Pass black matrics, union asks

2010-12-01 14:10

Pretoria - The KwaZulu-Natal branch of the SA Democratic Teachers' Union (Sadtu) has called on "biased marking" in favour of black matrics, the Sowetan newspaper reported on Wednesday.

The union's provincial secretary Mbuyiseni Mathonsi reportedly appealed to markers not to be too hard on pupils writing papers that were not in their mother tongue.

It quoted him saying: "The markers should bear in mind that African pupils were not writing in their mother tongue and spare a thought for those affected by the strike."

Sadtu was one of the public sector unions that went on strike earlier this year, and although it ended its strike, was the only union that didn't formally accept the government's offer of a 7.5% wage increase and R800 housing allowance.

National Sadtu spokesperson Nomusa Cembi could be reached for comment. Sadtu's Gauteng secretary, Tseliso Ledimo, told Sapa he was not aware of the request for favourable marking being a national Sadtu request.

The editorial in the Sowetan commented that: "What Sadtu is essentially calling for is that we produce mediocre matriculants who were pushed through because those charged with ensuring that they become quality products failed to do so."

The Independent Democrats spokesperson Haniff Hoosen said Sadtu's call for the favourable marking was "ludicrous".

"Black student have suffered enough under apartheid’s inferior quality of education and Sadtu’s call amounts to maintaining the status quo for an inferior qualification."

He said that if Sadtu was serious about education the union would discourage their members from striking at the "drop of a hat".

  • MaLemmer - 2010-12-01 14:16

    Typical....lets just pass them! But wait, it shouldn't be a problem - there aren't any jobs for them anyway. @$$holes.

      Bratt - 2010-12-02 08:57

      Its amazing how the crazy talk from some obscure organization translates to policy in some people's minds.

      ian.teall - 2010-12-02 10:39

      Picture the scene. Teacher says to class " Ok class, what is 2+2?, Johnny and Sipho both put up their hands at the same time. Johnny says "4 Miss", to which she replies "Correct, well done Johnny!....Sipho, what is your answer?" To which Sipho replies "5 Miss" To which she replies " correct, well done Sipho".......?????????? WTF!!!!!!!!!

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-02 11:34

      My conclusion is this is the answer to the brain drain problem. No brain, no drain.

      Voidy - 2010-12-02 12:13

      What is this guy saying, that black people are dumber than other races who were affected as well, and they need an

      Jou Mal Emmer - 2010-12-02 12:42

      Eish, can't they at least do woodwek?

      RuskyBear - 2010-12-02 13:43

      In the ANC, 2+2 is 5. Don't forget the backhander....

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 10:23

      Good point Voidy. This sounds like a public proclamation that black kids are stupid, too stupid to pass matric without underhanded help from examination markers. But the whites are clever enough to pass on their own? You stupid demented fool! What message are you sending into the world? You will only have hundreds of white far-rights clapping and shouting that you finally admit it! - 2010-12-03 12:01

      It is pathetic how blacks expect everything to be just given to them without working!! FYI my people (Jews) suffered more than any black has and ever will. Do you see us crying for JEE?! NO because we work hard for everything we have.

      Robnob - 2010-12-03 22:51

      Good comment by! I have worked in many African countries and sadly they are all the same, they refuse to try and help themselves. They all feel they have been oppressed, and don't have the ability to see what will happen past the present day. Maybe it will come with the extra 200 years they need to catch up to present man. The only difference I have noticed with Africa man compared to South Africa man is that South Africa Black Man has a whole lot more hatred. They are not any more developed than their hut dwelling, spear throwing brothers a little further north on the continent...they just feel like they deserve more for less.

      victor.singaram - 2013-01-11 14:33

      Only in the rainbow nation.....SADTU representative must have passed matric on these bases

  • Vedder - 2010-12-01 14:18

    This one is for you polydonki!

      Jimmyfuse - 2010-12-01 14:42


      HardHitter - 2010-12-02 06:48

      POLIDONKI - bwaa haa ha aaa haaaa

      rory.b1979 - 2010-12-02 09:35

      the polio plonker is quiet...probably robbing someone to get money for internet

      Hannes Perth - 2010-12-03 10:41

      Accroding to Dr. Mafu Rakometsi, the executive head from Umalusi, children whose home language is an African language excluding Afrikaans or English already get 5% compensation (extra marks) per subject. This is ANC policy, what Mr Mathonsi demand is more. How far should standards drop before it become unacceptable? Why should children whose parents' benefited from AA/BEE, and had no disadvantage in their 16 years at school to their class mates gets an "easy ride" of an extra 5%, while children of all races whose parents are disadvantaged but speak Afrikaans or English at home are penalised? How blind must you be not to see the badly hidden racism in this? This 5% is surely unconstitutional. As soon as I think SA's black leaders are making progress to move to a real non-racial society, they come up with these narrow minded short sighted ideas and crush the little hope I have left. If you need a good reason to get out or stay out, this loser mentality of entitlement must be it. What does it help to get good marks if you did not get a proper education? I am also interested in ANC supporters view? Do you endorse this?

  • Because I Can - 2010-12-01 14:21

    If this happens the credibility of the Black Matric of 2010 is put in doubt and as an employer I would make a conscious note of the date the person matriculated and choose one the has passed without "help" over causing the 2010 black matric to be disadvantaged....

      Bismark22 - 2010-12-01 15:07

      I agree 100% with you! No one will employ the second best!

      durbsviking - 2010-12-01 15:26

      Too late. The credibility of the results have been cast into doubt already. Even if this is denounced how we we (the EMPLOYERS!!!!!!) ever be sure that the matric results of 2010 are legitimate. Unbelievable ... I am stunned!!

      Francois B - 2010-12-01 15:36

      Yes. No black matriculant from 2010 will be employed. And the worst of it all is - I have met so many great black students that matriculated without any biase. How can any employer make an informed decision between the good and the bad? It is unfait towards black students that works hard anyway regardless of external factors.

      CTScientist - 2010-12-01 15:43

      I'm pretty sure you'll still look at their grades, mate. Not just if they passed or not. You aren't going to get into a decent University with a 50% average. But if someone comes along with a 70% average for that year, you should have more of an idea with regards to their quality.

      lebogang.ramafoko - 2010-12-01 21:23

      but who are you punishing? SADTU or a black Matric pupil who may have not cheated?

