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Pistorius 'had a bad temper'

2013-02-16 11:32

Johannesburg  - As Oscar Pistorius awaits his bail application to be held at the Pretoria Magistrate’s Court on Tuesday, a different picture is being painted of the once beloved South African hero.

On Friday Pistorius made his first court appearance for the alleged premeditated Valentine’s Day murder of Reeva Steenkamp. It’s alleged that she was shot several times through a bathroom door in the early hours of Thursday.

The family of the tearful Pistorius on Friday said they believed he was innocent and requested that the “process of proper investigation by the police, evidence-gathering, and through the local South African judicial system” be allowed to take its course.

Steenkamp has been described as a sweet and amazing person who didn’t deserve to die, which has prompted former soccer player Mark Batchelor to reveal details of what led to the fight, in November, in which Pistorius threatened to break his legs because the model had been his close friend.

The Saturday Star newspaper reported that Batchelor said Pistorius’s behaviour on a previous occasion had been problematic.

He claimed Pistorius was fuming when he discovered that, while he was participating in the London Olympics, his then-girlfriend Samantha Taylor had become involved with his multimillionaire friend, Clifton Shores producer Quinton van den Bergh.

 “Quinton was [at Kyalami race track] with about 50 people when Oscar approached him. He swore at him badly, saying he had no right to interfere with Sam. He said he would break his legs and fuck him up.” Batchelor claimed Van den Bergh was shaken and embarrassed.

He told the Saturday Star he was angry when he heard about the confrontation and he called several mutual friends of Pistorius to tell the runner to back off. A few days later he received a call from Pistorius.

“He called me ‘boy’ and said he wanted to clear the air, saying he had heard I had a problem with him. I told him that he can’t go around threatening people. He said he wasn’t afraid of me and the phone cut,” Batchelor claimed, adding that Pistorius had called back and sworn at him.

Batchelor said he ignored the “challenge” and was shocked to receive a call from a senior police official who asked that he attend a meeting with Pistorius. At the meeting three police “colonels” asked about the fight, intimating that Pistorius had friends in high places.

Bad temper

He claimed Pistorius had a bad temper, and that at the meeting the athlete had a black eye because he had been involved in a fight with a friend the night before.

“The man I heard on the phone is a different man from the image given out there. He carries a gun everywhere and I have seen him be controlling to women.”

In an interview in the February edition of Afrikaans magazine Sarie, Pistorius gave a different version and told of his heartbreak.

 “You can’t – or won’t – give your side of the story because you want to keep your private life private. Many of the details in the newspapers have been heartbreaking.

“You trust someone and then they go and do something very unexpected. You learn,” Pistorius told the magazine.

Back in court, memorial service

On Tuesday, Pistorius will return to the Pretoria Magistrate’s Court for a bail application.

On the same day, a memorial service for Steenkamp will be held in her home town of Port Elizabeth. Steenkamp’s body will be flown back and she will be cremated in a private service.

On Friday, as the State revealed it would be pursuing a case of premeditated murder, Pistorius leaned forward in the dock, buried his face in his hands and began weeping.

The 30-year-old model died at Pistorius’s Silver Woods home after being shot four times.

The police were called to the scene by neighbours, who reportedly heard shouting, with the shots following a few hours later.

Beeld newspaper has suggested she was shot through a bathroom door. Steenkamp died on the scene.

On Friday, Pistorius’s bail hearing was postponed.

The prosecutor, advocate Gerrie Nel, said the state would be pursuing a charge of premeditated murder, and that Pistorius would have to argue exceptional circumstances if he wanted bail.

However, the State did not oppose the defence team’s request to hold Pistorius at the Brooklyn police cells, and not at Pretoria Central Prison.

Pistorius’s advocate, Barry Roux, said many of his consultations with the athlete would be after hours.

Magistrate Desmond Nair questioned this, asking whether the sports star was not receiving preferential treatment.

“I just think that it’s the right thing to do,” said Nel.

As the lawyers spoke to the magistrate, Pistorius stared ahead, his face expressionless and his eyes almost closed, blinking slowly.

Every now and then, he would grimace, his jaw would clench, and he would begin crying, clasping his hands together as if in prayer or using them to cover his face.

