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Pallo Jordan and his PhD still missing

2014-08-10 10:10

Johannesburg - ANC stalwart Pallo Jordan appears to have gone to ground following revelations that he does not hold a PhD as claimed on his CV.

According to the Sunday Times, Jordan, who has long gone by the title "Dr", is nowhere to be found following revelations last Sunday that he does not hold any degree.

The newspaper reports that Business Day has also dropped him as a columnist after he failed to meet his deadline and that close friends, comrades and neighbours have not seen nor heard from him these past few days.

No comment from ANC

When asked by the newspaper to respond, ANC spokesperson Zizi Kodwa said the party was not ready to comment.

News of Jordan's fake qualifications broke last weekend when the Sunday Times reported that no evidence could be found that Jordan had any degrees despite his CV claiming he has degrees from the University of Wisconsin-Madison and the London School of Economics (LSE).

The office of the registrar at LSE told the publication: "We can find no record of Zwelidinga Pallo Jordan having been awarded a PhD from the school."

The newspaper said it had tried to get Jordan to confirm his qualifications but to no avail.

The office of the student services registrar at the University of Wisconsin-Madison confirmed that Jordan did study there, but he obtained only 97 credits between 16 September 1963 and 24 February 1964 and never completed his degree, according to the newspaper.

Jordan is a former minister of arts and culture, minister of environmental affairs, and minister of posts, telecommunications and broadcasting.

Mixed reactions to Jordan claims

Following last week's report questioning Jordan's qualifications, a number of prominent South Africans have come out in support of him. According to a report on Politicsweb, former Gauteng Education MEC Professor Mary Metcalfe came to his defence on Facebook, citing the fact that CVs sometimes contain abbreviated information. She also praised the intellectual contribution made by Jordan: "Pallo performs way ahead of the pack. It should not be the case that we value him (and others in a similar position) less because of the absence of formal qualifications."

Politicsweb also quoted Professor Steven Friedman, director of the Centre for the Study of Democracy at the University of Johannesburg as having said on Facebook that formal qualifications are not necessarily a good test of a person's intellectual abilities.

Jordan is known to be outspoken, a quality that may have contributed to his being removed from his role as a cabinet minister in 1998. According to the Christian Science Monitor, Jordan allegedly objected to policies around the use of the public broadcaster, citing the importance of press freedom from government interference.



Comments
  • Aaron Aden - 2014-08-10 10:13

    When will this joke of ANCSA ever end. Africans are a special bunch.

      Nobantu Mbude - 2014-08-10 10:36

      Aaron Aden, you not African, what are you

      Enig Ma - 2014-08-10 10:48

      Saw Pallo marching for "Pallostine" yesterday in Cape Town. Same corrupt thinking.

      Henning Jeremia Bester - 2014-08-10 11:01

      Many high ranking officials in government and elsewhere make use of fake qualifications to get the job or to build their own esteem. And those who have to verify these qualifications do not have the know-how to do this.

      Naas Du Plessis - 2014-08-10 14:08

      I agree with you. Many okes don't have qualifications but because they are black and know certain people so qualifications don't matter. Sabc boss, zuma etc. all these okes are just here to rape the system.

      Craig Drysdale - 2014-08-10 16:14

      official biographer. Does the dude actually believe people want to read about this fraud.

      Kenny Williams - 2014-08-10 17:24

      This fraud will not be prosecuted, he will not apologize. He is so thick skinned that he actually wants to sue the newspaper. He is a total moron and hopefully he will remain out of sight for the rest of his miserable life.

      Ken Rudolph - 2014-08-10 21:27

      @Jannie Koekemoer - If all the politicians who falsely claim degrees on their CV's disappeared would there still be anyone left to run the country (into the ground?)?

      Neville Graham - 2014-08-11 01:22

      Hahaha, nobody should be surprised at all the ''fakes/phonies'' creeping out of the anc woodwork anymore...then you have a very highly connected individual who has a useless degree in ANTHROPOLOGY, of all things, which gives very limited job opportunities, yet this person has a top job in another field, which has absolutely nothing to do with anthropology????