      Reaperman - 2010-12-01 21:39

      Agree wholeheartedly........mmmmm, and we were about to do the "right thing" by taking on 3 ex-matrics (mixed races) next year on a internal training program as part of our company CSI...well, seeing this is the case..., to all you white clever laaities and ladies out there who actually worked for your results, smile guys, at least 3 of you will have a job and a bursary!!!!... To government and their cronies I say, you make us white business people what we are..... and we do what we do because you do what you do...oh, and because we can!!!!!

      Subzer0 - 2010-12-02 08:06

      I am sure that in the interview of said candidate you would be able to pick up if this person was "helped" along or worked their butts off. If i was in matric i would have felt so insulted at such a suggestion because this demeans those that worked throughout and would now be cast under the same umbrella as some that takes no responsibility.

      michelle.e.magson - 2010-12-02 13:53

      that's exactly true. earn it.

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 10:27

      True, Because I can, but the problem is you will be forced by some government official who wants a say in how you run your own private business to employ them anyway. The same way AA and BEE do now.

  • toxicsox - 2010-12-01 14:21

    Push them through and then wonder why everyone is failing at University? I see this every year. Clueless matriculants who should have failed enters the university and guess what - they fail here too. But never mind, together with the SRC and the Unions the toyi-toyi and get a remark 0n their 40% achieved. Eventually they are passed and South Africa is stuck again with affirmative appointments who are incapable of doing anything!

      Makutu - 2010-12-01 14:39

      After being to university myself, I can tell you that whites also fail and dont' even get 40%. Some of them that is. I don't like what is being proposed, but I think that we should say things like that. Some people are hurt by these comments. A black friend of mine got 83% degree average at university.

      Vedder - 2010-12-01 14:50

      @makutu..Dont dare make this a White issue.Black teachers are wanting to push through Black pupils.Simple, what the hell has that got to do with white students getting 40%??But maybe thats why your black friend gets 80% and the white 40%!Is it happening in our Universities to???

      Picasso - 2010-12-01 14:58

      Yes Makutu, 83% is very good, but imagine how he will be judge in the workplace thanks to the useless government helping the dumb. Jobs and degrees must happen on merrits and only merrits.

      Skottie - 2010-12-01 15:08

      Makutu: Is that not exactly the point? You and your friend with the 80% worked hard for your marks and where you are today, should that not be for everyone? If someone (black,white,green,yellow) did not achieve 40% pass mark, then they fail FULLSTOP. If this is not honoured then how can we say that people are being educated in our country? Just like you, everyone has to work for their marks and achievements. This request from the union is sickening, don't you agree?

      Francois - 2010-12-01 15:08

      @Makutu no one says any race are better learners just that the Blacks are the only ones jumping up and down. Just to say you have an decree/diploma does not say and point I tested a shortlist of 500 mechanical engineers for a project and all was Black (BEE or AA) and found that only 64 of them can read a tape.... Now this did not sound right to me and so I investigated and found their diplomas was the real thing....Now I`m really confused....and the White/Indian guys was all good to do the job......You tell me!

      pop101 - 2010-12-01 15:10

      Makutu, do you see the irony in this story?

      Makutu - 2010-12-01 15:10

      It's not now. It's w hile back. University was bloody tough. Vedder, you think that the lectures are that pathetic that they'd give someone 83% just because of their skin colour? Stupid comment man. I'm against making anything a racial issue. It's just I read through comments and black people are already being attacked. Why? I know blacks are the majority of the population, but that does not make EVERY black person as bad as what you see. I saw footage of a white police officer kicking a black infant very very hard on the head. It wasn't my child but that was hurtful. I don't think the child survived that blow. SAD. It's footage from back in pre-1994 times. But I do not want to say that whites are cruel or something like that. The man that kicked the child was cruel. So, please let's not generalize. We are not making any progress. We are all from different households with different rules. Not all of us will be the same, no matter what. My point is that whites fail, blacks fail and blacks pass and whites pass... Where the majority of the population is black, you'd expect the majority of fails to be from blacks, right? What these teachers aer proposing is ridiculous! I TOTALLY oppose it.

      Other Justin - 2010-12-01 15:14

      @Makutu - I hear what you are saying, but I don't think that toxicsox was implying that only blacks do badly in university, just that so many people already to badly at university and that this pushing of black kids through matric is going to compound the problem. It is not fair on the kids that they are going to push through, they are not going to cope at highler level education and are just going to become disillusioned. The bad apples will become the new troublemakers on campus and the others will become just another statistic. When I hear stupid comments like that made by SADTU, I wonder if education in this country will ever recover. SADTU, YOU ARE A GANG, NOT A UNION, YOU SHOULD ALL BEATEN ONCE A DAY AND TWICE ON SUNDAYS!!! VIVA AMAUSELESS VIVA!!!!

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      Makutu - 2010-12-01 15:32

      Pushing them won't make them pass at university. There were some people that got 8 As in matric but still didn't make it through university. Individual action... Our government is gambling with our youth's futures instead of investing with it. This actually hurts.

      woatshe - 2010-12-01 15:33


      CTScientist - 2010-12-01 15:50

      Makutu has a valid point. A lot of people fail at University, regardless of these bounded categories. And toxicsox.. at UCT and Stellenbosch (the only two I know of) you cannot get a rewrite if you only achieve 40% in your exam. You cannot even *write* the exam if you achieve under 40% for course hand-ins. It is against university regulation. Ask anyone who has been on the receiving end of those sorts of marks. You are more likely to get blood out of a stone. Agreed, however, that what these teachers are proposing is neither beneficial to the students themselves nor the wider South African society.

