No bail for child murderers, rapists - minister

2011-05-30 16:52

Johannesburg - Courts should not grant bail to people charged with rape and murder of children as the suspects "often go out and commit more crimes", says the minister for women, children and people with disabilities, Lulu Xingwana, said in Johannesburg on Monday.

Xingwana was responding to questions by children at the launch of the Child Protection Week at the Abraham Kriel Childcare Centre in Langlaagte in Johannesburg.

She said in a statement that one of the greatest challenges facing South Africa currently was the scourge of violence against children and "the people responsible for these crimes should face the full might of the law".

"We have too many children being attacked, raped and killed. The annual SAPS crime statistics indicate increases in cases of attempted murder, murder and sexual offences against children between the 2008/09 and 2009/10 financial years."

She added that attempted murder against children had increased from 782 to 1 113 and murder from 843 to 965.

Extra measures

Most of these crimes were committed against children between the ages of 15 and 17 years, but the department was equally concerned that children between 0 and 10 years were also affected.

In the same way the country dealt with HIV and Aids, the extent of violence against children required extra measures to address these crimes, she said.

"Acknowledging the magnitude and complexity of the factors driving this scourge, we are establishing an advisory council comprising of key government departments, civil society organisations and other relevant partners.

"This Advisory Council is going to strengthen and co-ordinate the implementation of the 365 Days National Plan of Action to End Violence against Women and Children," said Xingwana.

The theme for the Child Protection Week was: "Working together to protect children" and the launch was attended by various government departments and non-governmental organisations that promote child rights.

Participants at the launch included Minister Xingwana, Social Development Minister Bathabile Dlamini and Correctional Services Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula.

The Child Protection Week involves a number of activities organised by various government departments, provincial governments and non-governmental organisations to increase community awareness and highlight the plight of children.

The Child Protection Week also covers International Children’s Day and the Day of the African Child which would be observed in KwaMhlanga, Mpumalanga on June 1.

  • CamsComment - 2011-05-30 16:56

    Singing - HAALLLAAAALLLUUUUUUUUYAAAAAA, HHHAAALLLAAALUUUYYYYAAAA Now lets extend that to all murderers and rapists.

      Ederik - 2011-05-30 20:43

      Mr Zuma is visiting his friend in Libya.

      ikabot - 2011-06-08 10:34

      CamsComment. I heard a child got raped and murdered in your neighbourhood and they never solved the case. Can you account for your whereabouts on the day in question? No? You're coming with us then. Bail? What bail. Lulu has spoken. You can rot in jail awaiting trial. Halleluja! Now lets extend that to those inciting violence by calling for the death penalty.

      Omnivore - 2011-11-29 23:21

      @ ikabot - methinks the lady doth protest too much.

  • Chewbacca - 2011-05-30 16:59

    So does that mean that if you murder & rape adults you might get bail?

      Mswati - 2011-05-30 18:16


  • Slapper - 2011-05-30 17:00

    Well about time, but better late than never. This guys should never ever get bail and if convicted, should never see freedom again.

  • Ray - 2011-05-30 17:03

    At least one person who's name I cannot pronounce, had an enlightened moment and spoke a bit of sense!!

  • Shelley Pembroke - 2011-05-30 17:06

    Gees, 10 points for that flash of brilliance: criminals will go out and commit more crimes? WHAT?!?

  • semaj - 2011-05-30 17:07

    That is a start, now how about death for cop killers? Yes we all know there is no death penalty, but there is a case to be made for an exception here and there.

      Krolie - 2011-05-30 17:37

      AND murders on farmers!

      Omnivore - 2011-11-29 23:30

      It doesn't matter who the victim was, murderers, rapists and armed robbers must all die. We, as a society need to work harder at enforcing our rules.

  • omrisho - 2011-05-30 17:10

    why only child murderers??? something is seriously wrong with this, should apply to all murders and rapes and violent crimes, sheez, get with the program, i mean really???

      Benniten - 2011-05-30 18:22

      CAPITAL PUNISHMENT TO ANY killer, rapist, and corupt gov officials

  • Lennox - 2011-05-30 17:13

    "Liewe Lulu", now lets add to that the death sentence if convicted. The money spent on keeping them in jail for life or double life sentence could then be used to build a house for someone more worthy.

  • jakkals - 2011-05-30 17:13

    Rape charges are difficult in that most of the times it is only the complainant's word against the accused. The problem doesn't lay at the accused going out to commit another crime, it lays with the police investigation and prosecutors to convince the court why an accused should not get bail. If the police/prosecutor's work is shoddy, these guys will still get bail. Think about the people being falsely accused for rape.

  • Oukoos - 2011-05-30 17:15

    However if you are charged with rape of an adult (refer Jcob Zuma, December 2005), it is OK to get bail????

  • Gorilla - 2011-05-30 17:16

    "...Courts should not grant bail to people charged with rape and murder of children..." I would think that this would be the default setting... just before the execution.

      ikabot - 2011-06-08 10:31

      Gorilla. I heard a child got raped and murdered in your neighbourhood and they never solved the case. Can you account for your whereabouts on the day in question? No? You're coming with us then. Bail? What bail. Lulu has spoken. Off with your head.

