Pastor held up after church service

2012-02-07 09:43

Johannesburg - A pastor has told how she, her husband and two youth workers were held up and robbed after the Sunday evening service at the AGS church in Witfield, Boksburg.

“When I asked him: ‘Do you know God?’ he just put his hands together and said: ‘I am so sorry, so sorry'” said pastor Christa Meiring on Monday about one of the robbers who held them up with firearms.

She, her husband, Frans, Morne Pieters and his wife Danielle, were locking up the church just after 20:00.

“Danielle saw the three come through the gate,” said Meiring.

Safe key

The robbers immediately forced her husband to the ground with the firearm against his head while demanding their wallets, cellphones and jewellery.

“He seemed to think my bag with my bibles was a laptop and gave it back as ‘rubbish’. Frans didn’t have his wallet on him so they took mine.

“I said they could take the money but to leave my cards and wallet, which they then did.

“Morne then also asked for his wallet back and they gave it back as well, with his cards.”

Meiring said the whole nightmare took between five and eight minutes.

“Fortunately the service’s collection was locked up in the safe. I had the key to the safe in my hand but when he asked, I said no, it was the house key.

“They then took the key to my Hyundai Getz and two got in.

“He couldn’t drive very well and drove up to us in fits and starts, hooting for the third one to jump in and they drove out the gate.”

  • Brett - 2012-02-07 09:46

    Another day in Sunny South Africa.

      procold2 - 2012-02-07 11:49

      foc what drivel are typing

      Foc - 2012-02-07 12:00

      lol how dof are you people?? Can't you see this is a joke?? my my how serious do you doffies take life .... :-)

      Lloyd - 2012-02-07 14:01

      crime is all over the world,europe,americas etc..not just sunny south africa

  • miyo27 - 2012-02-07 09:53

    the tsotsi probably mistook the church and money for a voting station. Remember - no ANC vote, no go to heaven

  • Randomhero6661 - 2012-02-07 10:18

    i hope you have insurance... what world are we living in when the "house of god" is not safe? or is it negligence?

      John - 2012-02-07 10:59

      Who can leave a comment as such here? GodFrey !!!! Hey dont have any evidence that protection service was not there? Prove it to

      mpumy.mjadu - 2012-02-07 11:37


      Scouter - 2012-02-07 11:53

      "So what the hell this god for?" For you, Godfrey, for you.

      Hoo - 2012-02-07 13:51

      @Godless Godfrey You see my little white friend, electricity is a little like the real God, my God!; now, you don’t see Him or electricity, but when you touch Him/it, or He touches you, you feel Him, but when you blaspheme God or despise electricity the result it is just the same..Shocking. But we all know your just hurt inside..., the problem you will still feel the consequences even for foolish utterances.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 13:53

      Boy oh boy - I really have the religious nutter here. Christian lifestyle is a live fantasy roleplaying game among magic, spirits and demons. It is the belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie that is his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in all humanity because a rib-woman was convinced to eat from a magical tree by an infinitely sadistic being disguised as a talking snake with legs.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 17:29

      I see that some of my posts have been deleted. Uncertain. Cannot bear their superstitions to be questioned.

  • jaz82 - 2012-02-07 10:19

    And what the pastor going to hit him with a bible? It is scary that even at church a person is not safe. makes you think

      John - 2012-02-07 11:02

      This is epic! Jaz and Godfrey are commenting each other.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 11:35

      @John You sound very, very upset about something. Are you Ok? Perhaps you need to get help!

      Scouter - 2012-02-07 11:54

      One thing is for sure Godfrey, John is not the one upset with God.

      jaz82 - 2012-02-07 12:32

      Ja ne, people like you Godfrey that needs to grow a brain before commenting, oh wait, do not comment, rather keep quiet, that is what you born to do

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 13:55

      Well I don;t think I upset his god either, seeing that ............... Oh! He's invisible. For god so loved the world that be drowned millions of tiny children in a great flood - and then a thousand years later he changed his rules to damn 90% of humanity to eternal hell because they didn't believe he killed himself to save himself so he could forgive us all and presumably not drown millions of babies in another flood or something. Does that sound insane or not.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-02-07 15:00

      Atheists are funny!!!!!!!!

  • Mlungisi - 2012-02-07 10:26


  • Melanie - 2012-02-07 10:26

    only thing to stop or atleast minimize robberies is jobs. if my family was starving you can bet your bottom dollar that i will be robbing whoever has more than me. doesnt make it right...but its fact all the same. christianity wont even come into it. im glad the victims are alive this time.

