NUM lashes out at stoning 'hooligans'

2012-10-19 18:18

Johannesburg - NUM officials and Cosatu general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi were pelted with stones by some protesters at AngloGold Ashanti's mine near Orkney on Friday, a union official said.

"These hooligans threw stones at us," National Union of Mineworkers regional co-ordinator Madoda Sambatha said.

Sambatha said earlier on Friday their entourage had travelled to two other mines. At Kopanong workers told them they were going back to work on Monday and at the other, Vaal reefs number eight, they said they would not. Both meetings were peaceful.

"We [then] went to Vaal reefs Moab Khotsong and were told that before we arrived, this woman from the Socialist Democratic Movement had already addressed those workers, and said they must not listen to the general secretary of Cosatu."

However, they went ahead and spoke to them. They left their cars and walked in on foot. As they approached they saw two groups - a NUM group waiting for Vavi, and a second group "who are the permanent disrupters", said Sambatha.

"We were on foot. As we were advancing, these hooligans threw stones at us. We retreated."

They drove back to the union's regional offices.

"We are okay. The car was not damaged," he said.

Shortly before that, Liv Shange, a leader of the Socialist Democratic Movement, which had been lobbying for striking miners, sent out a BBM to her media contacts saying she had been taken in by police and that workers were being intimidated.

She later told Sapa by cellphone that police and mine security took her and some of her colleagues into an office on the mine and questioned them. She was told charges against her could include high treason and that she could face possible deportation.

Shange is from Sweden and married to a South African.

"I was the first to be interrogated and let go," she said.

She said she was told she was out to destabilise the situation and that there were limits to freedom of expression.

She was not hurt, and when she was speaking to Sapa she said she was free.


AngloGold Ashanti spokesperson Alan Fine said Shange had entered the mine premises without going through access control. She was then permitted to go to hostels and make speeches.

"After she had finished she was asked if she would accompany mine security to a temporary police office on the mine," he said.

Once in there, AngloGold Ashanti's security withdrew, according to their procedure.

North West police spokesperson Brigadier Thulani Ngubane said because she had been addressing people and "instigating workers not to go back" at different shafts, police needed to understand who she was and her reasons for doing so.

"She must apply for meetings in future if she wants to address mine workers."

Vavi did not need to do so, because he would have had an arrangement with the mine, and was already known among NUM members there.

"He is Cosatu. He has got everything to do with the workers. The instigating element of what she is saying is what we as police are interested in. We are a peace-keeping force."

For the same reason expelled ANCYL leader Julius Malema was removed from the platinum belt a few weeks ago when he had hoped to address workers, Ngubane said.

He said they had been told one car had been stoned, although they did not know whose it was yet.

Meanwhile, after a lengthy strike, Gold Fields reported normal attendance at its Beatrix one, two, three, and four shafts, as well as KDC West. There were signs that workers would start returning at KDC East.

Workers were still on strike though at Harmony's Kusasalethu mine.

NUM spokesperson Lesiba Seshoka said this week's developments were "encouraging". He hoped things would start improving soon in the platinum sector.

  • Cameron - 2012-10-19 18:20

    So now they have something to say......

      frank.vankaapstad - 2012-10-19 18:26

      It's okay to stone the police and the so called "imperialists", but not okay to stone union officials? You idiots incite violence every time you make a speech talking about revolution, war and spilling blood for economic freedom. You plant those seeds in people's minds all the time and now suddenly you are surprised the violence has turned against you?

      lownabester - 2012-10-19 18:41

      Those hooligans pay for your lavish lifestyles, NUM and Vavi.

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-10-19 19:00

      Please NUM-you are a bunch of jokers! When you are targeted then you are upset,however when your comrades are busy destroying other peoples property,threatening and wielding pangas and preventing people who WANT to work from doing so-then you open your mouths and shpuit foul??????? You all need a serious reality check!

      albert.m.burger - 2012-10-19 19:16

      This is the coolest story today... Hey NUM duck! In Coming bitches!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-19 19:21

      So funny that these union thugs don't like what their thug members are doing to them but their behaviour is quite acceptable to the 'capitalists'. What a laugh. Karma is a biaaatch!

      matt.jarvis.77312477 - 2012-10-19 19:38

      No,no NUM you're the "hooligans" along with Jacob Zuma,the ANC,ANCYL,SACP and all the rest of it that's ripping people off.All that Foreign Investment that came into South Africa since 1994 which was meant to be used for local people have gone in the pockets of cadres and those well-connected with the ANC that lives in a parallel universe to everyone else.Black and White regardless of who they are that benefited themselves through underhanded & sordid deals made over the years are the real hooligans and criminals of South Africa.Don't try and make the striking miners the scapegoats of everything that is wrong in our country. Enough of it cause people are just fed up with all your K^K that you do.

