New plane for Zuma

2011-11-05 22:30

Johannesburg - The State is to spend R1.6bn on two new long-range jets for President Jacob Zuma and Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe, the Sunday Times reported.

The newspaper reported that this was after technical problems on VIP flights had put their lives in danger.

The department of defence confirmed that a tender was out for the purchase of two new business jets for the exclusive used of Zuma and Motlanthe.

Defence spokesperson  Ndivhuwo Mabaya said as a lead department in the purchase process, defence was weighing several options including whether to lease the aircraft or to buy them outright.

  • Pulverturm - 2011-11-05 22:40

    WTF, didn't we buy MBeki a 737-800 not that long ago??

      Vusi - 2011-11-05 22:47

      Yes ask that Pulverturm, I forgot about that one.

      John - 2011-11-05 22:52

      Exactly - Mbeki got a new plane after his presidential plane arrived in Haiti too late to save his genocidal buddy Aristides. He sent bullet proof vests and other police equipment to get around the blockade of military material. No To Extravaganzas! Fly commercial airlines, Motlanthe, YOU COST SOUTH AFRICA 1 MILLION JOBS!

      rowen.loretz - 2011-11-06 00:46

      WTF...why can't they just fly with SAA???

      craigtjames - 2011-11-06 02:34

      21 billion irregular spending by government, 1.6 b on jets (by government), upgrades of 400 million upgrades to official residences, (iow government houses) questionable leases of 100 of millions (government involvement) and please allow this government to handle the affairs of nationalised mines and other institutions. And we struggle to apply our right to get information on how our tax money is being spent. Why the hell are people still paying tax????

      Dirk - 2011-11-06 04:38

      Like ravenous hyhenas they continue to plunder the fiscus. How long can this continue? At most, 6 years before we will witness yet again the collapse of another failed African state.

      Winsome - 2011-11-06 09:39

      Maybe Mbeki got it as part of his parting "package"? Where is that plane anyway? Is that the one that has to have a 2 month service?

      John - 2011-11-06 11:32

      Why don't the Somali pirates kidnap Zuma and Motlanthe?

      John - 2011-11-06 11:45

      Gaanake: We are living in blah blah blah - talk talk talk land. But we are on our way to the National Democratic Revolution, as explained in writing by John Kane-Berman, in " ‘Baffling’ developments fit the ANC’s long-term game plan " published 12.09.2011. Like Zuma, Motlanthe has a record of what he has said and done. And often these revolutionary comrades tsotsis shrink their responsibility for destroying the country. I remember what Motlanthe said and did at the G20 of 2008. IT COST SOUTH AFRICA 1 MILLION JOBS! Mostly black formal jobs! Not selling potato at the corners! I have already seen Samora Machel destroy Mozambique, Mugabe destroy Zimbabwe, Mario Soares destroying Portugal, Zapatero destroying Spain, I do not have to keep quiet in what is a TIME OF CRISIS in South Africa.

      allan.clean - 2011-11-06 14:02

      Dont Forget to add the 170 million to his residance for the upgrade, and the money used in his home vilage as well. Nice one Showerhead. Good Herd Boy

      Sheda - 2011-11-06 18:36

      We have to put it in context. IS ZUMA WORTH 1,6 bil. --- I THINK NOT. Let them fly like the rest of us. If the plane crashes put someone else in charge. That way we build 16000 houses for the poor. Maybe one of the poor could even get his job. Very few people (Malema and his crew excluded) could do a worse job.

      Herman - 2011-11-06 23:04

      I saw the head line in a PnP and mentioned to the counter hand that R1.6 BILLION could have built 32000 RDP houses, "yes", she replies, "the ANC knows how to waste money that could have helped the poor..."

      Wayne - 2011-11-07 09:57


      Ax - 2011-11-07 14:57

      pay your taxes and fill your tax returns like good sheeps, it's the right thing to do they say....

      Boeretroos - 2011-11-07 17:30

      Just heard this on sabc news - Mbeki is to pilot Zuma's plane,Sisulu is the chief steward and Zille is airhostess. Julius is the 2nd officer and Tutu is navigator,Trevor is the journeyman plane mechanic. Good riddance to all.