      Marion - 2012-02-07 10:42

      @Melanie... would you be robbing your fellowman in a face to face situation, or would you be stealing food at your local supermarket? It's a fact that in South Africa we have professional criminals now. Robbing others at gunpoint, for example, is their full time job. It has nothing to do with their families starving. 'Honest' people whose families are starving either beg for food or steal from supermarkets.

      Marion - 2012-02-07 10:44

      We don't have enough charitable organisations (cos the government isn't going to help)in South Africa to help the starving. Although I saw on tv the other day that Gift of the Givers was turned away when they wanted to give food where they saw a need. So they took it elsewhere where it was appreciated.

      John - 2012-02-07 11:11

      @ Marion Umma....You have no idea what philanthrop means. You can't attack anyone that has rights to vote (as per your previous posts) and play Mother Tereza at the same are miserably inadequate.

      Scouter - 2012-02-07 11:56

      I do not believe that it is John who is displaying a deep seated anger here, Godfrey.

      Marion - 2012-02-07 11:57

      @John... your reasoning escapes me. You have no idea whether I am philanthropic or not. Loving humanity has nothing to do with telling humanity when you think it is wrong about something (obviously with reference to my other posts). And what someone who has the right to vote has anything to do with any of this is totally beyond my comprehension. But then again I am miserably inadequate in your opinion.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 13:56

      Well Scouter - angry enough to have my post deleted. HaHa! Why get angry and delete my comment when you can beg you god to deal with me? Oh, he doesn't delete comments. I understand.

      Scouter - 2012-02-07 14:19

      @Godfrey I thought only the original poster or the moderator can delete a comment? A bit disturbing if just anyone can delete a comment they don't happen to agree with. I assumed you had done the deleting in the better interest of good taste.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 15:34

      No Scouter I never delete (unless my typo's are so atrocious that I need to re-post). And I never report anyone else's comments. I like freedom of speech.

      Scouter - 2012-02-07 16:23

      On that one Godfrey, I am in total agreement with you.

      trix.duvenage - 2012-02-23 17:43

      @ godfrey: You are pathetic but ask yourself one question: Where will I spend eternity. I think you need help seriously but maybe you are beyond repair and in that case my humble advice is that you must constantly look over your shoulder where ever you go. There are forces in the unseen world that might not like your mocking attitude.

  • Treyzo - 2012-02-07 10:28

    why should anyone be surprise we are living in the crime capital of the world

  • Kyle - 2012-02-07 10:47

    god helps those who help themselves

      Lerato - 2012-02-07 13:39

      @ Kyle from Genesis to Revelation - nowhere its written that "God helps those who help themselves" NOWWHERE!!!

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 17:30

      Ok Correction. Self-appointed representatives of gods help themselves.

      trix.duvenage - 2012-02-23 17:48

      Lerato: It is written nowehere but it is common sense. God is Spirit and He needs man to operate through. He even need YOU to help you. But godfrey cannot even understand that much. He is a natural man with natural insight and he will die in the manner he lives. And by this I do not mean to critisize or condemn him. That he is also doing for, and to himself as he is master of his own fate. Let him be.

  • Shipingana - 2012-02-07 10:59

    Fortunately the service’s collection was locked up in the safe. I had the key to the safe in my hand but when he asked, I said no, it was the house key." A white lie in the church also worked. Damn Tsotsi's....!!

      trix.duvenage - 2012-02-23 17:52

      giegiegiegiegie....yip.... they even made the pastor lie..... but then, it could have been a black/pink/maroun/yellow lie instead of a white one and THAT could have turned out badly. I would say the pastor took a chance that could have turned bad if even one of the tsotsi's went as far as to try those keys on the safe. But yes Shippi..... I like your sense of humor

  • Mike - 2012-02-07 11:22

    These scum will be first in the queue when the soup kitchen opens to feed the poor.

  • Jacqui - 2012-02-07 11:48

    Godfrey must really dislike his name. Maybe he should change it to Fred, Flinstone that is.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 14:00

      Oh. I can be Fred sometimes ........................

      Scouter - 2012-02-07 14:24

      I think you will find that God-frey is alluding to the proposition that he is free of God. That's just an educated guess though.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 15:42

      @Scouter Geez, I wish. Free of God. A god free world. What a wonderful thought.