      faizieishlah.shabalala - 2012-10-19 19:41

      Thank God the car was OK.

      sani.ghana.3 - 2012-10-19 20:08

      I agree these people are hooligans, does not matter if it was vavi or madam we can no longer behave in this manner. President Zuma lashed out at the people complaining but these things are getting too much and we can not live like this

      louis.olivier.988 - 2012-10-20 12:29

      Vavi, it just a taste of your own medicine, now you know what it’s like to be on the receiving end of your thugs, the fear and financial loss and damage to property. Vavi you are nothing but a Sh.t stirrer and communist coward. Today the labourers didn’t cower. They are also gatvol of you close relationship with Zuma and the anc circus

  • Dries - 2012-10-19 18:21

    Hehehe, You created this NUM. Take it like a man.

      godfrey.welman - 2012-10-19 18:31

      A preamble of what is awaiting the ANC, your own turning on you.

      art5SA - 2012-10-19 20:15

      Yep... the "SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT"... COSATU TAUGHT the mine "WEKKA'S" how to be savages... Bummer when they turn against!

  • SharonE - 2012-10-19 18:28

    "These hooligans threw stones at us" hahahahaha should read "Our members threw stones at us" Nex time go in a taxi - maybe it was the expensive car that made "these hooligans" see red!

      art5SA - 2012-10-19 20:18

      Did they not pull the exact same move when the DA marched to their offices? He did NOT refer to them as HOLIGANS back then.... "They were defending COSATU..." LOL!

  • sello.r.molefe - 2012-10-19 18:31

    Hehehe u shud have put ur head out of that xpensive German machine nd yell hooligans.. I bet ul have met ur creator

  • Brian Dorning - 2012-10-19 18:33

    Hooligans? hahaha! you morons! you encouraged it, now you are receiving it...and now you are complaining? hahaha

  • lacrimose.wolf - 2012-10-19 18:37

    Gee, a big voice now it affects you directly. I thought people had the right to protest with 'traditional weapons'. Starting to realise those castles were built on sand?

  • - 2012-10-19 18:45

    hahahahahhahhahahhahah hahhahahahhahhahahhahha... Jungle justice BHAHAHAhhahhahhahhahaha

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-19 19:23

      Funny how they're hard done by miners and viva viva viva and down with capitalism but when they're turned on, they suddenly become 'hooligans'. Why did the strikers status change?

      keith.f.murphy - 2012-10-19 19:51

      Its no longer Viva viva its now vavi vavi die stink hol avi

  • Notrax123 - 2012-10-19 18:49

    Liv Shange - inciting anarchy....... read the "Socialist Democratic Movement" page at: A international movement for "World Revolt" - For a socialist South Africa, a socialist Africa and socialist world.

      jacqui.c.baumgardt - 2012-10-19 19:18

      She needs to be deported. How dare she!

      fred.warren.986 - 2012-10-19 19:31

      Liv should be careful....those workers are like animals. They will rape her if they get the slightest chance.

  • werner.niksch - 2012-10-19 18:52

    now their hooligans....?

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-19 19:24

      Yip, their status changes depending on who's being attacked.

  • civil.moabi - 2012-10-19 18:52

    how can Vavi go there with NUM he knows that workers no longer wants anything to do with NUM

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-10-19 18:59

    Ha Ha the hooligans are turning against their leaders. Bring it on. Bring it on.

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-10-19 19:03

    it really irks when the shoe is on the other foot.

  • fanie.essgee - 2012-10-19 19:05

    I just love it, bet you were scared brainless, oh no, that cannot happen as you do not have a brain, bet you were very scared, you have condoned the stone throwing up to now, live with it....... hahahahahahahaha.... I just love it....

  • Richard - 2012-10-19 19:06

    Hmmmm, Now they know what it feels like to have to run for your life. Not so good is it, when you are on the recieving end instead of giving the instructios to terrorise innocent people.

  • peter.mansfield.395 - 2012-10-19 19:15

    A small taste of their own medicine. Will they now speak out against their own members / strikers who kill, burn and disrupt?

  • leslie.wynne.3 - 2012-10-19 19:16

    Hey was my comment removed???

      art5SA - 2012-10-20 12:42

      Coz u told the truth... LOL!!

  • brian.bagnall.54 - 2012-10-19 19:16

    You sound supprised and refere to the workers as hooligans. Just remember it was people like you that introduced this type of hooligasium. Stop fooling around and get down to ground work. Any way you have enough money to buy another new car.