Comments
  • cynthia.biljoen - 2013-02-16 11:43

    We all saw his public display of bad sportsmanship at the Paralympics last year:-( Sorry Oscar, I was a huge fan until that day...you showed me your arrogant side when you refused to accept defeat.

      sandra.blignault - 2013-02-16 11:58

      My sentiments exactly! Hope he get what he deserves!

      monica.vanjaarsveldt - 2013-02-16 12:10

      Karma has no menu he will get serve what he deserves!!

      jake.ko.71 - 2013-02-16 12:46

      one thing I think the media is unfair about is the story about when he found out Samantha Taylor had become involved with his multimillionaire friend, Clifton Shores producer Quinton van den Bergh..and then Oscar got angry... ANY man in this world would go up to the guy who is trying to steal his girlfriend, I have seen that with many guys in my life and even I would get pissed off is a guy try to steal my girlfriend away from me..everyone in the world would get pissed off even women would go up to another woman that tries to steal her man,...thats the only thing I think thats unfair about the media here....trying to take that specific story to proof he had a bad temper..maybe he has...but using that specific scenario is so hypocritical when we all would do the exact same

      NickvanGraan - 2013-02-16 13:03

      Mark Batchelor is himself hardly a shinning example when it comes to bad tempers and getting involved in fights.

      jake.ko.71 - 2013-02-16 13:48

      just in case people can not read like ANDY.OG..Im saying you would get mad with the guy who stole your girlfriend ..I have never said anything about hurting woman in my comment..I said I would go and talk to the guy...and if he gets arrogant with me..which he will then I would defend my self if the situation gets out of control...nowhere in the comment did I say hurting woman or children or stabbing or shooting people.......please read my comment very carefully!!! especially you Andy.OG

      cynthia.biljoen - 2013-02-16 13:54

      Unisa criminologist Professor Anna van der Hoven said that a combination of factors contributed to someone murdering someone close to them. But she said that if Pistorius had murdered Steenkamp, there must have been a triggering factor. The Olympian had showed signs of aggression and violence in the past. His interest in firearms was also indicative of aggressive tendencies. “Abusive men suffer from pathological jealousy of their partners,” said Van der Hoven. “I haven’t diagnosed him but he also shows signs of someone with a narcissistic personality disorder. “These kinds of individuals have a grandiose sense of self-importance… However, their self-esteem is very fragile and when this is threatened, they can become violent,” she said. “They don’t know how to show sympathy for other people.”She said Pistorius’s disability may also have played a role in that he received special attention and always expected it.

      jake.ko.71 - 2013-02-16 14:53

      again for people like devils_advocate that can not read or try to misinterpreted my comment...NOwhere did I say people have the right to think they own anyone..I never said that..no one have the right to own anyone no one have the right to bodily harm anyone and condone it with any action that might cause it..I never said that..Im saying that everyone in this world will feel hurt, or have some kind of sadness in their heart, I never said violence pay or people own anyone else...I said anyone will react to that and have a chat with the other guy..you definitely not gonna shake his hand, smile and invite him over for a beer after the other guy tried to woo your partner away from you...thats what I meant people......and Im not taking Oscar side in anyway...Im saying the media is taking the wrong situation (Samantha Taylor & Quinton van den Bergh) as evidence that he had a bad temper....

      modmario - 2013-02-16 15:03

      Weird how the God/Murphy/Karma/Universe works, you get given in return, exactly what you ask for, with an extra helping of the energy, actions, etc you spent your energy/life on and that which put back into the universe. Doesn't matter if you hide those desires/energy behind masks as secrets or wear them on your sleeve. You get what you ask/do for back threefold whether you like the way it's returned or not. You are the architect of your own demise, fortune, fate, and destiny. No preferential treatment for him, justice will run it's course, he will be tried as any able-bodied person, he wished to be judged as a any normal person. Fought for it on the track and field, with all the agression in him. Strange how that same energy/temper/spirit he built up asking, fighting and wishing got him here. Strange how that gun, in a split second, changed his life forever, faster than he could ever ask/wish for after the gun sounds at a start of a race. Now the boxed in cage/blades that he vehemently fought against to not define him, that it does not give him the edge, is suddenly of no consequence just as he wanted, he is free of them, maybe to be replaced by a new prison. The way he acted with girls behind the scenes, now also came back just magnified threefold.... Sad, hopefully I'm wrong.... hopefully.....

