SAHRC: Police must improve officers' training

2012-10-31 14:24

Johannesburg - The SA Police Service must improve training for officers in the management of public gatherings, the SA Human Rights Commission stated on Wednesday.

The commission’s Danny Titus made this and other recommendations at the announcement of findings into the death of Ficksburg protester Andries Tatane.

The SAHRC found that police used excessive force on Tatane resulting in his injuries and subsequent death.

"The respondents [the police] neglected provisions of the Gatherings Act by using excessive force, resulting in the injury and death of the protester," said Titus.

The SAHRC investigated Tatane's death, during a protest in Ficksburg in April 2011, followed a complaint by the Council for the Advancement of the SA Constitution.

It also recommended the development of a training manual for the police's Public Riot Act; and a six-monthly report by the ministries of police and co-operative governance on measures to address the phenomenon of increasingly violent protests.

The SAHRC said that police were not suitably equipped to quell public disorder during the protest and had failed to devise a plan to regulate and monitor the protest.

It also found that the police failed to authorise a suitably qualified and experienced member to represent them at consultations or negotiations during the protest.

"If a suitably qualified person had been chosen, such a person would have foreseen that the demonstration would degenerate into violence and prepared for that eventuality," said SAHRC said.

The findings had been forwarded to the police.

  • marilyn.docherty.9 - 2012-10-31 14:34

    AS there are so many unruley riots and strikes in our country, you would think CROWD CONTOL would be the one area in which our police force would be PROPERLY TRAINED. A ridiculous excuse!

      frank.vankaapstad - 2012-10-31 14:50

      Eish! Affirmative Action means the best people don't get the job, so the police force is filled with a bunch of incompetents. With guns! All part of the Government's racist policies busy destroying this country. It is time for change.

      joseph.brooks.50309 - 2012-10-31 15:38

      So they will be trained by idiots to become better idiots? LOL OMF

  • altusvanzyl - 2012-10-31 14:48

    Pre 1994 they had very good training... What happened?

      Andrea - 2012-10-31 14:54

      They left to find alternative employment since only previously disadvantaged members were, and mostly still are, promoted to the next rank.

      Eterni80 - 2012-10-31 15:23

      the ANC took over, but after a 1000 years of existence, they still didn't have a plan..

      godfrey.welman - 2012-10-31 16:09

      Tricky question...hmmm maybe "a-pa-thyt" or shoot-to-kill

      rontheogre - 2012-10-31 17:03

      Andrea, quite right. I left after applying for and being refused promotion for 6 years after having passed my exams and completing the required years of service, while doing the work(I was a fingerprint tech) of a person two ranks higher. I was told that there were no rank openings on the Persal(SAPS computer) system and preference was being given to the previously disadvantaged. So I packed my bags after 14 years to work for myself.

  • Maverick82 - 2012-10-31 14:54

    ....And people should receive training on how to behave themselves during public gathering...

      Eterni80 - 2012-10-31 15:20

      if only !

      Maverick82 - 2012-10-31 15:35

      True lol

  • david.stopforth.5 - 2012-10-31 14:55

    In the Apartheids jears the police were well trained and there were Riot control members that did the job right There were proud members and there uniform showed that and they had disspline

      jarnoldus1 - 2012-10-31 15:15

      Totally agree with u me being a cop in apartheid regime so glad I left in time

      mmoledis - 2012-10-31 15:40

      Not correct David, let me differ with you, during that time police were not properly trained for crowed crontrol what they were trained in properly was to tackle and harrass citizens of this country during those apartheid era, so nothing they have been taught.

