Murder-accused cop might be unstable

2011-05-04 14:23

Johannesburg - A policeman, accused of shooting dead a woman at a police station last week, may be mentally unstable and pose a threat to society and himself, the Kempton Park Regional Court heard on Thursday.

The State asked for a postponement of the bail hearing on Wednesday because it needed clarity on the mental and psychological state of Manapa Phineas Kgoale, 38.

"There are numerous aspects for the investigating officer to clear up," said prosecutor Lynette Lambert.

She said the sergeant had a history of alcohol abuse and was referred for police counselling as a result of emotional stress.

The stress was apparently caused by his girlfriend not wanting him to see his child.

Freed from rehab centre

Kgoale was released from a rehabilitation clinic for alcohol abuse a week before the shooting.

"The State is concerned with the accused's mental state and well-being, taking into account his trauma.

"Because of the facts of this case, we must look at public interest...we need a preliminary report on his mental well-being, and decide whether he is a danger to the public and whether he is a danger to himself," said Lambert.

"We must make sure that if this accused gets bail he doesn't kill someone and that he doesn't kill himself."

Lambert said there were many questions that needed to be answered.

"What he did is indeed unusual and strange."

Defence: Cop is not mad

Defence attorney Riaan Louw opposed the postponement, saying his client was not mad.

"When my client was released from the rehab clinic they found him to be fit and proper and told him to return to his duties.

"If the State wants to know why the incident took place, we have answers to give during bail," said Louw.

"What they are implying is that my client has a huge psychological problem and that he is mad. Well I can tell you he is not mad."

Louw accused that State of fishing for problems because of all the media attention.

He said the State intended opposing bail because of the rehabilitation and a firearm training course that Kgoale underwent this year.

"They want to know, if he went for training, how [did] this happen?

No history of violence

"We are confident we have a valid defence...the State cannot keep the accused in custody because they want to do further investigations."

He said it did not mean that if a person had an alcohol problem that he was a threat to society.

"Half of our society has a drinking problem. Let us put the facts before court and let the court then decide whether to send him for mental observation. There is no history of any violence or him hurting anyone or having any problems," said Louw.

The sergeant allegedly shot dead Jeanette Odendaal at the Kempton Park police station last Tuesday after she drove her car into a stationary police vehicle.

  • Badger - 2011-05-04 14:28

    Last week when I suggested that this could be one of teh factors that played a role here I was crusified by fellow forum members. I still maintain that each cop should undergo annual phsycological testing to see if he/she is still fit to work with the public and carry a fire arm.

      POLLENYS - 2011-05-04 14:36

      It goes without saying. How does he and his ilk become cops in the first place? Are there ANY tests?

      Worldwise - 2011-05-04 18:02

      Badger, when I was a member of the SANDF we had to undergo a yearly psychological exam. Those that were identified for further investigation received personal interviews and treatment. Why aren't the cops required to disarm members found psychologically unfit?

      Eric West - 2011-05-04 19:19

      @ POLLENYS You only need to be black and a card carrying member of the ANC to join the SAPF.

      VaderOns - 2011-05-09 17:29

      There are tests. Check to see if you have a criminal record. It is now mandatory to have one.

  • Krush - 2011-05-04 14:30

    Why do the police not do regular check ups? How can they issue a firearm to a man who has just come out of rehab for alcohol abuse and has a history of mental instability?

  • Protest - 2011-05-04 14:30

    The "Mentally unstable" card was played very recently. Try something else this time. How about shocking everyone and simply plead guilty.

  • Jelly - 2011-05-04 14:32

    I agree he "might" be unstable, just as our government and Juju!!!How can an unstable cop with a drinking problem be permitted to carry a gun, please explain this shite Cele???

  • Stephen - 2011-05-04 14:33

    I thought police cadets do go through some sort of psychological testing to ascertain whether or not they are suitable for the job. I find it strange that when this particular policeman applied to be one, it was decided that he is "mentally stable" enough to carry a gun, but now that someone has died as a result of his poor judgement, he is now "mentally unstable"!! If anything, this whole event should teach the police force that the way they test prospective policeman before giving them a gun, is flawed.