  • spartan888 - 2011-11-05 22:41

    Disgusting waste of money

      Anthony - 2011-11-06 08:34

      Have we all forgotten how many wifes she has??? I also want go on summer holiday

      Marina - 2011-11-06 09:09

      You are so right, spartan. I just spent time helping an NGO fill food packets for destitute children, in South Africa. They have stepped in to help feed these children because the government claims that they don't have enough money for the various feeding schemes around the country - R1.6 billion would fill a lot of bellies! It makes my blood boil that they are willing to let the children starve just so that they can fly around in some fancy jets - it is disgusting.

      joeballito - 2011-11-06 11:41

      These uneducated clowns has not the foggiest idea of how much R1.6 Billion is.They cannot even count the zoro's.

      Guy - 2011-11-07 19:12 Atleast there is one option for SA, if only their voice was heard more often, and the masses actually realised that they have been taken for a ride by their "comrades". But I suppose that if you do not educate your people, what you end up with is a bunch of sheep, sheep that are easily manipulated with gifts of food, t-shirts and empty promises of a "brighter future". Are we going to be the generation that witnesses the fall of SA due to the mismanagement of OUR funds? We the people need, no, we deserve better governance from the smallest dorpie to the most powerful cities in Africa. SA is a treasure, one that we should cherish, and not allow a bunch of self-serving wannabe politicians to rape and pillage as they see fit. Have a look at the link if you want to get a basic idea of how much money, we get taxed for, has been wasted by our "leaders". Mandela was our last true president, and I feel it will be a long time till we see another statesman that comes even close.

  • Vusi - 2011-11-05 22:42

    Please Defence Minister, just make sure the one Jet has enough wide seats for Hugh Heffner-Zuma's wives and his 20 kids. R1.6 Billion? Will they have gold plated toilets? Why can't they do with Lear jets? Why 2? Surely they shouldn't both be jet setting at once? Who governs us while they both abroad at some useless conference? Malema? The insane spending has gone ballistic!!!!!!

      Right - 2011-11-05 23:04

      I am with Vusi on this one. Buy one Lear-Jet or Bombardier Global Express for flying into any destination in Africa. All other flights to and between Western Countries should be Commercial Airlines. Hey Malema! If you march against this expenditure of R1,6billion on two planes you will get alot more support for your march.

      Sterling - 2011-11-06 00:32

      The B787 is the plane to buy and it doesn't cost a lot of money for fuel.

      Engela - 2011-11-06 07:39

      i like you Vusi you talk a lot of sense, you are not a sheep following blindly what crap the leaders feed you, hope you can convince more people to your way of thinking!

      Frikkie - 2011-11-06 10:18

      I would love to see the pilot's face when he discovers a SAM6 on that boeing's ass. I would too.

      boatmedic - 2011-11-06 15:01

      Hey Vusi...... Suppose the R1.6 bil is for gold plated roof racks as well...

  • Greg - 2011-11-05 22:43

    What is in the pot at the end of the ANC government rainbow? Lots and lots of tax money.

      Vusi - 2011-11-05 22:50

      Greg start wondering who is getting the tender to buy the jets????? Someone will be getting a 3rd Jet for free!!!!

      Greg - 2011-11-05 23:04

      @Vusi. You’re right, as the ripple effect of this transaction will include more than just the two jets.

      Johnny - 2011-11-06 10:56

      only by having "projects" can money be moves and syphoned off. Why do you think did they have the world cup, the arms deal, the gautrain and and and..? Someone is lining his pocket again.

      Vuyo - 2011-11-07 10:07

      You are absolutely spot on Vusi. They are buying two jets and there will be no discount on the price because the discount is going straight into personal pockets. That is the way it works in all dealings with government. Sad, very sad.

  • Natasha - 2011-11-05 22:50

    What is wrong with a normal plane???

      Greg - 2011-11-05 23:14

      Normal planes only have business class; that’s not safe enough, good enough and expensive enough. Oh, and the food sucks.

      craigtjames - 2011-11-06 02:53

      They are leaving.....on their jet planes........don't think that they'll be back again..........(hmmmm there is a song in there somewhere)

      Margi - 2011-11-06 09:33

      The royal family in Britain use their local carriers...But then they do not have myriad wives, girlfriends, kids, and other sycophant hangers on! The frustrating part is that as themajor tax payers in this country we can do very littke to stop this rape! (but then he is good at that hey?

      Anthony - 2011-11-06 09:35

      Hope they buy one of those USSR planes you know the ones that fall out the sky all the time.

