Phiyega worries over attacks on police

2012-08-11 14:04

Johannesburg - Police Commissioner General Riah Phiyega on Saturday expressed concern and shock at the attacks on police officers.

"Violent crime, in all its manifestations, is unacceptable and the South African Police Service will continue to work within the framework of the law to bring these perpetrators to book," Phiyega said in a statement.

This came after two separate attacks on police officers in Gauteng this week.

A Gauteng police reservist died in hospital in the early hours of Friday after he was stabbed in Orlando, Soweto.

Warrant Officer Moladluzi Ramatsetse was attacked on Thursday when patrolling police approached a man thought to have dagga in his possession.

When he tried to search the man he pulled out a knife and stabbed Ramatsetse twice in the chest.

"Ramatsetse managed to draw a firearm as he fell to the ground and shot at the suspect who was fatally wounded. The reservist was rushed to a nearby hospital but unfortunately died from his injuries," Phiyega said.

"My condolences and prayers go out to the family, friends and colleagues of the late Ramatsetse."

In Akasia, Pretoria, while police were trying to arrest a man who allegedly stabbed and wounded another man on Tuesday, he pulled out a knife and stabbed a police officer twice.

The stabbed officer retaliated by firing shots, which killed the man.

Phiyega said the officer was in critical condition at a local hospital.

  • roann.louw.7 - 2012-08-11 14:12

    A man lost his life because of dagga? You need to check what laws you are trying to enforce

      Hermann - 2012-08-11 15:49

      The man stabbed a police officer with a knife. Are suggesting that vermin should be given a gold medal? By the way knives are not only used to cut biltong.

      steve.dupreez - 2012-08-11 16:13

      Should the madam not be more concerend over the killings of farmers?? We've lost more farmers to killings than police.

      etienne.dorfling - 2012-08-11 16:20

      Hahaha welcome to the world of the civilian. With the gun laws limiting the civilians to defend themselves and the law itself defending the criminal can you see now why people are immigrating els where or protesting against crime. It’s not that we (civilians) wake up one morning and think…. Let’s complain about something… wait lets complain about crime…. NOW if you think to yourself minister (focus minister…. Don’t loos me) if they ATTACK AND KILL police … (focus) what do they feel for the husband and wife and baby they kill (and rape the baby and wife….focus) WE HAD ENOUGH!!!! Yours faithfully …. a civilian

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-11 16:53

      steve.dupreez Your comment shows how stupid you are. How can the police protect farmers if they are stabbed to death.

  • smalefane - 2012-08-11 14:16

    The police must be tough on criminals. Love him or hate him, Bheki Cele sure knew how to do his job. Unfortunately he fell into the comrades' mentality of self enrichment. I don't see Phiyega succeeding in the fight against crime. This is not the corporate world. Condolences to the deceased family.

      mantsho.tlali - 2012-08-11 15:42

      l agree with you, Bheki Cele new his job, and he was a tough cop. But you cannot fight crime and be a criminal at the same time.I am really sorry about him. l think that SA SHOULD have a Death Penalty, the crime is so violent, if shoot to kill law does not scare this criminals, what law we should have or use?

      John - 2012-08-11 17:21

      Sorry to contradict you. The SAPS is a corporation which is why you are referred to as a CLIENT. They have lost sight of the fact that you are MAN or WOMAN. Look outside your local Policy enforcing station. Ever wondered WHY?

      John - 2012-08-11 17:23

      Sorry to contradict you. The SAPS is a corporation which is why you are referred to as a CLIENT. They have lost sight of the fact that you are MAN or WOMAN. Look outside your local Policy enforcing station. Ever wondered WHY?

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-08-11 14:20

    My heart felt condolences to the fallen SAPS least he didn't perish in vain. He took that low life scum of the earth with him. I wish the other SAPS member a speedy recovery.

  • lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-11 14:22

    In these specific incidents, it would seem that training (or the lack thereof) is a contributing factor. There are specific processes and procedures to control and search a perpetrator, starting with the assumption that they will more than likely be carrying a concealed weapon(s).

      kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-08-11 14:43

      Wolf u r right, tell them to bring swat courses back, how can u be trained in 1980 without follow-ups nd be expected to be still sharp

      jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-08-11 14:55

      Couldn't agree more Lacrimose. Training should be a ongoing process to all field members of the SAPS, and not a once off to graduate. Includig mandatory firearm evaluations.

