Nkandla improvements will remain - govt

2012-11-26 10:37

Johannesburg - Improvements made to President Jacob Zuma's Nkandla home will not be halted or removed when his term as president ends, it was reported on Monday.

State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele, responding to a question from Beeld newspaper, said while it was too early to speculate on the issue, it made no sense to remove any of the improvements at a later stage.

"The safety measures installed at (former president PW) Botha's home ... I do not believe were removed when he was no longer the leader," Cwele reportedly told the newspaper.

Cwele was asked if the amount of R250m linked to the Nkandla development was accurate.

"The minister of public works is busy with an investigation. It shouldn't take long, but it has to be thorough. Part of the investigation will look at whether proper procedures were followed, and prices are being inflated."

Meanwhile deputy health minister Gwen Ramokgopa has admitted that the private clinic being built for Zuma at Nkandla would not be accessible for the local community.

In addition to the clinic, Zuma would also have access to a 24-hour fire and emergency service.

  • Desilusionada - 2012-11-26 10:41

    Ok, but when is it ending then?.....

      bruce.williams.1044186 - 2012-11-26 10:47

      It will never end. They will carry on until they bleed the money out of every tax paying person in the country...

      PrettyUsefulArt - 2012-11-26 10:48

      Reading this makes me even more disillusioned...

      louwhan.hoffmann - 2012-11-26 10:52

      Have you seen pics of MugabeĀ“s mansion?

      michael.horton.566790 - 2012-11-26 10:52

      "The safety measures installed at (former president PW) Botha's home ... I do not believe were removed when he was no longer the leader," So Cwele... Because the past government did illegal things, you feel it right for the current government to do the same? I thought we were moving forward??? This just shows us again that every single member of the ANC is corrupt!!! I can't wait for 2014 to see Zille in control of the messed up country!

      goeie.jaarling - 2012-11-26 10:57

      Never, even if Zuma publicly takes a p!ss on his poor followers, they will still vote for him and the is just the nature of the African mind.

      gerhard.muller.988 - 2012-11-26 11:02

      Every time I read how we as tax payers are getting milked, I think back to the advert that is on TV, where the couple gets rescued from the floods and she thanks the taxpayers becuase R1 out of every R10 we contribute goes to safety and security. Maybe it is time for a "Nandos" version where it tells us how many Rands out of the R10 we contribute goes to corruption and fraud. I think it would be about R4 or R5.

      daniel.jacobs.3766 - 2012-11-26 11:10

      @ Desilusionada - OK?? Nothing about this saga is OK

      piet.motsoeneng - 2012-11-26 11:19

      The way ANC/Government uses apartheid and race as an excuse for corruption makes me sick to my stomach. So, what apartheid government did gives them a right to do anything? If they want to do anything they can do it but not with our tax money. Seems being in government is one of the most lucrative businesses in SA. This is sick.

      jeremy.thewasp - 2012-11-26 11:24

      Okay then Siyabonga... So when ANC voters finaly see through Zuma's lies does that mean Helen Zille can move into Nkandla in 2014 when she takes over and starts cleaning up the mess this useless rubbish corrupt Govt left behind?

      Thandeka2Luv - 2012-11-26 11:29

      This news site is not a retirement village!!

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-11-26 11:36

      ok, and this chop Cwele acknowledges that there are improvements made...

      pieter.calitz - 2012-11-26 12:01

      So, do I understand it correctly? Does it work in 2x4 years cycles De Klerk received R 1 million extensions Mandela received R 1 million extensions The next 2 presidents receive 250x that which is Zuma received R250 million extensions in his first 4 years. Zuma receives R250 million extensions in his last 4 years. The next President receives R 62 500 000 extensions for his 4 years. The next President after receives R 62 500 000 extensions for his 4 years. The next President after that receives R 15 625 000 000 SA declares bankruptcy

      narike.lintvelt.9 - 2012-11-26 12:04

      I've started a petition supporting SA's opposition parties' motion of no confidence in Pres Zuma. Please take the time to sign and share this. Thank you.

      theo.schoeman.71 - 2012-11-26 12:04

      @ michael.horton.566790 - All heads of state is entitled to additional security measures at their private homes. However I can assure you that the security measures that was put in place at PW Botha, or FW De Klerk or Mr Mbeki's or Madiba's private homes would not even amout to R2 or maybe if you realy want to strech it R5 mil. ZUMA IS TAKING THE COUNTRY FOR A RIDE !!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-26 12:25