      POLLENYS - 2011-05-04 14:37

      And being black does not automatically qualify you.

  • Lizette - 2011-05-04 14:34

    Whether he is mentally fit or not he shot dead a member of the public! Defence is also trying to soften the facts by saying that he thought the driver was a 'hi-jacker'! PLEASE!!!! Lawyers like this give all a bad name!!!

      Warren - 2011-05-04 15:38

      The lotto commision is consistantly not choosing my random quick pick numbers. Think I'll go find some granny to bust a cap in her ass to relieve some tension... I mean, how illegal can it be???

  • Felix - 2011-05-04 14:34

    The prosecutor lays up the 'insanity' defence and the defence attorney.... misses! Arg, they better have a good play lined up to win this one.

  • DW - 2011-05-04 14:35

    "He said it did not mean that if a person had an alcohol problem that he was a threat to society" - no, but this man clearly is a threat to society. He simply walked out and shot a woman with absolutely no provocation whatsoever. The court would be remiss in allowing him to walk free. What if he does it again? At the very least, keep him in a psychiatric institution. If he is found to be sane, then keep him locked up. Its not like he can deny he committed the crime, so innocent until proven guilty doesnt exactly hold water here.

  • Irish711 - 2011-05-04 14:35

    Well we don't just have Illiterate people in our Police Force and Traffic Department but now Mentally unstable people as well. How do they get the jobs??????? Or is this just another excuse for incompetence. Oh I forgot, it is Apartheid's fault.

      Michelle - 2011-05-04 14:50

      You hit the nail on the head!! Apartheid, the root of all evil. Incompetence doesn't even start to describe the problems.

  • brianR - 2011-05-04 14:36

    I wonder if people ever realise the stress the SAPS personel work under... and then to hear there is no such thing as PTSD... Police counceling? ja right

      Toze.Pina - 2011-05-04 15:11

      Ja Brian, this one seems to be a typical case of PTSD... lots of stress from noding off his desk at the charge office and sleeping in every corner of the station as we often witness everytime we need to visit those characters who are supposed to "serve and protect"!!!

      M.H - 2011-05-04 15:14

      Sorry Brian, I have to disagree with you, I have walked into many police stations and half the personal have looked like they were half asleep and the other half seem to be on a permenant go-slow, not typical of someone suffering from stress.

  • CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-05-04 14:38

    well then he should become a politician or Minister as he would fit right in....

  • jds - 2011-05-04 14:42

    you think!!??

  • Expat - 2011-05-04 14:44

    Ooh a Eureka moment! So what's new, The whole SA police force is mentally unstable and poses a threat to South African society. This is not news it is common knowledge

  • JR - 2011-05-04 14:45

    How can the Police then appoint such a person. Don't you apply and then screening done on all applicants. So they basically put a gun in the criminals hand?!

  • flicknife - 2011-05-04 14:49

    Defence attorneys like Riaan Louw are just taking the money even though they know their clients are guilty. Releasing an alcholic back to a workplace with his firearm is like releasing a sex offender without castrating him.

  • Badger - 2011-05-04 14:52

    This is BS, had rolls been reversed they would all be screaming Rascist. Same as that farmer murder and some BS about other motives. Peopl are getting sick and tired of this shit. We might land up like Zim, but we will fight a very different way to how they did in Zim.

  • Father-Time - 2011-05-04 14:53

    Arent they all mentally unstable? Animals, the whole troop of them.

  • Lennox - 2011-05-04 14:54

    The State is concerned with the accused's mental state and well-being, taking into account his trauma. What about the mental state and well-being of the victims poor family after the trauma caused by the shooting. Took the policeman a few seconds to pull the trigger but the family will be burdened with the emotions for a lifetime. Like a rapist, for a few minutes pleasure imprisons his victim with the emotinal trauma for the rest of her life

  • DrGNL - 2011-05-04 14:55

    police psychologists get half of the salary their counterparts in the Dept of Health, Correctional Services and Military get due to SAPS not getting OSD. So what do you expect is going to happen to SAPS members who start to experience work-related stressors?

  • tim - 2011-05-04 14:58

    So why was he on the force if he has these medical issues? is there no vetting process in the employment procedure?

