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Pistorius cop disappoints ANCWL

2013-02-23 07:17

Johannesburg - The ANC Women's League said it was disappointed on Friday by Warrant Officer Hilton Botha in his handling of Oscar Pistorius' murder case.

"We would like to express our disappointment in the conduct of the investigating officer, who seemed unprofessional and unprepared during his cross examination," spokesperson in Gauteng Jackie Mofokeng said, after bail was granted to the paralympian charged with his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp's murder.

Magistrate Desmond Nair criticised Botha's work at the scene, listing problems such as what happened to a first urine sample, why he did not contact Interpol to verify a magazine article that Pistorius had a house in Italy, why he did not "bother" to ask for or check Pistorius's or Steenkamp's cellphones, why he did not seize a memory stick, and why he did not call Netcare to confirm the call made by Pistorius.

A shout of "yes" went up in the court on Nair's ruling, prompting the ANC Women's League to complain that some men in court reacted "as if they had [seen] woman [as] a trophy, forgetting that an innocent woman has lost her life".

Mofokeng however said the league respected the decision of the court to grant Pistorius a bail.

"We remain vigilant in our demand for justice in the murder case of Reeva Steenkamp, and are satisfied that the charges remain a schedule six offence carrying a possible life sentence if found guilty," she said.

The Commission for Gender Equality said it hoped that the State would "up its game" in preparing for Pistorius' murder trial, so that public confidence in the justice system could be enhanced.

"The purpose of a fair trial is to ensure that justice is delivered for both the accused and the victim," the commission's chaiirperson Mfanozelwe Shozi said in a statement.

Bail was set at R1m, with conditions. Pistorius was arrested on 14 February after Steenkamp was shot dead in a toilet in his house.

He said he thought there was an intruder in the bathroom.

Comments
  • mark.booysen - 2013-02-23 07:23

    Noted! Now STFU!

      RabbleRouser - 2013-02-23 07:34

      The SAPS sent Inspector Clouseau to investigate. How can they allow the defence to bring in a locksmith to open a safe and remove a memory stick. It's a crime scene. Nobody, Absolutely nobody (other that the forensics team) is allowed to touch anything. Even the defence is not allowed anywhere near the scene except to answer questions.

      fussed.anderson - 2013-02-23 07:45

      Now I will be shot down by the ancwl, Why not change the prosecutor to a black man, will that make you happy. They are always promoted above anyone else. Nel should be assisting ...........

      Jack - 2013-02-23 07:58

      Really? He's a human being. Probably traumatised by what he has seen in the SAPS. What kind of support did he have. Why is he a WO after so many years? Could it have something to do with his colour. A bunch of political opportunists. If they cared about SAPS, and its ability to protect people, they should have been taking action since 1994!

      MJ - 2013-02-23 08:38

      Ladies, you disappoint this nation every day that you sit back and allow a sexist President go unchallenged. You did not even stand up for yourselves a demand greater representation within your own party, or for woman in greater society You made fools of yourselves dancing outside the court on Monday; as you bought into the tabloids sensationalist story of events and accepted it as fact. How much of those "facts" presented in court? No need to wonder why, it was speculation masked as fact. Raise your voices against woman abuse, murder, rape, inequality... etc etc, and we shall back your calls; but please be objective, approach these matters with fact, avoid pick and choosing which cases to champion based on race, class, locality, and political agenda. I agree Inspector Plod Botha let the State down, but this is the level of incompetence that faces us all everyday. It is one of the many reasons why so many rape victims don't want to report the incident. It is why in a nation with an estimated 40 murders per day, we have an embarrassingly low conviction rate. It was called from the start that this case not be given preferential treatment, yet suddenly they can assign a Lt. General to the case & a crack team to support him? Sounds preferential, or may we all request such ranking officers attend to similar cases requiring investigation? Instead of calling out one blue clown, take a stand against the system in its entirety. We all demand a better Police Force and Justice system.