  • thabi0209 - 2012-02-07 11:52

    at least they r alive

  • Fredster - 2012-02-07 12:46

    Godfrey you seem to comment a lot when it comes to matters of God. You sound very angry towards Him, so I suggest go and speak to someone

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 13:58

      How can I be angry with someone who does not exist? evidence for god = 0 And by evidence I mean ordinary, testable evidence and not tautologies. (the bible is evidence of what ancients thought and wrote about which is not evidence for a god). There is no rational evidence of a god. The only way to dispute that notion is to provide compelling evidence to the contrary, and not since the beginning of time has anyone ever produced any compelling evidence. Unless "I can feel him in my heart" or "uncle albert had gout until he prayed to jesus, who cured him of it" is your compelling evidence. ha ha.

      Marion - 2012-02-07 14:17

      As a believer I do not agree with what Godfrey says. He does however have the right to express his opinions on the topic just as everyone else here has the right to 'thank God' for this or that. I believe God exists in all of us and we exist in God. Some of us have found God within ourselves (to a greater or lesser extent) and some may one day find God within themselves. Until then they have the right to be atheists and express their opinions on the subject.

      Scouter - 2012-02-07 14:47

      @Marion you are quite right - but it doesn't give Godfrey the right to trash & mock the belief of others. That's the issue here - not what Godfrey happens to believe in or not. He just doesn't seem to get it though.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 15:38

      When Christians cease in their constant attempts to impose their beliefs, prejudices and views on the rest of society. Do I need to enumerate these? I will if you wish. Atheists bother because we genuinely care about what religion has done and continues to do to our world. We observe how it affects us, whether that effect be tangible such as suicide bombing, or ideological such as when it tries to change the law to restrict our freedom. What most atheists find especially despicable, the highest pinnacle on the mountain of religious immorality, is the brainwashing of children. These innocents are indoctrinated in dogma before they are even old enough to consider for themselves what is true and false, what is right and wrong. They are shackled in obedience, ever fearful of divine retribution for their failures. They are blood-soaked from instilled bigotry and hatred, so much so that many will gladly die for the cause. This is child abuse, impure and simple. And this wretched and most viscous cycle will repeat ad infinitum, unless hopefully, one day, it is finally broken and peace prevails over this madness. We've had enough of it.

  • Hoo - 2012-02-07 13:52

    @Godless Godfrey You see my little white friend, electricity is a little like the real God, my God!; now, you don’t see Him or electricity, but when you touch Him/it, or He touches you, you feel Him, but when you blaspheme God or despise electricity the result it is just the same..Shocking. But we all know your just hurt inside..., the problem you will still feel the consequences even for foolish utterances.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 14:23

      WooHoo How long did it take you to dream that one up. Silly, comment does not address the issue and threatened consequenses are risible. Blasphemy is a victimless crime unless your god exists. Where is your evidence for any of the thousands of gods worshiped by humans since the dawn of recorded time. Pick one, any one. Waiting in eager anticipation for another mealymouthed response ............

      trix.duvenage - 2012-02-23 18:16

      godfrey....if you give me you e address I will make it my work to explain God to you. God needs not be proved for He is the LIFE in You and in everything that lives on the planet. The day God withdraws from you for instance, your whole family will have one day off to place you some six feet under the ground. In that day you will have no ill brain program to hide behind as you will be in a position to see Him face to face. He is however a God of mercy and my prayer is that He will in that day have mercy on your soul [yes broe, you have a soul] You must understand gfrey.. inside every person on Earth is what is termed an astral immage of the person you can see with your natural eyes. In other words, YOU are not your BODY. You are inside your body. Your body will return to earth one day my friend but then the inner man will have to give account. Some do not believe this but my dear friend it will happen. If you do not believe me, go to a mirror and stare deep into your own eyes. Maybe you will be one of the lucky ones to see the inner person. Another test is to realise that no matter how much you love somebody.... the day that person passes on, his or her 'mate' will get people to remove the body as soon as possible. This shows that there is something 'inside' the body that is ALIVE. Then you must only come to tearms with the fact that the inner person is everlasting.... ETC.

  • mbulelo.dyasi - 2012-02-07 14:21

    Godfrey is a sick man who needs help as soon as possible. God-Frey get help man of gods.

  • TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-02-07 15:06

    Robbers with compassion or just plain stupid? The jury is out. Godfree, you tickle my funnybone.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 15:40

      And the religious think I am insane.

