Top cop: Officers hire guns out for crime

2012-10-03 22:28

Cape Town - Some Western Cape police officers have sided with gangsters and other criminals, provincial police commissioner Arno Lamoer said on Wednesday.

He told the Cape Town Press Club that 87 officers were arrested in the last financial year alone for corrupt activities such as selling drugs to gangsters and participating in armed robberies.

Of these, 20 had been dismissed. The rest were still involved in criminal procedures.

"We also know that some of our police officers hire their guns out to people to commit crimes," Lamoer said.

The department had registered all service firearms on a database to combat this trend.

Lamoer told reporters the province was afflicted by gang-related violence, substance abuse and illegal firearms.

The latest crime statistics released for the province showed a leap in drug-related crime between 2010/2011 and 2011/2012, from 70 588 reported cases to 77 069.

Illegal possession of firearms dropped slightly in the same period from 2 551 cases to 2 395 cases.

Gang-related crime was not indicated in national crime statistics.

Lamoer said the perceptions of communities were a more reliable indicator of crime than national statistics.

"I don't believe in decreases and increases of crime of more than 10% to 15%, to 30%, 40% because something must be seriously wrong in crime [statistics] for it to fluctuate that way," he said.

"We can celebrate the decreases in crime, but what difference does it make to a baby girl of 18 months who was raped? It doesn't make any sense."

He said the job of the police was to ask how they could go back to a community and change the perceptions of where they lived, or of the government that was tasked with protecting them.

Partnerships with various non-governmental organisations played a key role in keeping an ear to the ground and identifying victims, especially women and children.

Lamoer said these crimes were "sad and also very serious", with victims of sexual offences getting younger.

He said on Wednesday morning alone, he had heard of three girls, aged four, five and 10, who were raped in separate cases.

"It is with people that they know: their fathers, their step-fathers."

He said the police had "excellent partnerships" with non-governmental organisations such as Rape Crisis and The Pink Ladies, but more was needed to fight such crimes.

The partnership with the provincial social development department, for instance, was "not up to scratch" when it came to abuse.

  • fezilefezzweezy.dinwa - 2012-10-03 22:56

    I think the national commissioner must try bringing officers from outside the province to try and sort this cape town crime, it is too much now! This can be solved by specialised units! - 2012-10-03 23:42

      "Officers from outside the province", really??, SAPS and Government is rotten in all provinces. Really sick that we have so many criminals in SAPS and government, who do we blame for this? No more blaming Apartheid or young democracy, criminality and corruption is born from the heart, you are either corrupt and criminal or you not, simple as that, time to blame the character of the individuals.

      husaberg.twostroke - 2012-10-04 01:47

      Nice in the new South-Africa lovely and safe to live in. NOTTTT.

      roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-10-04 07:15

      The cops are just as bad in other Provinces if not worse so where must they be brought in from? We must face it that this country is F****d since the ANC took over because the BIGGEST criminals rule the country and are the leaders of criminality.

      andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-10-04 07:36

      They should be swapped around. They should also be charged with attempted murder because that was the reason for supplying the thugs with firearms! - 2012-10-04 09:54

      "The department had registered all service firearms on a database" - I should friggn hope so! Who is this guy? King of the bleeding obvious? Anyway, this doesn't help because they rent out the firearms from the Section 13 store (The store where all illegal confiscated guns and those handed in / surrendered by lawful owners are kept pending destruction).

      clive.kihn - 2012-10-04 20:08

      Fizzy, this is a NATIONAL problem, which needs to be tackled at a NATIONAL level, but won't be because we don't have the right person sitting in the NATIONAL police commissioner's chair.

  • Nhlanhla Zondi - 2012-10-03 23:03

    yeah now i can safely say that crime its on another level here in South Africa.... police hiring guns to criminals.

  • isabel.ashe.7 - 2012-10-03 23:21


  • jeffrey.d.walker.9 - 2012-10-03 23:30

    Officers should be chosen from inside their ranks,by Qualified Senior Officers, wether it be SAPS or Military. Politicians must stay out of this process also in the Judiciary. SAPS and Military are supposed to protect and serve the inhabitants of this country and not corrupt politicians. Affirmative action should be illegal in the services which should be independent of politics. There is no more discipline and honour in these departments because of political interference, that's why these things are allowed to happen. Too many unqualified affirmative action posts being "created" which is a waste of our Tax Rands, That's why our Navy and air force is a mess and ineffective, most of them are ex terrorists (umkomto we sizwe) who don't have a clue how a proper military should be run.This includes the present Commissioner of Police, who has no knowledge of Police operations, why ? because she was placed there by Politicians,to serve who? not the public, but the ANC.

  • drienie.mayo - 2012-10-03 23:41

    No surprises or anything new here.

  • bob.small.7547 - 2012-10-04 00:13

    One totally stuffed up country!