      Dunte Devante - 2014-08-11 09:40

      Qualifications don't gaurantee that you're intelligent or even capable of being successful in your job. Robert Mugabe is the most academically qualified head of state in Africa yet his decisions and leadership clearly define him as a not so intelligent person. The quality of a public official should be based on their contribution and ability to address their people's plight, which may or may not be possible without a formal qualification. I'm not trying to condone Pallo's actions because he decieved an entire nation, which is unforgiveable. All I'm saying is instead of attacking the man, we should rather begin a conversation of the true essence and relevance of qualified public officials seeing as the laws don't specify whether an MP needs to be formally educated or not and to which level.

      Zuma Etolls - 2014-08-11 09:43

      @Greald you want to compare the actions of 2 Tuks students to 4000 white farmers murdered by blacks? You prove the lack of logic that plagues the black man. White people born in Africa are not Europeans they are white Africans you tool. And you should thank God for their presence. Without them you would be suffering like your brothers in the rest of Africa. I for one cannot wait for your "new broom" so that you can learn to appreciate the white man after he has left.

      Phalo Yem Yem Togu - 2014-08-11 09:47

      Sies maan.

  • Akhenaten C.T. - 2014-08-10 10:15

    Run Pallo run. We don't take kindly to lies. We have been hearing too many from the politicians.

      Andrew Terr - 2014-08-10 12:02

      He's got a Playa Hating Degree.

      fargone - 2014-08-10 16:22

      Where there is one , there are many, can you imagine what all the "degreed" politicians in govt are costing the tax payer, bearing in mind that the likes of Pallo demand big salaries. Funny we have not heard the typical ANC "we condemn this" speech. No they don't condemn it, because thee is no integrity!

      Gerasimos Komnenus - 2014-08-10 18:48

      Always these ANC politicians want something for nothing. They wanted SA and they got it now they are breaking it. Just like kids in a playpen. I want I want I want. They play with the lives of millions with the fraud they perpetrate on the people of SA. Freedom Charter indeed ! All trash all vanity and avarice in the name of freedom. LOL Pallo is a prime example of ANC delusional sanctimonious leadership.

  • Frank Collier - 2014-08-10 10:17

    What did you really expect from the ANC?

  • Richard Young - 2014-08-10 10:18

    It just never ends

  • Karl Kat - 2014-08-10 10:19

    Fraudulent and corrupt mindsets, a phenomenon in the new SA

      Carmen Smidt - 2014-08-12 12:25

      I am ANC and I am not fraudulent. I still believe in the principles of the movement founded in the freedom charter. In every organization there are human beings and they can do wrong but the fact that Pallo Jordaan admitted to this is commendable. I quote " A man must be big enough to admit his mistakes, smart enough to profit from them, and strong enough to correct them" John C. Maxwell The fact that Pallo Jordan was brave enough to admit is important and in we should forgive him as South Africans as we all make mistakes. There are many people in institutions from other organizations that are white that hold senior positions without papers so why do you want to direct this as a ANC issue. Qualifications don't make a person, there are people have qualifications and they are not even able to do the actual operational and implementation of tasks. There are however, those that have qualifications that are able to perform and excel with great excellence. Education is not necessarily institutionalized, education should be a every day experience in all we do. Because one person makes a mistake you want to label all South Africans the same. It is important for anyone who makes statements not just to create assumptions but be factual. I do not believe you have factual information about the new South Africa . The question to asks is who made you the judge and jury of South Africa?

  • Carel G Nel - 2014-08-10 10:20

    Dr. NO: Gone fishing!!! "I almost got away."

  • Harley Quin - 2014-08-10 10:24

    I am not even surprised, just par for the course with these guys

  • Chris Barton - 2014-08-10 10:24

    Pathological liars. All of them...

  • Xenswim1 - 2014-08-10 10:26

    Well at least we know that our president passed std 2 and he was a herd boy. that he never tried to better himself academically Now what does that tell you about the rest of the ANC with their fancy degrees? That their education is no better maybe? Maybe the reason to have taken 20 years to find the PJ truth is that he is no longer feared by those in the media and within the ANC.

  • Craig Drysdale - 2014-08-10 10:26

    Give the guy a chance. It takes time to buy a degree. He has to make sure it seems legit. What a joke and typical anc member. Another great example set. Thief.