      Makutu - 2010-12-01 16:06

      CT Scientist and woatshe, thanks. Where I studied, there were no supplementary exams. 48% is a fail, you have to repeat that course. The danger lies also in the fact that these people that only vie things racially, go home and feed their children's minds with this racial bias. A black farm worker gets abused by his white boss goes home and say that whites are like this and that. The child grows to despite/hate people becaue of two people. His/her parent's boss and his/her parents. The ripple effect is quite evident in our society. The contrary occurs whereby a white person gets robbed by a black person and goes home and feeds his children's minds with how lazy or brutal blacks are... Another ripple and dangerous effect. That breeds hatred in our society. There is so much we can learn from each other. Can't we all just do science or maths and debate about it? The ANC can't possibly run a country well because they came straight from liberation fighters into power. Whoever thought that something would improve was just dreaming. Things were bound to go on a slump. We can hope that they will learn how to practice efficiency before it's late. But for now, I can promise you that the government will not do many things effectively. The one mistake is that they didn't acknowledge things that worked during the apartheid system. They should have just adopted what worked and dumped what didn't. that's progressive talk. But what do you expect from people that ran Spaza shops?

      Skottie - 2010-12-01 16:27

      @ Makutu: Your point well taken, that's the same the whites feel everytime there is a crime (MURDER) from black on white ... it needs to stop. No mention of colour and that would be half the war won in SA - we all need to be colourblind. But the leaders don't want that! (and that is the problem) Brilliant that you agree this is rediculous ... Just to clear some of the comments, as most mention black: it's becuase the article is about black students (Sadtu has called on "biased marking" in favour of BLACK matrics) It is a crime against those students as they get a false sense of being educated, and they deserve more! Glad you oppose it and you need to tell others as well. Reason is: if a white person says it, it would be taken out of context and made a racial thing, and that is not what we want. We want to see the blacks educated as well!!! Honestly. :o)

      Mordred - 2010-12-01 17:55

      @ Makutu - they have "dumbed-down" the question papers so much for black pupils since 1994 that even my 5 year old niece and nephew could pass it. Where in your life have you ever heard of a certain section of pupils demanding that they get given 25% before they even write the exams? I thought it could not get worse but here you have the SA Democratics Union (the cowards) in KZN pleading on behalf of the black students' that they go easy when marking their papers. Why did they get these pupils to write at all. KZN are scared shitless that the pass rate for their area will be loooooooooow. Even if they do take it easy, the failure rate will still be extremely high.

      Mordred - 2010-12-01 18:04

      @ Skottie - have you never noticed that when a heinous crime is perpetrated by black on white, it is never reported that it was a "black" man/men who is/are responsible (although we always know that 9 out of 10 times it will be a black) but lo and behold when it is white on black, every TV channel, radio station and newspaper will mention the race of the perpetrator. Why?

      Leon - 2010-12-01 19:19

      @Makutu. It is so refreshing to read your opinion on the current situation in SA. It is very difficult for a white person (such as myself) to have an opinion on SA politics without being labeled a racist. It is about time that black people such as yourself also voice their disgust at the things happening in this country. The only way things will change in this country is if more people such as yourself stand up and critisize the government, then and only then will people come to realise that it has nothing to do with race. Bravo Makutu!

      lebogang.ramafoko - 2010-12-01 21:25

      I am black and have not had any handout from anyone except the sacrifices of my great father who was denied a good education by Apartheid but worked hard so that i can get educated. i hold a masters degree from Harvard with mainly A and B+ marks. I competed with people of all races and still came tops as a black South African. SADTU is ridiculous but do not show your ignorance of why peple continue to fail by suggesting all blacks are fools and whites are inherently superior.

      moiraine - 2010-12-02 06:51

      @Makutu, whites fail, blacks fail, indians fail, coloureds fail, whites pass, blacks pass, indians pass, coloureds pass. We all pass and we all fail, some work hard, some dont. Noone disputes that. But SADTU is asking for all BLACK students to be marked leniently, nobody else. That is what people are responding to, they were the ones who put the race issue out there. And there were many children out there of all colours who were affected by the strike, so if they are proposing this why shouldnt all be marked leniently? They put the race issue out there, others are just responding to it. Or are you saying that prejudice/racism only occurs when it is white against black?

      Ares - 2010-12-02 09:43

      @Makutu Of course school / university is tough... that's why every year they have to make it so simple that you can matriculate in Grade 1. We had it tough, but we got through the right way. We didn't burn schools or each other or shoot classmates because of the stresses of school life. Life is not easy Makutu. But your government made it too easy that they can finally go and get a grade 1 for themselves.

      magnum - 2010-12-02 13:05

      @Makutu. Was that infant's name PolyTonky by any chance?

      Picasso - 2010-12-02 13:40

      magnum Every time you bumb your head, some braincells die, it couldn't have been Polio Donkey. Being born with only two braincells he would've died that day.

      hanno.vanderlinden - 2010-12-02 18:03

      @Makutu. Are there more of you in hiding? Please VOTE right. Respect!

      sokis210 - 2010-12-02 23:07 is spelt degree not decree...engineers don't get diplomas...technicians yes..."White/Indian guys was good to do the job"...doesn't make sense. In summary, I don't think you are in a position to employ engineers. Also, 500 engineers being tested on reading a tape? In your dreams mate....engineers are in short supply and almost all of them are employed or are employers....

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 10:32

      Makutu, I think you need to take that degree of yours back to that University you attended.They obviously did not do a very good job at educating you. Please explain what the fuck your ridiculous comments have to do with the topic of this story.

      nombusob - 2010-12-03 11:42

      @Mordred - December 01, 2010 at 17:55 Report comment You comment like most of the comments are misinterpreting the point that Sadtu was trying to make. Nobody said that the black students must be given 25% before they write the exam, but teachers must be considerate when marking exam papers for students that don't speak english as they mother tangue, which applies to afrikaans speaking students as well. The fact that you misunderstood SADTU or you relied on some dumbwit journalist to take his statement out of context does not make you right. Stick to Haniff Hoosen's racism as put forth by the author and stop jumping around unrelated issues you moron.