  • E - 2011-11-05 22:50

    I dont believe this!!! We bought a new Boeing Business Jet - the top one - the other day for his predecessor Mbeki. Did he or did this lot mess it up??? Those things last for decades . Ask any airline. What a lot of spendthrifts. How do we - the tax payers - stop this from happening?????

      kevin.grinaker - 2011-11-06 13:08

      E. Too slow. The Boeing 737 Business Jet only cruises at Mach 0.79, where as an Airbus A310, A330 etc can cruise at Mach 0,82. A 747-400 is even faster at Mach 0.86. And the 737 BJ is too cheap for them. Where is Malema's one? They forgot about him. Oh damn, here comes another march. Pity I retired from flying, I could have applied for the captains job and asked for only R1 million a month (tax free). Cheap at the price considering these expenses. Oops, gotta go, the gravy is dripping. Got to catch it before its all wasted.

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  • En - 2011-11-05 23:02

    "defence was weighing several options including whether to lease the aircraft or to buy them outright"... And yet News24/The Times already knows that it will cost R1.6bn? Interesting. Guess the journos always have to add a little spice, else no one is interested. Defence force reporting in SA is pretty much useless to say the least. When the DoD denies that it will cost R1.6bn, people will automatically say "it's a cover up". Same way in which it was reported that the Airbus A400 cargo planes would cost over R50bn, when Airbus themselves deny this.

  • Jonathon - 2011-11-05 23:14

    Hmmm R1.6bn. Yet poverty can't be solved for some odd reason. I wonder why... Stinkin fat cats waisting our money.

      Greg - 2011-11-05 23:26

      Yep, they can't even lay a pipe for clean water to a rural area, or build a decent RDP house, but they can fly high. They can be glad there are no potholes in the sky.

      Vusi - 2011-11-05 23:45

      LOL LOL Greg. That was funny. We should pray for a lot of air pockets in the sky for them so they can feel what us poor people go through everyday on our roads.

      Jonathon - 2011-11-06 11:39

      @ Vusi- Amen brother hahaha!!

  • bulelani.mfacokamsimango - 2011-11-05 23:20

    All because the fool is entitled to it, now what have they done to be worth R800 million each?

  • Koketso - 2011-11-05 23:21

    where's the BBJ Mbeki bought?

  • Burtfred - 2011-11-05 23:24

    Hey JZ, Why don't you go down to Weilers Farm or Finetown or any one of the hundreds of squatter camps where people are condemned to live in shacks and ask those good folks if they think it is a good idea for you to spend all that money on your personal aircraft? You can't safely visit any of those "human settlements" if you are not surrounded by dozens of your goons with the blue lights and the fancy 4X4's. I've seen this with my own eyes. They would slit your throat. Remember Mubarak, Gadaffi, Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, Assad, Ceausescu, Mussolini - they all behaved like your regime are doing.

      Jan - 2011-11-06 00:20

      The only problem is that it is not their tax money that is being wasted on these planes for Zuma & Co. Zuma & Co regards this as their right and this should stop rather sooner than later. When are these MORONS ever going to realise that their "people" should be foremost in their minds and personal luxury!!!!

  • adrien.mcguire - 2011-11-05 23:25

    This needs to be stopped now before it is too late. It is totally unnecessay and as many people have pointed out,a plane was bought for his predecessor, what has happened to this plane. We have so many more pressing needs in this country before these idiots spend our tax money on planes. It is not just the cost of the planes but 5 or 6 full crew teams,the maintenance , insurance etc etc. Further to this they will be abused for personal use , and they will hide behind the "hand book" which will be written to allow them to use it to transport the Zuma harem on shopping trips around the world. IT MUST BE STOPPED NOW

      pws69 - 2011-11-06 11:13

      During the last elections, Zuma and Motlanthe used official jets more than a dozen times for PRIVATE purposes. Then we had that b!tch who clocked up over R500,000 flying to Dubai to go shopping. Her excuse? Look at cranes. Like we don't have any here. They have no morals or decency. I blame their brain dead voters though.

  • Ian - 2011-11-05 23:27

    Why don't they work like the UK. When David Camrone needs to go anywhere he flies British Airways...? Zuma you are a Joke. The ANC Another New Cockup... If they lease who is going to get the backhand deal for this one???

      Sue - 2011-11-06 08:01

      In agree Ian, he can use the new taxi airline.

