Opponents had to wait to fight tolls, court hears

2012-04-24 20:10

Pretoria - Opponents to the Gauteng e-tolling scheme could only bring legal action after the tariffs had been announced in February 2011, the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria heard on Tuesday.

This had resulted in a large public outcry and was when the magnitude of the system became apparent, Alistair Franklin, for the applicants - who include the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance - told the court.

He was replying to earlier arguments that opponents to tolling only brought legal action four years after the toll roads were declared.

Franklin said the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) and other applicants trying to stop the tolling had only become aware that the system would start on April 30 when it was announced in the Budget on February 22 this year.

The applicants supported the need to upgrade Gauteng's roads, but were against how it would be paid for.

"The applicants attack the funding method that was adopted, that is all."

Franklin rejected arguments that the applicants could still have their day in court, even if their attempt to halt the tolls failed and the scheme went ahead on Monday.

"There is a very real prejudice motorists will suffer should this scheme turn out to be unlawful. It [this application] is urgent because if this relief is not given before the 30th of April, the horse will have bolted."

  • zipho500 - 2012-04-24 20:20

    Nothing will change my mind,am pretty clear on one thing,i ain't buying no damn e tag,scamral can go hang on gantries!

      jacovniek - 2012-04-25 12:51

      I'm with you zipho500! E-toll can suck my toll-e!

      Gareth - 2012-04-25 13:20

      @jacovniek - that is funny bud... nice chirp.

      Jessica - 2012-04-25 19:58

      @jacovniek if I had one they could suck it too but for now my legs are closed :)

  • Gregory - 2012-04-24 20:22

    It's a obvious scheme to flees money out of the road users for profit , under the auspices of upgrading the roads. An insult to the intelligence of every South African.

  • eugene.meyer1980 - 2012-04-24 20:36

    Lets just get straight to the point here. The state needs R17.2bn to pay for the recent upgrade on the highway (an extra lane). To recover these costs they came up with an idea of e-tolling. Now if e-tolling was purely to recover these costs and also for future upkeep of the roads I would have said "for sure, lets do this". But now we find out that the national pension fund had invested a lot of money into this e-tolling, which means there was profit to be made. Profit which would go to the pockets of government officials, and not to the upkeep of our roads. So SANRAL, why dont you do us a favor and go stuff all those e-tags up your @$$ and get over yourselves. Im NOT getting a e-tag, even if you lock up the ENTIRE Gauteng for not playing into your scheme. Its now time for the public to stand up too government and derail this gravy train. DONT GET A E-TAG.

      Mike Purchase - 2012-04-24 20:39

      Thats why im withdrawing my pension,it will probably get stolen soon.

      Gregory - 2012-04-24 20:41

      Yeah Sanral , lock us all up. The courts are incapable of handling the can of worms you are opening . F***k U Sanral.

      Michele Klemp - 2012-04-24 20:45

      I'm with you 100%!

      Bees - 2012-04-24 21:36

      I wish I didn't have to belong to GEPF. I don't want my money invested by government. I'd rather get another retirement annuity from assupol or old mutual. Nou gaan ek my gat sien deur my onbevoegde werkgewer. En daar is niks wat ek daaraan kan doen nie.

  • Johann - 2012-04-24 20:45

    I cant believe that a group of "grown up" law abiding citizens are not prepared to pay for GREAT roads. Is this in the same spirit as crossing red traffic lights or disobeying rules? Where are we going to?

      IcemanGP - 2012-04-24 20:50

      You're being sarcastic i sincerely hope. Or are you one of the blind idiots that bought an etag?

      Gregory - 2012-04-24 20:54

      Gullible Idiot deserves to be ripped off.

      Jacque - 2012-04-24 20:56

      Johann, please then explain where the road taxes and fuel levies have gone these last 10-15 years? That's right, in the back pockets of government officials. This is just another scheme to extract money from the working class under the pretext that it will be going to the upkeep of the already taxed and fuel levied roads Idiot!!

      Sinjoku - 2012-04-24 21:10

      Please enlighten us as to how a f**king E-tag will stop drunk drivers or people jumping traffic lights....or how an E-tag will stop crime. Please crawl back into whatever home chemistry kit you were hatched from total waste of life.

      thechrisberryshow - 2012-04-24 21:10

      something tells me Johann here rides in a taxi.......or a schoolbus.

      Desmond - 2012-04-24 21:11

      @Johan, you can say that again. Buying the damn e-tag was never a must. If you opt not to pay you can still use the back routes we have all been using. What is the fusss all about??? Paying toll or a new tolling system? I sometimes get confused of what we really fight for?

      nicola.killops - 2012-04-24 21:12

      Spoken like someone with too much money and has never had to commute a day in his life.

      barry.mobey - 2012-04-24 21:15

      Johann… What have you been smoking? How can you be so absolutely myopic? They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance. A nation of sheep will give birth to a government of wolves. This government preaches Liberation and economic freedom, well who apart from the elite few cadres at the top of the food chain, in this country has true economic freedom? Liberation begins when we put self-respect before greed and ignorance… There comes a time in a nation when the wolves have fleeced the sheep, beyond breaking point. Open your eyes, because our problems will not ever disappear, by closing our eyes to them…

      Piet - 2012-04-24 21:24

      Johann, when laws become unjust, protest becomes duty! Or I have a can of vaseline for you my boy.....