  • john.cryink - 2012-10-19 19:16

    NUM how many houses did you burn poeple killed workers beaten up remember back in the nineteen eighties. What comes around goes around

  • teboho.martin.3 - 2012-10-19 19:17

    How can vavi tell worker to go back to work!I don't understand todays unions, they buy shares in the same mining companies they representing worker at!so it means when workers are on strike no profit for the union huh! I hate unoins.i rather stay on my own because i got a nerve to do so,than unions

  • smalefane - 2012-10-19 19:17

    We now have another Malema in Liv Shange. Opportunists!!!

  • fanie.gerber1972 - 2012-10-19 19:18

    You made the monster - now grow a pair and take it like a man

  • chule.qalase - 2012-10-19 19:20

    Wow, the very people that keep NUM running are now called hooligans?? Hayi it's tough!!!

  • josias.smith.7 - 2012-10-19 19:22

    Thee people as not only destroying SA but at the same time achieving fair opportunity for Helen Zille to step in as rightful president and fix things the way it should beam long time ago! Enough of poor Africans just always voting for the party who saved them, Mandela is in retirement! Wake up and smell the weeds! Time for change and fair government we as South Africans have so much potential regardless of our history. Do the right thing and kick the ANC out. It will change our country for the better.

      siphokamntimande.ngwenya - 2012-10-19 19:39

      That dream will take 100 yrs to come true

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-19 21:32

      @siphokamntimande ~ So are you saying it'll take 100 years for blacks to use their brains?

  • gieljam.gomtor - 2012-10-19 19:24

    The chickens have come home to roost.

  • john.cryink - 2012-10-19 19:24

    hey vavi was there 79? trucks by one of your affiliated unions burned you never said a word. How does it feel to be on the receiving side. Think about all the trouble you caused.

  • john.thelps - 2012-10-19 19:26

    Have some of your own medicine!!! Nice to give not so nice to be on the receiving end!!

  • mshiniboys - 2012-10-19 19:29

    Vavi has run out of time in the workers' world because the 'revolution' he speaks about seems to take forever.people are all becoming educated and that means an end to fairytales and political love stories.I wonder what car was he driving chosen from his large fleet.

  • pierre.nortje.581 - 2012-10-19 19:29

    Vavi probably threw stones himself a few years back - now the idiotic stooge blame the same on his hard working friends - he must really be hating his glass cage ...

  • hendrikvs - 2012-10-19 19:30

    Mooi so! Time to get some of your own medicine!

  • phillip.marchant.52 - 2012-10-19 19:38

    Honestly, the audacity of it all! Don't these 'hooligans' know they're only allowed to throw rocks at DA protesters and spill the blood of sell-out journalists favourable to their cause, and attack innocent bystanders with tazer-guns, for effect? Surely they know who their enemy is? After all your time and effort spent trying to nurture these ungrateful benefactors of your kind and caring benevolence into worthy stompers of the cars of citizens in the street, smashing shop windows and looting the property of those unconnected to any cause, Father Vavi, is this what you get in return? How dare they show you such disrespect, just because you take a bit too much money from them? Where is their loyalty? Do they not know that the money you skim off their pay packets every week is to prevent a return to Apartheid? And besides, in these tough times, you must be down to your last R50mil, at least...

  • thato.seloane - 2012-10-19 19:39

    Zumba should be next,

      liveby.thesword.1 - 2012-10-20 00:27

      But the protesters should go to nkhandla then he(and various politicians) should start to understand the complications of their actions....

  • charl.deswardt - 2012-10-19 19:47

    Good. Now they have an idea what it's like when protesters damage or destroy your property and it is called their constitutional rite to do so. It is also the same hooligans that Cosatu gave free reigns to do what they want to do during strikes.Now they got their own medicine back. Well done to the so called hooligans.

  • peter.mokoena.31 - 2012-10-19 19:47

    You reap what you saw. They should know better

  • leko.dada1 - 2012-10-19 19:48

    it seems NUM/COSATU/ANC find it hard to accept reality, atleast this time they not talking about witchcraft

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-10-19 19:50

      Well, not yet...

  • njdejager - 2012-10-19 19:53

    Some of your own medicine from your so called " followers" nice feeling isnt it?

  • mkhuseli.njamela - 2012-10-19 19:53

    Don't call them hooligans call them ur former members

  • motlatjo.wamamanyoha - 2012-10-19 19:56

    LKK! you allowed them to hold weapons and threaten the police but when they turn the tables on you it's hooligans? What comes around goes around. Ayeye Boss Vavi\r\nShapa Mine worker shapaaa!

