Police shoot at Marikana residents: Claim

2012-09-15 16:16

Rustenburg - Police officers assigned to disperse protesting Lonmin mineworkers were accused of shooting residents of Nkaneng informal settlement in Marikana on Saturday morning.

Several community members emerged with bleeding wounds, which they claimed were caused by police rubber bullets.

Two women sat in a narrow path in the informal settlement, surrounded by sympathetic residents.

One of the wounded, Melita Ramasedi, said they were shot at while watching the police breaking up the crowd of protesters.

"I am deeply hurt by this situation. A police nyala drove past us, we were a group of women and others ran away.

"I just stood there, watching and they shot me in my leg," she said showing her bleeding leg.

Children in cross-fire

Another victim Ntombe Ncence was visibly upset as she told journalists that she was at the entrance of a spaza shop when she was shot with a rubber bullet.

"I do not understand why the police officers shot me. I was knocking at the door of a shop and police officers inside a nyala shot my leg."

The bleeding woman said she did not know where her two children had fled to when the skirmishes between mineworkers and police began in the morning.

Earlier, a 24-year-old man said police officers shot him with a rubber bullet while he was repairing his shack in the informal settlement.

Xolisa Ntshantha said he does not work for a mine and had never been part of the protests.

"I was working on my shack and suddenly I was shot from behind. I did not realise where the police officers came from," said Ntshantha.

Pepper spray

"They manhandled me and threw me into the nyala. I was assaulted by police officers inside the truck," he claimed.

Ntshantha raised his shirt and torn jacket to reveal a large red blister on his back. Earlier, the protesters gathered at an open veld next to the koppie, where 34 people were killed in a violent confrontation on 16 August. They sang, waving weapons, before the police arrived.

At least seven police nyalas drove into Nkaneng, causing workers to scamper in different directions.

The crowd ran into the informal settlement as the nyalas followed them on narrow foot paths.

A cloud of pepper spray filled the area causing protesters and journalists to shed tears and cough.

Earlier, police raided a nearby hostel. Five people were arrested and weapons were confiscated.

Contraband weapons

Brigadier Thulani Ngubane said the people were arrested during a disarmament operation at a hostel where hundreds Lonmin mineworkers live.

Police confiscated a large number of knobkerries, pangas and other dangerous weapons.

Ngubane could not give an exact quantity of arms confiscated, but said "truck loads" of contraband weapons were seized.

On Thursday, Justice Minister Jeff Radebe told journalists in Pretoria that government would "deal very swiftly" with illegal protests.

The situation at the mines did not warrant a declaration of state of emergency, he said.

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-15 16:20

    If you do not want to listen...Then you must take your hiding! It is called responsibility for your actions. But then again. You esteem leedas does not know anything about that word....

      david.lebethe - 2012-09-15 17:02

      Henk. You are one of the previledged few and what until you get a rude awakening one day. It is then that you will understand what our people in Marikana are going through.

      henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-15 17:20

      David, I am a white graduate without a job! I got a very rude awakening in the new South Africa. So get that chip of you shoulder David!

      adam.gardener.12 - 2012-09-15 17:22

      Why doesn't zuma go there and sing to bring his machine gun, now he's president he just sends the police instead.

      jack.blacking.56 - 2012-09-15 17:59

      I heard this week that these so called protesting miners (with the media as record) Inform their "Women and Children" to go back to the E.CApe. My question is who are these people being shot at then, IF all innocent parties had been told to evacuated? I can only conclude some kind of COVER UP. OK CASE CLOSED, damn is that all you guys can come up with? - 2012-09-16 02:04

      ANC/SAPS dont for 1 moment feel guilty, you are doing a good job, stop these criminal thugs they are raping our economy and democracy.

  • vincent.vinsaint - 2012-09-15 16:24

    A want becomes a habit...they are no more a service but, a force. Trigger happy f@ck ups.

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-15 16:53

      And they are force to be reckoned with if you are dumb enough to be on an illegal strike showing violent tendencies and then have the nerve to tell them to "bring it on"

  • christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-09-15 16:28

    Of course everyone is innocent now... And its probably ricochet bullets since they are rubber

      lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-15 16:33

      Thanks christiaan - I was going to say rubber bounces so you can't say with absolute certainty that you were aimed at. Horrible thing to happen to innocent people but the sane thing to do when you see riot cops in your area is to do what the others did - run away, go inside, not stand about watching.

      jack.blacking.56 - 2012-09-15 17:59

      I heard this week that these so called protesting miners (with the media as record) Inform their "Women and Children" to go back to the E.CApe. My question is who are these people being shot at then, IF all innocent parties had been told to evacuated? I can only conclude some kind of COVER UP. OK CASE CLOSED, damn is that all you guys can come up with?

  • maduvha.mukusha - 2012-09-15 16:33

    Cry the beloved country tear flow. Mr Zuma I warn you!!!!

      david.lebethe - 2012-09-15 17:04

      You are right, my bra. Things are really bad and think people are taking note of what is happening.