  • chris.heyde1 - 2011-11-05 23:36

    $^&($ the Mercs and BMW's! We are now all into billion rand planes! Who can stop us? The poor? Hah! Why buy a new one? Because the almost new one has to go in for its first service. And that is something we don't know what it means, do we? Service? Eh...

  • Ross - 2011-11-05 23:45

    i wonder how many schools that would build ?

      Vusi - 2011-11-05 23:58

      Now you have touched the nerve to get me going Ross!!!!!!!!!! Yes ask that question. It is scandalous what is going on in the government schools. I get the nastiest messages on Facebook because my father said he refuses to school us kids in government schools, but the truth is, as long as they keep us uneducated, we dwell in shacks and say nothing about the poor governance of this country. We have become Zimbabwe in less than 17 years!

      joy.termorshuizen - 2011-11-07 14:32

      Vusi for President!

  • Mantsho - 2011-11-05 23:47

    l just feel sorry for the poor people who are still waiting for service delivery,especial those who need houses.

  • @RossWZA - 2011-11-05 23:51


      Vusi - 2011-11-06 00:10

      Are you sure @Ross this would be big enough? You know there are many wives and lots of kids and when they go shopping in Hong Kong with Queen Grace and her Husband, there will lots of Gucci to bring back. This is so sick! I am not campaigning for the tax payers money to be spent on free RDP houses, but the fact that our own services, stuff like sanitation is non-existent in most informal settlements, the basics are not dealt with, freaks me out when I read about their scandalous spending.

  • Debbie - 2011-11-05 23:59

    Oh no...what a joke! First the president's homes, now his airplanes - ah well, what can one do but watch the ANC government enjoy their short-term solution to their previously disadvantaged background. Soon, there will be no solutions...just another failed economy.

      Mya - 2011-11-06 14:47

      This is not something I would want to sit back and watch. These poor people with no sanitation, no education, no food and no hope are going to get angrier and angrier and angrier. They going to keep looking to the green grass on the other side being the white communities and they going to start focusing their desperation and rage towards them - as per the continued Malema brainwashing. Soon, they will come and start to take what they have been told they are entitled to. Soon there will be no more taxpayers and the nationalisation of the private sector will start... This is not something I would want to sit back and watch, that is not all you can do. Start planning, start organising protests, find a way to fight back and find a way to help.

  • Mauritz Koekemoer - 2011-11-06 00:13

    How many mouths can you feed with that? How many houses can you build?

      Sedick - 2011-11-06 02:04

      Almost 30 000 RDP houses.......

  • marina.poniatowska - 2011-11-06 01:28

    I wonder if Malema's trust fund will be asked to tender for this

  • Alistar - 2011-11-06 01:33

    I think you've all forgotten that JZ needs an aircraft equipped with a special shower, which of course is something that the purchased 737-800 is missing. Personally I think JZ needs to go and supplement his income by working for Pfizer, becoming their first all black spokesperson, as surely he must be making use of some little blue pill in keeping all his wives happy at his age. Then he'll have all the money he needs to buy them each their own Learjet taxi for Christmas too.

      Sedick - 2011-11-06 01:57

      He also need more rooms for all his wives, girlfriends, children and los-kinders...

      Anthony - 2011-11-06 09:58

      he does not need those pills, just look at the smile on those bodyguards faces....just wondering how many kids does she have??????

  • Lauden Kirk - 2011-11-06 01:48

    Please some body tell me if it's a human right and international law not to pay tax if you feel that your country is not providing a free open trust worthy govment that protect all there citizens? United nations? Some thing. Please somebody. Stop this

  • Alistar - 2011-11-06 02:16

    Oh, and regarding the current 737-800 not being adequate, I forgot to mention that MTOW (Maximum Take-Off Weight) is exceeded anytime his nephew Khulubuse Zuma comes on board...another reason for a bigger aircraft being totally necessary.

      Dmitri - 2011-11-06 11:58

      Actually Alistar, they needed to redo the charts as the MZFW is exceeded :)

  • jselolo - 2011-11-06 02:34

    Does he really need two as if it's pair of shoes.haai man...

  • Andrew - 2011-11-06 02:36

    What a disgrace. This is obscene.

  • mark.booysen - 2011-11-06 03:05

    I just puked in my mouth a little.!