      Petronell - 2013-02-23 09:18

      I wonder if he was perhaps intimidated - and if the intimidation perhaps came from someone who paid a government official to reopen his case (after the death and before he had to take stand at the hearing for bail) and say that it happened on the 4th already (we hear such terrible government stories so I guess it is possible). To me the strangest thing was that he learned about this on the day he was to go onto the stand. He was clearly rattled.

      mabheshankone.zosuthu - 2013-02-23 09:21

      The ANCWL has a male as their spokesperson the same way "the poor" are suddenly spoken for by "the rich" in South Africa."

      keith.f.murphy - 2013-02-23 09:55

      These ancwl are always the biggest trollers dont they have house work to go and cook for their husbands and family? Oh sh*t they are a real pain and yes why dont they appoint a black prosecutor? They know why ???????? Long live Magistrate Nair you a real king in the justice system and Salute to Roux for ratteling the big guns.The other big guns will smoke and fall be aware for Roux he is gonna tear you big smoking guns apart.The red Indians use to say ( White man speak with fork tonges for many many moons)And all the success to you Oscar we are with you we those who support you not the idiot trollers surfing the net.Desmond Nair you made history in South Africa and you shall go into the books of history.

      liam.dafydd - 2013-02-23 10:35

      Yes. STFU! And we are disappointed with the ANC gov and its president.

      bonolo.moswane - 2013-02-23 10:48

      I'm sorry, we still live in racist country. I'm just looking at the number of likes for race based comments that are obviously based on prejudist assumptions and not on fact. Where are the, "this is not about race" brigade. Funny thing is that what ANWCL said is what most people have noticed, including the judge, but some idiots see this as the perfect opportunity to settle old scores against them. Sad indeed.

      shirley.steenkamp - 2013-02-23 13:00

      Dont see any of you going mad outside court when farm woman are raped and tortured-then killed!!!!!! Just wanted your free publicity!

  • nick.spangenberg.52 - 2013-02-23 07:24

    yawn....

  • Bruce Gauld - 2013-02-23 07:25

    Anything connected to the 'anc' is just plain down stupid!!! Where the f#ck were they in Anene's case or anyone else for that matter?! Just a bunch of good for nothing fools trying to make their good for nothing voices heard. Throwing in their 2 cents worth. Idiots!!

  • Jaco Whoosh Pearson - 2013-02-23 07:29

    He disappointed us all. So why suddenly should the ANCWL opinion matter to anyone. Looks like stating the obvios and then taking credit for it is just how any ANC institution rolls.

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-02-23 08:58

      Why do the press report the ancwl drivel?

  • SKYWATCHER30 - 2013-02-23 07:31

    I am going to do the anc thng here and pull the race card but for reason. What would the ancwl attitude be if the perp was a high level black athlete, screams of racism would be heard from the mud hut tops I bet, now ancwl get lost and let the man be judged

      Mzikhaya Moses - 2013-02-23 07:35

      in case like this everyone is looking for a money it was accidant

  • Caddelle - 2013-02-23 07:31

    and this is the same ANCWL that toi toied for an accused rapist ZUMA.

  • Charles Frederik Robberts - 2013-02-23 07:32

    ANCWL first attend to your Winnie before making a noise and pre-judging

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-23 08:55

      And Angie, try to do your day job better.

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2013-02-23 08:59

      But winnie is a loser!

      john.cryink - 2013-02-23 10:18

      Wonder if ancwl supported winnie mandella in the death of Stompie many years back

  • Desiree.D.Rowe - 2013-02-23 07:35

    I truly wish that the ANCWL would do something constructive with their time. this was a bail hearing not a trial. They gave the President the benefit of the doubt but they won't apply the same to another. Talk about two faced.

      Charles Frederik Robberts - 2013-02-23 07:47

      Don't they have jobs or work to do,or do they also live on tenders?

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-23 08:55

      Angie has a job; she just doesn't do it.

  • Willie Olivier - 2013-02-23 07:36

    I also would like to express my disappointment in the ANCWL non response towards all the farm murders where thousans of woman already been killed!

      Charles Frederik Robberts - 2013-02-23 07:44

      YES! For sure!

      carolyn.simshandcock - 2013-02-23 08:03

      The ANCWL is just a bunch of fat-assed women with no real purpose but to shout the odds from time to time - go back to stirring your porridge ladies!

      trudy.riet - 2013-02-23 10:35

      Very good point Willie, last weekend there was an article about a 100 year old woman being raped, the suspect is still walking free, no comment from ANCWL, not even in the headlines any more.