      Scouter - 2012-02-07 16:27

      I don't think you are insane Godfrey - in fact I suspect that you are quite a deep thinker at heart.

      Scouter - 2012-02-07 18:06

      Mind you, deep thinking can be interpreted as insanity on both sides of the divide. Better than extremism though - on all sides.

  • Scouter - 2012-02-07 15:52

    @Godfrey, this is not a loaded question - I am just curious. Please be serious for a moment and non-antagonistic. What do you actually believe in? Clearly not God - which is fine by me as it is your right to choose not to, after all. I am reluctant to assume that you are an aethiest however, as you may well not regard yourself as one in the traditional sense. As I say, not a loaded question - I just would like to know what your belief system is, in the absence of a god or a higher being. Not condemning, I'm just curious.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 16:59

      @Scouter Fair question. What do I believe in, Hmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,, Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm......! Ok. Myself, my wife, my family, my friends, I believe that dogs and cats are cool, that I am passable golfer, the worlds best systems developer and a fairly skilled mechanical engineer. What else. Ummmmmmmmmmm.......! Truth. I believe in truth and reject all forms of superstition, astrology, homeopathy, chiropody, psychics, fortune telling, gods, faith healing, holy books, horse racing tipsters, etc. I intensely dislike sheriffs of the court, dog licence inspectors, all bureaucrats, god peddlers (but when they knock on my gate I let them in and send them away confused), spongers, hypocrites and insurance salesmen. Oh, I was brought up as a Christian but I soon saw through all of that at an early age.

      Scouter - 2012-02-07 17:31

      Thanks for that Godfrey and your honesty. Other than one particular point of departure we seem to mostly share the same likes and dislikes! A sense of humour helps - which you are clearly not lacking in. Something this world could do with a lot more of, in my opinion.

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 18:34

      Jeez, If we cannot laugh at ourselves then we are truly doomed. 10. No one will kill you for not drinking Beer. 9. Beer doesn’t tell you how to have sex. 8. Beer has never caused a major war. 7. They don’t force Beer on minors who can’t think for themselves. 6. When you have a Beer, you don’t knock on people’s doors trying to give it away. 5. Nobody’s ever been burned at the stake, hanged, or tortured over his brand of Beer. 4. You don’t have to wait 2000+ years for a second Beer. 3. There are laws saying Beer labels can’t lie to you. 2. You can prove you have a Beer. 1. If you’ve devoted your life to Beer, there are groups to help you stop. I forgot to add that to my beliefs.

      Scouter - 2012-02-07 20:24

      Very good & subtle - one or two points though; 9)Regretably on occasion I've found beer can dictate how you have sex - or rather don't get it all through havng too much of it! 6)Too right - give freely when someone asks though. 2)Can't argue that one - one of the few arguments winnable when pissed. Addendum - 1) sense of humour failure tends to manifest when someone upsets your beer :) 2) always be prepared to defend your beer of choice

  • Jenny - 2012-02-07 16:00

    On a lighter note: An atheist was walking through the woods. 'What majestic trees! What powerful rivers! What beautiful animals!’ He said to himself. As he was walking alongside the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly bear charge towards him. He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was closing in on him. He looked over his shoulder again and the bear was even closer. He tripped and fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up but saw that the bear was right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw and raising his right paw to strike him... At that instant the Atheist cried out, 'Oh my God!' Time Stopped. The bear froze. The forest was silent. As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky. 'You deny my existence for all these years, teach others I don't exist and even credit creation to cosmic accident.' Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer?’ The atheist looked directly into the light, 'It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask you to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps you could make the BEAR a Christian?’ 'Very well,' said the voice. The light went out. The sounds of the forest resumed. And the bear dropped his right paw, brought both paws together, bowed his head and spoke: 'For what I am about to receive, may the Lord make me truly thankful, Amen.'

      Godfrey - 2012-02-07 17:00

      I hear versions of this before but yours is the best.

      Barefoot - 2012-02-07 19:21

      Looking at this from a Christian point of view i would argue that god is not very forgiving even to a man so humbled by the err of his ways that he choose not to lie but try to convert the creature next to him into a Christians granted this is just a joke

      Scouter - 2012-02-07 20:31

      @Barefoot - that kind of spoils some of the Colonial gunboat missionary endeavour!

  • mashavha - 2012-02-13 10:26

    whats next?We are becoming an immoral country and we don't even respect churches anymore.Whats next?

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