      Pragmatist - 2010-12-03 11:50

      WELL DONE Lebogang! Go for it

      Zawadi - 2010-12-03 14:00

      @lebogang.ramafoko: Amen, i wont go further and read all the demeaning comments on this forum... Bigups to your father!

      franssmith100 - 2010-12-03 18:14

      @ nombusob; YOU SAY; "Nobody said that the black students must be given 25% before they write the exam, but teachers must be considerate when marking exam papers for students that don't speak english as their mother tongue, which applies to afrikaans speaking students as well." I ASK YOU WHAT DO YOU IMPLY? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN.. "..(Sadtu)has called on "biased marking" in favour of black matrics,.." AND THEY GO FURTHER - "The markers should bear in mind that African pupils were not writing in their mother tongue and spare a thought for those affected by the strike." I ALSO ASK YOU WHERE WAS ANY REFERENCE MADE TO AFRIKAANS STUDENTS... AND IF YOU IMPLY THAT THEIR STATEMENT WAS AIMED AT ALL "NON-ENGLISH STUDENTS", I FIND NO INDICATIONS THAT IT WAS ALSO AIMED TO ASSIST WHITE AFRIKAANS STUDENTS (WHICH YOU CLEARLY TRY TO INTIMATE OR IMPLY?) OR ANY OTHER WHITE NON-ENGLISH SPEAKING STUDENT (SADTU CLEARLY SAID " favour of black matrics,.." - "..African pupils..") You continue and say ..."stop jumping around unrelated issues you moron." - Practise what you preach, "moron".

  • REALIST - 2010-12-01 14:22

    Oh really and have them simply fall further and further behind... and this because the teachers are utterly useless! Can you spell "banana republik"

      Rob - 2010-12-01 14:51

      Clearly you can't spell banana republic yourself you tool

      WhyLikeThis - 2010-12-01 15:09

      The joke flies right over his head and he calls you a tool? CHOP

      mariomobster - 2010-12-01 15:10

      I see Inglesh is not your mother tonge either...

      Johnny - 2010-12-01 15:15 "uselessness" also part of the "African culture"...???

      Bratt - 2010-12-02 08:34

      if you are African Johnny, then yes.

      LGVS - 2010-12-02 11:16

      @Realist. I am a teacher but not useless. Some of us are actually qualified and do our work correctly. Some of us even love our calling. Please do not generalise. I agree with you that there are masses of unqualified people teaching. As you can see I do not refer to them as teachers. It is the government’s fault that these people are working at schools without proper qualification. If the government makes the occupation more attractable with better incentives, then the quality of education will change and all the riff raff working at schools can be dismissed and toy toy to their heart’s content.

  • sceptic - 2010-12-01 14:26

    And while we are at it, let's pass black graduates who otherwise would have failed their medical exams, so that one day, when they perform open heart surgery on a non suspecting person, they can screw the procedure up completely and say" eish sorry, the union has faith in my ability, blame them when this person dies on my table!".

      Johnny - 2010-12-01 15:25

      ...well said..!! ....very true...!!

      CTScientist - 2010-12-01 15:51

      Tertiary education has not, nor will, ever been held to the same standards as secondary education. Unfair of you to say so.

      jsvisagie - 2010-12-01 17:09

      @CTScientist-and how can you be so sure that it will never be the case (if not already?) at tertiary institutions? Haven't the standards already dropped at a lot(all) of the South African universities? Not just for black/white/indian/coloured but across the board? I seem to recall something like that not too long ago but it seems you have your pulse on what will be happening and what not. Just saying...

      CTScientist - 2010-12-01 18:12

      @Jsvisagie Fair enough. I cannot really say what will happen over the next fifty years. No one can. But just this year UCT was voted the 106th top ranked university in the world. That ranking trend has, over the past five years, been going up. I don't know where Wits, Stellenbosch, UNISA, etc ranked. But I am sure that these universities also out competed many of their African counterparts. So I don't think the standards are dropping in our universities. Recently many universities have claimed that they need to raise the bar to meet what many (in tertiary education) believe to be a diminished secondary education system. But you are fair to be critical of my appraisal. But if we look at the history of many of our institutions, we will see that they have often disagreed with the State on a multiplicity of issues. And they did not just follow the governments every wish. I can only hope that this will continue for the next few decades. In any regard, as it stands now, the comment made by Sceptic is just a little unfair. As the Medical Campuses across the country continue to churn out the best of the best.

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 10:37

      CT Scientist. 106th in the world???!!!! Bloody hell. that's nothing to be proud of, mate!

      Corry - 2010-12-03 12:15

      @ CT Scientist, are you sure this won't happen at tertiary institutions. A few years ago (2007 I think) 60% of the final year Med students failed at UKZN Medical school. A huge ruccus was started by COSAS and the SRC saying that it as racism (the 40% that passed were mostly Indian and some White). COSAS said the falure of the black students was racism and they should be passed. Eventually they were all given supplementary exams. I never bothered to follow what exactly happened there but the point is those standards were compromised and there are now doctors out there who were pushed through.

      The Patriot - 2010-12-03 15:14

      Wont happen, cause there wont be the necessary electronic facilities, never mind qualified nurses or medicine, or clean water to scrub in, or unused syringes, or clean swabs, or shit the list goes on.....

      ligte - 2010-12-03 17:13

      while on the subject of universities it should be mentioned that the corner stone of any varsity is that it provides the student with academic freedom ,something that doesn't exist in the school system. Due to this you will still find departments (not necessarily whole varsities) where the standard is kept on international level because some of us is stubborn enough not to submit to lowering the standard so that some *%^&*& american can say that our work is outdated. we as scientist (black and white) dont necessarily jump when some minister say so, and why would we

  • Homer - 2010-12-01 14:29

    is this SADTUs way of saying Blacks are useless so lets just favour them? This does not help the Blacks that are capable of passing with their own effort.

      Almaki - 2010-12-03 08:16

      Agreed. I cannot believe that they can't see the unfavourable bias in their own statements.

  • evaherpich - 2010-12-01 14:31

    This is unethical - you pass or you fail. PERIOD! We al went through this, I also didn't write matric in my mother language. We all had strikes and I even had no teacher for 6 months in Matric... Can you imagine going to hospital for an opperation and being opperated on by a doctor who got a free pass in matric... Hell, this is why I emigrated to Europe. We are raising a dumb, lazy nation by handing out free passes for everything, and then placing blame else where. If people stopped looking for a reason and someone else to blame, and used that energy productively: that of what we could achieve!

      Johnny - 2010-12-01 15:27

      ...welcome to Africa..!! ......ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...!!!

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 10:38

      Yes, Johnny, sad but true. Welcome to Africa indeed.

  • Shane - 2010-12-01 14:33

    Our unions are getting dumber and dumber. It just shows that they are acknowledging that the black students are stupid and cannot do it on their own. What little faith they have in the students.

      ray.romans - 2010-12-01 15:38

      This after the union forced the strike action. Now they want that taken into consideration. The mind boggles.