  • gneralle.edon - 2012-09-15 16:34

    Stupid incompetent SAPS shooting defenseless women

      coursieres - 2012-09-15 16:50

      How do you know that the woman aren't lying just to paint the Police in a bad light? Both leg injuries. Could be from running away at a speed like the magical rabbit.

      boltonbarry - 2012-09-15 16:54

      OK show me the evidence that they were not partaking in violence

      JackTrend - 2012-09-15 17:27

      Please, why would they attack someone minding their own business? These so-called innocents have been told to lie. It's called disinformation propaganda.

      Prince Ramabulana - 2012-09-15 19:56

      Edon,ur stupid, our country dnt need people like you,surely SAPS have helped u or your family members before,and ull need them in future you FOOL.

  • - 2012-09-15 16:34

    I just wonder IF they were really just standing there, doing absolutely NOTHING as they claim. I am sure that the police have had enough problems after the previous shooting incident, BUT are at such a high alert after Malema in public told these people to take ACTION, even if it mean loosing their lives. So in my opinion, I do NOT believe that the police will just go and shoot left, right and center. These people will for sure try to get more attention on them being the "victims", and try to blame the police, or anyone else for that matter, but what they forget is that just a few hours ago they actually challenged the police to come!

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-09-15 16:43

      Just a repetitive "Im innocent". Same thing was said in Marikana.

      larry.piggott1 - 2012-09-15 16:43

      When Tear gas and bullets are flying, there is no such thing as "just standing there", unless you are a complete moron, you at least duck, or better still, get out of it. No, I dont believe htat they were innocents, just standing around.

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-09-15 16:41

    Once again-strikers putting others at risk! Not very bright to stand and watch the strikers whilst police are busy trying to disperse them! They said the armed strikers who were killed were also innocent. Let this be a warning-stay well out of the strikers area if you dont want to bew injured.

      david.lebethe - 2012-09-15 17:08

      You Speak from priviledged position. Wait until you go through experience of police (State) brutality. But for now, you are in a cocoon and therefore easy to comment.

  • africa.tshipembe - 2012-09-15 16:50

    i will say it again,with the kind of police we have,such an action will backfire big time for the government.maybe they should get the london riot police to come and help because obviously ours are way out of depth.

  • nel.westhuizen - 2012-09-15 16:57

    If you know the police are rading in your area, stay indoors. Why were these woman on the streets? Even worse, why were their children on the streets?

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-15 17:17

      Why did they run into the residential area endangering their wifes and children?

      africa.tshipembe - 2012-09-15 17:24

      so everybody's life must stop because of incompetent cops,the cops must look for what ever they want,shooting at everyone actually shows they dont know what they are looking for

      sintjohn.witbooi - 2012-09-15 17:55

      Not much playing room inside a shack.

      Prince Ramabulana - 2012-09-15 19:36

      This really shows how our communities are obscesed with violence,even taking kids to learn to stone law officers barbarian women.

  • david.lebethe - 2012-09-15 16:58

    Judicial commission must investigate police recent conduct and by extension, Zuma's recent comment in Parliament - upon which recent conduct is based. It is clear, that the police were incited by both Zuma and Radebe's reckless comment as failure to failure to do so would turn the commission into another farce for its clear that police's action is contrary to an established legal process and therefore contemptious.

  • Econwald - 2012-09-15 16:59

    annd Zooma is happy now ?, this is what we see under his leadership. what is the difference between these cops and the apartheid ones ?, ANC gatherings before 1990 were also not legal and they were shot some of them died and now we saying Apartheid police were right, it was understandable back then because whites were doing it to blacks now blacks vs blacks we are real fools thats why whites own this country

      langa.ludidi - 2012-09-15 17:39

      Cry, the beloved country...

      emile.marais - 2012-09-15 19:23

      Own this country? Our so called ownership can be taken from us at any time by people like you. How is that ownership, or power? We have no real ownership in South Africa, only vestiges of past entitlements which can be stripped from us at a moments notice.

  • justice.muzila - 2012-09-15 16:59

    Malema has said it mouthful, we,re led by dictators. Now they,ve dictated to the SAPS to put more salt on the already bleeding hearts of the poor of the poorest black marikana miners .The truth is yet to come. Is this aimed @ bringing peace @ marikana mines or is this the continouos fall of JZ government.

  • jan.vanderwesthuizen.370 - 2012-09-15 17:02

    We all suffer. Perhaps more than being hit by a stray bullet.

  • johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-09-15 17:03

    Ever heard of crossfire,or stray bullets.

      africa.tshipembe - 2012-09-15 17:18

      ever heard of properly trained riot police?

  • nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-09-15 17:04

    Women, wives, girlfriends and children tell your foolish men, husbands, boyfriens and fathers to go back to work. You don't need to go throu this painfull experians for the sake of a political infight.