  • Wandile Khuzwayo - 2013-02-23 07:38

    ANCWL please, SIT DOWN!!

  • Talana Malherbe - 2013-02-23 07:40

    And you ANCWL disappoint everyday, shut up and go do some real work!

  • marco.hudson.33 - 2013-02-23 07:44

    They should be more disappointed in their own President. With more capable policemen out there and around him I'm sure his case would've been more sufficient.

  • Muffin_man_can - 2013-02-23 07:45

    Complaining, making noise, toi toi, more nagging, gossiping and overeating.. All the ancwl are good for

  • gary.waal - 2013-02-23 07:52

    All you ever hear from the ANC leagues is nonsense comment and firebrand rhetoric. They have a way of always "expressing disgust" or "Disappointment" but never ever do anything CONSTRUCTIVE. I'm SO over these Kadre clubs.... If they're not promoting hate speak they're backing the juxtapostion (Leader) of their cause... ANCWL, ANCYL here's an idea! DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE for a change.

  • Shaun Matuwane - 2013-02-23 07:53

    ANCWL 1st of all didnt make out a good impressn about messing up these case by making it a political matter. Peoples feeling are involved,and all they do is talk nonsense. Someone needs to put them in their place.

      Shaun Matuwane - 2013-02-23 07:57

      Beautiful Ladies of South Africa,pay your respect to the Hero we've lost. Rather than doing what u doing. U messing up the peoples minds with your polotics of which not everyone is interested in.

      fussed.anderson - 2013-02-23 07:59

      @ Shaun Matuwane, no kfc store close by

  • Leratomontle Kapara Ramotshela - 2013-02-23 07:57

    If it was not on purpose like he said... Y ddnt he awake hs galfriend to tl ha that sm1 is in the house. Aftr that one shot, he went to bedroom like he said but ddnt he see theres no1 on bed? #puzzld#

  • Smart Peace - 2013-02-23 07:59

    People r so brain washed by apartheid to such an extent they always use 'race' even in cases where it doesnt matter

  • Kop Kop - 2013-02-23 08:01

    Ancwl you are headless chickens have u ever heard anything about anene bonette

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-23 08:58

      Who's anene bonette, Kop Kop? Do you mean Anene Booysen? Seems you've not heard anything about her, including her name.

  • Shaun Matuwane - 2013-02-23 08:03

    I bet 50% of ANCWL only do these thing to impress South Africas number one Mr Ladies Man a.k.a Jay-z the charming guy.

  • peet.beukes.1 - 2013-02-23 08:04

    Who cares?

  • Thembinkosi Jozie - 2013-02-23 08:04

    Can the ANCWL tell us what happened to the woman who accused Zuma of rape? Is she still alive?or u don't care because the accused is your hero

  • Auntie Lebo - 2013-02-23 08:06

    Hilton Botha is such a lousy cop these cops need to be trained on how to handle cases, now I just wonder of the thousands of cases we haven't been reading on whether guilty people really get away with murder,rape considering our saps does not seem to know what they are doing.

      arthur.salvado - 2013-02-23 08:17

      I agree Auntie. It's a case of proper education I think.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2013-02-23 08:20

      Auntie, OR The thousands of innocents, who were found guilty, based on police evidence !!!!!!!!!! .

      dennisthulani.molife - 2013-02-24 06:35

      Did he not train before 1994, when training was high standard?

  • michael.kleber.376 - 2013-02-23 08:08

    I agree with Botha having a case hanging over his head yet they forget that our president too had a case hanging over his head and that was not a problem , which position holds more importance , double standards being practiced here by the league

      spats.domingo - 2013-02-23 10:32

      The Pres has cases hanging over his head, not 1 case.

  • Mthokozisi Ntilini - 2013-02-23 08:11

    I jst wanna congratulate Adv. Roux for his work,you are a veteran lawyer indeed.

  • wayne.langenhouw - 2013-02-23 08:14

    Whaaaaaaa

  • arthur.salvado - 2013-02-23 08:16

    Why the confusion? This was not a trial but a mere bail application. The trial will be a totally different story. Irrespective of any evidence, Oscar is not a flight risk and not a threat to society. I believe he was a threat to Deeva but the is a subject for the trial and NOT a bail application

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-23 09:01

      anene bonette from Kop Kop, Deeva from arthur; come on, guys, at least get Anene Booysen and Reeva Steenkamp's names right.

  • tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-23 08:19

    I'd be more disappointed in the fact that he's facing 7 charges of attempted murder.

  • Lucky - 2013-02-23 08:19

    they really should stick to licking zoooomers whatever, what they do best, rather stay away from anything to do with women, bunch of toothless pant-wannabe-wearing hypocrites!

  • Snet Mbangata - 2013-02-23 08:20

    I'm sick n tired of this ANCWL who alwys thnk tat da law will alwys go their way,if they msnt b justice y they never shw up wen JZ ws accused of rape,da case is too dffct coz only 2 pips tat thy cn tell da truth (pistorious n reeva)its a pity tat reeva is dead so plz let justice do its job n stop interfering

  • antoinette.jordaan - 2013-02-23 08:21

    Where was the ANCWL for Anene Booysen in Bredasdorp? She got RAPED and GUTTED. They only pitch up or suddenly have ANYTHING to say when international media is present. What a load of crock. What do you really stand for?????? Woman's rights? Nope......that's nonsense. You're just glorified chorus girls for the ANC. Get a real job, and add value to this country. Hmph.

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-23 09:04

      Oh lord, Antoinette - the ANCWL as chorus girls? How am I going to EVER get that picture out of my head?

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-23 09:36

      That picture was so horrible I split an infinitive.

      strauss.steven - 2013-02-23 10:25

      Antoinette- you are spot on!!They dont care that Oscar is innocent (didnt blatantly shoot RS)and only see this as a platform to justify that the ancwl even have a right to exist. as a womens rights group why dont they rather focus on the main problem in this country and that is lack of law and order. if there was law and order in this country women wont get raped and men wont be tied up and killed while they have to watch this. Oscar would not have shot RS and AB wouldnt have been mixed up with a bunch of druggies that murdered her.

      Alan Smith - 2013-02-23 14:35

      Agreed. Never heard of this merry mob of cANCer propogandaists before the OP case. Interesting, given the appalling level of crime in this country.

  • Shane Prins - 2013-02-23 08:21

    actually, most supporters of the killer are women...yep the same ones who always shout no bail to rape accused and that gov must do something about violence against women...

  • nurse.helenk - 2013-02-23 08:23

    Many other people are also disappointed in Botha's lack of professionalism and ability, not just the ANCWL. I find it hilarious how some of these people now attack the ANCWL for voicing their same sentiment just because it is the ANCWL. Just FYI the ANCWL attends many court cases where there is violence towards women and children, both black and white, so this is not a new thing, it is part of their job to be visible at trials such as this to make their stand known.

      Nkululeko Gcwensa - 2013-02-23 10:58

      President Zuma was acquitted. The ANCWL supported him because most us especially in the ANC knew that it was an evil plot to discredit him. Please learn to be objective.

      Nkululeko Gcwensa - 2013-02-23 10:58

      President Zuma was acquitted. The ANCWL supported him because most us especially in the ANC knew that it was an evil plot to discredit him. Please learn to be objective.

  • Ivan Goodman - 2013-02-23 08:25

    Bunch of clowns performing for the crowns,I am not saying OSCOR is innocent or guilty ,IF you care about women then send your members to the thousands of murder cases around SA, stop trying to score cheap political points.

      Gary Doyle - 2013-02-23 08:41

      Anything anc is drawn to cameras and attention like flies to sh*t.

  • timothy.crowley.14 - 2013-02-23 08:25

    Amazing how nobody at least considers this as an act of deliberate intent by Hilton Botha, I at least would be highly suspicious! There were simply too many basic errors made by this man. He should be fired in my opinion, he is a victims liability!

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-23 09:06

      To say nothing of 7 charges of attempted murder re-instated against him 10 days before Reeva died. What was he even doing there?

  • nadine.hillary - 2013-02-23 08:26

    Do the ANCWL do anything other than protest or criticise? Seriously, perhaps I don't read the right news reports because I only hear of them when they protest. Cant they DO something to aid women of South Africa when we are victims of crime? ANCWL is after all a branch of the party in power...they have a platform - use it!

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-23 09:07

      They certainly used their platform to support Zuma during his rape trial.

