Parties want Cele gone

2012-05-25 14:58

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma must fire suspended police commissioner Bheki Cele, opposition political parties said on Friday.

According to media reports the board of inquiry into Cele's fitness to hold office recommended he be removed from his job.

The presidency however, warned journalists to "be cautious" in the way they report on the matter.

"The board has apparently found that Cele lacked the capacity to execute his official duties efficiently and was not fit to hold office," DA MP Dianne Kohler-Barnard said.

"President Zuma must act swiftly and decisively upon the recommendations of the board and sack Bheki Cele as top cop once and for all."

Cele denies wrongdoing

Zuma appointed the board in November to probe Cele's fitness to remain in office and allegations of misconduct relating to two leases for new police headquarters in Pretoria and Durban, which Cele signed with businessman Roux Shabangu.

Zuma suspended Cele in October 2011.

Public Protector Thuli Madonsela found Cele's action pertaining to the leases was improper, unlawful, and amounted to misconduct.

The team which led evidence against Cele in the inquiry called for his dismissal. He denies any wrongdoing.

Board of inquiry chairperson Judge Jakes Moloi presented the inquiry's report to Zuma on May 20.

The report "found Cele's misconduct as national police commissioner, and his apparent unlawful conduct", further proved he was unable to hold office, Kohler-Barnard said.

She said there was speculation that former ANC chief whip and current labour department director general Nkosinathi Nhleko would replace Cele.

Acting top cop ‘out of favour’ with Zuma

This, she said, did not bode well for the police, who had been virtually "crippled at the top" by Cele and former commissioner Jackie Selebi.

"The appointment of Adv Nhleko, another career politician with no experience in the police, would be disastrous," she said.

Acting police commissioner Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi had apparently "fallen out of favour" with Zuma due to his growing and unexpected resistance to "executive interference".

"The president must demonstrate that fighting crime is a priority for government," Kohler-Barnard said.
The Congress of the People welcomed the board's "recommendation" to release Cele.

"This is a logical turn of events when people holding high office behave in the manner he did," the party said.

"Cele is yet another case that is painting a bleak picture for our hard-earned democracy."

Legal action

Cele's lawyer, Vincent Maleka, and spokesperson, Vuyo Mkhize, were unavailable for comment on Friday afternoon.

Mkhize however, was quoted in The Witness newspaper on Friday saying Cele would consider "all available avenues to challenge the validity of the report, including a review application to the high court".

Maleka said on Thursday he had not seen the inquiry's report, and so could not confirm whether it had been recommended that Cele be removed.

  • FreeSpeech - 2012-05-25 15:05

    The police commissioner should pay more attention to institutional racism. White people are still advantaged due the residual effects of 400 years of formal white supremacy and ongoing racism known as institutional racism not to mention the violations of BEE and AA laws. A recent study in the USA found that job applicants with white sounding names were more likely to be called back for job interviews than applicants with black sounding names. It's probably the same here in SA

      Michaele - 2012-05-25 15:08

      Really!! From the bush you are obviously!! BEE/AA is a failure, it stagnates the progress in this country. And what has white got to do with Celes inability to think/strategize ??

      dean.polley.3 - 2012-05-25 15:10

      Yes, it's exactly like that in South Africa today, except that it's white sounding names that are not called back for job interviews because the jobs have been reserved for blacks. Reverse racism in action. ABLACKHEID - South Africa's new Apartheid.

      brianmacza - 2012-05-25 15:11

      Interesting... My white kids aren't eligible for employment due to BBBEE yet they are 'advantaged'. I find that a bit of a conflicting message. With BBBEE 'institutionalised racism' is pretty much the rule - I don't see how 400 years has anything to do with it. Perhaps FreeSpeech isn't that much of a FreeThinker and is more of an ANC FanBoi

