Phiyega worried about police murders

2012-09-01 22:32

Johannesburg - The killing of police officers was becoming a worrying trend, national police commissioner General Riah Phiyega said on Saturday.

"This scourge does not only deprive us of members... but families lose breadwinners too," she said in Pretoria.

Most officers were killed in the line of duty.

Phiyega was speaking at the Police and Prisons Civil Rights Union's (Popcru) executive meeting.

"Police officers are people too... they are humans made of flesh and blood."

The scourge required extraordinary interventions together with communities, NGOs and the business sector.

"This worrying trend also creates an enormous skills gap within the police service whose duty is to keep the country safe and secure," she said.

Police deaths were an undesirable distraction from building the country.

  • paulvernonza - 2012-09-01 22:48

    The answer is simple do the same as the USA Kill a cop you get the CHAIR the end

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-09-01 23:35

      Well they do not get "the chair" everywhere. The common thread, however, is societal and police shock, distress and outrage when a policeman is killed. It *seems*, that here no-one gives a damn when a cop is killed. The reasons are many, granted. Until *all* of us get hugely p'd off at cops being mowed down and the general thuggery is made to feel that cop killing is going to make them a very high priority target, it will just be another statistic to add to the escalating mountain of statistics on violent crime

      francois.smith.7 - 2012-09-02 06:21

      Goeiemore boere, as julle wil he^ die vrou moet oor julle veligheid bekommerd wees, sluit aan by die reserviste of leen 'n polisie-uniform. Dit is nou nie asof julle nie broodwinners is en 'n kritiese rol vir voedselveskaffing vir ALMAL speel nie en daar word meer landbouers as polisielede doodgemaak.

  • thobejane.thabo - 2012-09-01 23:07

    since cele operation things got worse he gave them power that they cannot control

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-09-01 23:52

      Giving the police powers doesn't automatically hand criminals a license to kill policemen.

  • alfred.galeboe - 2012-09-01 23:11

    She is worried about the police who are killed on the line of duty,what about the police who are killing the innocent people on line of duty of her.e.g Mbatha police student who killed Mokoka at Bramfisher for mahala

      michael.w.stander - 2012-09-02 08:06

      if you are on the wrong side of the law the face the barrel of a gun im sorry but this is rediculas for saying innocent people how can you prove it not everyone is sweet and innocent wake up

  • nicholas.graan - 2012-09-01 23:14

    Becoming a worrying trend?? This has been going on unabated for nearly 20 years!! This woman must rub the sleep out of her eyes. This is the second really stupid thing that she has said in two weeks. Stop stating the obvious dear and prove us all wrong by fixing the problems we all already know about that seem unfixable!

      chanki.modise - 2012-09-01 23:17

      I agree on top of that she is clueless

  • jimzimbo - 2012-09-01 23:43

    "Becoming a worring trend" are you for real??? !!! how many police officers have died voilent deaths in the last 18 months??? let alone the last 5 years and you are only now becoming worried???? Are you in touch with reality???

      Molebatsi Sehenye - 2012-09-02 01:14

      Mr this a platform 4 ppl to come with constructive critisism and factual points,if u cant tell hw many police officers died in the last 8 months is deeply disturbing.Go make an informed comment b4 posting your cheap comment.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-09-02 01:55

      Around 100 police die in the line of duty every year – 57 have been killed so far this year. This stat excl cops who were off duty when they were killed

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-09-01 23:50

    If you are a law abiding citizen you will not have a problem with the police. Only criminals criticise the actions of our police. It is obvious that we have so many criminals in this country.

      croix.mactee - 2012-09-02 05:03

      "Only criminals criticise the actions of our police"-Now that is the biggest BS I've heard this century. There are literally thousands of cases where the police have screwed up and need critisism by the citizenry of this country. Mr Croucamp cannot be in touch with reality.

      tw2066 - 2012-09-02 09:03

      Then I must be a criminal too. The SAPS of today are not a SHADE on what they should be. This woman is worried about her useless staff, I am worried about the safety of my family!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      sarah.s.hodson - 2012-09-02 16:31

      First of all I do agree that some of our police force is useless but not all of them my husband is a dedicated highly trained policeman who is not USELESS and puts his life on the line for you and your all you people are so worried about yourselves and think you have the right to just run down anyone one night if he gets shot dead while trying to protect your family you won't give a crap that two small children have lost their father as long as your family is safe so Mr Croukamp well said and thanks for the support From a dedicated hardworking policemans wife

  • dnxumalo2 - 2012-09-02 01:20

    I wish I could say the same too but I cant.The police have given the south african citizens more than enough reasons to dislike them.I suspect that some of these killing are encouraged by police themself in the way they treat innocent people.what is the use of being a good citizen if that does not make you immune from abuse by police.They think that carying a gun makes you invincible and start abusing people.I wish they were wise enough to see what they are doing to themselves.police can not differentiate between war against crime and war against South Africans.