  • JewelZA - 2011-05-30 17:25

    Erm sorry to put a damper on everyone's delight, but there's a lot of rhetoric from ministers which very seldom, if ever, turns into any real action. Now let's see our judiciary put this into action, along with making LIFE sentences actually for the rest of a convict's life - not the usual 8 years....

  • BigMoose - 2011-05-30 17:32

    What a LULU! It has taken 17 years for the light to come on? Pity no-one is home, though.

      JewelZA - 2011-05-30 17:58

      Agree totally, BigM. They've had 17 years to DO something, so all this is just more user-friendly sound-bites for us to gobble up....

  • Mike or Mpho - 2011-05-30 17:33

    Wow, what an epiphany! Now you gotto to initiate another research (that will cost the taxpayer a few more millions) to find out if giving bail to adult murderers and rapists is a good idea! Waht a joke

  • Krolie - 2011-05-30 17:35

    Thank goodness. A few steps in the right direction. BIG PLEASE: Just implement this immediately!!! Implement the same for THE BALANCE OF MURDERS AND RAPES!!!!

  • Jakob - 2011-05-30 17:43

    who wud even talk about bail on such matters??? death penalty...

      ikabot - 2011-06-08 10:30

      Jakob. I heard a child got raped and murdered in your neighbourhood and they never solved the case. Can you account for your whereabouts on the day in question? No? You're coming with us then. Bail? What bail. Lulu has spoken.

  • gcr - 2011-05-30 17:44

    This is choice coming from the same useless minister who couldn't uncover or resolve all the fraud at the Land Bank - so don't expect anything great from this lady - oh I forgot she authorised sanitary towels for school teenagers

  • Luvuyo - 2011-05-30 17:49

    that's true Minister,the rapist and murder must be put and rotten into prison those rubbish,don't forget also to mention,these people who kill the future of children by abusing them that is also the silent murder minister to children

  • Macho Mike - 2011-05-30 18:07

    You suffer from logorrhea, Mrs Xingwana.

  • JewelZA - 2011-05-30 18:11

    There's no cure for paedophilia. I cannot understand why, not only here but in most countries around the world, they are ever allowed back into society, let alone given bail whilst they appeal their convictions. How many 'repeat' cases have we read in the last 10 years? I feel fairly certain that across all cultures, social strata, political affiliation, etc, only other paedophiles would want them to be freed. This is one of many instances where I believe the law is not representative of the wishes of the people. Let them out when you find a cure, please. Until then, we do not want them.

  • Benniten - 2011-05-30 18:18

    Bail is extra cash for Goverment, wil not happen soon

  • Anonymous Thinker - 2011-05-30 18:19

    They shouldn't get bail no matter how old the victim is!!

  • fsj - 2011-05-30 19:14

    I thought you were innocent until proven guilty, and that bail is a mechanism for people, (some of who may be innocent) to continue their lives until such time as a trial, which can begin weeks or months after an initial arrest, starts. While it should not be granted as a matter of course, I do not believe that the minister has the capacity to judge all cases from her lofty office.

  • ZAS - 2011-05-30 19:18

    Violence against anyone in any society is unforgivable. I am not only referring to actualy GHB, I refer also to animal poisonings, mutilations etc, if you want something, work for it. Most people have and that is how they have what you want, what gives these guys the right to behave in such a "manner?" yet expect the broader civil society to grant them civil rights?

  • Philosopher - 2011-05-30 19:22

    ..some days it feels like the government works for it's people..

  • BlueVelvet - 2011-05-30 20:12

    However in 2009 when Zuma was campaining he said that any one that rapes or abuses women and children will not get bail... One thing they are consistent with is..... never meeting their promises.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-05-30 20:42

    What about people caught with illegal guns?

  • Makutu - 2011-05-31 08:57

    And those that murder other people will get amnesty?

  • bob - 2011-05-31 09:31

    let them HANG!

  • kevs - 2011-06-08 10:34

    I sing Hosanna to the lamb of God. For He has opened some people's eyes. I have been praying for this moment for so very long. I am very impressed with what is happening here. Like the Information bill is being forced through, this should have been forced through parlement LONG TIME AGO....LETS MARCH ON....against child and women abuse

  • nononsense - 2011-09-14 13:23


      Omnivore - 2011-11-29 23:23

      LEGALISE drugs and you'll seriously reduce crime, especially on the flats.

  • Jason - 2011-09-14 14:00

    Hang the bastards, why let them rot in jail??

  • Gail - 2011-09-14 21:16

    Esteemed ministers. Do something positive for once in your lives. I had such faith in our women of South Africa and we have been let down. When a woman fails her nation and her children,we are doomed. At least stop failing our children now and make something positive happen for them.

  • Omnivore - 2011-11-29 23:20

    Here's a thought. How about no bail for ANY murderers, rapists?

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