  • tiaan.truter - 2012-10-04 01:03

    we know this already...its because they hire scum to join the police,no proper training...nothing.Most police members are so rotten you can smell them when they walk past you.

      gladness.mashaba.33 - 2012-10-04 05:06

      Wa nyela

  • songezo.kilani - 2012-10-04 01:05

    \police hire guns to criminals\?, Wow, just wow.

  • Erna - 2012-10-04 02:46

    1. How can gang related crime not be covered by the statistics? 2. I think our government has reached the point where most departments, ie. health, education, crime, public works, are in such a bad state that they don't where and how to start fixing it and instead of admitting it they just lie and deny. They haven't got a clue - time to vote for change people! No-one else can do worse than the anc.

      theo.joubert.37 - 2012-10-04 07:38

      Erna the crime statistics are manipulated. A year or so ago I had to report a theft case for a insurance claim. It was conserning stock theft by my employees. unfortunately I could not determain who was responsable. When I tried to open a criminal docket, I was told that they would not open the docket, and that they will only report the incident and give me an incedent number. I asked why would a docket not be opened, the answer was that since there are not any suspects they would not open a docket since this would look bad on their statistics. These crime statistics is not a true acount of the crime sitiation in the country.

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-10-04 03:48

    Our police are often the first to reach a crime scene - usually just before the crime is committed.

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-10-04 06:31

      Nou praat, jy swaer, nou praat jy.

  • joy.clark.794628 - 2012-10-04 04:57

    Once the people who are the guardians of the law are the outlaws you have chaos. This is a shocking and the end of South Africa as any sort of civilised country.\r\nThe question is why are 67 still employed as officers? If it is known that they are involved in crime they should be in prison the same as other criminals.

  • wilma.vandermerwe.39 - 2012-10-04 05:16

    Can you believe this?

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-10-04 05:45

    That's a scary thought! shoooo!! So who's protecting us if criminals and cops are in a deal! - 2012-10-04 09:58

      Quirky, I'm still waiting for the Gun Free SA nuts to come on this forum and proclaim we should give up our legally owned firearms so that we can be attacked by criminals with illegal firearms. Again a challenge to all GFSA members - Put a sign outside your house saying you are a member of Gun Free SA and have no firearm on the premises. Go on, put your money where your mouth is...

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-10-04 05:51

    the only way to solve the problem is to employ people or recruit people in the area and deploy them in that area. the problem now is in Lavender hill 90% of the policeman dont live in that area they come from the Eastern cape or somewhere else and the community dont know them at all.if you want info from people you must earn their trust but if you only in the area while you work and then if you do work you do not communicate with the public you are wasting your time,recruit people out of a area and than deploy them in that area they will know the gangs even up to their nicknames and their respective gangs they belong to.and pleaaaseee teach them how to communicate to people and be respectfull and be able to listen when they are given good advice, the way they treat you today is as if they are Gods of some sort they have to change their higher than thow attidtude

      Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-10-04 06:23

      Well said! if i grew up in Soweto, I would know who the criminals are in my area and i would be more effective in fighting crime and bringing those criminals to book!! good point!!

  • ansie.fourie.940 - 2012-10-04 06:17

    In Pretoria (H/v Du Toit en Pretoriusstraat) Middestad word polisie uniforms uitgedeel. 'n Swart man het dit gesien en vir ons vertel. Skokkend!!!

  • iainrhind - 2012-10-04 06:44

    "He told the Cape Town Press Club that 87 officers were arrested in the last financial year alone for corrupt activities such as selling drugs to gangsters and participating in armed robberies. Of these, 20 had been dismissed. The rest were still involved in criminal procedures." How the hell are they still there and involved in criminal activities? This suggests to me that management is not at all serious about stamping out corruption and criminality within their ranks. There are still many good cops around, but these scum are tarnishing the image of the entire SAPS.

  • frank.crane.180 - 2012-10-04 06:49

    "Illegal possession of firearms dropped slightly in the same period from 2 551 cases to 2 395 cases." Sure it has the gansterd draw them from the police amoury and the check them back in later.

  • nicky.saaiman.1 - 2012-10-04 06:52

    Bring back death penalty.

      dikeledi.malatji.56 - 2012-10-04 07:46

      110% Supported Nicky let's pray for it to cum back n we.ll live in peace n harmony!!

  • ben.burger.3998 - 2012-10-04 06:59

    deport all nigerians and 90% of drug related crime solved o sorry thenthe cops wont get extra income

      theo.joubert.37 - 2012-10-04 07:27

      That would have been a sollution but with our current open border policy these nigerians will be back within 24 hours. All government departments are in shambles. The current government does not give a damn about its citizens, all they care about is stuffing their own pockets, cader deploiment and giving tenders to companies that is owned by family members.