      Luvo Mhletywa - 2012-09-02 06:33

      ppl seems lyk dey want police to die killed by ppl claiming to be demandin better wages! but y dey killed each ada coz dats whr police steps in as law enforcement, its a police duty to mk sure citiezen of dis country r safe n protected not killed by striking miners, and on top of dat strikers continue to challenge police wt live ammunition, wht els police suppose to do to protect themselves, police ddnt go n c sangomas to gv them muti to fyt police! ppl lets understand dat ws not a peaceful demand 4rm de begining! police defended themselves 4rm shooting.

      dnxumalo2 - 2012-09-02 07:27

      Luvo most fallen states and those that are about to fall made one common mistake which is to give either police or the army more powet than their voters or the citizens.Look at libya,Somali, Syria,here at home the previous govenment.Gun power does not solve but creates problems.Just watch American police and listen if they ever use violent words against their citizens and you will see what i am talking about.That is because they fight crime not people.They shoot rogues not innocent people.please do your research and find out how many small children have been gunned down by police in South Africa.young and many people have been shot by police while they could have easily been arrested.I am not talking about Marikana but just in general now.Another good example of abuse is when someone arrests you without any evidence that can be presented in America they will tell you they do not arrest people without evidence that can be proven beyond reasonable doupt in they arrest wrong people all the time, or conduct investigatin when you are already in jail and there is no sory when you are found to be not guilty.police can easily be used by peple who want to settle telling you this because i have been a victim of such boss ,my assistant and the secirity gurd made a joint effort to try and make me lose my job by removing a computer from my office and when i reported it to the police i got boss is a deployed manager who is favoured by the police.i won the case but i lost a lot of money.they then started to harras me even on the street these damna bastards ie their police friends until i intimidated them with legal action.they have since stoped but i am no longer a police fan.

      The4thHorsemen - 2012-09-02 08:00

      @dnxumalo2 this is Africa not America, they do not face violent criminals on a daily basis! SA has one of the most violent societies in the world. As it was said earlier we try and solve everything with violence in SA

      dnxumalo2 - 2012-09-02 09:00

      The4th violence breeds violence same as for violent crimes lie in free education, good jobs and policies that will be followed and not only be seen on paper.simple analogy when ants pest you in your house for food you dont do pest control by using chemicals but you remove the root cause...that is keep your place clean and remove food spills.we spend too much money on guns and cars for police instead of giving that money to people to go to school or start a business.hence this vicious cycle.

  • piet.boerie - 2012-09-02 01:46

    We are a violent distubed nation. We use violence to solve problems. 25 000 murders a year and over 15 000 road deaths most countries declare a national disaster, to us is normal. We have become resigned to our fate. So has the murder rate increased since Liberation or decreased? It has increased and growing larger the longer the alliance is in power. It has all to do with the culture of our political class, as in Aparthied years and now they will resort to voilence to fix issues. The violence starts at the top which sets the tone for the people. The leaders always use terms of war, struggle, machine gun, kill the boer its these milatant utterings that set our culture. Where in the world do you see leaders of countries with that kind of talk. Only in countries with violence. See violent taxi protest, violent delivery protests, violence against the DA march, the cadres killing each other for jobs, violent school protests, violent Cosatu marhces and the Mine massacre. In fact you can tell an ANC march, its violent, vendors and foreign owend spaza get robbed and trains get burnt, let alone public property and schools. MORE ANC LEADERS HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THIER OWN FOR TENDERS AND ACCESS TO GOVERMENT RESOURCES THAN KILLED BY THE APARTHIED NAZIS. So the governement sets the tone for our culture and it is also no suprise given JZ attitude towards women we have the highest rape statistics in the world. So next time you raise your fist think about the culture.

      Steven Trollip - 2012-09-02 06:53

      Piet very well said!!!!

      tw2066 - 2012-09-02 09:05

      ANC and culture are strange mix of words.

  • gandanga.tororo - 2012-09-02 02:03

    Riah Phiyega YOU ARE BRAINLESS; who is not being killed. Don't be myopic look at all individuals being killed on a daily, weekly and monthly. Maybe you get a solution. What product do the police produce? Good for nothing except corruption.

      gngaleka - 2012-09-02 02:35

      What is brainless about condeming police killings while addressing a police union conference tororo. Sometimes i wonder if people like you apply their minds before they send their comments on public platforms like this one.

  • croix.mactee - 2012-09-02 04:45

    I am venturing that the greed of the ANC members is the "biggest and baddest" distraction from 'building the country'. And what about the hundreds of public lives lost each month in violent crimes? Catch a WU!