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 10:40

      Ah, good point, ray.romans. Maybe the unions are great planners afterall.....? Sneaky sneaky!

  • Gido - 2010-12-01 14:34

    haha.. why not make it fun and run a lottery for free matric certificates.. BANANA REPUBLIC!!

  • TrickyTrout - 2010-12-01 14:35

    Have you every heard such an idiotic suggestion. The irony is that this is coming from the teachers! Would black students' marks then be valued equally in the open job market or by universities?

  • Liesbet - 2010-12-01 14:36

    You know.... I feel sorry for the one matriculant that really just want to pass matric, do something with his or her life and does not want things handed on plate because if his / her skin colour. It is unfair to this one pupil. They will not be doing any of them a favour on the long run….

      Picasso - 2010-12-01 15:00

      And yet they will be judged with the rest of the useless scum. Real sad.

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 10:43

      Indeed Liesbet, that is the sad thing about living in Africa and South Africa in particular. Stupidity by the masses always has negative and unfair effects on the individual. Unfortunatly the masses still vote for this scum time and again and the individuals suffer. If I were one of those honest matrics I would want to start a riot against this. In a country where people just love marching down streets dancing and singing, why not organise a march agaisnt somehting like this? Maybe that would show the ANC arseholes what people really want.

  • lakhan7 - 2010-12-01 14:36

    My Black colleague had a sore throat, he went to a Black Docter ...and she gave him a wrong set of pills... He asked my what to do, I told him see an Indian Docter. During 2003 my application to study medicine was rejected, because i was not black. The policy back then was to promote black docters. ( which is fine - but it should not be on the expense of others ) The examines should use a bell-graph to mark all students equally as everyone was effected by the strikes. or take 10months minus the striking months, obtain a ratio, and increase all marks ( of all races to be fair ) by maybe 15%.

      Trix - 2010-12-01 14:58

      Good suggestion!

      Picasso - 2010-12-01 15:02

      Doctor? Did she gave him accidently viagra? Now he got a stiff neck ;-)

      Mundu - 2010-12-01 15:15

      You cant even spell doctor and you think you should be one. Numbnut!

      mrtnlemmer - 2010-12-01 15:21

      SA needs more people like you lakhan7! Bring the solutions and not only moan, moan and moan! :) Statistics would be a great way of accurately determining the affect that the strike had on the pupils. Just also take into account that rural and other 100% public schools were the worst hit by the strikes.

      Bratt - 2010-12-02 08:39

      I think your application failed purely because of all the spelling mistakes in it. I can just imagine the horror that would ensue when one fills in your 'prescription'.

      Xolani - 2010-12-02 13:13

      @ Mundu - You've made my day LMAO !!!

      robertgunning - 2010-12-02 14:10

      You don't seem to understand that if you get the question wrong, you don't get a mark.... If you get the question right, you get a mark..... This is not negotiable.

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 10:51

      lakhan7, your suggestion does make more sense and is more fair on everyone, however I do not believe anybody should be helped. We all had our own problems when we wrote Matric and none of us got help. Many children fail to score the marks they wanted because of all kinds of problems, some universal, some personal and applicable only to the individual. I had my own problems when I wrote Matric, but I tried my best to pass regardless and I did, but I did not score the marks I was hoping for. So be it. Life's a bitch. If you impliment these kind of policies, you teach the kids the wrong thing entirely. What they see is someone else bailing you out, once again, in hard times. Howe are they supposed to learn how to deal with life and become decent grown-ups if that is what they learn when they are young? Probably the single biggest problem of this country is exactly that attitude: oh hell, I am disadvantaged for this that or the next reason, hence I hold out my hands and demand help and then I get things for free. poor me. This attitude will only be encouraged by this sort of thing. Yes, the students were in a bad spot with the strikes, but do not reinforce the freebe handout culture by such ridiculous ideas.

      Zawadi - 2010-12-03 14:12

      LMAO @ Mundu's comment. Seemingly everyone who is not black and does not get a job or gets accepted at an institution of higher learning blames it on the AA/BEE. lakhan7 did u even achieve the minimum requirement to study for a medical degree? Disgusting!

  • Makutu - 2010-12-01 14:37

    LOL! Seriously...? Why>?

      Bratt - 2010-12-02 08:40

      Its just a joke. Something to deter public opinion from wikileaks or ...

  • SumDumBum - 2010-12-01 14:37

    Do Afrikaans whiteys get help when writing their English paper, too?

      Kaapie - 2010-12-01 14:52

      Hey what about us cullarts! dont we get help or must we just tik

      pop101 - 2010-12-01 15:11

      Ny Kaapie, duidelik broe.

      Alan - 2010-12-01 21:13

      make the circle oval. You callard boy.

      Ares - 2010-12-02 09:51

      @SumDumBum No my friend, remember, Afrikaans is the language of Apartheid.

      John Wilderness - 2010-12-02 10:49

      they got enough help for 46 years.

      Picasso - 2010-12-02 13:46

      John Wilderness, and the only way you and your children can be helped is throught genetic modifications.

      tdejongh - 2010-12-02 14:08

      @John: The average whitey worked for what he got under Apartheid. You will find that the Afrikaans people, in general, rise to the standard, instead of bringing it down to suit them. 1st world vs. 3rd world. Utterly amazing how the current ruling party insists on moving backwards, instead of following the route of progress.

      hanno.vanderlinden - 2010-12-02 18:07

      @John Wilderness. They did hey? Maybe thats where all the infrastructure design and planning came from.....a pass at 40% for math, science etc... Think again.

      Hannes Perth - 2010-12-03 10:53

      @John Wilderness. These children did not even life 46 years ago! There are black students that are more advantage today than the average Afrikaans child? Some of these Afrikaans children live in squatter camps, and there is no advantage for them. The problem is that policies should be based on sosio-economic conditions are based on race. Like all countries opportunities should be created for the hard working students that have less opportunities, lowering standards are not a solution.

  • Dwane - 2010-12-01 14:38

    WTF? Is that even possible?

  • mukwevhokhuliso757 - 2010-12-01 14:38

    I dont think this is a good idea, Passing matric should not be about race, Education is the only institution that does not differentiate between races, Matriculants are given equal opportunities, this Idea will compromise our Standard of Education.

