are still in the employ of the police force. Then of course Mthethwa said that the report should not have been made public. He also confirmed that this all is common knowledge or obvious?!?! This article is so full of ANC tendencies I would not even wipe my ass with it. Might get an ANC infection or some weird virus or something. .. and this is all supposed to make me feel better and actually convince me to trust the police?!?!

  • Judge Dredd - 2011-02-15 08:31

    NO, Mthetwa, YOU are misleading, not the report. YOU are creating mistrust about the report. A "credible" report according to YOU would be a report which make the police force and the ANC/SACP look good. YOUR party has appointed ex-MK and ex-APLA cadres into the police. Trained terrorists and violaters of human rights. Also, YOU and your predecessors appointed black policemen who could not read or write. This is the main reasons for YOUR corrupt police force. YOU are NOT to be trusted. We all know that by now.

  • Hardtalk - 2011-02-15 08:49

    When the ANC gets their new media laws past we will never be told anything. If the Police make half the crime themselves how will we ever win???????? The lack of discipline and true commitment is not just the police but also the whole set-up of SA. Run by the ANC. Try and get a gun license so you can carry a gun to protect yourself, it is not easy and it should not be easy. We don’t want any idiot carrying a gun, but if you want a gun just join the SAPS. (If you lose it don’t worry they will give you another one free) Mr. Zuma & Mr. Mthethwa if we need help and protection where do we go?????? Let me tell you both what the future is for SA. People taking to the street in protest and vigilantes taking the law into their own hands, mob law and kangaroo courts. Fix it or lose it.

  • bosegoos - 2011-02-15 09:37

    Minister, you and your sidekick are in a state of denial. GET REAL!

  • Francois - 2011-02-15 10:16

    Minister Mthethwa, we will see how you handle the alleged Tsotsi cop Cele, once we get the report. If the evidence is such that he broke the law, he must go to jail. Show us that you can put your money where your mouth is!

  • ludlowdj - 2011-02-15 10:56

    Just another attempt to cover up the truth, don't get sore boys, get your house in order instead. And yes criminals have declared war on the citizens of this country.....unfortunately most of the criminals wear that fancy blue uniform and are sanctioned by the government. Its called internal destabilization and is used to justify the the governments need to invoke martial law on the people of the country. This ultimately ends when the they have total control of everything. This was taught to all ANC cadre and officials by the communists during their "struggle"

  • Gustav - 2011-02-15 11:54

    Unfortunately corruption in the police as everywhere else in our government goes straight to the top. How do you fix it?

  • ir8m8 - 2011-02-15 11:56

    I would like clarity on what was defined as a police officer in the report, did it include metro police, did it include security officers, they too are dresses as police, and to a simple layman, or rural person may be one and they same, i think then the numbers may have been significantly higher. Mr. Minister, i admire the fact that you are honest about the situation and that you are taking it on, but consider that your force (the protectors of the vulnerable and weak) have a very poor image in the community and i am afrain institutions like metro cops and security guards may be tarnishing it more than assisting it.

  • XAD - 2011-02-15 12:55

    "We believe there is a war which, by the way, has been declared by criminals on law-abiding citizens". If Police officers are the 'criminals' does this mean that the Police is at war with the law-abiding citizens?

  • vandermerwe.martin - 2011-02-15 12:57

    Off course he will say so, he is one of the biggest corrupted cops in the SAPS

  • noag - 2011-02-15 13:12

    Dear Comrade Nathi, If you did not suspend policemen for doing their job, and if you did not abuse your position to protect ANC criminals, then you may gain some credibility.

  • Lawrence - 2011-02-15 14:04

    I discharged an employee who was embezzling funds from my business, to which he confessed in writing. A charge was laid against him at our local police station. Some months later, to my surprise, he had enlisted in the police force and came to visit our work premises in a police van to say hello.

  • DeonL - 2011-02-15 14:24

    Crime in SA could be dealt a good blow if all the criminals in the Police are kicked out and even jailed.

  • e.henning101 - 2011-02-15 14:38

    What else can be expected of any law enforcement institution/ country - alleged service (like the US of A = protect and serve!), which is led by criminals themselves?! Criminals benefitting 100% directly from the criminal activity!!

  • Mikus - 2011-02-15 14:47

    An SA Institute of Race Relations study on South Africa's corrupt police is "misleading" - no that's wrong - it's an absolute tragedy that a "study" like this has relevance in our continuingly infant democracy. Shame, shame on all those with the power to have prevented this corruption!

  • Mr.Glum - 2011-02-15 14:50

    "Misleading" He had to say this to prove his loyalty – we understand Minister Mthethwa.

  • Perfume - 2011-02-15 16:11

    The cops will stay being corrupt because everything said against them is MISLEADING!!!!!!!!!

  • Ang - 2011-02-15 18:45

    Strange how cops acccused of rape, murder, heists etc etc are kept on the job while investigations continue but the cops involved in the Winnie Mandela incident, who were actually doing their job that they are paid for are suspended??!?!?! Mthethwa, your police force is a joke, I really feel sorry for those cops that are fighting a losing battle with both their management and against crime.

  • Ho - 2011-02-15 19:07

    Another monkey who has been placed in his position because of his black skin...doesn't help him though when he is forced to think-because he can't! Lee ba rashun BEE four air jukashun!

  • archilito - 2011-02-15 21:14

    Follow the leader. Tell me this is joke.

  • Carl Muller - 2011-02-21 19:51

    I am ashamed to say I am a South African. Daily I see solving of crimes. I have no break-in the last 5 year, Thank G-d. And the people only find fault. Nowhere I see credit for the SAPS members getting credit for stopping crime, even in their own midst! Wake up people, give credit where it is due!

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