Poor South Africans angry 'over ANC rot'

2012-12-14 22:31

Soweto - Beneath the undying loyalty of poor blacks to the ANC, there is a growing resentment towards the movement that delivered South Africa from apartheid 18 years ago.

In Soweto, once home to anti-apartheid heroes Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu, residents struggling against high unemployment, crime and pervasive corruption are not afraid to speak frankly about what they call the ANC's rot.

"The ANC is not a bad movement, it is the people who have brought the rot to the party," said Slavate Marema, who has never had a job since finishing school five years ago.

"Leaders don't seem to care much about us once they get our votes. All they seem to care about is enriching themselves and driving around in fancy cars, and telling us that government has no money," said the 22-year-old.

After decades of championing the fight against apartheid rule, the ANC led South Africa peacefully into a "rainbow nation" in 1994 and its leader Mandela was elected the country's first black president.

But the ruling ANC is now accused of abandoning its roots and core constituency.

"As far as I am concerned we have no government. They are serving themselves, busy lining their own pockets," said France Diholo, a retired factory worker.

"The rot that you see today, did not start with [Jacob] Zuma, it has been creeping up slowly since Mandela days," he lamented.

Service delivery

Too often, Soweto residents complain, ANC membership has become synonymous with instant wealth and the beneficiaries of lucrative government contracts seem to be politically connected.

The ANC government has often come under fire for excessive spending on luxury hotel stays, and providing small armies of round-the-clock security to officials, while the most of the population battle unacceptably high crime rates.

"These days security seems to be reserved for high profile ANC politicians, who travel with groups of armed police in fast cars. When communities need them they are not available," fumed Tankiso Mmusi.

Although the ANC government has built 2.8 million homes since taking power, around 20% of South Africans still have no electricity and 10% no running water. Protests over service delivery are frequent.

Reports that the government spent more than R200m of taxpayers' money upgrading Zuma's private home, complete with helipad, underground bunkers and a clinic, are jarring for many.

A divided society

Despite being the largest economy on the continent and home to a burgeoning black middle class, South Africa remains one of the most unequal societies in the world.

The grievances are reaching a crescendo at a difficult time for the ANC, as it prepares for a leadership conference on Sunday, held every five years, which effectively kicks off the campaign for elections in 2014.

But like many people who felt angered by the ANC, Diholo said he will continue voting for the party, which still holds a commanding electoral majority.

Failed transformation

At the 2009 elections the ANC won almost 66% of the 17-plus million votes cast.

The DA, which is often seen as "too-white" by black voters, got just 17% of the vote.

The bigger risk for the ANC may be that voters stay away from the polls altogether.

But according to Andile Mngxitama, a firebrand columnist for The Sowetan newspaper, the "conditions for a revolution are rife in South Africa".

"The ANC has failed to transform the state into an instrument of the people," he wrote in a recent column.

"The question we need to ask is will the South African revolution be by the ballot or by insurrection, like the Arab Spring?"

That may be over-exuberant, but there is little doubt the ANC's revolutionary lustre has lost some of its shine.

  • mutiraasi - 2012-12-14 22:36

    Oh but, VIVA ze ANC... all the way to hell!!!

      mutiraasi - 2012-12-14 22:48

      To make it clear: Each vote for the ANC is a giant leap - to a life of pure misery for ALL of us!!!!!

      jacob.zooma.9 - 2012-12-14 22:50

      Apartheid has kept us back, another 5 years should push us forward. A better life for all.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-12-14 22:56

      "What we refuse to accept is for people to prescribe what decisions we should make." (ANC economic policy head Enoch Godongwana). So much for by the people, of the people, for the people, then.

      emile.vanrayner.7 - 2012-12-14 23:30

      I think all the sensible people in SA now have two options. Step back, let the country eat itself and then pick up the pieces and rebuild OR Try and fix it now. Im not sure how one goes about option #2...

      grant.hide - 2012-12-14 23:32

      Nevermind the E-Toll monsters going up everywhere.

      cyril.mpanza.1 - 2012-12-15 06:17

      The problem we struggle with today is not the DAs or COPEs or whites or blacks or povrty, it is just these same few people who are bad leaders. These same few expelled Malema for being a problem child, but they too are the problem. We need to expell these problems.

      michael.kleber.376 - 2012-12-15 07:15

      ABZ = Anyone but zuma , is the new slogan

      gideon.walt - 2012-12-15 09:37

      Just hope that the people will stop putting their faith in the ANC and look realistically at the the results and happenings in SA.

