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No use 'sweetening' e-toll tariffs - DA

2012-10-25 19:33

Johannesburg - The public must be aware that lower Gauteng e-toll tariffs can always be raised later, the Democratic Alliance said on Thursday.

"It's no use 'sweetening' the e-tolls by lowering the tariffs, as they can always be raised later," Democratic Alliance MPL Jack Bloom said in a statement.

"Lower tariffs also make the e-toll collection even more irrational, as we could end up spending more on the collection system than on the roads."

Bloom said the DA noted that government had approved the gazetting of the e-toll terms and conditions, including updated tariffs.

A 30-day period for public comment was given.

"Government will, at the end of 30 days, incorporate this round of public comment and publish its final position after a further 14 days," it said.

Bloom said it was unfair to call for public comment without making the e-toll contract available.

"Public opposition will remain unless government can show that it is genuinely willing to address legitimate concerns by people who feel very financially stressed," he said.

Comments
  • ryvon30 - 2012-10-25 19:41

    def not buying an e-tag, come track me down..........knowing you guys, probably to lazy to do some work

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-25 20:24

      Don't buy it and avoid using the road if you can. If everyone does that, they'll go bang.

      bruce.williams.1044186 - 2012-10-25 20:28

      No matter how they try and "sweeten" the deal, I refuse to support it! They are crooks!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-25 20:32

      These cANCer thieves can stand on top of their heads and whistle the national anthem out of you know where, I will still not buy an e-tag. I refuse point-blank. The mere fact that taxis don't have to pay is what makes my blood boil.

      Oraniaboer - 2012-10-26 00:28

      Another ripp off deal for the South-African people. Hell man if all the people decide not to get an etag and just drive as if it doesnt exist the government will have a major catastrophy on theire hands to catch everybody. Jissis that would be funny to see how they run around looking for people to give tickets to. I ja jaai. Another joke on them the ANC.

      maree.cassie - 2012-10-26 07:24

      I'm with you! No way I am buying one!!! S.A united against e-toll!!!! We can beat this!!!

      ashley.stroebel - 2012-10-26 07:36

      Stick it to the man................F****** Goverment.

      itumeleng.mogaki - 2012-10-26 07:42

      I would like to appeal to anyone who is connected to OUTA to suggest to them to print stickers in defiance against the tolling system, we will in turn buy them, fill up the lawyers feees to help them fight this evil.

      jacobus.vandermerwe.9 - 2012-10-26 08:55

      JOIN now, stand together: http://www.facebook.com/boycottetoll we do not have the money anymore...

      Eterni80 - 2012-10-29 14:04

      I want to know how they can go from 66c to 33c to 30c - wtf are we paying for ?? put 10c in the fuel price and maybe, just maybe, I'll consider it - my logic is then the collection base is much larger, and then everybody pays and everybody benefits.

  • hilda.macarthur - 2012-10-25 19:44

    We demand no tolls, period. Take that money you're stealing from us, and pay for it.

      andrez.kolesky - 2012-10-26 08:29

      "Hierdie "Outas" "Ousies" en "Aias" sal nooit ophou nie."

      jacobus.vandermerwe.9 - 2012-10-26 08:56

      Do not let SANRAL steal more toll money? Why do we even pay tax? Join now and share: http://www.facebook.com/boycottetoll

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-10-26 11:59

      Sell the towers to a scrap metal dealer. They say they want the public to comment, as if that'll make any difference. They are dictators not democrats

  • tim.brink.1238 - 2012-10-25 19:44

    Never buy E-Tags. Once they got you, there is no getting away from Sanrails' access to your bank accounts. Its "Highway Robbery"!

      jacobus.vandermerwe.9 - 2012-10-26 08:56

      the only way to stop government is for the masses to stand together: http://www.facebook.com/boycottetoll

  • shraek.eve - 2012-10-25 19:44

    WILL NEVER REGISTER!! GOV-RUPTION WONT GET ONE CENT!

  • kim.buren - 2012-10-25 19:52

    They can go kiss my ar$e

      Thabiso Tlou Moloto Davis - 2012-10-25 20:04

      agree more

      boltonbarry - 2012-10-25 20:13

      Im sure your a$&e is worth kissing

  • opinionator - 2012-10-25 19:54

    I'll pay for my e-tag when ANC is out of governance. but we both know that that is NEVER gonna happen so no money for youuuuuu xD

  • autoden - 2012-10-25 20:13

    tumisang.kolobe WTF are u smoking?

  • magdaleen.smuts - 2012-10-25 20:14

    My thoughts as well.

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-10-25 20:16

    Resistance el continua... Down with the e-toll points down!

  • Christo Zikie - 2012-10-25 20:17

    they must forget it I'm not paying even a cent for this , they must take it to Enkandla by Zumas home town

  • george.slade.161 - 2012-10-25 20:18

    DONT BUY ETOLLS DONT BUY !!!

  • amanda.matthews.14811 - 2012-10-25 20:26

    The gov'ment are desperate to find the extra revenue it will need to keep another million in "social welfare paradise" happy. Screw the taxpayers to keep the oxygen thieves still voting for the ANC.