  • Finya Ngendololwane - 2014-08-10 10:29

    In 2004 there was a lot of noise and question marks about John Kerry's military qualifications and honors but look at his sterling job he is doing with his shuffle diplomacy in the Middle East. There is also a certain US senate John Walsh whose military qualifications are being questioned right now . One US political candidate also resigned after he was found not have been in the US special force as he had claimed . Israeli ex-president has been found guilt of corruption and their ex-president is in jail for rape or something. The list goes on. So this is just a storm in a tea cup

      Erna Westdyk - 2014-08-10 10:50

      Finya - ever heard of the saying 'two wrongs don't make a right'? This belief that lying is okay must stop in this country. How often don't we get told - he only lied he didn't kill someone? Well, let me tell you - corruption starts with the little things, like lying!

      Johan Bester - 2014-08-10 10:50

      And then we don't talk of the missing birth certificate, who is that fraud again..ooo Obama!

      Finya Ngendololwane - 2014-08-10 11:06

      @johan. There were also question marks about the birth certificate of British ex-Prime Minister John Major as well as his schooling and academic history. Americans are also punching holes on McCain's fighter jet crash survival and imprisonment in Vietnam and how he used that to gain votes as some people think and the list goes on . I don't understand why people expect ANC politicians to be angels. Trying to find a truthful politician in this planet is like trying to find an honest used car salesman. Impossible!

      Finya Ngendololwane - 2014-08-10 11:37

      The only time when politicians sound a bit convincing is when they are on the opposition camp. Remember how Benjamin Netanyahu,when he was the chairman of Israeli opposition, called for ex-Prime Minister's investigation after the dismal failures of theLebanon 2nd war just 8 years ago. Now that he is power will call for the same. The list goes on.

      Nhlakanipho Shezi - 2014-08-10 11:56

      @Finya a DA mp lied about being born in South africa.The saints(DA)party defended her.

      Rocky Bell - 2014-08-10 12:16

      Shezi........please stop to embarrass yourself. Eish.........and google is just a pc key away. Same reason this Jordan fraud didn't know of better

      Rocky Bell - 2014-08-10 12:29

      delusions of grandeur eish...........

      Chris Felton - 2014-08-10 12:34

      The problem is Finya, with this current group of leaders the storms keep coming and the tea cup was stolen a longtime ago.

      Terry Burne - 2014-08-11 07:22

      Finya - you have actually highlighted the lack of integrity of the ANC! Your own quote - "...one US Senator RESIGNED when it was found that he did not belong to the special forces the he had claimed to belong to" .... " .. One former Israili president is in jail for rape...". Now how does the cANCer treat these same indiscretions.... By defending and protecting the liars and the rapists! That is the difference between First World countries and the cANCer - it is called integrity, and the cANCer wouldn’t know it if it hit them on the head! Liars and criminals the lot of them - and you want to defend that? It tells us a lot about you too!

  • Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2014-08-10 10:30

    Maybe he is keeping Karl Niehaus company.

      Finya Ngendololwane - 2014-08-10 11:25

      No no jail. They say behind a miserable down-and out man is a woman. Karl divorced a very very good and humble white woman and they say he then married a young woman who could shop, shop and shop

      Rocky Bell - 2014-08-10 11:55

      ....and Ebrahim Rasool, Hein Grosskopf and all other terrorists

      Sheik Mohammad - 2014-08-10 20:50

      .........is that Prof. Karl?

  • Nobantu Mbude - 2014-08-10 10:39

    Surprised how certain people can go to extremes, just for the sake of status

      Rocky Bell - 2014-08-10 12:20

      You so right..........."I, me and myself" is all that counts.

  • Nomcebo Ngidi - 2014-08-10 10:40

    The ANC is not responsible for verification of certificates and degrees of members except if the member applies for a certain position in movement. .When the member is deployed to gov its only when a member is required to declare qualifications.The honour is upon a member to declare qualificaton and interest

      Esther de Waal - 2014-08-10 10:50

      Oh rubbish. It's common (sense) practice to require proof of qualifications.

      Karl Kat - 2014-08-10 11:03

      @Nomcebo...that's exactly the point, the principle of honour and honestly does not exist in the ANC

      thomas.paine.946517 - 2014-08-10 11:25

      Honour??

      Gerasimos Komnenus - 2014-08-10 18:53

      Of course the ANC is responsible for nothing! The curse of our current regime .....accountable for naught. You talk of honour....LOL this is not a word the ANC leadership understands or comprehends.