      FreeSpeech - 2012-05-25 15:13

      @Dean: Here's an article on white privilege by a white woman: "Perhaps some examples will help make clearer some of the more subtle privileges white people enjoy. When I, as a white woman, enter a shop, the security guard does not single me out as a likely shoplifter. When I am making calls to find a place to rent, my accent and name are unlikely to result in the property owner pretending that a tenant has already been found. All the local schools are happy to have my white son. I am not afraid that if I set off the burglar alarm at my house, the security guards will arrive and arrest me. My students don’t question my credentials when I arrive to give them a lecture, nor do they suspect me of being an “affirmative action” appointment. If I make a mistake at work I do not worry that my mistake will confirm a stereotype others have of people of my race. I am given the benefit of the doubt. People call me “ma’am”. In countless ways, every day, my decency, honesty and propriety are assumed, making it easier for me to move confidently and smoothly through my day. When we speak of white privilege and when we say that white people were—and indeed in many ways continue to be—privileged, we refer not only to concrete benefits, but also to these more subtle ways in which white people are affirmed and black people denigrated both in South Africa and in many other places. "

      Nigel - 2012-05-25 15:21

      Yes. Now ask why. Racism? think again.

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-25 15:22

      FreeSpeech, What bloody rubbish are you spewing? In case you have not noticed,the PRESIDENT OF THE US is a black man.This is a good example of how things work in a propper democracy that does not have BBEE and AA discriminatory laws where people compete based on merit not on entitlement. How does that apply to SA, where the racist laws allow companies to advertize that black applicants will be favoured? Institutional racism does exist in all spheres except of govt related employement all races other than blacks have been victimized and marginalised. this repeats itself in all universities. Sadly some of the private enterprises have also been forced to adopt racist regulations, but not all of them. some of us still employ people based on their ability, regardless of the colour of their skin. If I can give you one advise is that you should rather let everyone think you're an idiot than open your mouth (or post) and prove them right...

      FreeSpeech - 2012-05-25 15:28

      @danny: Affirmative action: In a 20 lap foot race, if athlete A has a 5 lap head start but athlete B finishes the 20 lap race only 2 laps behind athlete A, who is the faster runner? According to your "qualifications (medals)" superficial mindset, athlete A is better because he won the gold medal but technically, athlete B is faster so I would want Athlete B in my relay team even though he didn't get the gold medal. You see you're a typical whitey, ignoring historical context and looking at the current situation in a vacuum.

      Kala - 2012-05-25 15:39

      @FreeSpeech - This is a story about a dodgy ploice commissioner who, through his deeds, could have cost us, the tax payers billions of Rands. I firstly don't see how you can support this, and secondly don't see WTF race has to do with it. Of all the comments here you are the first (again) to pull the race card which is a weak attempt at trying to justify the immorality of the current regime.

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-25 15:41

      Hey Freespecch, can any of you lot not have a debate without bringing up racist insults? (Whitey) Would you feel better if I called you a "darkie"?, I think not.. I'm not about to stoop down to your level. As I said earlier, I employ people based on merit only and I'm happy to keep my company at a size where the racist laws don't apply to it.

      John - 2012-05-25 15:45

      @Danny: Who would you want in your relay team: athlete A (white) or athlete B (black)?

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-25 15:53

      Freespeech, I'd like ot comment on your response to Dean. The security guards (hardly any of them are white these days) are suspicious of black people because in their experience they are the most likely to steal. (you like using history as a reason? here you are) Whites are not suspected of being and "affirmative action appointment" simply because AA favours blacks, not the other way (did you really not know that?) Armed response people responding to alarm activations are also suspicous of black people because in the majority of the cases, they are perpetrated by black people (yeah, I know... Apartheid is also used as an excuse) don't blame the security guards, it's not their fault that black people are responsible for most violent crime in the country, they are just trying to do their job and BTW, these days many of them are also not white (AA is responsible for this) Now you bring up the teachers, do you know from what population group are most teachers (if not all) who assault and rape (having sex with a minor is classified as rape) their students?? not to mention that these teachers are soo good at teaching that the country considers 30% as a passing grade and even then many of their students fail to pass. Now, you were saying???

      Wikus - 2012-05-25 16:03

      Just for interest's sake on the relay metaphor: Usain Bolt is surely not white, and all will pick him in their team. Why, because he's the fastest and best at what he does...