  • george.pito - 2012-10-25 20:43

    Why dont they so called Hawks investigate this deal. The root of the problem is still with consultants and or whovever iniatied this monster. Any proffesional engineer should have recognised the feasability of this. We are still being misled by court cases and lawyers making more money and the root of the problem is where did the user requirement come from. Who decided we need this toll system and based on what? This is now only a band aid covering up tracks and a lot of useless people are milking the process more and more.

  • nick.collis.16 - 2012-10-25 20:46

    Tumisang , in principle the user should pay . The user already pays to some extent through the fuel levy. If there had been a strong consultation with the public ,opposition parties and special interest groups to come up with a cost efficient and transparent way of raising funds there would not have been this level of public resistance. Instead an out of touch ANC tries to introduce a badly thought out idea by stealth. An idea I might add that has the taint of corruption and desperation about it. Government has a serious issue with the pension schemes invested in SANRAL.

      Karel du Toit - 2012-10-25 21:30

      government get paid to provide service, we pay alot of levies and taxes

      Billy - 2012-10-25 22:28

      ok tumisang, so how have they been maintained previously? where has the funding gone that was used before tolls were thought of? why do we need tolls now all of a sudden?

      Thebigguyjim - 2012-10-26 06:24

      User pays principal is fine with me. But then it must be applied across the board. If you go to state school user pays. If you go to state hospital user pays, etc etc.

      Alan - 2012-10-26 08:46

      In some ways I agree nick. But Gauteng generates more than half the products and services for the WHOLE COUNTRY not just for Gauteng. So the WHOLE COUNTRY benefits from these road users. Therefore everyone should pay, finish and klaar...

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-10-25 21:06

    In a fragile and uncertain economic environment such as we are experiencing, the implementation of the e-toll system might be the last milk droplets drained from this cash cow that causes the balance to tip and plunge SA into a deep economic crisis. We need to resist this system at all cost people! Even if we are threatened with the might of the law.. The question is: ARE YOU A MAN OR A MOUSE?

  • motleleng - 2012-10-25 21:06

    This is BULLSH#T, no e-tolls period..

  • markus.esterhuyse - 2012-10-25 21:11

    What a joke! Mr Pravin have you got 2 or 3 fingers in this pie, and JZ ? Mac? And the rest! We are all diputs we can't tell that you will start at .35 cents a km and then over 6 months escalate to R2.50 a km! Like all the other tolls! Most food and goods get manufactured in Gauteng! If you not sure ask Rob Davies ( I forgot he also has shares in SANRAL) the cost will effect all South Africans ! Not that you care coz your food bill per month is what some poor in rural areas earn in 3 years! You don't believe! 96% of MP are over weight gluttons!!!

      petr.valcik1 - 2012-10-26 08:18

      I have to agree. He is rather spineless or just as guilty. I mean he wants to talk about tightening our belts and a budget deficit but yet Zuma wants to blow 1/4 Billion Rand on Nkandla which the public will fund?

  • khaedu - 2012-10-25 21:12

    @Tumisang Kolobe CKUF you

  • vuyisan - 2012-10-25 21:13

    ok some of us are always opposing everything from this government, I am not suprised at all

      juannepierre - 2012-10-26 03:38

      Haha, some of us...? Did you not see the mass protest against these tolls way back when... Some of us, I think not.

      arthur.salvado - 2012-10-26 06:59

      Yep, you right vuyisan, let's not oppose corruption, theft and outright government lack of care and performance. Again you right. We all opposing what this stupid government is doing knowing very well that it does not help. So vuyisan , you absolutely right, why oppose. Well done vuyisan . Maybe you can get rewarded with a tender but only if you haven't already. You are a nations hero.

  • thabo.shaku - 2012-10-25 22:02

    Which part of "NO E-TOLLS" don't they understand!!!!!!!

  • africanwolf - 2012-10-25 22:05

    Gauteng province pays most taxes anyway if to go according to Kolobe's logic Gauteng can maintain it's own roads, if you don't give Gauteng's tax money to other provinces. Gautend does not need tolls period.

  • long.tom.509 - 2012-10-25 23:10

    Just by the way,this whole e-toll saga has shown what a weak government we have,cannot implement a simple thing

  • Thami Manentsa - 2012-10-26 04:59

    we government employees pay a taxe which way too much, enough to be someones salary and this government of our show their gratitudes with such crap decisions, but i would be that surprised cause our president is busy turning his village into a town with the tax payers money. Where is this democracy we were screaming of???

  • victor.windsor - 2012-10-26 06:25

    They are not telling us where we can comment ?????

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-10-26 06:28

    I will never comply with this blatant thieving. The anc is a corrupt organization with sanral doing its dirty work. We want to see the transparency they brag about, we want to see what cadres got the sweet deals on these roads that cost 9 times more to build than in first world countries. No to e-tolling. Do not comply, do not register, be part of the fight back – government is there to SERVE the people, not dictate. We are the ungovernable force – etolling – up yer bum. These are our roads sanral, not yours.

