Mugabe makes pre-referendum SA trip

2013-03-08 17:36

Pretoria - Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe visited South Africa for talks with ally Jacob Zuma on Friday, just days before Zimbabweans vote on a new constitution.

The veteran leader attended a meeting of former liberation and struggle movements hosted by President Zuma in Pretoria.

Zimbabwe holds a vote on 16 March to adopt or reject a new constitution and will hold a watershed election due in July.

Both Mugabe and Zuma refused to answer questions on the constitutional referendum, despite allegations of a mounting crackdown on civic and rights organisations.

South Africa has long played a pivotal role in Zimbabwe, but has resisted pressure to publicly condemn rights abuses in the country.

"We share the same values, we went through the same route," Zuma said after the meeting, flanked by Mugabe.

"We believe that our positions as former liberation movements need to be consolidated."

The talks took place at Freedom Park, a monument built on a hill in Pretoria to honour those killed during all of South Africa's wars and the struggle against apartheid.

  • JanGrimbeek - 2013-03-08 17:39

    He just came to make sure his house is ready for him if and when required...

  • Philip Condor - 2013-03-08 17:47

    This punk should be arrested when in South Africa for Humanrights violation

  • Philip Buys - 2013-03-08 17:55

    YOU ARE NOT WELCOME! Rob Macshrimp

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2013-03-08 17:57

    Two comrades sharing how easy it has been to destroy there respective countries and increase their personal wealth and material goods at the same time.

  • Lindy Jeffery - 2013-03-08 18:02

    Bosom buddies!!!!! Bad news..

  • marina.poniatowska - 2013-03-08 18:03

    "We share the same values" - a bit worrying, don't you think?

  • motse.lesenyeho - 2013-03-08 18:05

    ''speak-up!!'' lol

  • Thabo Komana - 2013-03-08 18:06

    Those who dont know the real African history will always find anything in their heads to critisise Mugabe. He was right.Land in our lifetime.

      michael.kleber.376 - 2013-03-08 18:16

      Thabo it is not difficult to find something to criticise the racist leader mugabe about you just need to look at the mess Zimbabwe is and you can fool yourself by saying it is not a mess , but 4 million zimbabwe refugees in South Africa must tell you something even in the height of apartheid never did south africans flood other african countries as zimbabweans flow here .

      patricia.dewet.92 - 2013-03-08 18:22

      He is killing his people, that is why we are sitting with them.

      Ronald - 2013-03-08 18:23

      I would hate to see the condition Zim would be in if he was wrong! Hell, they might just have been able to feed themselves as well as exporting food to other countries, have a working infrastructure, a single digit inflation rate instead of it looking like the newest prime number, people flooding into Zim for all the work that could have been created, new roads and houses not inhabited by government officials popping up all over the place. Heaven forbid THAT should happen.

      rob.tubbs.39 - 2013-03-08 18:23

      Hey Thabo... Who would want a 'barren wasteland' like Zimbabwe? Tell me one thing the Zimbabwe Government has done to improve the life of the impoverished, both in the Rural and Urban areas. Still eating grass and grass-hoppers, mice and anything else that may be unfortunate enough to have four legs - or more. Yeah sure, Mugabe, his 'henchmen' and buddies prosper. It is for this reason that he will win the next Elections. Military and Police on your side, you are bound to win. No credible monitors means intimidation will be 'rife' - we are looking at the History of Elections in Zimbabwe...

      jimmy.walls.90 - 2013-03-08 18:31

      @ kobus.hugo.12 Thabo does not drive trains. His job is to count them. Freight trains, nogal!

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-03-08 19:02

      @ Thabo Komana - So you know the real African history.... What happened in July 1234 in the city of Tswane? Don't know? Ha! Ha! OK this one is easier... What happened in London in July 1234? Still don't know?? Ha! Ha!

      Jacques Shreky Stander - 2013-03-08 19:11

      Thabo thabo thabo...........zzzzzzzz !!!!! Sorry ...fell asleep !! Stupidity bores me.

      Jacques Shreky Stander - 2013-03-08 19:16

      THabo !!! next time you feel the urge to publicize your opinion ........ Don't !!!

      Yanga Maroloma - 2013-03-08 19:46

      Thabo bra uryt! The next generation of Zim would thank prez Mugabe, the nxt generation of SA would hate prez Zuma. The imperialist will always hate Mugabe. Mugabe is doing what was agreed on before the fame.

      mantsho.tlali - 2013-03-08 21:15

      @Thabo if Your Mugabe is a good African leader and his policies are working perfectly fine, Why are his people all over the world running from Zimbabwe and Mogabe? We have a millions of Zimbabweans in our country and you people dont even like this people. Dont boast your time to run is coming soon, if you dont open your eyes not to do the same mistake, SA is a BIG BIG Country !We dont need land Reform or whatever that it is, Government should give some of its land to the people and help them to process it, for food security sake.

      Winifred Watson - 2013-03-09 09:27

      Thabo, whilst mugabe is here, why dont you go back with him. If you are his biggest supporter you will be well cared for, if not you will starve like the rest of his people. Seems, same thing happening here, support the ANc and you will receive abundance of wealth, if you are in the back of the queue, there probably wont be anything left for you. All this land things is nothing but hot air. What good is a piece of land to anybody if they dont use it to its full you think sitting a piece of land and just excreting on it every day is the right thing, whereas the piece of land can be used for farming etc. Wake up this is the real world where people are active and going forward technology is abundant. This is not the days of the past, where people sit on their backsides under a tree and smoke a pipe. The world is going forwards, people are multiplying , now grow up whats gone is gone is history now pick up your feet and walk forward and work for what you want like the rest of us. What happened in the past, those people are long dead, its a new century, new people, lets work together and let the dead and past go.