      John - 2012-05-25 16:05

      @Danny: "avatar danny.levin.351 - May 25, 2012 at 15:53 Report comment Freespeech, I'd like ot comment on your response to Dean. The security guards (hardly any of them are white these days) are suspicious of black people because in their experience they are the most likely to steal. (you like using history as a reason? here you are) " Wrong! You see it's wrong for suecurity guards to be assuming that blacks are trouble causers simply because less than 2% of all blacks in SA are theives therefore over 90% of blacks are innocent so you should give us the presumption "innocent till proven guilty". Statisitlcally, blacks are more likely to be law abiding than than law breaking so your logic is non existent on that one.

      John - 2012-05-25 16:10

      @Danny: According to your logic or lack thereof, it's right that Muslim travelers face extra scrutiny at airports just because 17 out of 1.5 BILLION Muslims were terrorists. That makes no fking sense.

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-25 16:27

      FreeSpeech, Right, I think you need to address your bitterness to the security guards and armed response chaps. maybe start your own security company and tell them to ignore the principles of risk assesment. While you are at it, please ask them when last were they shot at by a white person... (make sure to ask the guys that do cash in transit when where they last shot at or robbed by a white man) Whether we like it or not, facts are facts and we need to accept them. As for Muslims being scrutinized at airports, I'm sure it's not nice for them but please tell us when last was a plane bombing, a plane hijacking carried out by non muslims? you may find that the last plane hijacking where two of the 8 terrorists were not muslims was in 1976. they received refuge in Entebbe, which did not help them much as a certain defense force found it close enough to rescue the hostages. And for the true gem that you posted...Please explain again how a white woman benefits from AA?

      Jacobus - 2012-05-25 16:51

      @FreeSpeech, ok, you want to bring up 400 years ago, advantaged and disadvantage.. now why did the Europeans arrived in large sail boats, Aricans used hollow tree stumps to go up or down stream, why did the Europeans build brick and stone houses while the Africans lived in clay huts, why did the Europeans build raods and wagons while the Aficans walked or ride horses or oxen? I would suggest a tour through Sterkfontein and Kromdraai just outside Mogale City, the stronger species moved north when food and climate changed, the lesser stronger ones stayed behind, every biotic organism envolved so did humans... and back to the subject, Celle must go, he stole and is not fit (health) to run his department..

  • Michaele - 2012-05-25 15:05

    JZ has too much other things on his mind to attend to this, women/corruption/works of art etc., poor fellow so stressed. Sack the idot/s

  • Motho - 2012-05-25 15:09

    This is what Thuli Mandosela said for sometime now; therefore, there is nothing new and JZ should have acted then.

  • Bryan - 2012-05-25 15:13

    I see a rather substantial Golden handshake on the horizon...

  • Bambanani - 2012-05-25 15:20

    cele is gone,but it doesnt matter who j z appoint as LONG he is black,the racist of this world will complain including the chief of racist barnard of DA.

      Kala - 2012-05-25 15:41

      Babanani - LOL. That's a very funny comment.

      Slick - 2012-05-25 15:47

      @ Bambino this is for you especially...hahah Bheki..... your comrade Selebi tried to challenge justice like you will attempt to do and he ended up where???? Ohhhhh thats right...Jail for 15 years with COSTS of the appeal case awarded against him right? LOL you are just another delusional eejit dude. DEAL with it. Your Cell awaits you...LOL.... Whats so so wonderful about these rulings it is a NON white Public Protector and Judge calling for you to be fired and brought to Justice. So good bye race card, woot!! Goodbye Mr unqualified traffic warden - Police Commissioner wannabee..... Here's hoping they will appoint you hands -on Commissioner JANITOR in the prison you going to and I hope its bucket toilets. Public Protector and Judge etc appointed by Jacob now you believe he and the Appeal Court and Con Court will decide against their judgement huh?? Lol Bheki... go to jail like the imbecile you were,you are the way you will always be. Oh leave your hats and shoes and suits at the Salvation Army ok. You not going to be needing them where you going...LOL!!

      Isabel - 2012-05-25 16:12


  • Anthony - 2012-05-25 15:20

    Not only cele, the whole bunch of them including anc.

  • James - 2012-05-25 15:22

    Who set him on? I think the word is nepotism. There are many more.