      John - 2012-08-11 17:12

      Have you ever heard of Criminal Procedures Act 51 of 1977. Read section 19 through 50 and you will see where policy enforcers are failing. We have the RIGHT and DUTY to defend ourselves from unlawful search by the thug police.

      John - 2012-08-11 17:12

      Have you ever heard of Criminal Procedures Act 51 of 1977. Read section 19 through 50 and you will see where policy enforcers are failing. We have the RIGHT and DUTY to defend ourselves from unlawful search by the thug police.

      John - 2012-08-11 17:13

      Have you ever heard of Criminal Procedures Act 51 of 1977. Read section 19 through 50 and you will see where policy enforcers are failing. We have the RIGHT and DUTY to defend ourselves from unlawful search by the thug police.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-11 17:40

      @John - easy on the Post Comment button there buddy. Everywhere you go I see you in triplicate :)

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-11 17:58

      In South African law a peace officer may without a warrant search an arrested person and seize any article found in the arrestee's possession, custody or control, which may afford evidence of the commission of an offence. Further, the peace officer may place in safe custody any object found on the person of the arrestee, which the arrestee may use to cause bodily injury to the arrestee or others.

  • nicholas.graan - 2012-08-11 14:29

    Um, incase you haven't notice Ms Phiyega, this has been going on unabated for the last 18 years ...

      terrence.schwartz.1 - 2012-08-11 15:08

      And before, MKs attacked/killed policemen who were just doing their work!!

  • judith.taylor.56 - 2012-08-11 14:35

    My condolences to the family. We have to legalise and tax drugs as well as prostitution. This will disempower two areas where gangs enrich themselves . It will also bring in more revenue and protect women from abuse. In addition, the courts and the SAPS will be able to deal with serious crimes. Most drugs were made illegal to support the tobacco industry. In countries where drugs and prostitutes are legalised there is notably less crime

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-08-11 14:41

    That's what happens when u tackle crime wth kid gloves, water cannons and rubber bullets. Criminals aren't afraid of cops...

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-08-11 14:47

    The cadres have been taught to murder, unfortunately, when the anc came into power, no one found it important enough to debrief the cadres. The anc created the problem, that is why juju boy sings songs of hatred and murder 17 years after apartheid has been disbanded, the anc created the problem, now deal with it.

      kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-08-11 14:50

      U r a real idiot, it's human lives we dealing with, not petty politics

  • kim.buren - 2012-08-11 14:49

    WHAT!!!!! Am I reading this correctly. What about the farmers being killed, women being raped, the general public being subjected to unlawfulness. Put these people away and bring back the death penalty so we all can live peaceful lives. I say harsher penalties who do not abide by the law.

  • kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-08-11 14:55

    You read some comments here and u ask yourself, Are this people for real? It's human lives we are dealing with, not petty politics that you don't even know abt, save your comments for politics, This is the problem that affects us all

      molelle1 - 2012-08-11 23:42

      Thanx kenny, you know people will talk but at the end when they are facing with the reality, they tend to run to Police officials.

  • paul.chambers.1000469 - 2012-08-11 15:13

    Don't SAPS officers have stab proof vests?

      louis.langenhoven - 2012-08-11 15:46

      I was wondering about this myself...supposed to wear bulletproof which covers a good part of "vitals"...sounds like it was unfortunately not the case. NOT that I want to blame the victims...a bulletproof is a clumsy, heavy, uncomfortable thing to wear for 8/12 hours...generally police work is damn unpleasant, especially in a country like SA where the public sees the police as fair game and whenever a police member acts he/she is being criticized and investigated...spare a thought for them