      This truly is f**ken pathetic. Why does he need his own private clinic, and fire/emergency services? I suppose those monthly fees will be charged to the taxpayers account.

      pieter.calitz - 2012-11-26 12:33

      Oops, I forgot about MBeki... I think each President fromMBeki now on gets 250x the previous. So here it goes... MBeki received R 1 million extensions Zuma received R250 million extensions in his first 4 years. Zuma receives R 62 500 00 million extensions in his last 4 years. The next President after Zuma needs to receive R 15 625 000 000 (R 15.6 trillion rand) but that is unfortunately much more that the GDP of South Africa. SA declares bankruptcy. Sorry, South Africa, we can only enjoy a quality President like Zuma for 4 more years and then we are bankrupt.

      sarah.shabalala.9 - 2012-11-26 13:44

      Good question @Desilusionada, when will it end????

      keithpatkell - 2012-11-26 13:48

      It WILL END! I have faith in justice and the belief that it will end! When the DEMOCRATIC ALLIANCE, (an association of free-thinking, non-brainwashed, noninterventionist, liberal, unified South Africans of all ethnic groups, creeds, beliefs and religious convictions) under the ethical guidance of President Helen Zille and her skilled, erudite cabinet, governs this beloved country it will be the end of the cANCer corruption. When our great icon, Nelson Mandela's dream of a united "rainbow nation" South Africa FINALLY, after such a lengthy struggle, COMES TO will end!!! I pray that it will still happen in his time on this earth! Vote with your MIND and not your brainwashed pre-conceptions and you will ALL SEE IT END!!! Viva the DEMOCRATS!!!

      michele.holmes.1238 - 2012-11-26 15:50

      Wow - this is ANC bullying and bulldozing in its prime!

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-11-26 10:42

    Cwele, I wonder if he has visited his wife in prison yet?.

      jeremy.thewasp - 2012-11-26 11:40

      No he hasnt. he doesn't have time for that Jacqui How could that be possible if he meets with the ANC NEC for 4 hours every day to discuss how to steal more money from the coffers, lie to his voters, steal, learn how to turn a 'blind eye' to corruption, give tenders to mates, page through BMW / Merc catalogues etc He really just doesnt have the time to see his vrot wife

      dave.elmore.5 - 2012-11-26 11:43

      the KZN emergency helicopter is always available

      Thandeka2Luv - 2012-11-26 14:27

      Jacqi why are you mixing water and parafin?

  • asdhasgd - 2012-11-26 10:46

    Oh thats nice. So even after Zuma goes we'll still be paying for his boarding and lodging while his people STILL suffer in squalar :D BEST LEADER EVER!!! >:( NOT!!!

      Poloyatonki - 2012-11-26 12:00

      There is nothing you can do about it.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-26 12:31

      Poly seems like he takes pleasure in seeing government screw the nation, living in luxury while the masses live in disgusting conditions. And don't even bring up apartheid or whites, that is no excuse.

      jeremy.thewasp - 2012-11-26 12:38

      Oh dear Polio Donkey is back - he just finished building his wife a new shack, thats why he's been quiet for a while... Welcome back one of Zuma's sheep (daft twat)

  • john.turner.58760608 - 2012-11-26 10:47

    It is probably true that Groot Krokodil's security syatems were not removed when he left office, but then again his house was not a mini-town that Nkandla has become.

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-26 10:52

      You can bet your bottom $ that the threat against Krokodil was substantially higher than against Spear. Sheer numbers dictated that..........

      djmain1 - 2012-11-26 10:59

      Yep - even PW Botha was not as bad as Zuma. That doesn't say much for Zuma - Botha was a dictator. Phantsi cANCer, phantsi!

      david.questioner - 2012-11-26 12:18

      P W Botha's house was sold in 2008 (?) for R4m.

  • Rob Allen - 2012-11-26 10:48

    cANCer must carry on effing up like this it will make us a better democracy at next DA!

  • brad.ken.18 - 2012-11-26 10:49

    "Meanwhile deputy health minister Gwen Ramokgopa has admitted that the private clinic being built for Zuma at Nkandla would not be accessible for the local community". Need I say anymore. Low life scum of the earth!

      sedick.gydien - 2012-11-26 11:05

      Well, I suppose that it makes sense. Between his several current wives, girlfriends and stukkies on the side, and children, AND his future wives, girlfriends and stukkies on the side, and children, the existing clinic will be understaffed. Soon, they will have to build a general hospital for all....

      patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-11-26 11:23

      Why a clinic? Who is going to pay for the doctors and nurses and for how many years. I feel sick just thinking of this, for how many years is this going to go on.??????

      khazi.cele - 2012-11-26 18:11

      its an insult to the ordinary mostly poor people living in Nkandla to have a decent clinic and not have access to it. That is just inhumane!! Where is the spirit of UBUNTU in that? They shouts UBUNTU whenever it suits them!!!! WHERE IS UBUNTU?????????????????????

  • Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-11-26 10:50

    This will be easily transferred to become a luxury Safari Resort earning revenues from lucrative Celebrity Tourism OR even turned into an educational institute BUT WILL NOT REMAIN ZUMA'S after the fallout is aired openly and the lies bring about his demise.

  • brad.herbert.522 - 2012-11-26 10:51

    I hope his followers, votes and supporters suffer in poverty for eternity. they deserve it

      goeie.jaarling - 2012-11-26 11:16

      You can rest assured, the process of evolution already provided for that.

  • felix.tam.92 - 2012-11-26 10:52

    "The safety measures installed at (former president PW) Botha's home ... I do not believe were removed when he was no longer the leader," Cwele reportedly told the newspaper. End Quote. Two things: First, just because Botha had a precedence does not make it right. And secondly, I love how they always talk about the bad old days of apartheid (and it was indeed bad). But then they'll in the same breath draw parallels with apartheid leaders when it suits them. Oh the irony!

      brad.ken.18 - 2012-11-26 10:57

      Mmmm, big difference between R5 M, and R250 M. What a troll comment to make Cwele. But then again, nothing less can be expected!

  • Donkervlie - 2012-11-26 10:52

    Pw Botha,s house was sold for a price which was about average for that area in the wilderness. As for the security a policeman is not considered to be high tech security. there was also no clinic or fire engine in the area. Why Zuma has to return to the bush is strange.But then I suppose whats that saying about taking the bush out of countrymen.

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-11-26 10:53

    Thats fine with us. We will auction it off in any case one Jakob goes to jail which is inevitable as every dog gets his day.

      sedick.gydien - 2012-11-26 11:08

      You won't get a fraction of the cost back.....who will want to stay out there in the bush, and pay R250m for something that probably only costs 10c on the Rand.....

  • justindeklerk - 2012-11-26 10:53

    I'll be amazed if anybody is surprised at this! It's the same corrupt, greedy and lifeless-between-the-ears bunch running the show and organizing these self-enriching rapings of this country and it's people. As long as the current generation of selfish, small-minded power-trippers are alive and with influence over the illiterate masses this sort of national pillage will continue!

  • Lucky - 2012-11-26 10:53

    the concern is that the "investigation" is into price inflation and procedures..the real issue here is the approval at all of this ridiculous expenditure. once again he will dodge a bullet at the expense of the taxpayer. tear it down, to hell with the waste its already gone and zoompipe should not benefit, period.

  • ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-11-26 10:54

    I like the way the Cwele and the ANC refer to the Apartheid government as a standard for justifying their own doings.

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-11-26 10:55

    We, the taxpayer demand shares and regular dividents or market related rental income.

  • braamc - 2012-11-26 10:55

    The thieve should be in jail then the community can use the palace, what about that?

      muke.matshaba - 2012-11-26 11:11

      Braamc do u think so?With his bunker ready theres no way

      liveby.thesword.1 - 2012-11-27 00:10

      one bunkerbuster and hes f(&*ed......but let him carry on.....the people are slowly waking up....

  • Lucky - 2012-11-26 10:56

    in addition no-one ever dreamed that he would share the clinic, helipad, emergency services, roads, bunker etc with the "locals" anyway.

  • talana.malherbe - 2012-11-26 11:01

    I hope the ANC voters who carry on about how this community is being upgraded and still voting ANC reads this thoroughly! The clinic, fire and emergency service which we are all paying for, is not for their benefit and they will not be allowed to use these services. So, ANC voters, tell again me how you are benefitting from this? Happy voting!

  • dionne.barnard - 2012-11-26 11:03

    Nice to use the apartheid time to your advantage, we need leaders not followers.

  • lynda.esterhuysen - 2012-11-26 11:05

    e tolling can't be paid for because of the changes at the home who money is it any way,even if he is paying off a bond where does he get his salary ??????

  • aspruyt - 2012-11-26 11:07

    Burn it down along with Zuma.