      Skottie - 2010-12-01 15:15


      Other Justin - 2010-12-01 15:19

      Not trying to be nasty or anything...... But what standard of education are you refering to? The standard of education in this country is already cr@ppy.

      moiraine - 2010-12-02 06:55

      Hear Hear!

      Gen-Mewmew - 2010-12-02 07:48

      "Education is the only institution that does not differentiate between races" - nothing should be about race. nothing in life. we are fools

      Bratt - 2010-12-02 15:51

      moiraine == lanfear

      moiraine - 2010-12-04 06:49

      moiraine does not equal lanfear, just someone else who likes Robert Jordan

  • pop101 - 2010-12-01 14:40

    Isn't this against the constitution - equality.

  • Viparo - 2010-12-01 14:40

    Why is it that instead of performing or living up to the bar, black people lower the standard? It doesn't say much about their capabilities, but rather " We can't make that grade, so instead of working harder, we're going to lower the grade". The mother tongue excuse is just that, an excuse. Once the learner finishes with school, will they be studying in mother tongue at uni? Will their place of work also be in their mother tongue? Nope. So make the grade or get the %#$% out. Simple as that.

      Jennie - 2010-12-02 13:09

      My daughter did matric last year. There were a few back girls who said that there mother tongue was Zulu when they applied to write. They received their papers in Zulu, which they did not understand and the headmistress had to sort the mess out. So I do not see how they are disadvantaged by writing in english, if they can not understand or read Zulu. It is their choice at the end of the day.

  • Jono Dicks - 2010-12-01 14:41

    This is the most absurd thing I have heard this year. Something you would expect to come from other ill-informed politicians. If ever matric students needed a wake-up call, it would have to be in matric and to know if they were good and ready to step into university or the working environment. And for a teacher's union to call for this is absolutely disgustinge. It shows you that they really do not care about education in this country or the fact that they should be producing quality matriculants.

  • LJ Graey - 2010-12-01 14:42

    Lol... Seriously flawed logic there. First off, it's not only black students that have to write in a langauge other than their mother tongue, so the same should be done for Afrikaans, Chinese and Hindi speaking students that had to write English papers. Second, thanks to the violence and threats to non-striking teachers that invariably accompanies union action of any kind, it was not "only black students" that were negatively affected. That said, those students who afterwards embarked on their own "strike action" because of they were negatively affected by the teachers' strike, should be granted no clemency whatsoever... But what bothers me the most is how these idiots expect the people who mark the exams to tell from nothing more than a number and the content of the paper not only what color a student is, but what their home language is AND whether or not they attended extra classes to make up for the lost time... And people wonder why I think any union that operates on a national level is nothing but a waste of money and time... They seem to be run by morons and egotists...

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 10:57

      they ARE run by morons and egotists. And I can think of a few more nouns to describe them.

      nombusob - 2010-12-03 13:58

      Your comment like most of the comments are misinterpreting the point that Sadtu was trying to make. Nobody said that the black students must be given 25% before they write the exam, but teachers must be considerate when marking exam papers for students that don't speak english as they mother tangue, which applies to afrikaans speaking students as well. The fact that you misunderstood SADTU or you relied on some dumbwit journalist to take his statement out of context does not make you right. Stick to Haniff Hoosen's racism as put forth by the author and stop jumping around unrelated issues you moron.

      moiraine - 2010-12-04 06:51

      @nombusob can you point to the line in the article where it mentions white Afrikaans learners?

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-01-11 16:06

      "They mother tangue"? Yep, I see where you're coming from. And no, it doesn't apply to Afrikaans students.

  • Made_In_SA - 2010-12-01 14:46

    WTF? so we can have a generation of halfwits thats couldnt pass, or are we teaching the youth that its cool to bypass procedures as long as you are of colour... I think we already have enough corruption in our country. Unions are like burst condoms, they serve no purpose other than to frighten the cr@p outa the employers, whilst making the members soft and lazy!!

  • Ash.187 - 2010-12-01 14:46

    Ok! now thats kak there. First the pass mark was lowered from a mere 50% to 30%, now you guys want this? how the hell are we then supposed to be critical thinkres if our brains are getting less active from generation to generation. you might think this is the best option whereas you are enslaving us to your with you pseud smart schemes to keep us dependant on u...the less educated and critical thinker he/she is, the more desperate and dependant they become.

      Krush - 2010-12-01 15:06

      I didn't even know the pass mark is now only 30%. And these are our future doctors? Future businessmen? hahahaha. This is absurd! I guarantee that if you take white students and make them do their schooling in zulu, xhosa etc they would still do better - because they WANT to. I don't see why they don't just write their exams in their own mother tongue. Start their businesses up in their own mother tongue and employ their own. And leave us to do the same.

      pop101 - 2010-12-01 15:23

      Jirrr, I panicked when my marks started touching the 60's in Std. 9 (don't ask grade, I don't know). Was good motivation for my matric year.

      Perfume - 2010-12-01 16:06

      @Krush neither did I until my colleague confirmed it is now 30% now it is 0% they dont need to study in matric anymore

      D - 2010-12-02 07:20

      It is human nature to progress, improve, adapt and improvise from generation to generation. History itself shows this over the last few thousand years. However it seems that Africa is the only continent that wants to reduce everything to the lowest common denominator and instead regress. We cannot keep up, so we will make everything easier, window dressing pass rates to make it look like we're on a decent level when in fact we're regressing. I dont know but it seems that Africa wants to go back to the life it had in the 1600's. maybe African culture does not want to, or cannot live up to current global standards so it is choosing to regress into a previous state where sitting under a tree made up 80% of the day.

      tdejongh - 2010-12-02 14:11

      No issues. Salaries will then also be at 30% of the norm. Odds of getting a job is 30% (I jest, it is lower, actually).

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 10:59

      He he! Yes, Pop 101, I also panicked. And I got a moer of a hiding from my mom!

  • Jonathan - 2010-12-01 14:48

    Oh my word!! Wouldnt it be easier to set the exams in each of the official languages so everyone is tested in their mother tongue....Oh no, wait..they already had a problem with that when the questions written in Afrikaans were different to the ones written in English (On the same paper.)