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-11 19:48

      The govt issued 'stab-proof vests' weigh 20kg MORE than the international standard. The international standard is circa 7kg. So please, strap on an extra 27kg everyday and see how well you move in that. Why are police tortured with this? Oddly the last remaining vestige of "buy South African". Vests manuf'd o/seas have advanced in both weight and ability to protect but our police force still has to wear the old-fashioned weighty kind that could sink a person to the bottom of the ocean because we do not have the technology to manufacture the lighter versions here and the police are forbidden to buy any other make

      archangel.zerachiel - 2012-08-11 20:11

      @pendula and Louis: BPV's (bullet proof vestsor Ballistic Armour) are, in case the hint about being BULLET PROOF sort of escaped your attention, are BULLET PROOF, NOT STAB PROOF. A BPV will offer no real protection against stabbing unless the ceramic plates are worn at the same time or if stab proof panels are inserted into your carrier. Both are extremely costly items. I have worn several different vests over the years and you wear what is appropriate for the scenario identified by your threat assessment.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-11 20:28

      @archangel - half-right. Our locally manuf'd kevlar is dated circa 1970's and may fail in up-close encounters with knives and bullets. However, there are many o/seas manufrs that produce a vest that better protects in these same circumstances. SAPS are not permitted to use these because they are not made here

      archangel.zerachiel - 2012-08-11 22:01

      lacrimose.wolf: I was not referring to South African made vests at all. I have worn several "brand name" vests but found out a long time ago that customising my tac-vest beat all those *name brands*, giving me level III protection while still ensuring my gear was where I wanted it, when I wanted it, and would stay there under worst case scenario deployment. Not knocking your SA made stuff at all, just saying that it made sense to buy the best I could afford, and to make sure it got replaced as needed. I have seen some of your SAPS vests, with the Kevlar panels all split open, allowing water/moisture ingress. *ick* And I have seen some in very good nick, but still would choose my rig over those. Be safe./ Watch your six.

  • nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-08-11 15:36

    Thank Jackie Selibi for getting paid to turn a blind eye on organised crime and thanks to him that corruption in the police is the order of the day and that is why criminal has no respect for the police.

  • Andre - 2012-08-11 15:42

    Bring back Bheki Cele. You can't hug criminals, you fight them with all the force necessary!

      kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-08-11 15:46

      I agree Andre

  • archangel.zerachiel - 2012-08-11 19:59

    @lacrimose.wolf: Your post "a peace officer may without a warrant search an arrested person." has absolutely nothing to do with John's justified comment regarding ILLEGAL SEARCH! There was no arrest therefore the SEARCH WAS ILLEGAL. Too many SAPS members have no idea when they may LEGALLY SEARCH. Too many SAPS members are too full of their own importance to understand that they are there to SERVE THE PUBLIC, NOT TO ABUSE THEM. Unfortunately, most of the above are infected with the African mindset that Might is Right, and the Laws be damned. No wonder people are not clamouring to assist in these circumstances. SAPS, understand that you are there to serve. Assist the public in defending themselves, instead of gleefully assisting the cANCer in removiung firearms from law abiding citizens. Refuse to enforce stupid quotas and concentrate on WORKING instead of SLEEPING, and the various communities will reciprocate. Until then, you are seen to stand alongside those with bad intent.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-11 20:31

      @archangel - how do you know there was no arrest? I stand alongside those whose job it is to enforce the law and have the right not to be stabbed in the process.

      archangel.zerachiel - 2012-08-11 22:06

      @lacrimose.wolf: My response was based on the article above. I have had to *enforce the law* and I agree, nobody deserves to be stabbed, nor do they deserve to be searched for no reason. So I gave you a thumbs up for your comment, even though I sort of got the feeling you were getting aggro. Chill brother, we are on the same side, as long as personal freedoms are not sacrificed on the alter of political expediency. Be safe.

  • donald.perumal - 2012-08-12 12:14

    Madam First and foremost ask the police to : a) NOT keep the company of known criminals, b) STOP assisting drug lords in their operations, c) STOP assisting known members of the mafia in organised crime, d)STOP taking bribes, e)STOP meddling in politics. Then you might save your members.

  • welcome.dili1 - 2012-08-14 19:56

    The reason behind this attack is transportation n it is not understandable because we are earning peanuts for example at KWAZAKELE SAPS PE we don't have transport to work n now we have to take taxis to work in the morning n last week a police from Kwazakele Saps robbed of his firearm whilst he was on his way home after duty*Commisioner please take this into consideration because our area is so dangerous and please keep my name annonymous

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