      Sheik Mohammad - 2014-08-10 20:52

      Remember the ANC struggle slogan of "Pass one, Pass all"?

  • AndrĂ© Van Wyk - 2014-08-10 10:42

    ANC tried their best to keep this story hidden by "directing" the media to the not so important blackfacing article. I hope we can get answers now.

  • Dumisani Mbense - 2014-08-10 10:42

    At least there's one good thing about jacob zuma,never lied about his qualifications

      Zodwa Gqirana - 2014-08-10 10:50

      Zuma is noot mentioned here rite .

      Sheik Mohammad - 2014-08-10 20:55

      maybe never lied about his qualifications, but lied about everything else.

      Havalarf Allday - 2014-08-11 16:11

      Zumpies is proud of his qualification.

  • Adaman Saddam - 2014-08-10 10:44

    what as suprise

      Mark Tunstall - 2014-08-10 15:28

      You should not be surprised, it's the norm

  • Consortium Scenarios - 2014-08-10 10:46

    Golden rule of SA politics...be corrupt but don't get caught or what people don't know can't hurt them...this is too much corruption by any standards!

  • Ceeyahbonga Even Madlala - 2014-08-10 10:47

    Pallo Jordan does have a PHD = Passed High-school with Difficultly loool loool

  • Enzo Banks - 2014-08-10 10:47

    Its not that he doesn't have the degrees that is the problem. Many people, very smart people, do not have university degrees. Many extremely stupid people actually do have university degrees. Its the lying, fraud and deceit that is the problem here.

      michael.tetley.35 - 2014-08-10 10:53

      Agreed!

      Erna Westdyk - 2014-08-10 10:58

      Well said! Corruption starts with the little things, like lying about your qualifications! Lying seems to be parr for the course in SA.

  • Ntlanganiso Qwabe - 2014-08-10 10:50

    Lies are never successful in life as they always catch up with you.

  • Leigh-anne Baaliah - 2014-08-10 10:51

    So both him and his degree is missing- do what ull usually do and appoint a commission of enquiry. That should cost a couple of mil and somebody in the government stands to benefit, and with the change ull can buy the degree for him.

  • Malose-Nyatlo - 2014-08-10 10:52

    Very disturbing if proven true. We might even, like Eugene Nyati, wonder if he is South African at all or even if those names are his indeed. What else lies in the skeleton cupboard of our comrade leaders?

  • Kweba Dudu - 2014-08-10 10:54

    At least he went further than grade 4

  • Sthembiso Jali - 2014-08-10 10:54

    Maybe he's gone to London to fetch his degree. Give the guy a break. Junos with their cheap politics perpetrated by naive propaganda from the opposition.

      Seek Anfind - 2014-08-10 11:17

      you sound so silly when you try turn this into a conspiracy theory. .

      Nhlakanipho Shezi - 2014-08-10 11:46

      That is true Sthembiso,maybe there is a mix up at the university .It is easy for media to write big stories and make it headlines.But once the trueth is out they will write an apology where no one will see that they have tendered their apology.Why don't we wait for Jordan to give us his version and then Judge him.We should remember that media is out there to make profit,they don't care about trueth.

  • Nelson Sibeko - 2014-08-10 10:58

    Enzo, I couldn't agree more...

  • Willie Olivier - 2014-08-10 11:03

    I think this is only the tip of the iceberg!

  • Terry Warren - 2014-08-10 11:08

    I've got a doctorate in rocket science and forensics.... I can spot hot air coming out of lying empty vessels from a mile away. I got them from the university of Lucky Packetis

  • Archie Dempster - 2014-08-10 11:08

    The trouble is if people lie about their qualifications they can lie about everything

  • gt.dupreez - 2014-08-10 11:09

    Anybody know the legal route for this kind of fraud? What about those with degrees from fake universities?

  • Prince EA - 2014-08-10 11:10

    Typical of ANC

  • riaan.vanderwalt.961 - 2014-08-10 11:10

    He's probably also gonna blame apartheid now, he should have rather concentrated on finishing he's degree instead of wasting time throwing racial slurs at Margaret Thatcher and how she supported apartheid#uneducated

  • Bob Small - 2014-08-10 11:12

    Well we all know now that when thier lips move.....they telling a lie! So whats new?