      Sanity_Check - 2010-12-01 15:57

      Trust me, I had to write a Technica Electric exam in Afrikaans. I had to eventually switch over to the English questions because the Afrikaans translation was done incorrectly. I still got a B(HG). So no excuse for the blacks!!

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 11:01

      The papers are indeed available in all 11 official languages. The black students choose to write in English because they choose to go to English schools. The papers are different because the education officials are useless.

  • Trevor - 2010-12-01 14:51

    WTF. !!!last week I heard over the news how dissapointed the universaties is that there graduates dont have the basic knowledge of reading and writing I c why...... viva s-a viva ..

      nasheenar - 2010-12-01 15:24

      It was just a typo josua.1989 ..... you do know what that is hey ?

      Louis-John Rex - 2010-12-01 21:32

      Trev...please check your spelling and grammar...disappointed...universities...are (plural)...their...don't...see

      AJ - 2010-12-02 05:13

      @Louis-John Rex: Just a bit of sarcasm there from Trevor, that's all.

      Bratt - 2010-12-02 08:42

      I assume you are a graduate Trevor?

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 11:03

      Oh my greatness. Let's all have a go at Trevor. It is easier to mock him than to attend to the real problems in this country.

  • CyberDog - 2010-12-01 14:53

    How can one argue or reason with people who suffer with this type of mentality? Educating tomorrow’s leaders - this is scary.

  • Peter - 2010-12-01 14:55

    Die Here weet, hoekom nie net sommer die dieretuin oop maak !

      emile.marais - 2010-12-01 16:45

      Suid-Afrika is al klaar 'n zoo...

  • rmresources - 2010-12-01 14:56

    SA Democratic Teachers' Union should be closed down and all staff sent back to school.

      Gen-Mewmew - 2010-12-02 07:54

      best plan ever

      Bratt - 2010-12-02 08:43

      No. They would slow down the rest of the students.

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 11:04

      Wouldn't do much good as they will all get matric for free.

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-01-11 16:09

      And maybe SADTU members can be taught that it's naughty to try to run down people if you don't agree with them.

  • anonymouse - 2010-12-01 14:57

    I have a post-grad qualification. I have changed jobs various times since obtaining it. I think that piece of paper only really mattered when I applied for my first job. Ultimately, an employer is interested in what you know (and your ability to keep learning) and applying the knowledge. It's not a passport that entitles you to anything. Good point about mother tongue education, though. Too bad the Union's own government is more interested in an easily manipulated populace, and so goes to great lengths to strip every one of their various identities.

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 11:06

      Yes, you are correct. That piece of paper does not mean a lot, but the problem is that these kids are taught that this is the correct thing to do in life: sit back and relax because someone else will give you everything for free.

  • Monde - 2010-12-01 14:58

    I cannot believe this, these people are crazy: "not to be too hard on pupils writing papers that were not in their mother tongue", load of bull. They are killing the kids future, why would they do that? The thing is as much as the dept. of education says its trying to do something about our education system, no matter what process or system you introduce, it will never work when you have people that are not accountable for the results that they produce. you cannot go and demand a wage increase whilst we don't even have an average of 70% pass rate in matriculants. The problem is with the educators here, scrutinise DOE!

  • goyougoodthing - 2010-12-01 14:58

    This basically happens in any case if you take into account the curve. Moderation of exams etc has been happening since day one. So, if the entire class of 2010 decided to answer 1 question, or none at all and write their name, on average 50% would pass with less than 5% getting about 80%. The dumber the collective of student the easier to pass.

  • U1 - 2010-12-01 15:00

    Why then do they then insist on going to schools where they are not taught in their mothertongue? To use this as an excuse to get free marks in the exam? So stupid!

  • Gorilla - 2010-12-01 15:00

    Great! I am going to request that my kids write their matric in Xhosa, can they also please be passed and given a university exemption regardless.

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 11:07

      Indeed. Why did I not think of that when I wrote Matric?

  • Willem - 2010-12-01 15:01

    Poor black that actually learned for the exam. They won’t get credited for their hard word. I wonder what qualification the guy has that made such a stupid proposal. Wie nie leer kom nie deer.

      jmagamba - 2010-12-01 15:06

      I feel sorry for my niece who was studyin her ass off n now it will count for nought. she will just be painted with the same brush as the lazy ones

      sbouttell - 2010-12-01 15:27

      This truly is the truth of the matter.

      John Wilderness - 2010-12-02 10:58

      Good point Willem. It is an injustice on those black students that have worked hard.

  • Rick - 2010-12-01 15:02

    Hauw! Already I struggle to get any measure of productivity out of the ANC's matrics - imagine how big their ego's will be if they pass with anything over a 30% average?

  • MrSpiderman - 2010-12-01 15:04

    If I was an ANC youth member studing my guts of matric, I would take so much offence with this statement! However, with reference to the ANC MEC's, head and youth leaders' qualifications, did I really expect anything less? What a disgrace to my fellow hard working black brothers and sisters who actually are truing their best! Just like everytining else. Poverty, apartheid, nie-blankes, etc. The elite earning millions will not allow anyone to tresspass on their education?

  • Johnny - 2010-12-01 15:08

    ..Sadtu is a joke...!! ...only in Africa... .....Ha ha ha ha ha..!!!

  • Bismark22 - 2010-12-01 15:09

    We are just falling more and more behind international standards. ANC, it's time to wake up!!!

      Gen-Mewmew - 2010-12-02 07:58

      no its time for the anc to F#CK OFF!@!!!!

      Kenko - 2010-12-02 09:28

      Haha Gen your timing is impeccable!!

      Exunitate - 2010-12-02 16:11

      Gen-Mewmew They won't "F#CK OFF" because the uneducated, ignorant majority will still vote them in power because the ANC is a black party - they will never vote for any white political party.

  • Jou-Ma - 2010-12-01 15:10

    And the airforce is desperate to hand multi million rand aircraft to a pupil that "passed" matric with honours, but cant even understand english. This union is made up of "people" with no brains. I think SADTU's village called, they are missing a few idiots. SCREW you lazy b@stards, put in the effort and stop wanting special favours because you were born inherently lazy.

  • Paul - 2010-12-01 15:10

    O bravo, bravo! How far are we still going to fall before we realize that the impact is going to hurt when we reach the bottom!!!