  • barry.mcbride - 2011-11-06 03:19

    I’d prefer an article titled ‘New plan for Zuma’

  • Irene - 2011-11-06 05:19

    While the masses starve ! Presume it will be a jumbo to carry the harem and the dozens of offspring ! Shame on him !

  • Kevin - 2011-11-06 05:46

    The anc has lost it. We cannot afford the plane . We do not need the plane in our small country.Our president and deputy should realize that the taxpayer does not want them to have there own plane and would rather see tax come down. With the cost of Eskom. the NHS ,crooked arms deal ,toll roads ,daily corruption and fraud ,free schooling and houses the taxpayer is being screwed unfairly and it is time they took a stand . WE SHOULD STRIKE FOR ECONOMIC FREEDOM FROM OUR THIEVING GOVERNMENT.

  • Van - 2011-11-06 05:48

    @Dirk. Final countdown: 2016-2018

  • Kevin - 2011-11-06 06:08

    What's the bet that these will be even more lavishly fitted than the presently fitted 737 Business Jet.

  • Nic - 2011-11-06 06:18

    Wonder what they will call it...air force first wives!! It will be huge with extra space for the shopping overseas!

  • Sandra - 2011-11-06 06:22

    while our children starve, lack education and there are sufficient houses for everyone, despite promises made by politicians - the heads of State have to have new planes.... Get you priorities right!

  • Roland - 2011-11-06 06:23

    It will have to be one of those huge cargo planes to fit std3 and his fat wives and children!

  • Trevor - 2011-11-06 06:25

    Zuma, you are nothing but another African DICTATOR in the is SICK that you will spend 1.6BILLION on 2 jets when WE have a GOVERNMENT OWNED AIRLINE SAA which you won't use...I assumed you were a PATRIOT...obviously not

  • Oliver - 2011-11-06 06:37

    Dont understand people who complain about these things. It happens in every country in the world. It would be more embarassing if our presidents had to fly economic class to other countires when asking for investment. You people should try living overseas where MP's spend tax money on DucK houses and other luxury items. Stop complaining and do something useful with your lives

      Mike - 2011-11-06 07:28

      Why would it be more embarrassing?

      Mouldy - 2011-11-06 07:43

      Oliver, in 2001 the SAAF received a brand new Boeing 737 700 (ZA-RSA), there is no need to buy new planes, it's an extravegant waste of money.

      Yar - 2011-11-06 08:40

      @Oliver Screw the embarrassment. I want all politicians to fly less, work more and live like taxpayers. Is that too much to ask for. Yes I understand the item on a UK MP spending taxpayers money on a duck house. Firstly the UK MP is a laughing stock, and has had to repay the money. I think he was also booted out That never happens here. You have lost your sense of perspective. I reckon you could build a million duck houses for R1.6Bn Oliver that was a really dumb comment.

      Emil - 2011-11-06 12:01

      We can understand that a president of Arica's regional power needs a working VIP plane that can take him places on short notice.But...What is wrong with that 737 that was used for Mbeki? I'm sure if it's broken it can be fixed if the SAAF is less focused on "transformation" and more focused on retaining technical skills to properly maintain aircraft instead of spending billions on new VIP planes.Also...The Deputy President's role is a very low profile one.He can use the president's plane if it is available, he can fly with SAA, or he can simply be content with his low profile job and accept that he does not need a big, expensive plane.He can travel with a SAAF C130

  • Andrew - 2011-11-06 06:55

    Come on ... there is more space on the SAA Boeing 747 for all their friends. Convert 2 x 747's for their use ....or are they not safe to use ? All their travels? my foot ! More holidays than anything else !

  • paul.duplessis - 2011-11-06 06:56

    Let the both of them set auto-pilot due north and keep on flying till they hit the pole

  • Vic - 2011-11-06 07:12

    One plane is bad enough but two is ridiculous. They shouldn't both be out of the country at the same time, but if it is the case, then use an SAAF plane. Not their money, so who cares !

  • Peter - 2011-11-06 07:19

    The Prez just begged the G20 countries to help developing countries like the RSA....and yebo yebo, there we go and spend R1.6bil for transport for the 2 top spots !!!!

      Sedick - 2011-11-07 00:41

      This is the way of African counties.....waste, steal their tax payers money on self indulgences, and the beg the West to give money for social services....