  • Rocky Bell - 2014-08-10 11:13

    PHD = Push Here Dummy for your fake qualification certificate.

      Havalarf Allday - 2014-08-11 11:03

      Quick question. How can the PhD be missing as well, if it never existed. Just a thought.

  • Gert Barnard - 2014-08-10 11:17

    He is ANC, right? Why be confused?

  • Zodwa Gqirana - 2014-08-10 11:21

    No wonder mos Academics are undermined ,underpayed its bcoz our leaders are clueless on how to get a degree . We know its not aprerequisite to get to parliament and to be a minister of whatever , but to lie about having a PhD is another story that shows acts of desperation to be recognised and respected

      Mvuic Mhlana - 2014-08-11 11:32

      Its such a shame, so many people with qualifications being looked down on by what is so called ''leaders'' mxm siqeshwe ngezo degree ko shopbrite,si driver ngazo iitaxi

  • Vince Muller - 2014-08-10 11:21

    Now, how many other "senior" ANC members does have legitimate qualifications??? It's no wonder why the new South Africa under the leadership of the ANC is such a disaster...... disrespect to the people of South Africa if you ask me... and a bunch of liars..

  • Strike Maduna - 2014-08-10 11:23

    He was busy fighting de apartheid system dats y he never finished his degree, I blame apartheid for dat, don't blame de anc

      Alan Smith - 2014-08-10 11:24

      Hahahaha. Funniest thing I've heard all day.

      Venicia Williams - 2014-08-10 11:39

      the fact remains that he LIED about his credentials!

      Jeff Potgieter - 2014-08-10 12:08

      thats the problem all ways blaming apartheid even when they get out in there own lies.there is just no end to them.

      Jeff Baxter - 2014-08-10 12:23

      Tjo! Can i be a Dr tooo. Ag pleez? I can produce fake struggle papers. In fact i can get a fake degree if i try. Its not about the degree, its about his LUE!

      Jeff Baxter - 2014-08-10 15:09

      Tjo! Can i be a Dr tooo. Ag pleez? I can produce fake struggle papers. In fact i can get a fake degree if i try. Its not about the degree, its about his LUE!

      Jeff Baxter - 2014-08-10 15:11

      Tjo! Can i be a Dr tooo. Ag pleez? I can produce fake struggle papers. In fact i can get a fake degree if i try. Its not about the degree, its about his LUE!

      Riaan Du Plessis - 2014-08-11 12:06

      Probably the fault of apartheid that you are capable of such drivel as well

  • Coda - 2014-08-10 11:28

    Does anyone actually believe he will find it? hahahaha

  • Lukas Ekisjouvaader - 2014-08-10 11:35

    A politician pretending to have a degree is not the same as a student pretending to be a maid?

      Rocky Bell - 2014-08-10 12:33

      That's true!! Pallo also "made" it to the front page.

  • William Hallett - 2014-08-10 11:35

    You just can't trust any of these MONGRELS!!!!

  • Victor Cover Mkhaliphi - 2014-08-10 11:37

    Pallo will not escape the media, especially because there is no other sensational story doing rounds currently. But then I guess Jordan brought this on himself.

  • Bastille French - 2014-08-10 11:47

    Give the doctor a break, henry ford had no phd's when he built the motor industry, walt disney had no phd when he built animation industry, the founder of reliance industries worked as a migrant worker in yemen before he built the largest company in india. We are all phd's we just do not know it yet. The doctor was born with a phd embedded in his cerebral cortex. And so are you and i. We are phd's all we have to do is find those damn phd's before they find us, because if they find us we maybe holding undergraduate degrees.

  • Bastille French - 2014-08-10 11:48

    Give the doctor a break, henry ford had no phd's when he built the motor industry, walt disney had no phd when he built animation industry, the founder of reliance industries worked as a migrant worker in yemen before he built the largest company in india. We are all phd's we just do not know it yet. The doctor was born with a phd embedded in his cerebral cortex. And so are you and i. We are phd's all we have to do is find those damn phd's before they find us, because if they find us we maybe holding undergraduate degrees.

      freeman.segapu - 2014-08-10 12:03

      Hey french guy do you have any idea of what's being discussed here. Here we are talking about our vat our tax our government people put in power by people parliamentarians we are not talking about ownership of coke or danone here

      Shayne Ronald Barker - 2014-08-10 12:34

      Yeah you could be right. Who cares. But I bet they didn't draw up a false CV claiming they did.