      modmario - 2013-02-16 16:04

      Jake I agree it is a stupid example the Media used, and in such detail, splashy, and trashy. Rather not name and shame everybody concerned. My one comment where there is smoke, there is fire... is getting the thumbs down. I didn't make this statement just willy nilly, due to a certain person/s experience/s with certain person/s, some revelations aren't surprising or new but it will just be sensationalist and vulgar for people like Mark to pop out of the wood work left right and centre to put in their 2 scents worth only now after this sad situation, if they knew him so intimately that the fingers can get pointed they should've helped him. But, it has happend, the truth always comes out, let it take it's course, and let's not throw more scraps to the wolves willing to sell a bit of their tasteless tacky hoi polloi saintly lives.....

      jake.ko.71 - 2013-02-16 16:26

      modmario - I agree with you..its a tragic story overall for everyone.. a total shocker....and the media is not helping ....they should rather wait and get the proper facts from court and police, rather then taking every opinion from every John Doe and then sensationalising about it....my condolence goes out to everyone thats hurt from this tragic event...

  • janice.mcmaster.92 - 2013-02-16 11:45

    Eish.....

  • TinavoMagaisa - 2013-02-16 11:47

    We knew it but we chose to turn a blind eye as a nation because we were craving for a hero. He let us down

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2013-02-16 12:59

      Tinavo, Yes, he let us down alright!!! We were blinded by this heroic guy, who was running with no legs, so WE made him a 'good' MAN, but in the meantime , we did not see he is a 'murderous coward' !!!

  • james.magna.1 - 2013-02-16 11:47

    what, nothing about a vendor coming and selling mielies at the end?

      ndabenhle.ngubane - 2013-02-16 12:18

      Lol no more mealies maybe the finished the whole trolley.

      grantcallaway - 2013-02-16 13:44

      Did yo know that in England, all four trolley wheels swivel? Retarded bunch...

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2013-02-16 11:48

    the plot thickins, the saint peceived is actauly a bad boy. keep digging.

  • Tiaan Liebenberg - 2013-02-16 11:49

    Ok, thanks media, we get it now that Oscar is the worst type of living animal. Well, that is how everyone portrays him to be. What he did was wrong BUT STOP ATTACKING HIM PERSONALLY. NO ONE IS PERFECT! Less so idiotic journo's

      Erna - 2013-02-16 11:55

      Unfortunately the fact that Oscar had a bad temper was known to people who knew him well. And with a bad temper a gun is deadly!

      willem.leroux.75 - 2013-02-16 11:59

      So Reeva dies in a BRUTAL personal attack and no one must attack Oscar Personally....I say, let the media have their day. Time and justice is a slow wheel, but it seems to have turned.

      Tiaan Liebenberg - 2013-02-16 12:02

      has - had

      megan.abbett - 2013-02-16 12:06

      I agree Tiaan!

      Tiaan Liebenberg - 2013-02-16 12:11

      @willem - it takes two. I doubt that steenkamp was the sweet, innocent girl everyone is trying their best to think of!

      morne.els - 2013-02-16 12:25

      @Lionel,he might have an Afrikaans surname,but he grew up english. So don't make idiotic statements.

      ccolin1 - 2013-02-16 12:29

      I can't believe you can put it down to a bad judgement call! He's a murder, a cold blooded savage murderer and there is no justification for what he did. Human beings with a decent moral standing do not murder in a moment of blind rage! No excuse!

      barry.redman.37 - 2013-02-16 12:54

      A moment of bad judgement!! that is insane, imagine if we all had moments of bad judgement that destroyed so many lives. You have obviously never lost a child. You should be ashamed!!!Clearly you support all the criminals in this country for their moments of bad judgement!

      Trevorcentury - 2013-02-16 12:55

      Tiaan what calibre gun did she have you idiot

      fifi.stewart.71 - 2013-02-16 13:16

      I am shocked at the quick change of heart of people! As long as they "perform" according to the public's likes, the person is fine. But the stabbing to death comes whe he hero falls. We all sin and fall short of the glory of God. Sorry Tiger, Oscar etc etc. you were human and we didn't like it.

      prot.kpax.33 - 2013-02-16 13:17

      @tiaan, "- it takes two. I doubt that steenkamp was the sweet, innocent girl everyone is trying their best to think of!" Rubbish man, if murderers can't get the death penalty why should she get it for what ever reason you're trying to make up.

      helen.stephens.1257 - 2013-02-16 18:01

      Really, Tiaan, really? No one is perfect, but we're not all psychopaths which Pistorius clearly is - no self control or filters, very unhinged. Sadly it was never treated when he was younger.