  • Nhlanhla Zondi - 2012-09-02 05:30

    May you should put the blame at the police themselves especially the Tectical Response Team(TRT) also known as Amaberete cause they are the ones who terrorizes law abiding citizens and that in turn creates hatred for the police force as a whole

      joe.mangena.1 - 2012-09-02 07:59

      That's true Zondi, they are that rotten potato in the bag,

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-09-02 06:13

    Inside job always

  • Mandla - 2012-09-02 06:34

    if the police car stop infront of me what must i do , sleep dwn ?there will shoot me anyway,run ?no no no deadly too,just shoot shoot shoot till i m death too? no .what must i do ?

      Steven Trollip - 2012-09-02 06:47

      you you must must sssstay attt your home ttthen no no no not in strrreet

  • Malose-Nyatlo - 2012-09-02 06:38

    We are a nation with a twisted psyche commissioner, and we have long crossed the line of humility. The random slaughter of teachers, doctors, farmers - almost everybody - is testimony to our nation's savage nature and needs constitutional overhaul at crime fighting and prevention. If not, this country will soon be left with criminals tearing each other to pieces!

  • Verity Fourie - 2012-09-02 06:58

    i can well understand the hate against cops: i was on the helpless end of their abuse and corruption when thoughts of murder crossed my own mind. i have little respect for them. the fact that most of them just sit around doing nothing but dig their noses and cannot spell does not help. their image is BAD.

      Bosvark Van Rensburg - 2012-09-02 08:18

      Your so right, they harass people and get away with it.

  • vmeiring1 - 2012-09-02 07:02

    OK, but farm murders and nornal citizen murders is not worrying?

      Steven Trollip - 2012-09-02 07:41

      yes apparently only the protesters got rights.I also don't understand.

  • Maphola Mogale - 2012-09-02 07:27

    Ria who is not being killed, your police are killing harmless and innocent people every day, what are you saying about that.

  • robi.robert.963 - 2012-09-02 07:41

    THis woman is challenged by his job.She creates enemity between the police and the public and then become worried. It is strange and amazing. As a leader for public institution, you cannot praise police for killing miners then become worried. You cannot be in the public platform and said what she said. Those miners are part of the public and have their families and relatives.Leaders must be sensitive to the needs of others and avoid contraversial statements. She must step down with immediate effect cause she is bringing the name of JZ who appointed her into disrepute by appointing her.

  • punungwe - 2012-09-02 07:46

    Here is what is needed. 1. Everyone who kills a police officer must be found and prosecuted. 2. Murder of a police officer in uniform should automatically carry the maximum penalty, which is life in SA. I would recommend the death penalty. 3. Rewards must offered for informing on police killers. Informers' identity must always be protected. 4. Police, judicial officials and prison warders should stop accepting bribes from dangerous criminals and allowing them to escape. They are only putting the lives of their colleagues in danger by doing so. 5. The case of every cop killer who is caught must be highly publicised to send a warning to others. 6. South Africa needs to work very hard to end a culture of violence in its psyche. It contributes to the general cheap regard of life.

      dnxumalo2 - 2012-09-02 10:47

      and you forgot to add that police othe other side must continue shooting children and members of our communities.that police should think of themselves as law unto themselves.that we must live in fear that we might be framed for crimes that we have not committed just because you happened to take a police officers girl friend and so on.

      nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-09-02 12:12

      Punungwe - Harsh words, but the death penalty for murderers. In civilized countries where violence, greed, hate, desire and ignorance are mental filth, there the death penalty is not necessary for the word prison are associated with 'evil'. To those 'clever white' commentators who disagree with 'blacks' with good intentions irrespective of poor spelling are scum.

  • melanie.booysen - 2012-09-02 08:01

    Give the police the right to have a zero tolerance attitude against ANY criminal. The fact that criminals in this country has so much rights is the cause of your problem Phiyega. Give the power to the SAPS and train them better.

  • michael.w.stander - 2012-09-02 08:02

    This is a problem ourself has created by not being allowed to disciplen children in schools let alone at home society is our own enemy you voted now stand by your choice . it is sad that police are killed in the line of duty by thugs and i stand behind our police to use zero tollerance as a motto that is the only way to treat this and cure our sick people . unfortunatly our law protects criminals and not the people who stay on the straight and narrow i say screw the laws and begin from the star in building a new law for us as normal people to be protected or get used to see news headlines like " murderer gets 2 years " we as people should stand together no more crap like this should be allowed after caturing a crimenal for theft or rape they are protecting the thief thats why our police are being killed and crime is so high bring back the chair !!!!!!