  • tabisa.ndamase.7 - 2013-02-23 08:26

    I am very concerned about our cops, its like government does not take them for training. I really think that our state should up its game on handling this case so that the justice syatem can build the public confidence of our fellow South Africans.

      Hein Van Wyk - 2013-02-23 08:35

      They don't take pride in work anymore,

  • rudolph.stoltz.9 - 2013-02-23 08:28

    and who the f?ck are you ?

  • Pieter Labuschagne - 2013-02-23 08:29

    Wonder if a top cop would have been appointed if Oscar was black???

  • richard.scully2 - 2013-02-23 08:29

    And the ANC's Zuma disappoints everyone....

  • richard.scully2 - 2013-02-23 08:31

    Wonder if township murders are investigated in the same way or if the bodies are just left to decompose

      Fundukululukunjakunne Why Cano - 2013-02-23 08:37

      How about that. then they complain requesting no preferential treatment yet many other crimes are not given preference because those involved are not celebrities. Double standards indeed.

  • Jayden - 2013-02-23 08:32

    The fish rots from it's head , the whole system is very much incompetent, what did you expect ,nothing new

  • SJ - 2013-02-23 08:34

    ..coming from a bunch of people who voted for Zuma and disappointed the rest of by that idiotic choice.

  • maraisl - 2013-02-23 08:40

    The ANCWL is useless. Whilst women get raped and murdered daily they are only interested in a white dude shooting his wife. They have not taken a stance in regards to the reinstatment of the death penalty for violent rape crimes. So they should rather just shut up and let the law take its course.

  • Kay Carakas - 2013-02-23 08:43

    Hilton Botha please go to Australia. They need detectives in the outback. You can snooze nicely under a tree while the kangaroos are setting up courts. We want CSi people here

  • elkita.robbertse.96 - 2013-02-23 08:44

    Don't be disappointed.He is a flop like you all.A anc flop

  • john.tex.395 - 2013-02-23 08:45

    WTF

  • nick.kuhlenthal - 2013-02-23 08:46

    So here's a spin .... I feel sorry for Hilton Botha. Everyone expected him to do the job of investigating a complex crime scene, something that normally takes months to do in a mere 4 days. I'm also pretty sure that this was not his only case he was working on.

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-23 09:10

      As 7 charges of attempted murder had been reinstated against him on 4 February, should he have been working on cases at all?

      pur.pleibus - 2013-02-23 09:43

      I have heard that senior detectives normally have more than 75 cases to deal with at the same time. Plus you can bet Hilton Botha was being shouted at to hurry up with the investigation by the NPA, plus he has his own worries about the attempted murder charges... Then he has to face up to one of SA's very best advocates. Poor bloke didn't have a chance, so cut him some slack.

  • Wendell Keith Jacobs - 2013-02-23 08:46

    The courts will not protect victims of crime ,south africans seek your own justice .

      pur.pleibus - 2013-02-23 09:50

      You are so right. We are not protected at all from home invasions, robbery, housebreaking and assault, even rape and murder. So we seek our own justice, sleep with guns next to our beds and shoot at intruders. That's just what Oscar did and look where he is now. I am sure he is happy about your advice. You are an idiot.

  • Sipho Maseko - 2013-02-23 08:49

    The DA has never said anything either negative or positive about this case why? Is it because its only white people involved in this and that a white cop F••ked up??

      Hudayfah Newman - 2013-02-23 08:57

      They didn't say anything about the jub jub case either. Maybe its because they are wise enough to wait till the trial has run its course before running there mouths like the kfc addicts from ANCWL.

      Paul Van Schalkwyk - 2013-02-23 08:57

      ai toggie - your such a retard...this poor cop got thrown in the deap end and shaained at the sametime ! im a detective aswell, you cannot obtain all that information / blood reports/ forensic reports / exhibits reports / phone records in time he was given !

      tersia.louw.12 - 2013-02-23 09:11

      Is Hilton Botha white, Sipho?

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-02-23 10:25

      Sipho.Maseko. What are you talking about? Hilton Botha isn't white. Shows how little you know about white people. What a joke. Probably know f**k all about the DA too.

  • Nico Ratsela - 2013-02-23 08:49

    Oscar's defence team is very good far better than those goverment idiots who don't have facts in court