  • sbouttell - 2011-05-04 15:07

    I'm sure her family are thrilled that some yahoo who is mentally unstable, was not only made a police officer, but given a gun. The gun that ultimately killed her. Well done Police recruiting process...

  • ji - 2011-05-04 15:08

    and the retards in charge of this stuff-up still let it carry a gun , well done cele you have just proved how incopetant you and the new SAPS is under the useless ANC .

  • GregandShaz - 2011-05-04 15:09

    and this is our police a joke

      Mikea - 2011-05-04 15:25

      Just like our Defense Force. I realise this is a thankless job but at least the proper scrutiny,testing and training should be done on recruits. Unfortunately to be a Policeman now is more about getting a job and not protecting its citizens.

  • Thandi - 2011-05-04 15:15

    Oh boy - a cop behaving like a typical South African cop. Chances are he knows someone in the ANCorruption, so he will get a wrist slap and be back on the take - oops, sorry, meant beat.

  • Gorilla - 2011-05-04 15:23

    "A policeman, accused of shooting dead a woman at a police station last week, may be mentally unstable" No! Seriously?

  • Ockert - 2011-05-04 15:30

    What happened to the Kempton Park Rape Cops ?? , and is this another one in Kempton That will get away with full pension. Whats to investigate , he shot there is a witness - the rest might be mitagating circumstances that can be presented during sentencing.

  • onmyway - 2011-05-04 15:39

    What a bloody idiot! His craving most prob got the worst of him...

  • Warren - 2011-05-04 15:43

    The ANC goverment is trying to disarm the general public but in the same breath they are arming mentally unstable cops. Am I the only one not supprised by this?

  • MadMatt_88 - 2011-05-04 15:53

    Yes, he very well may be a threat to society. Bloody geniuses.

  • D - 2011-05-04 15:59

    How on earth can they justify the nightmare that every legal gun owner has to face to get a license when they allow people like this one walk around with a gun?? even under the old gun ownership laws he had given enough reasons to be declared "unfit to posses a firearm"

  • Janine - 2011-05-04 17:11

    Lots of people don't have a history of violence until they snap and do something awful. Sounds like a psych evaluation is a good idea in this case.

  • Monica - 2011-05-04 17:29

    Once again; when will the ANC realize that you have to screen the people that you employ in Government departments. Besides education; the President has none; you require a certain criteria in employing anyone in any job! Obviously they are too stupit or ignorant to realize that!

  • Karen - 2011-05-04 17:39

    No way????? U kidding right????

  • Dave - 2011-05-04 18:30

    You guys are doff, can't you see that this is just another way to get him off the hook?

  • chantal de pierres - 2011-05-04 18:46

    No point dealing in generalisations and bigotry, this is a case that will play out in the court-no one knows yet how this tragedy happened.

  • chicklil - 2011-05-04 18:52

    Its the state that's saying he is mentally unstable and the defense saying he is not mad? I did read that right, didn't I?

  • Morgan Wolf - 2011-05-05 10:02

    When it gets to being "mentally unstable" it's not always a case of being mad. When checking a patient's mental health there are three basic classifications; mad, bad and sad. It could be that this cop is sad aka depressed and not functioning well because of lack of sleep etc etc

  • VaderOns - 2011-05-09 17:23

    Yeah. Just because he's an alcoholic does not make him unfit to return to society. BEING A COLD BLOODED KILLER DOES! My question is, as reported by ewn and 5fm and ofm et al. If he does have prior gun-related convictions, why does he still carry? and I answer. The mafia all carry even if they have previous gun related convictions...

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  • Monica - 2011-05-09 18:01

    What is an unstable cop doing in the police force. Or did he just become unstable after he shot the WHITE WOMAN?

  • d.j.brits - 2011-05-14 23:45

    Mental is just an excuse to get him off the hook, we don't have a competent police force in this country, "to protect and serve" is the motto, crap cause all they do is shoot innocent civilians, and it was not an accident in the line of fire it was "COLD BLOODED MURDER" Something foreigners should seriously take into account before visiting this country is that our police services shoot innocent civilians dead rather than criminals............ I have no faith in the SAPS don't trust them and never will.

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