  • melanie.booysen - 2012-09-02 08:02

    Give the police the right to have a zero tolerance attitude against ANY criminal. The fact that criminals in this country has so much rights is the cause of your problem Phiyega. Give the power to the SAPS and train them better.

      Thando Tdoz Kubheka - 2012-09-02 10:34

      Melanie i think u r the only one with common sense here the rest they use their balls to think

  • thabo.modiba.7 - 2012-09-02 08:13

    You are worried about police murders ? We are worried about general murders.

  • Bosvark Van Rensburg - 2012-09-02 08:14

    What about innocent citizens that are killed by same scumbags every hour in this country. It is a problem when you start valuing the human life differently and that will influence more hate towards our police officers by criminals.

  • Vince.York - 2012-09-02 08:18

    Of equal concern is that the police have lost all their objectivity and impartiality and become biased political pawns and cannon fodder for populist politicians and their foisted cadres. Teachers, police and professional persons used to be honored with enormous respect and status and earnings as they are throughout most of the world still today, BUT IN SA, TEACHERS & POLICE and most other disciplined professions are relegated to the bottom of this over-politicized racist anc regime pit - - and the youth are just a 'morass and warren of searching lost cause' forced to speak this new racist regimes 1st official language, "that Uguh Uguh language" that has no other additional grammar or spelling other than nuance and pitch and frenzy at each feeding trough. Basic education of knowing the law is out the window, and even elders in the shining high positions of the constitution are silent and retroactive not progressive and proactive Basic education of financial control is non-existent, merely based on do as the puppet leader does and snatch all that glisters and glitters and then even worse, sign up deals & contracts that are so over-inflated that everyone's children will suffer huge poverty for many decades & generations to come, just so a few popular political thieves can continue to pay their evil contractual obligations, energy, fuel, infrastructure, roads, rail, land grab via THEFT of soft target budgeted finding allocations and a list so long, impossible to complete here

  • david.robinson.7509836 - 2012-09-02 08:19

    Based on her comments, I doubt this woman is smart enough to iron my shirts, never mind run a Police Service

  • terrence.schwartz.1 - 2012-09-02 08:44

    Ms Phiyega has no idea what police work is all about, she is a political appointee, as was J.Selebi and B. Cele. Until such time as an experienced policeman is appointed, the problems with the Police will continue. Police work is much more than management.

      dnxumalo2 - 2012-09-02 10:33

      It wont be possible to get someone who has been a police because that position needs someone who is a critical thinker and who is educated.Police are short tempered and dangerous becauuse that could not even finish grade seven some of them.all they want is war.we need peace and only educated people can be peaceful.

  • tony.calitz - 2012-09-02 10:10

    If this is the best that our new SAPS chief honcho cab come up with, then our initial misgivings about her appointment have been justified. AND - the media actually bother publishing this rubbish??? Police killings, like farm killings, have been happening for years now. They have been a major point of concern & a blot against the leadership & policies of the ruling party almost since 1994. For her to say that this is 'becoming a worrying trend' at THIS point is about as pathetic a comment as we could have expected from anyone in the ANC! It looks like her tenure is going to consist of pretty much more of the 'same-old-same-old'. Just like Big Jake's Jol has been since he was given his job. And the majority of the voters will simply continue to 'suffer fools gladly'. It's a crying shame.

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-09-02 10:10

    Rea, your opinion is actually bizarre coming from an untrained, useless politically appointed commisioner. You are making a fool of yourself and SA the joker of the world!

  • Thando Tdoz Kubheka - 2012-09-02 10:31

    at least she acknowledges the fact that police are dying with dead police who is gonna tackle crime?

  • maokeng.mankge - 2012-09-02 11:17

    Hang urself Phiyega

  • lynne.barker.7 - 2012-09-02 11:21

    Why don't our police use shields when confronted by crowds of armed strikers. Tear gas and high power hoses should be used. You do not see police overseas using live amunition. Wake up Rhia you are in charge!!

  • manduleli.maphala - 2012-09-02 11:25

    No one can worry about police man bcause ithink if you can stop those guyz when you go to the shebeen you will find the police with uniform drinking alcohol the car parking here .so where are we going ,some of police doing crime and peaple dont'rust .

      mzwakhehamilton - 2012-09-09 23:30

      Phiyega ur days r numberd u let thr police 2 kill a ennocent people

  • manduleli.maphala - 2012-09-02 11:26

    No one can worry about police man bcause ithink if you can stop those guyz when you go to the shebeen you will find the police with uniform drinking alcohol the car parking here .so where are we going ,some of police doing crime and peaple dont'rust .

  • solanga.maluleke - 2012-09-02 14:33

    Police must employ people who do not drink,smoke so that they an be able to do their job properly. They will be always killed as they take their pride to taverns when drinking with those who are not police officials.

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