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-02-16 18:41

      "He has a moment of bad judgment - that does not portray who he is." Oh, that is nice, so alll rapists and murderers had bad judgements, they are actually good people. Tiaan, you just went full retard.

  • makarapakaplan - 2013-02-16 11:53

    Not surprised at all, we will learn a lot more of this fake

      mmusungo - 2013-02-16 12:28

      No one has the right whatsoever of ending anyones life,if that is the case then we shud all arm ourselves and go for our advesaries.you kill then face the concequences.

  • Ros Rose - 2013-02-16 11:58

    None of which is relative to the death of this girl. You betray a guy by stealing his girlfriend and then blame him for being angry? get real! these people just want attention and like rats they desert a sinking ship. keep to the facts. At the moment there are only two. Reeva was shot by Oscar. Leave the courts to discover why

      mmusungo - 2013-02-16 12:11

      Hope you faithfull to your partner cause next is boom boom then he/she goes to court and justify the killing

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-02-16 18:46

      No one can steal you girl, she don't belong to you. She can only go to him by choice, and if that is her choice, who are you to stop her?

  • megan.abbett - 2013-02-16 12:05

    This is so typical of the media, they dig up anything and turn it into a story! How many men have argued with a male to stay away from their girlfriends! MANY!!! This doesn't make him a murderer! Keep your judgments until all evidence has been evaluated, we don't really know what happened yet.

      Zahir - 2013-02-16 12:32

      His girlfriend was shot and killed the result is there was a murder the circumstances they caused this is the only unknown at this stage

  • carol.neethling - 2013-02-16 12:14

    We all have bad tempers, we all do things in private that no one else sees. Strange how people love to knock others when they are down. Like the ex coming out saying he is a womaniser - strange she didn't seem to mind what he was while she was going out with him and she is the one that had the affair! How would you all feel if he was your friend or family member? Stop being so critical and wait for the outcome of the trial. Maybe we should all be thinking of the family that have lost their only daughter!

      jenny.webbe - 2013-02-16 13:01

      Speak for yourself dearie. We don't ALL have bad tempers; besides people with bad tempers don't normally shoot other people. How would you feel if the dead woman was your friend or family member? And no maybe's - YOU should be thinking of a the family that lost their only daughter! Sheesh.

      carol.neethling - 2013-02-16 15:17

      pwbothamalan.botha - speaking about yourself are we!! I am married to an Afrikaans man and he has never abused me. I also know many other woman married to Afrikaans men and they have also never been abused. How can you be so small minded? What a stupid statement to make!

      carol.neethling - 2013-02-16 15:18

      Sheesh Jenny - I am speaking for myself - so you never have a bad temper - you must be the only person in the world - my children even have bad tempers. I agree that no bad temper should end with shooting other people, but how do you know that this one did - where you there?? What has happened is terrible, whether an accident or in a rage, but no one knows the truth except Oscar and he has to live with that fact for the rest of his life. I am thinking of Reeva's family and feel for them, as I have also lost someone in me family very suddenly. How about you?

      petronel.wit - 2013-02-16 15:35

      @jenny - EVERY person has a dark side. It is a fact of life! "We are all born in sin" for the Christians, Ying/Yang for others. If you think you are without sin you live in a fool's paradise. This is an awful tragedy! Let's leave it at that and wait for the facts before we judge. A beautiful young woman died. It is damn sad!

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-02-16 18:49

      "EVERY person has a dark side" Maybe so, but we don't go around, shooting people in the heads, now do we?