      Econwald - 2012-09-15 17:08

      easy to say, u think we are still fools, that's why you guys don't wanna leave our country because you think we are still slaves for your'l, Malema will rise

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-09-15 17:37

      Econ do you realy think putting your children and women throu this painfull event for selfish political point scoring is good? You are not slaves you are free to go any time if you are not happy with work conditions. The only slaves are your childern and women who are at risk by men without any feelings for them. Stop living in the past and work for a beter tomorrow.

      emile.marais - 2012-09-15 19:28

      Econwald, South Africa is my country. Whether you like that fact or not I don't really care. I don't need to justify myself to a racist bigot like yourself. The only fool here is you.

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-09-15 17:08

    Ma. .Ma .. .Marikana the South African Afganistan,Where the thanklessness and greedy meet.

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-15 17:21

    Cowards! Running home with their tales between their legs, endangering their families and those of others.

  • beverly.young3 - 2012-09-15 17:28

    Crowd mentality? I 'm scared of those mamma's....I have seen from minor (municipal) riots here, the women 'incite' scream, spit and provoke the police. Hey it is all wrong, all a disaster, the only people who are going gain, are shareholders when the prices of minning shares go up at the thought of closure. Zuma and his henchmen are so far removed from all of it. Another thought, despite what we say, is that the police are human too and very scared. Okay so they have the weapons and orders, but confronted by angry, chanting, dancing, stone throwing mobs, what would you do?

      beverly.young3 - 2012-09-15 18:23

      @luzuko.mtoyi well said. Jeff Hadebe? eish. He took over the MP of ports etc a number of years ago. Under his 'thumb' the entire structure fell apart. I have this vision of jobs for friends on a whiteboard. They then dish out the jobs/positions to mates, despite none of them having any experience whatsoever in the particuilar area. Tut tut..... all that will be left after the riots, are bodies, and the world will continue to laugh at us fools. I know that that is not relevant, but I feel helpless.

  • don.mug.3 - 2012-09-15 17:29

    Criminal subversion of the state.

  • johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-09-15 17:36

    sibusiso.mkoko Thank you ,you brain dead exuse, for Homo Sapiens

      Olusunne - 2012-09-15 19:03

      Is a pity 4 my govt to quece violence with violence since we are not in military regime.

  • johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-09-15 17:40

    africashipembe Ever heard of decent people, riotting,thugwise.

  • gngaleka - 2012-09-15 17:41

    That's why being a policeman is one of the top 5 most stressful job in the world. You always end up being half hero/half moron no matter what.

      johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-09-15 18:07

      I fully agree,impossible to do your job, and also pleases everybody.

  • JamesMWood - 2012-09-15 17:58

    Well looks like the present government now understands why the old regime handled protests the way they did since its the same thing all over again, but with black cops

  • jonas.mbedzi - 2012-09-15 18:08

    Our polishman/polish officers r trigger happy dey r not helping but ordered by deir new boss piyega 2 open fire.S.A is being turned in2 bloodshed movie

  • Michael - 2012-09-15 18:26

    Zuma must deal with lawlessness at Marikana without any fear or favour, and all state security organs must be deployed there to restore our country from criminals, those who have a problem who want to protect criminality can vote for another party next elections!

  • ignatiousmarekollemahlokwane - 2012-09-15 18:41

    So disturbing.......

  • Tshepo Mongale - 2012-09-15 18:51

    Loosen up Mnr Toerin. u cant be swearing @ ppl u dont even know. please Clive.

      neyo.nthethe - 2012-09-15 23:06

      dis displayed heartless person.

  • jacob.molife - 2012-09-15 19:01

    @justice.muzila, go suck B.b's ...

  • anthony.richardson.961 - 2012-09-15 20:25

    Coallteral damage as they say!

  • anthony.richardson.961 - 2012-09-15 20:25

    Collateral damage as they say!

  • emile.marais - 2012-09-15 20:46

    Some senseless comments. The sad fact is, that this whole sorry state of affairs could have been prevented if those in positions of power put this country's success ahead of party politics, racialism, sexism and and what the hell else some people feel the need to discriminated against to satisfy their own bigotry. Both the state (pre 94 racial discrimination, post 94 ineptness) and the people (65% of the electorate supported the ANC and their choice of President)- are responsible for all this mess.

  • warren.mark.92 - 2012-09-15 21:56

    That's it saps shoot them with rubber bullets

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-09-16 02:27

    So where is that beret wearing f*cknut Malema now?

      nicolaas.baker - 2012-09-16 05:17

      @Gerald, where do you think he is hiding, behind mamma winnie back of course. He cannot be shot at by the police, otherwise he will deflate!

  • Spittalsue - 2012-09-16 18:28

    When I worked for a boss, and he didn't pay me what I thought I should be earning, I discussed it with him; when he refused me an increase I resigned and looked for another job where I was paid more. I certainly did not assemble all my co-workers in the car park for a riot and try to burn down the company building, or attack the bosses!!!

  • andile.shosha - 2012-09-17 20:43

    Its so so sad bt I jst hope ths will never happen again.

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