  • graeme.stockwell - 2012-10-26 06:39

    so how do we comment? we have 30 days, lets comment

  • arthur.salvado - 2012-10-26 06:55

    Very simple without getting personal. I'm NOT buying and e-tag. Klaar

  • denice.richardts - 2012-10-26 07:17

    screw you. i cant afford it! and thats that!

  • vicki.malatse - 2012-10-26 07:19

    Even if its 1cent/km,I'm still no paying full sotp

  • ingrid.oberholzer - 2012-10-26 07:54

    I would like to know how the public can comment on this, are they going to set up meeting in some outback hall at 10h00 in the morning with a days notice and only old age pensioners and unemployed non dirivng public attendinf like all the other meetings they have arranged.

  • evidence.dumba - 2012-10-26 07:58

    When something is rotten, no ammount of sweetening will take away the stench.

  • petr.valcik1 - 2012-10-26 08:12

    "A 30-day period for public comment was given" - so where can I give my comment that they will actually read and use in their stats report? I pay my taxes and that's not even talking about the fuel tax which also includes road tax.... I said it before - and I'll say it again.... No e-tag. Zuma can use the money that he wants to use for Nkandla, his R2Bn plane and I bet if they cut down spending on their families and trips to Dubai they can get the other half of the money too.

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-10-26 08:18

    We dont need another 30 bloody days. We the public have spoken and are against it. What more do we need to discuss!!!!!! Hows about all the money that the ANC government has stolen in the past 18yrs to feed there fat bellies pay it back??????

  • martha.stclair - 2012-10-26 08:55

    Here's my public comment, go F**k yourselves, even 1c is too much for roads that could be paid fro if you stopped stealing our hard earned taxes! You want to build a R200 million rand house for JZ, and then expect us to pay to use road. DELUSIONAL!

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2012-10-26 09:10

    I know alot of people who are going to end up in courts due to affordibility. It will not be worth it to work anymore as people are already buying less food in order to cover their debts. Must more people now go under debt counceling? @ Thumisang: The public has already paid for the infrastucture of the roads over a long period of time. It is due to the lack of long term planning, that the roads condition are in a mess. No amount of explaining to the public are going to justify the tripple payment for something that should in actual fact have been taken care of by means of maintenance (already paid for). The monies already paid are NOT being used to maintain the roads (otherwise the roads would not have been in such a mess in the first place), it is instead being put into investors and others' pockets, which in actual fact is NOT benefiting the public at all, creating just a bigger burden on the middle class user actually already funding the state coffers. Your comment regarding some Eastern Cape roads which are in a state is once again proof that it is due to a lack of proper long term planning and stealing, yet you want to write it off. Who ever has given you the advise, which you see as a comment on this forum, has sure tried to brain wash you and you need to ask the question why, after educating yourself as to the real problem which is actauly monies to be paid to another man's pocket. More corruption and under-the-table wheeling and dealing.

  • carolyn.myburgh - 2012-10-26 09:25

    In response to Tumisang I take it you get to work in a taxi which is of course exempt from e-toll fees. Grow up and see the big picture here

  • ethanhawk385 - 2012-10-26 09:47

    Everyone is missing the point, we have already paid for these roads via the fuel levy's. Why should we pay again ????????

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-10-26 12:44

    How do I put this politely sanral - go shag a landmine you parasites, we have lost all trust & respect for you and your anc puppet masters. You have lied & deceived from day one. We will not be tolled, we refuse to pay. You just don’t get it; you can’t privatize our public roads for your greed. No to e-tolling and the corruption associated with it. To all journalists, get these secret documents, find a way and expose this corruption. To the DA, put your money where your mouth is, support OUTA more than just words and grand standing. This is SA’s fight against an unjust system & double taxation.

  • willem.wulfse - 2012-10-26 13:21

    If you register it will be the same as the TV licence bull. They will never let go of you.

  • lee.bromley.39 - 2012-10-26 15:25

    Well played DA. Winning the hearts of Gauteng...

  • matthew.knoetze - 2012-10-26 15:33

    Doesn't matter how much they reduce the tolls. We already paid for the roads through a hundred other taxes. I will continue to use the roads and not buy an e-tag. And they can shove their invoice up their A#S!

  • Hellhound1 - 2012-10-26 19:09

    I would join COSATU to get rid of this, we can go on a rampage and break down the etoll cameras. And can someone please tell me why Taxis don`t have to pay???

      ludick.media - 2012-10-28 03:02

      Because the ANC dont want to loose to many votes ?

  • ludick.media - 2012-10-28 03:01

    Thats ANC democracy for you....use tax money to build a freakin 287million house in Nkandla for Zuma....then TELL you , hey you are allowed to comment on the etoll, BUT we WILL do it, no matter what you say....Thugs. Public democratic meanings mean jack all for these thieves. They look at you, listen, act like they care, then take your money anyway... Hell, why pay so much tax to begin with then ? Robbed blind

      ronny.mashigo.7 - 2012-11-23 06:19

      Yes they cn reduce tariffs now n next year it will go up just like foods n petrol, this man can't run the country

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