  • greg.mullen.73 - 2013-02-16 12:22

    Did pistorious call his lawyer to be present Did he call police Did he call his management company Are his lawyers going to go the OJ Simpson route guilty as hell but let's find the loopholes He sounds like another Jub Jub Even if an intruder you are not allowed to fir through a door when under no threat Maybe he is on steroids and fueled by alcohol

  • Zahir - 2013-02-16 12:27

    His only option to get a reduced sentence is to claim temporary insanity or post traumatic stress disorder like devani did otherwise he gets life

      Colleen - 2013-02-16 12:38

      He is busy working on that angle right now.

      reuben.lynch.7 - 2013-02-16 17:11

      Oh, Please!!! Temporary insanity... on what grounds?? Post traumatic stress disorder... because he came second in the Olympics.... Please!!!

  • Kalibanache - 2013-02-16 12:27

    Nobody with a bad temper should ever own a gun... As a matter of fact, A peaceful man that lost his Job and caught his wife with his best friend could bring an unreasonable side out... No civilized society can justify carrying guns. Get s shock stick, Im scared of those things :)

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-02-16 14:03

      Clinton, what you forget to say is that all the Swiss are to be called up in time of trouble. That is why they have the guns at home.

  • dee.harris.332 - 2013-02-16 12:30

    interesting how everyone becomes a legal expert when these awful things happen...an insane moment. He now lives with the consequences, the parents on both sides weep.

  • tracey.swart - 2013-02-16 12:30

    This Mark guy is the last one to make comments. He has very close links with Mikey Schultz, the Kebble shooter!!

      wilhelm.opperman - 2013-02-16 12:39

      Our society have really become more prejudiced by the day. There is no doubt that the credibility or accuracy of our press and especially reporting on N24 can be described as questionable, sensational at best, so lets stop playing Judge Judy prematurely and at least wait for both sides of the story at least.

      tracey.swart - 2013-02-16 12:42

      I totally agree. All about how they can make a story more sensational. Goodness everybody suddenly experts in law and everything.

      ClassWarTrotsky - 2013-02-16 12:55

      Plus he is good buddies with James Dalton, who tried to drown his Mrs. Superficial society that makes heroes of these coked-up narcissists.

  • christo.duplessis.961 - 2013-02-16 12:34

    Wat de hell het die ou koeie met die moord saak te maak almal probeer Oscar nou by tekom want hy is nou in die tronk en nou sal hulle vir hom gaan.Kyk wat gebeur het het gebeur en hy moet nou aanvaar dat die gereg sy loop moet doen en dit is diten Oscar moet die gevolge dra.Maar hy moet eers skuldig bevind word so word wakker en die mense wat nou naam soek moet sowragtig hulle monde hou tot dat die saak verby is.Die SABC moet ook nie sommer skryf as hulle nie die ware feite het nie.

  • Khutso Sello - 2013-02-16 12:40

    only love can course a person to kill

      ClassWarTrotsky - 2013-02-16 12:57

      Nope, human greed, stupidity, narcissism, entitlement, unawareness, etc etc

      jenny.webbe - 2013-02-16 13:05

      Have to disagree Khutso. Everyone person I've ever met has cherished the person they love, not killed them.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-02-16 14:04

      Khutso, Sello, actually love is the last thing that will make a person kill.

  • arthur.motsamai - 2013-02-16 12:42

    Temper temper temper!!!

  • dentamokhabz - 2013-02-16 12:44

    Let's forget about the status of a person when commenting and let's look at the scene in hand. I think Petrorius cry is just an admission of what truly happened, that he have premeditated the shooting. I found it unfounded that his Girlfriend can be in his home without his knowledge. Another domestic went wrong, the truth of the matter.

  • MallyGold - 2013-02-16 12:50

    It certainly seems that all Oscar's friends have deserted him like rats off a sinking ship!

  • barry.redman.37 - 2013-02-16 12:58

    A moment of bad judgement!! That is insane...clearly you support all the criminals in this country for their moments of bad judgement, and to condone destroying so many lives...obviously you have never lost a child...you should be ashamed!!

  • liam.dafydd - 2013-02-16 13:07

    We all have a temper to a degree but that does not make me have dark side. It does not make me a bad person or a murder. Oscar had sporting, celebrity pressures we will never understand and that doesn't make him a bad person and that still doesn't make him a murder.

      sydney.matubandlela - 2013-02-16 13:20

      That's nonsense, how many sports people out there have sporting pressures, Yet none of them have ever shot a stranger once! He shot his girlfriend 4 times! If that doesn't make one a murderer then I don't know what does! People should stop trying to project him as a victim, there's only one victim in this case, the innocent girl who died so tragic!!

      liam.dafydd - 2013-02-16 16:21

      Hoekom het my pa gister daarop aangedring om sy verpoepde Skype te gebruik as FaceTime soveel beter is?