  • Nigel - 2012-05-25 15:23

    Exit one clown, enter the next. So what do we gain? Diddly Squat. They've got rows and rows of thieving gangsters cadres lined up for the job. Nothing will change.

  • dee.shabalala - 2012-05-25 15:27

    South Africa is going to become a boring state, Juju is gone, Cele will be silenced, where will Robert Marawa get ama voice over manje.......

  • Fussed - 2012-05-25 15:34

    Threats again and what about the idiot that appointed him

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-05-25 15:34

    I am really sorry that Gen Cele unfortunately did these wrongs as I firmly believe he had the right attitude towards criminals (eg shoot to kill) and he was making an impact. He has however screwed up - hopefully it was just a brainfart and not with corrupt intention but he has to go and I do hope he does the honourable thing and resign

      Keith - 2012-05-27 06:58

      Far better than "Shoot to kill" would have been to encourage a police presence 'on the ground'. When did you ever see a policeman out of the police station, except in a bakkie. No walking, no cycling. As a 'wenwe' I remember policemen cycling round their beat,greeting all the residents; now that is good policing.

  • dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-05-25 15:44

    Maybe the president should apply his mind BEFORE appointing his mates to top jobs instead of having to do it after the Public Protector gives him a report as to how useless the person really is !!!

  • Gerhard - 2012-05-25 15:49

    Zuma once again is paralised. We do not need a president like this. We want somebody that gets the job done.

  • Deon - 2012-05-25 16:00

    I wonder how long he will take to apply his mind this time? Maybe after December 2012.

      Isabel - 2012-05-25 16:10

      Mind? What mind???

  • Mlu.Tolo - 2012-05-25 16:04

    I think the whole ANC should be fired, cele did what he learned from his father. like father son.

  • Andre - 2012-05-25 16:06

    You appoint a pilot chief of the Air Force, a sea going (executive officer) chief of the Navy, a combatant general (infantry, artillery or armour corpse) chief of the Army and a policeman chief of the Police. This is the only way get people who head the management that know the elements of their respective "force" and the only people who will be respected!

      Keith - 2012-05-27 07:01

      Don't be silly! That's logical, that's not ANC think.

  • Bibi - 2012-05-25 16:16

    Had Cele (or any other corrupt official) worked for a corporate company, he would have been escorted with his desk in a box to his car by the company security within one day. Fired, no suspension and golden handshakes. Finish and klaar.

  • Mart - 2012-05-25 16:24

    I would like to see or hear President Zuma admit that he has repeatedly made huge errors in judgement with his appointees, if the report 'damns' Cele as expected. He has recently told us he is a competent leader of thge ANC and the country but I am afraid there is very little evidence of this except for empty promises, a great deal of posturing and as is being said, the preoccupation with forever retaining the moniker of 'victim'.

  • tricia.sutherland1 - 2012-05-25 16:36

    hilarious to hear how Cele is to be fired - what more wrong has he done than the people firing him - it is a big joke - like watching a circus of clowns, except i'm crying not laughing ...

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-25 17:25

      Tricia, You ar eright, they are all a bunch of corrupt and incompetent thieves. if they were to do the right thing they would save the tax payer a lot of money and go buy orange overalls for the lot of them ...

  • maama.bujju - 2012-05-25 17:34

    If u look the way cele was appointed to that post he deserves to vacate without any consideration or wasting the governments money abt discussing or inquiring,how can u jst smeone from nowhere to lead a police force of such acountry ANC style up.either u say whites cant rule this country but blacks will lose it either to foreigners like americans or thse other super powers,bse its going to be ditched in debts aftrwards.lets not put feelings into business this is business not aprivate home.

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-25 19:37

      Maama, exactly you do not take someone from nowhere to lead a police force. (as it was done with Cele, who has no backgrounds whatsoever in ploice work) the right way to do it is to take a person who has many years of police work behind him and has gone up the ranks through merit. The day when people are appointed in this country to positions wher ethey influence the public's life not through nepotism and cadre deployment but based on merit and ability then things will start to improve.

  • Keith - 2012-05-27 06:46

    It's all very well worrying about Cele, but is Shabangu going to get the leases? Is he going to become another multi millionaire, courtesy of the ANC.

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