      Johann - 2012-04-24 21:30

      Strange how insulting everybody is who does not like what I say. Is this typical? Or am I touching on something still decent whithin?

      Gregory - 2012-04-24 21:35


      Jandl Reevo Reeves - 2012-04-24 21:46

      It is a fact that 30 billion goes missing at Government level every year and the reason why these tolls have to be erected which are There to cover the theft of tax payers money and so that the ANC can continue to live the high corrupt effing bastards.if it's not raping,murdering,attempted murders and house robberies you boogs steal from the very mouths of the people that put you in the positions you are mr president .....

      Cassandra Olivier - 2012-04-24 21:53

      @Joan we have paid back the money for the roads we paid with our tax money on petrol and road levies and money that's meant to be used on the road. They have paid back the loan they just want the money to help support Zuma his wives and 21 children

      Ian - 2012-04-24 22:27

      What the hell are you smoking Johann?

      thechrisberryshow - 2012-04-25 00:28

      my comment wasn't insulting, unless of course you consider yourself too good to ride in a taxi, or be blessed with the innocence of youth... What I find insulting is that you question the maturity of the fellow commentators because they stick up for themselves and you chose to sit in the corner and suck on your shiny e-tag. Personally, I don't question the legality of the e-tolls, I question the motives, rates and disregard for public opinion. I simply cannot afford to pay, my bank balance doesn't allow for this expense. I would much prefer that the newly built lane (singular) be considered as a tollable express lane. If you want "no traffic", use the lane and pay a premium in tolls, the other 3 lanes should remain would even drop the cost of maintaining infrastructure, just simply turn off the cameras watching the other lanes. to equate this public outcry to "running a red traffic light" is lets disregard that you even said that. As too your question. "where are we going?" - I don't know about your flock, but I'm going where I please to, not where I'm pushed to.

  • Mike - 2012-04-24 20:54

    This was underhanded and despicable. THinking that the taxpayer will just roll over and play dead. This is a fight I will not give up on. I dont care about the courts, because the government will put pressure on the courts to ensure they get their own way with the tolls. This is a disgrace. Everyone must stick together DONT BUY AN ETAG!

  • IcemanGP - 2012-04-24 20:54

    declared 4yrs ago! Well it's only very recently that the citizens you want to screw found out what those bloody things were, and how much you wanted to screw the citizens for. SCAMRAL and the cANCer should burn in hell, jus like those gantries.

  • thechrisberryshow - 2012-04-24 21:06

    its like watching a boxing match between David and Goliath!! although I'm uncertain if we, the civilians, are either David OR Goliath.....I'm leaning towards the idea of us being David, considering we're the underdog....what I do know is that Franklin is in our corner, and it sounds like he just landed a sweet left hook :)

      Dave - 2012-04-24 21:12

      Only time will tell us, but one thing I'm sure of, the government thinks we are a bunch of muppets.

  • Dave - 2012-04-24 21:08

    Isn't it extraordinary that we are being pushed closer and closer to acts of civil disobedience? That a government by the people and for the people has turned against the people.. ...they just don not care, and therefore need to suffer the inevitable consequences of their own actions

  • Sheik - 2012-04-24 21:17

    ANC's own 419 e-tag scam.

  • Piet - 2012-04-24 21:23

    Did you see the greedy smile on Nazir Ali's face on the news. It was filled with glee. F bastard!

      Martin - 2012-04-25 07:27

      let them implement it, their fate is sealed

  • Boy Bana - 2012-04-24 22:51

    u must be on sanrals payroll. no one can be this stupid and naive. are u implying that all the people against the tolls are wrong. looks like u in the minor minor minority johan

  • Hudayfah - 2012-04-24 23:00

    Hehehe they tried discussing it for here in Western Cape but, Aunty Zille would have none of it.

  • Stephen - 2012-04-25 10:44

    "Batho pele" meaning People first, that's what they said when they were asking for our votes. Today they say "Pay to use a national asset" or go to jail. I won't buy any e-thief no matter what...

  • Ashwin - 2012-04-25 13:04

    The Asiatic Law Amendment Ordinance of 1906, (SANRAL/GOV LAW). This law proposed that Indians and Chinese were to register their presence in the Transvaal (GET E-TAGS), giving their fingerprints and carrying passes, (ACCESS TO BANK ACCOUNT). The protest to the act united the two communities, (THE POPULATION) and they decided to oppose the Ordinance, (SANRAL/GOV) by peaceful methods. Gandhi spoke to the protestors, with the theme of "violence begets violence" Protestors then marched through Johannesburg, were arrested and thrown into prison at The Fort, a place which Gandhi got to know well over the following years - he was sentenced to spend time there at least four times. the community registered under the law (ILL-INFORMED), but Smuts (SANRAL/GOV) went back on his word - the new law was passed as the Transvaal Asiatic Registration Act of 1907,(SANRAL/GOV GIVING US THE MIDDLE FINGER). In response Gandhi encouraged his colleagues to burn their passes, (E-TAGS AND GANTRIES), which happened outside the Hamidia Mosque in Newtown, at 2 Jennings Street, (GAUTENG AND SOON AROUND THE COUNTRY).

  • Barker - 2012-04-25 13:08

    NOTICE TO ALL: Scamral gantries have more copper in them than 1000 metres of electrical cable.

  • Victoria - 2012-04-25 13:20

    Dear Telkom and Eskom Cable Thieves: It is now time to give back to the Community... Please steal as many E-toll cables as you can.

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