Oscar 'didn't know Reeva was behind door'

2013-02-19 11:26

Pretoria - The State cannot prove that paralympian Oscar Pistorius knew his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp was on the other side of the bathroom door when she was shot, his lawyer said in court on Tuesday.

Evidence would also be brought if needed, of men who had shot their wives or children thinking they were burglars, advocate Barry Roux said at Pistorius's bail application in the Pretoria Magistrate's Court.

Roux said he would also bring evidence of burglaries and robberies at security complexes, if necessary.

Pistorius is charged with the murder of Steenkamp at his home in the early hours of Valentine's Day last week.

A teary-eyed Pistorius watched while Roux countered the State's indication at his first appearance on Friday that it intended arguing that Steenkamp's death was pre-meditated murder.

"We submit it's not even murder," Roux said.

"There's no agreement there, not even concession that this is murder."

Earlier, State prosecutor Gerrie Nel repeated that the State's case was that her death was pre-meditated, and that it rejected that she may have been mistaken for a burglar when she was shot three times through a bathroom door.

"We say this in itself constitutes premeditated murder of a burglar," said Nel.

While this was taking place, the coffin of the model and law graduate was being carried into the chapel at the Victoria Park Crematorium in Port Elizabeth on Tuesday morning for a private family funeral service.

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  • slikhethe33 - 2013-02-19 11:35

    Kaak maan

  • Peter Sabatha - 2013-02-19 11:38

    Thanks my God im not a lawyer.

  • Athalia Maabane - 2013-02-19 11:38

    Okay, let's hear more, this reporting is not sufficient. News 24 update us please.

  • veldt66 - 2013-02-19 11:39


  • Mlungisi Fynn - 2013-02-19 11:39

    Premeditated...regardless who he thought it was.

  • Mlungisi Fynn - 2013-02-19 11:39

    Premeditated...regardless of who he thought it was.

  • john.tex.395 - 2013-02-19 11:40

    It's true about crime in security estates in Pretoria I lived in the Wilds in Pretoria East and we had many robberies and at least two murders in this estate ..

  • veldt66 - 2013-02-19 11:41

    No one should ever die in vain!

  • abdul.cassiem.9 - 2013-02-19 11:41

    Bro tell your lawyer to shut up take the stand tell the truth the whole truth and that's it . Y with all these technicalities YOU and only YOU know what happend. You r becoming a villan now

  • ferdi.preller - 2013-02-19 11:42

    Why was the door kicked down then? Why not leave it for the police to find out who the "burglar" was and find your girlfriend for she is obviously not next to you in bed anymore.... Hearing this heaves me up!

      David Boikhutso - 2013-02-19 12:02

      Ferdi, Oscar's argument is as insulting as our politicians to our national intellect. power does that to people

  • thabo.manganye - 2013-02-19 11:43

    She came to his house around 5/6pm and around 3am when he woke she wasn't by her side , where else could she have been and who shoots first and then breaks the door to rescue the person behind the door? I mean this is just crap pure crap, shows they don't even feel for the bereaved family, this is crap,and now I have lost all the respect for Oscar and have also been left thinking twice about taking law as a profession if one can defend something like this finding it in his heart to try and convince the worl that Oscar is innocent. Drugs guns alcohol and you still want us to buy your cheap story...

  • ferdi.preller - 2013-02-19 11:45

    Oh, and why would a burglar lock himself in a bathroom from the inside??? Each cocking lame story is just adding to the farce factor that is spiraling out of control!

  • Gerald Beer - 2013-02-19 11:47

    The man is outside the bathroom with a gun. He couldn't simply shout who's there? What you are therefore saying is that he planned to murder whoever was in the bathrooom.

  • Yandisa Rwaai - 2013-02-19 11:54

    This clearly means the Steenkamps and South Africa will never know what really happened and why.

  • Mia Mould - 2013-02-19 11:58

    Ok, so I wake up, notice my husband is not next to me in bed, hear something in the bathroom. What do I do....hmmmm.... Maybe call him to see if everything is ok OR do I grab my gun and just shoot through the bathroom door without asking who is there???

      Jennifer Nda - 2013-02-19 12:06

      there u R right my dear,obvious u will know its your husband. So this bastard is a cold-blooded killer!

  • veldt66 - 2013-02-19 12:02

    Perfect comment

  • Bobby Bob'Star Sekobolo - 2013-02-19 12:06

    Da law teaches us dat money controls everything around da globe. If u r financially loaded, it's simple to commit a crime nd get away wit it. Dis guy is guilty bt trust me on dis one, he's going 2 win dis case

  • Jennifer Nda - 2013-02-19 12:09

    this advocate sucks.