  • Hugh - 2011-11-06 07:36

    This is just too much. If you service the aircraft correctly then you will not have a problem. We buy two aircraft to double the problems or is this another money waster. Technical problems arise from maintenance incorrect procedures. At 44 squadron we had a set of light twin engined aircraft that even the president used for local trips and the hawkers at VIP squadron. These were taken out the day before and thoughly checked to be sure that there were no technical hitches. Compared to those days it is a real shame that the standards are not being maintained.

  • markvdm - 2011-11-06 07:46

    Not understanding this. Invest R1.6B in a stable fund and get R200,000 per day. Could fly a whole lot of VIPs around in 1st class on SAA whenever they wanted and still do some good with the change.

      John - 2011-11-06 10:07

      except SAA dropped First class a few years ago under "new management" Economy and Business only. I would however be okay with SAA spending a billion rand reinstating 1st class for these two, so that they can sell the seats to normal paying passengers when not in use by the two top primates.

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  • Arthur - 2011-11-06 07:54

    We need to ask ourselves, do we need aeroplanes and revamps or do we need to create jobs and build schools and hospitals. The answer is simple, we need to create jobs and build infrastructure. Why does zuma not exercise his authority and say NO to all this extravagant expenditure. Makes you think.

  • pws69 - 2011-11-06 07:57

    This is great news! Spend the money. That is R1,6 billion less for the upliftment of ANC voters. Suffer the consequences of your voting choices, fools! Embrace that shack. You're giong to be in it a lot longer than you thought.

  • pws69 - 2011-11-06 08:11

    ANC cadres = delusions of adequacy, competence, and grandeur. ANC voters = dumb as mud Look at the DA's WC ministerial handbook for how it should be done: Flights: DA = Economy flights internally, and only business class for flights longer than 8 hours. ANC = Business class everywhere (preferrably private charter when you don't want your hand bag searched). Car rental: DA = Level D i.e. a VW Polo Vivo 1600cc ANC = Level J i.e. Mercedes Benz E class Accommodation: DA = "Accommodation and subsistence expenses should be kept as low as possible by making use of hotels that have reasonable tariffs. As a rule, five star hotels must be avoided." ANC = 4 and 5 star are a necessity.

      alansmart223 - 2011-11-06 22:54

      @Pws69..You can't and shouldn't compare the A.N.C to the D.A. Tis like comparing a drop of water to an ocean. On a scale of 1 - 10 I would rate the A.N.C. to 0,01 and the D.A. to a 9.9. Their I.q's are about the same proportion.

  • pws69 - 2011-11-06 08:16

    The purchase of these jets could pay for Charters for the next 40 years, and flying commercial, even business class, for the next 100 years. Trevor Manual talked about use being indebted as a nation because we try to live like the Kunenes, saying we must tighten our belts. But he has no problem with Zuma trying to live like the Obamas. A case of do what I say, not what I do, hey Cleva Treva?

  • Phuti - 2011-11-06 08:21

    This is fantastic because a country cannot affort the embarssment of their leaders because of air transport issues.this is super hope the DA idiots shall agree on this one.

      Owen - 2011-11-06 08:44

      why not just employ some decent mechanices to make sure the existing planes can fly? Without good mechanics the new ones will also not fly for long. Notice we have planes - they just don't work properly. So the problem is not should the executive of the country have planes, that is already a given. We just need to keep the planes maintained and running and buying new ones don't solve the actual problem. The problem is that the airforce cannot maintain the planes due to a lack of good mechanics. So spend less money and hire good mechanics.

      Yar - 2011-11-06 08:55

      @Owen Sorry the good aircraft tecnicians have all been sidelined to make way for ANC BEE cadres. All our good technicians are working in Dubai or Hong Kong. The cadres can't be trusted to properly maintain an anvil without breaking it. They will break the new planes as well. In 2013 we will have to buy 7 new ones. Cost - unimaginable.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2011-11-06 09:48

      ?? ... Phuti, with mindsets like yours around no wonder there are still so many people living in squatter camps. Or did I just miss you tongue in cheek humour?

  • kev47 - 2011-11-06 08:25

    Obama's will still be bigger.

      Yar - 2011-11-06 08:58

      Mrs Obama says our president's is the biggest she has ever seen.

      Yar - 2011-11-06 09:50

      But maybe she is just saying that to be kind to Mrs Zuma, Mrs Zuma, Mrs Zuma, Mrs Zuma and the future Mrs Zuma.