  • ursula.thyssen - 2012-11-26 11:10

    Who does JZ thinks he is..A leader...first look after his nation..then himself..This is not about black or white..but about humanity...Can those who lost their homes move in at Nkandla...

  • ardenharvey - 2012-11-26 11:11

    ABUSE OF POWER.... disgusting!

  • gerda.vanrooyen.39 - 2012-11-26 11:11

    At least there is a little good news on top of the bad. In the 1st paragraph it says "WHEN his term as president ends", and not "IF"!! Hope this will be the end of him being the president of SA.

      narike.lintvelt.9 - 2012-11-26 12:06

      I've started a petition supporting SA's opposition parties' motion of no confidence in Pres Zuma. Please take the time to sign and share this. Thank you.

  • Michel Lafon - 2012-11-26 11:19

    exchange rport for isigodlo n it is paradise

  • shaun.knoesen.9 - 2012-11-26 11:19

    And so the ANC continues to reward mediocrity.... And describing Zuma as a mediocre president is probably the understatement of the decade. . .

  • bullardx - 2012-11-26 11:21

    "private clinic not accessible to local community...In addition to the clinic, Zuma would also have access to a 24-hour fire and emergency service". Wat a damn shame.

  • dianne.neyt - 2012-11-26 11:23

    PW Bothas safety measures were a mere drop in the ocean compared to Nkandla...... and the corruption continues..... This country is laughable!

  • belinda.west.543 - 2012-11-26 11:25

    Just like the White House, Nkandla should be THE presidential home for South Africa. When they're in office they live there, when their Term is up they move and get their own place. Heck, it's not like they couldn't afford to buy their own home with the kind of money they pay themselves.

  • richard.zanner - 2012-11-26 11:27

    This will never end as there is simply no consequence for these actions. Why should Zuma have a private clinic all to himself and not even accessible to the people in the area. This country does not have enough medical care or decent medical care and here is a clinic that will be great but is not accessible and this while Zuma and his family already have access to the best private hospitals. And this is only the tip of what is going on in this country if one even just occasionally reads the media in terms of the money spending and wasting going on. This country cannot and will not survive this. It would need a drastic step to stop all of this and at this point there is nobody in sight who is going to stop this. And then one must consider that the smallest minority of our total population is actually contributing to the tax base to pay for all of this. The the Taxi Associations chases away an investor so no taxes from there.

  • marc.schnehage - 2012-11-26 11:30

    No upgrades were made to Mr Botha's home in the Wilderness. He only had a security detail! And, if any alteratins were made, it was definately not to the tune of R248m!!

  • grant.stevens.54390 - 2012-11-26 11:34

    Why does he need a clinic? Is there something about his health and that of his spouses that need to be made known to the general public? Wonder what it could be that requires treatment in a private facility at home that he may be too embarrassed about going to a public hospital or like the rest of his so called followers?... Nudge, nudge, wink, wink!!!!

  • Nkhangwe - 2012-11-26 11:41

    No need,When Zuma finishes his terms he will be secure at Pretoria Cmax or Sun city Prison

      herman.burger.5 - 2012-11-26 20:47


  • Phindile Manganyi - 2012-11-26 11:45

    The President has it all in luxury,a private clinic??interesting stuff,why cant the President just appoint a family doctor just like an other,a private clinic that excludes people in his home town from accessing,what is so President of the people if he could do such to his own home town and his people??...I think the President's advisors have stopped thinking straight

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-26 12:34

      If i lived in that community and desperately needed medical attention, i would f**ken force my way into his private clinic and demand treatment. Is it not illegal for medical practitioners to deny someone treatment, if it is an emergency?

  • koos.vanzyl.98 - 2012-11-26 11:46


      brad.ken.18 - 2012-11-26 16:37

      No NOT anybody! Only a cANCer leader! Other parties are civilsed and dont have the theft gene in their bodies. This is in-bred amongst these vermin!

  • strikeback.strikeback - 2012-11-26 11:48

    It is not so much the structures that people want to be removed. It is more the "owner" that they want removed from office! The structure can become a Hotel to be managed by the residents of Nkandla as a non-profit organisation until the R250m has been recovered.

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-11-26 11:51

    Thives, stealing from the fiscus. I would welcome a comment from pravin gordhan.