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-02-16 18:55

      "that doesn't make him a bad person and that still doesn't make him a murder." When you shot someone for what ever reason than self defence, you are a murderer.

  • arthur.salvado - 2013-02-16 13:11

    Nothing can justify her murder. Bad judgement ? If so, then all murders of various types can be said to be due to bad judgement . Poor choice of action ? Really ? So instead of shooting her he could use his baseball (cricket) bat and just bludgeon poor Reeva to death . Would that be a better judgement? He killed her and must pay the price . Power and wealth got to him.

      trevor.rizzato - 2013-02-16 13:19

      Exactly. Don't know how some people could be supporting him. He's a murderer.

      zama.khumalo.96199 - 2013-02-16 15:52

      Power nd wealth did get the better of him. he is a murder indeed.

      zama.khumalo.96199 - 2013-02-17 17:33

      Power nd wealth did get the better of him. he is a murder indeed.

      zama.khumalo.96199 - 2013-02-17 17:40

      Power nd wealth did get the better of him. he is a murder indeed.

  • trevor.rizzato - 2013-02-16 13:17

    He murdered someone and should be punished like any murderer. Why the big debate?

  • arthur.salvado - 2013-02-16 13:18

    So Clinton, everyone carries a fully automatic rifle ? What is the murder rate in Switzerland ? Goes to prove that the gun does not kill but the murderous fool behind it. Kalibanache, I would hate to be left at the mercy of a murderous mob but loosing my temper and killing another can be done with a knife, bat, bottle etc etc .

  • adam.moloi.5 - 2013-02-16 13:38

    If she did not deserve to die, wno DESERVES to die????

  • adam.moloi.5 - 2013-02-16 13:43

    How many more woman must die before we teach these animals a lesson? Animals are better, these Oscar is a evil beast! Where are the pople who always cry for the death penalty.

  • adam.moloi.5 - 2013-02-16 13:48

    Instead of getting death he deserve oscar will get off with our useless justice system that only serves the rich. He's already prefered treatment, think about it, this stinksL

  • adam.moloi.5 - 2013-02-16 13:49

    How many more woman must die before we teach these animals a lesson? Animals are better, these Oscar is a evil beast! Where are the pople who always cry for the death penalty.

      Anton - 2013-02-16 14:00

      we are still here if found guilty - hang them. By now we would have had a bette government becaus e alot of voters would have been hanged

  • Anton - 2013-02-16 13:57

    Just asking wasn't this the girl who said he is playing around.

  • adam.moloi.5 - 2013-02-16 14:14

    If she did not deserve to die, wno DESERVES to die????

  • allison.steedman - 2013-02-16 14:26

    @jake.ko no one can steal a person from another person. People are not possessions, they have free will and cant be stolen. If someone is happy in a relationship they would not be tempted to get involved with a third party. Only someone with poor impulse control would behave in such an in disciplined manner.

      jake.ko.71 - 2013-02-16 14:39

      you right ...no one have the right to think they own anyone...no violent act can condone any action......but I can see you also have MISS READ my comment ...thank you for your wrong interpretation of my comment...

      jake.ko.71 - 2013-02-16 14:55

      again for people like devils_advocate that can not read or try to misinterpreted my comment...NOwhere did I say people have the right to think they own anyone..I never said that..no one have the right to own anyone no one have the right to bodily harm anyone and condone it with any action that might cause it..I never said that..Im saying that everyone in this world will feel hurt, or have some kind of sadness in their heart, I never said violence pay or people own anyone else...I said anyone will react to that and have a chat with the other guy..you definitely not gonna shake his hand, smile and invite him over for a beer after the other guy tried to woo your partner away from you...thats what I meant people......and Im not taking Oscar side in anyway...Im saying the media is taking the wrong situation (Samantha Taylor & Quinton van den Bergh) as evidence that he had a bad temper....

  • taryn.duffneocleous - 2013-02-16 14:47

    Whaaahaaahaaa that's VERY RICH coming from a person like Mark, omg he is forever beating up someone or causing problem around jhb, don't point fingers Mark, 3 are pointing back at you when you do!!!!!!