  • Siyabonga Adolphas Buthelezi - 2012-10-04 07:05

    death penalty is not only the solution to solve crime.You must also look other alternatives.

      roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-10-04 07:23

      HANGING is the best way to rid the country of these despicable people. THERE is NO other way and why should we,the taxpayer,still look after them IF they are jailed?

      penny.stone.589 - 2012-10-04 16:44

      Time to re-introduce chain gangs. Make these mofos work for the good of the country building roads, houses, anything that requires hard labour. Dress them in cerise pink with yellow dots so that they stand out and can be pointed out to children so that SA's children will grow up knowing that if you do the crime you can be seen doing the time.

  • roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-10-04 07:19

    Test ALL cops guns on a regular basis and if it is true that they do this,the culprit will be caught sooner than later. Their guns are State property and if one of them "loses" his gun,he or she MUST be punished.

      flysouth - 2012-11-27 23:54

      How easy is this to fix? At each morning parade and/or each shift change, every cop must be lined up in the station-house and will produce his gun for checking against an firearms register for personnel at that station. Two officers do the checks. Daily reporting all the way up the chain of command should ensure that no fiddling happens - or is the SAPS rotten all the way to the top? Hell, why do I bother asking? - of course they are!

  • Kalari - 2012-10-04 07:23

    The police cannot catch the criminals because the criminals are the police. We need a regime change where people with integrity run this country and not a bunch of criminals leaded by a president with over 500 fraud charges.

  • Annelize Grobler - 2012-10-04 07:24

    what a joke..... is it because police earn such jokes for salaries ???

      Kalari - 2012-10-04 07:33

      You call this a joke???

      Annelize Grobler - 2012-10-04 14:19

      yeah... I wonder what other countries do if they read headlines like this. they laugh at the way things are managed in this country...

  • joe.mangena.1 - 2012-10-04 07:26

    These will happen all over the country should DA take power

      Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-10-04 07:28

      Sad little man, catch a wake up

      Annelize Grobler - 2012-10-04 07:31

      how did you come to that conclusion ???? its whats happening now and your ANC is all in here... TROLL

      taerasmus - 2012-10-04 09:55

      Joe, if only you realised how stupid this comment of your actually is. You sir have a lot to learn

  • arthur.salvado - 2012-10-04 07:36

    There is no solution. The government and all it's departments are corrupt. All of them. Shame on you ANC . Boerewors Republic with bananas for desert.

  • stoffel.matya - 2012-10-04 07:38

    SA government too soft on drug dealers.

  • piet.snot.77964 - 2012-10-04 08:27

    I presume - or is it too much to presume anything these days - that these 20 who have been dismissed are sitting jail or is the SAPS like so many companies who just dismiss staff after discovering their criminal activities rather than charging them.

  • flysouth - 2012-10-04 08:32

    Knowing of his own management failures this man Lamoer should resign and make way for someone more competent who would put the fear of God into his subordinates if they misbehave!

  • siphom.mnguni - 2012-10-04 08:58

    \we also know that some of our police officers hire their guns out to people to commit crimes\. Really, Commissioner? How many? Why are they not arrested? Are you really doing your job that you get paid for?

  • Thabo Masinga - 2012-10-04 11:12

    @arthur.salvado, Western Cape is DA territory, not ANC, u r in denial of the stats which the DA disputed that Western Cape has the highest rising crime rate, which their own Police commissioner has just confirmed.

  • josie.russell.10 - 2012-10-04 11:50

    Our Policemen believe in SHARING - they rent out their service guns! How kind of them - why not leave a trolley in each picknpay for pickup and return as they do it so open anyway. Come on IT guys and bio blokes put a little tracker in the guns so we can follow them online and then stay the hell out of the way. THIS COUNTRY IS SICK SICK SICK

  • clive.kihn - 2012-10-04 20:05

    Are we really that surprised? I think we all suspect that the majority of police firearms that are "lost" are, in fact, sold to criminals. Nothing will improve until we get a proper national police commissioner, as opposed to some politician who is put there to help you-know-who get a second term. Surely there are still a few experienced, competent, honest career cops left from whom a POLICE commissioner could be chosen, regardless of colour, gender, political affiliation, whatever.

  • popeye.sailor.1884 - 2012-10-07 21:55

    Pathetic ! This country is n mess !

  • jc.coetzee - 2012-10-08 20:41

    whats new?

  • flysouth - 2012-11-27 23:50

    South Africa is like an old 'skedunk' motor car after 19 years of abuse by the ANC. Like that old jalopy, it is still rolling along, but ever more slowly with frequent breakdowns. Even if there is enough money to fix it, when you take it to the garage to get fixed they just take a look and tell you there is so much wrong that it is impossible to fix without stripping it down completely. The country is exactly like that now - faults and failures which should have been maintained and fixed as they occurred have been neglected to the point where there is virtually nothing on this old crate that works - everything is in a last-stage, point-of-collapse, state of disrepair.

  • sesom - 2012-11-28 07:42


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