  • Donald Ronald - 2013-03-08 18:14

    Thambo Komano u have Nonie what you are talking about. I doubt if you are Zimbabwean you should ask a Zimbabwean how evil that man is. Land is nothing without democracy and your rights trampled upon. The people to which land has been allocated to have no title deeds to the land. And besides how do you kill someone so you could give the land to someone whom you believe needs it. Murder so you can give.

  • David Mbofana - 2013-03-08 18:17

    I like mugabe and what evr pple say about him will nvr change how l like how he rules

      jimmy.walls.90 - 2013-03-08 18:33

      Then why don't you go back to Zim and live there? Surely Marondera is better than Cape Town.

      marina.poniatowska - 2013-03-08 18:42

      Maybe go to school and learn to spell while you at it...

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-03-08 19:08

      You like Mugabe so much that you live in Cape Town! Ha! Ha! That is as far as you can get from him!!

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2013-03-08 21:15

      WTF are you doing in Cape Town then moron, stealing my oxygen? Fk off back to Zim if you like how he rules!

  • maraisl - 2013-03-08 18:19

    We went through the same route? Huh

  • jimmy.walls.90 - 2013-03-08 18:24

    ""We share the same values, we went through the same route," Zuma said after the meeting...". Values? He means what goes for 'values' in this part of the world. Be very afraid!

  • Deon de Lange - 2013-03-08 18:24

    Birds of a feather...

  • Valerie van der Nest - 2013-03-08 18:28

    We like no food no work no money no nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • mandla.mthembu.14 - 2013-03-08 18:32

    Can some One say something constructive. .with Mugabe or not.

  • mandla.mthembu.14 - 2013-03-08 18:36

    Which camp are you inn? Maybe you might just tell me something that will make me dicide time belong some where?

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-03-08 19:10

      @ Mandla - Just do your own thinking. You most definitely will not vote for the anc.

  • Mario Kleynhans - 2013-03-08 18:40

    Even Bob has now left! Will the last person leaving Zim please switch off the lights!

      Tapiwa C Mapfumo - 2013-03-08 19:58

      You don't know wat u re talking about!!

  • Ronald Van Toorn - 2013-03-08 18:43

    We share the same values it says it all!

  • Alan Street - 2013-03-08 18:44

    Asking for weapons?!

  • gerasimos - 2013-03-08 19:07

    A tar baby in wolves clothing

  • Musawashe Moyo - 2013-03-08 19:20

    Zuma was in e bush fighting for S.A. Freedom. Mugabe was in e bush fighting for Zim freedom frm imperialists. Only that Zuma stl need to fully scrap imperialist rule after fully using all their tax money,hence there is Nkandla.

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2013-03-08 21:17

      Well you can take Zuma and Mugabe out of "e bush" but you can't take "e bush" out of Zuma and Mugabe, and the same goes for you.

      Musawashe Moyo - 2013-03-08 21:27

      Are u guys imperialists?

  • henry.vanderfartenburp - 2013-03-08 19:25

    "Ally Jacob Zuma" That says it all...

      Muenda Ramulongo - 2013-03-08 19:40

      We are allies. We r gonna need each other in times of needs. We cannot afford to harras our neihbours, we may need them 2morow. After all its us against them u see ?

  • Patrick Saunders - 2013-03-08 20:04

    grace be wanting some new shoes.

  • rob.martin.94402343 - 2013-03-08 20:08

    One dictator meeting another, want to compare notes or Bob is chasing the R800 mil loan

  • lionel.schultz.1 - 2013-03-08 20:34

    The headline is incorrect and should read, 'Mugabe makes pre-referendum shopping trip to SA.

  • mantsho.tlali - 2013-03-08 21:32

    All SA People who support Mugabe and think he is a good leader and his policies are the best, Why you dont you just leave, go and live in Zimbabwe, Just GO,STOP complaining here just pack and move out, dont forget to take Malema with you. Zimbabweans cannot live in Zim because there is no Food, Medical care, life is so difficult, some places people dont even have water, transport is a disaster, a person can walk almost 3Hrs to get to work.l have meet a lots of Zim people who will say Mogabe destroyed a beatiful country, things are bad, the MAN is Bad! Just look at Zim people when they speak, so much pain, and YOU think Mugabe is good, FOOLS !

      Silvia Van Eck - 2013-03-09 10:25

      Thanks for sharing Mantsho. Unfortunately most people will not listen to you. They first need to suffer like the Zimbabweans are suffering before believing what you say!!

  • jungleboy - 2013-03-08 22:01

    honour among thieves.

  • John Lonsdale - 2013-03-09 07:01

    You are no longer a liberation movement, you are a political party in a free democracy, so there's no need to consolidate. Haaaa Haaaa Haaaa, I crack myself up sometimes.

  • Altus Kirsten - 2013-03-09 08:23

    Old Bob looking for money from Zuma to fund the referendum?

  • Cali Dewberry - 2013-03-09 09:53

    The supporters of the supporters of those very values are the ones who will reap the rewards of their dictators values, their only hope in life will be reduced to a loaf of bread! No wonder our government has corrupted the education department, keeping them blinded. It is the ethnic Zimbabweans who have suffered the most, not the colonials, they may have lost their mony but not their hope.

  • Mabhesha'nkone ZoSuthu - 2013-03-09 11:10

    "Former liberation movements - positions consolidated". Africans, this is nonsense. These people are wasting out time. They are betraying our liberation by failing to move forward.

  • rory.n.price - 2013-03-09 19:02

    When is he going to dieeeeeeeeeeeee

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