  • phoebe.sabbatini - 2013-02-16 14:52

    Guy gets angry at guy who moved on his girlfriend? Wow! Shocker! That has murderer written all over it, doesn't it???? Get a grip, people!

  • leedsunitedfc - 2013-02-16 15:05

    Haha Adam.Moloi.IQ

  • Perfume - 2013-02-16 15:15

    A lot is coming out ahead of the trial. This is one case I sure will be following.

  • tlotlo.phele - 2013-02-16 15:44

    Looks like it has finally dawned on Oscar die hearts fans, that he is guilty

  • eric.f.moloi - 2013-02-16 16:04

    Mark Batchelor himself had been in lot of punch ups with every1 who crossed his path,it was better 4 him to save his comment as he is not an angel

  • Madoda Nhonho - 2013-02-16 16:26

    this case is similar to the ones where policemen shoot their girlfriends and needs to b treated as such. Bt i hv not seen any comment (normally wrtten when a policemen does ths thing)

  • sam.brink.92 - 2013-02-16 16:52

    Mark isn't exactly an angel, he also has a "temper"

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-02-16 18:57

      But didn't shot anyone, yet.

  • kamogelo.setshedi.3 - 2013-02-16 16:57

    This Oscar guy is a prick !!! This is sickening. He is really a half a man. I hope he feels the full wrath of the law.

  • damian.sayers.7 - 2013-02-16 17:01

    Am I only one that finds the threat of breaking Marks legs ironic???

  • cois.sueur - 2013-02-16 17:04

    Mark and his mates are both idiots!!

  • skiapas - 2013-02-16 17:38

    ...sy kop raas....

  • starkmsl - 2013-02-16 17:50

    This is yet another example of the media and the public making judgments through rhetoric about Oscar's guilt. He hasn't even been given an opportunity to plead guilty or not guilty, yet he is already being accused of pre-meditated murder. Be logical! How can a man who has to put on two prosthetic legs (in a temper)and get to the bathroom door(in a temper) at +/- 4 o'clock in the morning - it is still dark - and shoot someone through a door at vital parts of her body. What makes those of you who have achieved all that he has achieved despite handicaps and at the age at which he is (26) think you have a right to pass judgment. Obviously there has to be some level of intra-personal drive and aggression in anyone to enable them to overcome physical and mental challenges in life. Please note - I said "intra"-personal and not "inter"-personal agreesion. I am sure many challenged sportsmen and woman would agree. I don't know Oscar but my heart goes out to him. Does anyone out there consider that you are adding to his devastation and grief at the loss of a loved one, allegedly, but not yet proven, by his own hand and assumed to be letting down family, admirers and friends. There but for the Grace of God go any of you. Let matters take their course and try to remain loyal and supportive .

      johan.mostert.967 - 2013-02-16 19:03

      You mention logic? - Who said he put on his legs only then (if they were fighting for the past hour, he already had his legs on). - "at +/- 4 o'clock in the morning - it is still dark" ever heard of a light switch? "I don't know Oscar but my heart goes out to him." Oh yea? And what about the innocent girl? "Obviously there has to be some level of intra-personal drive and aggression in anyone to enable them to overcome physical and mental challenges in life." - and that gives you the right to murder someone? Don't mention logic if you don't got any.

  • leeOnearth - 2013-02-16 17:57

    South Africa is at WAR with itself. Oscar Pistols-R-Us, guilty or not he is a zero, why did he have so many guns around him? The man is a bloody idiot and deserves the might of the law and I hope they come down heavy as this is the last thing that South Africa needs.

  • rob.tubbs.39 - 2013-02-16 18:43

    Yesterday's 'Hero' - To-day's 'villian'? Let the Law take it's course...

  • jameschilinjala.chibwana - 2013-02-16 19:11

    Let justice take its course. where were all these b4 he shot his gal frend. reporters let the courts decide.

  • John - 2013-02-16 19:42

    FYI. All you wannabe reporters/detectives/lawyers etc on this site! The guy has not EVEN BEEN charged with anything yet! No charges were put to him yesterday so he was not asked to plead! Wait until next Tuesday and see what charges are brought. THEN comment if you wish! Until then everything you read here or in the media is a thumbsuck!

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