  • Tsenolo Ntsane - 2013-02-19 12:13

    I don't know why I'm failing to believe that Oscar thought it was a burglar..I dnt thnk this was premeditated,I do however think it was probably a crime of passion..impulsive and quick

  • Tanya Booysen - 2013-02-19 12:18

    Oh my gosh where did he think she was

      Thilivhali Fitzgerald - 2013-02-19 12:37

      i guess his bed is big he cant knw if she is with him or not

  • Fook Russie - 2013-02-19 12:19

    I can believe that he did not know think he was still half asleep when it happened and is rely devastated so sorry for him coz how do you proof to people you did not mean to do it!! Oscar you in my thoughts xxx

      Mia Mould - 2013-02-19 13:58

      Thank goodness I've never been one of his overnight visitors....

  • Bobbles Cheekaz - 2013-02-19 12:26

    He lost it (anger) why 4 bullets ?

  • Thabo T-Love Thipe - 2013-02-19 12:31

    I wonder what would happen if Pistorius was killed Steenkamp.

  • Thilivhali Fitzgerald - 2013-02-19 12:42

    didnt at least Reeva send a cry for help massage to anyone of her relatives or friends if the argument began the night before at least one person unless she wasnt in danger

  • thabo.manganye - 2013-02-19 12:45

    Oscar for sure didn't know Reeva was behind the door, oscar is very innocent, oscar our hero can never kill her girlfriend, oscar doesn't do drugs yes this could have been true on wednesday the 13th but as it is , all that is crap now the guy is just but guilty very guilty, he is just wasting his money with all those lawyers.

  • Kearabetswe Segakweng - 2013-02-19 12:55

    Pathetic, u fire 3 shots and u can't hear your girlfrnd screem. Really did Oscar didn't knw dat Reeva was in the bathroom?

  • pnondabula - 2013-02-19 12:57

    You are sick. He was still half asleep and still managed to shoot n kill defenceless women. Here u are feeling sorry for him. In ur thoughts ma gosh u a sick.

  • Peter Sabatha - 2013-02-19 13:07

    Ok! Mr know everthing proof it. He din't know was her in bathroom. U talk crap man.

  • Pete7930 - 2013-02-19 13:35

    Lets see... U wake up in the middle of the night, ur partner is not lying next to you, the bathroom is occupied. Who can it be?? Lets shoot off 4 rounds through he door to be safe! Seriously?

      Promise Prettything Mchunu - 2013-02-19 13:58

      This is a honest mistake I believe oscar is not guilty,they only know each athor for two months that's a very short space of time, off couse he didn't know much bout her,he would have just walk away if they were having problem,killing a person(Model) is not like killing a mosquito,his not that dome not to think bout his career

  • Thabo Dijoe - 2013-02-19 13:36

    Wow, law is really something, tjooo...

  • Charity Ntswaki - 2013-02-19 15:07

    Am nt sayng Oscar did de ryt thing bt wht if he was robbed n tried to selfdeffence then wht coz sumwhr sumhow fr de sake f his disability.hav sum simpathy guys he still need a special cell due to his dis.god be wit u Oscar

      Mandla Gubuza - 2013-02-19 17:01

      Ntswaki you are speaking utter rubbish!!!!! A life was taken, a selfless soul the law is the law and NO ONE Is above the law, I suggest you keep your rubbish to yourself

      malopesandhislebeloane.matlala - 2013-03-03 18:37

      UrĂ° stupid

  • Mandla Gubuza - 2013-02-19 17:02

    Premeditated murder it is...

  • bill.kerr.549 - 2013-02-20 07:07

    Why would she lock the toilet door if she did not feel threatened?

  • George Mokaila - 2013-02-21 14:10

    The Limb Runner is at his typical tricks again. How the hell did he quietly sneak up to his wife with those steel thingies on his limbs anyway? Chuck Norris is a rookie when it comes to Oscar.

  • George Mokaila - 2013-02-21 14:27

    Who kicked the door open on his behalf anyway after shooting his wife 4 times with a 44 magnum pistol? Why even finish her off with a cricket bat to ensure her death? I smell mental institution if found guilty.

  • jackmatome.mogale - 2013-02-24 10:04

    it is self-evident that the guy was chaeted and betrayed by his girlfriend and he percieved that if might end up in a devorce situation, so he decided to abolish his fiance and thought he can find a way to avoid imprisonment

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