  • rouen.heiberg - 2012-10-19 19:59

    Well, seeing as hooliganism and barbarism has been encouraged by the ANC and its chronies for decades, not so nice when you're on the receiving end.......GET SOME!!!

  • rasthami.m1 - 2012-10-19 20:00

    Unions should be disbanded -people should choose who should represent them if they feel like malema should represent them in all negotiations let it be after all its democracy

  • sandor.l.varga - 2012-10-19 20:06

    Stupid Swedish biiitch, kick her out of SA with another 10 000 000 shiiit stirrer comrades. Go to Sweden and make shiiit there.

  • anele.mveku - 2012-10-19 20:11

    Am nt promoting their violent act but calling them Hooligans? That is undermining.

  • amanda.matthews.14811 - 2012-10-19 20:13

    Have you got it Government! This is wake up call to disengage from the tripartite agreement - namely the UNIONS who are causing the STRIKES and destroying the Economy of the Country. Helen Zille has been begging for a Youth Development Fund but your Unions wont allow it!!!

  • deepchund.ramchurren - 2012-10-19 20:13

    Double standards displayed by the police, no wonder there is no respect for the cops. As usual, big business tells the government what to do, so much for democracy.

  • Bantu Holomisa - 2012-10-19 20:14

    The mine workers should demand that government should establish an inquiry to investigate their monthly salary deductions such as provident funds and other monies which NUM investment arms have accumulated dividends over the years. Have the workers benefited from those declared dividends . Can for instance Old Mutual tell us what are they planing to do with the R21bn Provident Fund obtained from the mine workers .

      phillip.marchant.52 - 2012-10-19 20:49

      Indeed, Mr Minister, and can Bra Cyril, the majority shareholder of Lonmin Platinum, tell us why he sees fit to skim off all of two thirds of Lonmin workers (all recruited through his other company 'Xstrata' - oops, doesn't this make him a... no, surely not - I just can't get the words out, so I'll spell it - L*A*B*O*U*R B*R*O*K*E*R? Heaven forbid!) salaries every month? All the while we were thinking that the miners were being a little unreasonable, but precisely all they were asking for was their rightful majority cut of their monthly R12½K the mine was giving intrepid entrepreneur Ramaphosa to pay over to them for their labours. Instead they see only a paltry R4,5K! We now know that the figure of R12,5K was no thumb-suck! But I guess the good Bra's backers in Lithuli House need to be rewarded for handing over taxpayer monies to him to buy the mine, in the first place. No wonder the big guns (excuse the pun)came out so quickly. Strike all you like, but not when it comes to 'comrade money' is the rule, I guess...

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-10-19 21:27

      Mr Marchant, Cyril Ramaphosa is a small minority shareholder in Lonmin via another corporate entity, so get your facts right failing which your scribbles will be viewed with contempt. Similarly get the facts right on salaries, their low take home pay is due in part to garnishee orders obtained by their creditors.

  • Gatvol Griet - 2012-10-19 20:17

    This is truly precious! Now that Vavi is at the receiving end, he calls them hooligans, a while ago it was justifiable anger of exploited workers!

  • chirnsidep - 2012-10-19 20:38

    Ha ha ha, so now they are hooligans but when they burn trucks, stone civilian cars and murder the innocent, they get the benefit of the doubt and all your support. When you rev them up with words of violence it's fine but when someone else offers them a point of view contrary to your own, they are charged with treason. All you greedy, lying, corrupt HOOLIGANS, in government may as well brace yourself because the people of this country are not the idiots you think we are.

  • husaberg.twostroke - 2012-10-19 20:54

    Funny how these leaders only realize now that some of these mine workers are and act like hooligans.

  • goodguy.buthelezi - 2012-10-19 20:58

    @Bantu Holomisa:- Good point that you are making. I think that the Gvmnt should relook this whole things of Trust Fund companies, Trustees and Principal Officers Business. Trust Fund companies have Billions of Rands under management worth of unclaimed benefits. For example, if a late member leaves benefits for his or her beneficiaries but unclaimed, Trustees, Principal officers, investment company, employers where the late person used to work and Tracing companies do little effort in Tracing the beneficiaries. Instead, they keep making billions worth of interest earned from the capital introduced.

  • FinalJustice - 2012-10-19 21:04

    So, if your own hooligans become hooligans it's fine? But when the hooligans from other hooligated unions start hooligating against your hooligans, you can call them hooligans as well?

  • sihlangu.hokweni - 2012-10-19 21:14

    You reap what you've sewn.When the UNIONS taught the workers:\PHANSI NGO MCHASHI,PHANSI!\ Little did they realise that that was gonna be changed to:\PHANSI NGE NUM,PHANSI!PHAAAAAANSI!