  • Hasani P - 2012-11-26 11:52

    Why make reference to P Botha when u are running a government which is all inclusive. You never told the voters that u were going to emulate PW Botha, otherwise that issue would have been deliberated upon. These sort of excuses are unacceptable. We are not living in an old order. Why justify what is happening in Nkandla with such a lousy excuse. Ant we living in a constitutional democracy turned monarch by the powers that may?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-26 12:35

      Seems so, a kleptocracy

  • steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-11-26 11:53

    After reading the article and the comments, it appears that there are plenty of angry and outraged people out there. The big question remains. How do we, as citizens, do something about the obvious abuse and theft of taxpayers money? The most obvious is to vote them out in 2014, but we all know how the sheeple believe the cANCer's horsepoop and will continue to vote for these clowns again and enjoy their lives of poverty. The only other way will be to limit their income by withholding those taxes that we can by way of a tax boycott. Give them less to steal. This would take a united and concerted effort from all major taxpayers. Is it illegal? Isn't the rape of the public funds illegal?

      narike.lintvelt.9 - 2012-11-26 12:07

      I've started a petition supporting SA's opposition parties' motion of no confidence in Pres Zuma. Please take the time to sign and share this. Thank you.

  • nicholas.whitehorn - 2012-11-26 11:53

    How the heck can this twat & all those going on about the "gravy train" from the previous government even begin to compare Nkandlagate to P W Bothas retirement home . The tax payers are footing a bill of 250 million vs the rather small amount of 3 million his modest house in George sold for on auction a couple of years ago .The tripe they will come up with to ligitimise their thievery?!

  • jeremia.magongwa - 2012-11-26 12:06

    come DA 2014 *singing* ....... i c blue i c the sky *singing*

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-11-26 12:35

      Awe! I see it too :)

  • dela.rey.5458 - 2012-11-26 13:00

    hehe, and dingaan win another round. One king and a bunch of tribal leaders, the rest (44 000 000) will wait obediently for the scraps that fall of the table... LMAO

  • theMichaelHawthorne - 2012-11-26 13:18

    PW Botha? Who da fark is dat? Did he run the anc? Did he spend R200mil on private home I don't think so...

      seymour.white.37 - 2012-11-26 13:38

      These criminals love to compare themselves to the government during Apartheid. I wish they were 5% as good as the Nats. During Apartheid, the Nats spent around 50% of the annual budget on black upliftment. They built TEN world class universities for blacks. They built 4 massive world class hospitals for blacks. They built thousands of schools and clinics for blacks. They provided farming initiatives and subsidies for blacks.During Apartheid we had one of the lowest crime rates in the world. Ask any older black person who was around then. The only people that are happier in the new SA are criminals and ANC "leaders". Its easy to confuse the two, they are often (always)the same thing...

  • flysouth - 2012-11-26 13:49

    I suspect that it will all burn eventually when the day comes that the 'masses' wake up to the abuse that has been going on, and how they have been betrayed by their own people who promised much but delivered little! This is the inevitable way of Africa.

  • Antipoaching - 2012-11-26 14:20

    Meanwhile deputy health minister Gwen Ramokgopa has admitted that the private clinic being built for Zuma at Nkandla would not be accessible for the local community. "Rural Development" "upliftment" "infra-structure improvement for the community" my flabby pink back-side......

  • tom.theunissen.12 - 2012-11-26 14:22

    Bwahahahahaha stupid stupid b@stards

  • rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-11-26 14:30

    and do not forget that Nkandia establishes a precedent. A new president will expect the same the very least, and probably will want to prove his power through even more extravagence. After that will come creeping empowerment from the next layer of government wanting a (slightly) less extravagant compound. Before we know what is happening there will be dozens of security compounds being built using the tax base.

  • rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-11-26 14:43

    I am able to think and form opinion:I see this as self-enrichment and criminal theft. On the other hand I could call it a mechanism for establishing respect and awe for a powerful leader......if I was not able to think and form an opinion. Please fellow Africans, whatever you skin hue, wake up, think, and stop this rape of your society.

  • keketso.polisa1 - 2012-11-26 14:47

    Animal Farm

  • richard.young.1253236 - 2012-11-26 14:53

    A year or two ago I drove closely past PW's old house. The house is very modest and I understand that he acquired it long before he because a minister, let alone president. The front door is literally metres from the road and the rear boundary is metres from the house. But there are very few security arrangements there. A short wire fence maybe and probably alarm inside. But most people do that anyway in the new South Africa. Clearly there need to be bodyguards when the incumbent at actually at home. But State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele's answer is both dishonest by comparison and a fallacy in terms of the oldest fallacy of them all, the et tu quoque. He and his boss should go and live permanently in Nkandla never to be seen on the outside again.