  • Erna - 2012-10-31 14:56

    All sections of the police force need better training, including continuous fitness training.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-31 15:02

    we were burgled on Saturday. The police were here straight away, but today it is Wednesday and we are still waiting for the detective. Apparently there are only a few for the whole Helderberg area. By the time they finally arrive there won't be anything to detect.

      attie.gerber.1 - 2012-10-31 15:19

      don't feel so bad. i was hi jacked at my house in 2005 and still no detective has contacted me

  • luke.dekoker - 2012-10-31 15:03

    The CancER controlled government will issue a statement again and 100% sure they will say: "It's because of apartheid" and "We had to replace the pre 1994 qualified cops and did not have enough time since 1994 to train the AA & cadre deployed staff yet"

  • attie.gerber.1 - 2012-10-31 15:17

    they spent millions in training them for the world cup. or was that money wasted once again

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-10-31 15:17

    Many people, easily hundreds if not thousands, have the correct training along with many years experience. So, what happened? AA happened. Members who had overnight become the wrong colour (White) had to then move out and find other careers because they were not going to be promoted or progress. The rest is history as they say. How's that for democracy, equality and a rainbow nation.

  • Eterni80 - 2012-10-31 15:18

    EVERYTHING IN SA NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED UPON - since the ANC came to power money has been spent on salaries and not keeping the standards high. so now we have a problem in that all the money budgeted for stuff is spent on wages and there's nothing left for the actual job itself. things fall apart - the centre cannot hold.

  • Simphiwe Spijo Nxumalo - 2012-10-31 15:27

    it is true as police officer I agree continous training is needed

  • siphobongohead - 2012-10-31 15:32

    The force used by the force seemed to be excessive.

  • mmoledis - 2012-10-31 15:37

    That is true a proper crowd control management should be done during officers training, as long as people involved in a strike or any other gathering are not armed and can pose danger to them then they should handle the situation as it is again as long as their lifes is not too in danger. Too, citizens should be thoroughly taught on how to behave during strikes and gatherings as they think they are superior and no police offcer can do to them, as such abuse their rights and provoke police too, such actions should also be addressed as they are too symptoms of voilence in RSA citizens, and then police too think before they take any action against any person to see if they comply too with the laws of this country as they are no laws unto themselves.

  • neo.motsepe - 2012-10-31 15:41

    Will they ever improve? Another waste of tax payers money!

  • phoofolo.lebohang - 2012-10-31 15:42

    I disagree with improvement of training... there is no proper law which is protect all the citizen of the R.S.A we only have a law which is favorable the thugs. Now there is commission for Marikana, bcoz 34 thugs died. But every week, 3 to 5 police officials must be killed in the line of duty but nothing happen... 18000 murders were reported and resgistered in 2011 but still nothing happen, bcoz its holly citizen died. But if one thug were killed on a progress of commiting crime its sound right to our goverment bcoz IPID and political parties they will entertain the death of that thugs

  • charl.malan.12 - 2012-10-31 15:44

    90% of them will have to go to fat camp before they start any training!

  • richard.bosmano - 2012-10-31 15:49

    What most of the commentators here are missing,though right about AA and the training issue is that Tatane was murdered during a "service delivery protest." These clowns continue to vote the anc into power in their area's then trash the place during protests against their anc led municipalitys. Personally i feel nothing for Tatane or his family or community. If you get rubbish service,get a new "service provider(another political party)" for your area. If these okes riot,shoot them.

  • mandla.hlatywayo - 2012-10-31 15:50

    SAPS are here to kill not to protect people,dont with them u wil die.

  • phoofolo.lebohang - 2012-10-31 15:52

    Improve training and salary as well...

  • warren.mark.92 - 2012-10-31 16:14

    Saps training is extremely difficult ,the law they learn is of the highest standards,they are trained to be the best ,that guy needs to just step in one of the training academies before he talks

  • ray.molekoa.5 - 2012-10-31 16:31

    First of all , what criteria must one pass to be allowed in the police ? Nowadays what you find in the police is shocking as out of 10 people in the police , 8 are behaving like thugs or have thug mentality when dealing with the public . One doesn't feel safe when dealing with them no matter under which circumstances . I'd rather deal with a thug cause I know when the going gets tough between us he won't call for back up from his useless buddies the way the police does . Not that I provoke fights , but when you get robbed by the police you just wish they were not in uniform or flashing their stupid badges in your face while robbing you !

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