      Rocky Bell - 2014-08-10 12:36

      BF...pulling the socks over our heads??

      Bastille French - 2014-08-10 13:31

      All i am trying 2 say freeman, shayne, barker is that the world was built by all sorts of people. Some of them were phd's, some were farmers, some were paraplegics, some slept in freight train coaches and stood in front of thomas edison and demanded a job and they went on to be millionaires, some were dyslexic but are billionaires, some dropped out of reed college and went on to build technology empire, some spent three decades in prison and went on to unite countries in democratic participation. Some escaped communism landed in america with nothing, and built amazing companies. The doctor himself is a man of the highest cognitive capacity. To me he is a doctor because he managed to be a national minister. If u can be a minister then to me u r a doctor.

      Bastille French - 2014-08-10 14:08

      With all due respect freeman, the people who own coke and danone are the same people who pay 60 percent of govt taxes so that election can take place. By dismissing the owners of coke and danone u r being disengenuous to the highest possible degree. A country that has no owners of coke and danone is a country that sits at the bottom of development rankings. We need owners of coke and danone my friends make no mistake about that

  • Rendani Nemavhidi - 2014-08-10 11:48

    Oh no I pray this turns out to be false. Surely we need to remain with some credible people in the country!

  • Prince EA - 2014-08-10 11:49

    Does fighting de apartheid justify his lies?

      Rocky Bell - 2014-08-10 12:36

      ........care to elaborate on your comment?

      Chris Felton - 2014-08-10 12:44

      As soon as we start seeking reasons to justify lies we are screwed. Anyway only a liar looks for reasons to justify lies.

  • Jeff Potgieter - 2014-08-10 11:59

    and so they all get caught out one by one they are just to stupid and dom to do any thing worth while or contribute ,except fill there pockets through coruption and other means

  • Brolloks En Bittergal - 2014-08-10 12:00

    You anti-ANC people carrying on like this: I have news for you. Pallo Jordan, Carl Nieuhaus, Hluadi Motsoeneg and I each passed our matric with flying colours unlike that stupid Malema. Whilst Hlaudi became a news reader like Riaan Cruywagen, Pallo and Carl Nieuhaus and I then went on to study further, we all majored in ethics. We all studied at the same University. It is the school of ethics at a well-known University sponsored inter alia by the Zuma, Shaik and Gupta families. That is where we got our PhD's from. Okay?

      Lukas Ekisjouvaader - 2014-08-10 12:04

      Pretending that Hluadi can read spoil the story Brolloks - the rest is spot-on.

      Zodwa Gqirana - 2014-08-10 21:02

      Oooooorder Brollocks we are talking about PhD fraudulently used to gain status by PJ. . Let me take this opportunity anD congratulate all those matritulants of that year and thank you to stand as a witness that he passed Grade 12 . The exact bone of contention now is PhD you still not talked about it . We still waiting Sir .with due respect respod to this .

      Zodwa Gqirana - 2014-08-10 21:26

      I'm tempted to protect Malema from you as this time he has done nothing sstupid its PJ don't use psychology of using Malema as you know he is the most hatred men ever . Thanks to his stupidity bcoz we are able today to know the salaries of the MP's 2 .That MP's eat free non stop in Parliament whilst they exubant amounts , they are transprted free whilst poor workers and unemployed use taxis on portholed roads , no wonder there is negligency towards emancipation of the poor. Malema's topic of being sTupid is another days debate whereby I will tell you he is bashed bcz of hIs low socio economic status of his back ground if he was the child of one of elites you should overlooked it . For now let's contain our Debate to PJ thank you

  • Zilindile Simanga - 2014-08-10 12:03

    Lying 4 a position makes me wonder how many lies u've got once positioned...

  • Botty Lesele - 2014-08-10 12:12

    Why worry about jordan's qualifications c0s in sa qualification does'nt matter,as long as u ar a politician u can occupy any position.in schools we have principals nd circuit managers who have diplomas only.Leave jordan alone

      Chris May - 2014-08-10 15:12

      The lying is the problem.