  • Willem - 2010-12-01 15:11

    Poor black that actually learned for the exam. They won’t get credited for their hard word. I wonder what qualification the guy has that made such a stupid proposal Wie nie leer kom nie deur

  • Talk500 - 2010-12-01 15:14

    If jobs are not given based on knowledge and experience but rather race, why should qualifications be any diffirent... This is laughable!

  • Johann - 2010-12-01 15:14

    my call, give all black pupils a matric cert.unconditional!let whites do matric the normal way with international standards ,and in 5 years we take stock !this is for you polio donkey

  • Chris - 2010-12-01 15:15

    So what qualifies any of them to get jobs? Well done idiots!!

      Cheeky13 - 2010-12-03 08:05

      Their colour!

  • bdanney - 2010-12-01 15:15

    "Black student have suffered enough under apartheid’s inferior quality of education" What black student, where has suffered under apartheid's inferior quality of education? Where is this happening? No child in this country is taught under an apartheid system. This idea is about as mindless as the order for biased marking. If we allow this we are sending people into the World with a bad education. This means we still have poverty, BEE managers with no clue and people unable to cope in real life. We can do better, we have to do better or we will never move forward.

      cromagnon - 2010-12-01 15:40

      They will now suffer under the new regime's inferior quality of marking

      M - 2010-12-01 16:35

      Well that just proves how bad maths in this country really is. It is simple arithmetic really. The ANC came to power in 1994, this years' Matric's started school in 1999 (my daughter is one of them). 1999 - 1994 = 5!!!!! Five years of ANC rule!!!! FIVE years AFTER apartheid ENDED properly, nine if you take into account when Nelson Mandela was released from jail. SADTU must now throw themselves off the "apartheid" bandwagon and start taking responsiblility for their own screw up.

      ebdg3000 - 2010-12-02 07:09

      bdanney, exactly - I'm glad to have found your comment because that was the first thing that went through my mind. Of course, I totally disagree with the Union's demand - I mean, why even have schools? - but if you consider the challenge that a Black child from the township has, they are at a serious disadvantage: homes are very close together, lots of noise, poor lighting, and most important of all, very little input from the parents, who are either not capable of assisting their children due to the inferior education they received under apartheid, or just do not have the life skills to realise how crucial their support is.It thus falls upon the school and the teacher to make up for this gap, and it is here where the Govt is failing: when it opted for bigger classes and less teachers, it made a fatal error.

  • exrhodesian - 2010-12-01 15:17

    How insulting is this request to ALL students. Not only to the ones who have been able to pass "honestly" but to the other Black students who have had the competence and struggle to write and pass their exams. Shame on Sadatu to even consider this sort of idea, or is the person who wrote this article one of those who managed to get a "token" pass and is dumb enough to make a statement like this. Imagine what it will be like for two students who both go for the same job, and knowing that one of them is given a token pass and may be given a position he/she does not deserve.

      LBS - 2010-12-02 07:24

      There are sadly already far too many people in positions they do not deserve, nor are they qualified to do. Just look at the collapse of various government department for proof!!

  • - 2010-12-01 15:18

    Names arent put on papers, the matrics certain number is put on so how are they going to know the difference?

      MrSpiderman - 2010-12-01 15:29

      Shhhht! Everybody is supposed to believe that! How do you think the number was allocated and by whom?

  • kappie - 2010-12-01 15:19

    HAHA this is just funny... why would you drop your own standards like this! same thing at varsities though, I got accepted to onderstepoort with a 81% average from my BSc, the cutoff for students were 70%, but blacks were accepted with a 50% ave, now they are unable to cope with the workload at BVSc and are again just pushed through,at the end who looks like the poepol???? A shame for the blacks that are good at what they do and actually worked for it!

      TJHB - 2010-12-01 22:40

      I didn't get into Onderstepoort 5 years ago with an 87% aggregate. The dean was a friend of my father, and told him straight that they are trying to promote black vets in the country. They apparently accept very few white students these days. I was shattered as it was what I always wanted to do. Reading this angers me. It's so unfair!!

  • Lekabisto - 2010-12-01 15:20

    No Person in their right mind that worked hard for their archievements will ever make a statement like that, He obviously does not know the value of hard work, which is well fitting for politicians in this country, they never worked hard for jack shit they have!

  • - 2010-12-01 15:21

    On the matric papers, dont they still use the matrics different 'i.d' numbers so when marking they dont know the names of the matriculants? so how are they going to know the difference between the races of who ever wrote the paper?

      Reaperman - 2010-12-01 23:01

      not sure if this is still the case, but in the olden days the last few digits of your id number was used in some kind of hash to determine race????

      Picasso - 2010-12-02 14:05

      The sameway that they are going to appoint the marks to the person. The matric number links to your file at the department of Education, they have all your details.

      masterjane007 - 2010-12-03 11:27

      ID numbers still indicate race. And gender.

      trippygrape - 2010-12-03 13:11

      @masterjane007 - Epic fail, you're wrong dude. Short code-excerpt for validating 'digit-13', the so-called 'check' digit: Format: {YYMMDD}{G}{SSS}{C}{A}{Z} YYMMDD : Date of birth. G : Gender. 0-4 Female; 5-9 Male. SSS : Sequence No. for DOB/G combination. C : Citizenship. 0 SA; 1 Other. A : Usually 8, or 9 [can be other values] Z : Control digit calculated in the following section: Formula to calculate the check digit for a 13 digit identity number: In accordance with the legislation, the control figure which is the 13th digit of all identity numbers which have 08 and 09 is calculated as follows using ID Number 800101 5009 087 as an example: * Add all the digits in the odd positions (excluding last digit). 8 + 0 + 0 + 5 + 0 + 0 = 13...................[1] * Move the even positions into a field and multiply the number by 2. 011098 x 2 = 22196 * Add the digits of the result in b). 2 + 2 + 1 + 9 + 6 = 20.........................[2] * Add the answer in [2] to the answer in [1]. 13 + 20 = 33 * Subtract the second digit (i.e. 3) from 10. The number must tally with the last number in the ID Number. If the result is 2 digits, the last digit is used to compare against the last number in the ID Number. If the answer differs, the ID number is invalid.