      CapeChappy - 2012-12-15 09:39

      I'd prefer ABANC Michael..

      gestoffle.vaneerdenvark - 2012-12-15 10:40

      @jacob.zooma.9 - are you talking about the apartheid since 1994?

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-12-15 12:48

      Yet they keep voting over and over!

      dimitripappas - 2012-12-15 14:30

      @alicia.myburgh.65 - I'm not sure what makes you think that. Getting rid of the ANC's governmental leadership altogether sounds more like it.

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-12-15 15:09

      The same people who are good at revolutions are rarely good at governing and what is more they deny the fact. Look at the history of the world's revolutions so very often once the revolution is won those who won it have no idea how to run the country.

      jmlongwe - 2012-12-15 21:41

      DA 17%? Clearly theres something wrong you are doing, stop waiting for the ANC to mess up, you need a new strategy coz clearly the one you using isn't working, at all.

      henk63 - 2012-12-16 06:06

      @Jakob - And you will die of old age still expecting things to get better under the ANC. You need to show your disapproval at the ballot box NOW.

      chris.holloway.5 - 2012-12-16 08:20

      Just like ZanuPF... that's where we are heading guys!!

      BulletProof. - 2012-12-16 15:14

      @Leonard The ruling party can not do better due to incompetent corrupt cadres.

      derek.francois.3 - 2012-12-16 17:27

      Ja Zoomer9 are you one of el presidente's 100 children, and if yes just f*cking grow up..................

  • sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-12-14 22:38

    I know I have said it before, but the ANC will never be beaten at the ballot box. They will be beaten in the streets where protests have been increasingly violent and bloody. Marikana will look like a tadpole when the people have had enough of this ineffective government - and woe betide anyone who stands in their way when it happens.

      christelle.theron.3 - 2012-12-14 22:56

      And if the masses do not want to stop voting for the ANC - they must stop B!tching about them. Period. By voting for them, they are really saying, "carry on nailing us!!!"

      beverly.young3 - 2012-12-14 23:24

      Yeah but we will be caught in the middle while chaos reigns.......

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-15 06:40

      I beg to differ. Even the most stupid and ignorant and the most gullible will sooner or later realise that voting ANC is like banging their heads against a wall. You need to stop banging your head in order for the pain to stop.

      mike.mcc.71 - 2012-12-15 08:02

      @kortbroek, you have only to look north to realise that Africa does not work like that, Bob still managed to garner around 50% of the vote last time round indicating a large portion of the population still think he is doing ok. The exact same thing will happen in RSA, starving, dirt poor and absolutley no sign of government anywhere but the thick b@stards will still vote ANC. There are no pills for stupidity.

      gestoffle.vaneerdenvark - 2012-12-15 10:35

      mike.mcc.71 - I wish i could give you a zillion thumbs up....and that people is where our problem lies.....i wont say what mike's keyword was there......

      carl.fourie.9 - 2012-12-15 12:20

      So true christelle, the massas still allow themselves to be influenced and brain washed. It is typical ANC tactics come voting time to remind them who liberated them. It is a typical Acrican syndrome...

      jmlongwe - 2012-12-15 21:57

      @mike and @kortbroek I get your point, but you are really looking at it without analyzing the situation. These countries up north NEVER had a black middle class as big as SA has today. There are too many middle class blacks today that know their interests will be lost if SA were to go down. The ANC has them too, they know in order to steal, people will need to be kept to work. Another thing is that SA is quite diverse in cultures. You will not find a Sotho person vote for Zuma simply because he is Zulu, never.

      ab.normal.961 - 2012-12-17 16:11

      I agree, the ANC will never be beaten at the ballot box. That's why Zuma is building a bunker, why else, unless he intends fighting to stay in power. Unfortunately the coming future actions by the masses will affect the entire country when it does happen. If you though Zim was bad, wait & watch what happen here in SA.

  • megalos.savvas - 2012-12-14 22:43

    Yet come 2014 everyone will stll vote ANC after they throw us a couple of bones and promises . How MANY times must you touch the stove to know that it burns your hand

      davedes - 2012-12-14 22:46

      You couldn't have said it better.

      ahenriquesfernandes - 2012-12-15 04:46

      It is sad but for the older people their vote is base on fear. The younger generation are turning around and not basing their vote on past loyalty.

      david.leftfield - 2012-12-15 09:57

      People who vote ANC loved apartheid. Go figure...

      jmlongwe - 2012-12-15 22:01

      megalos, its not that they don't know the ANC is messing up. Its that history messed it up for the "white" DA. Take with a pinch of salt.

  • Citroes - 2012-12-14 22:49

    We all better hope that an Arab type uprising doesn't happen here. Hopefully a change at the polls for the better will help the country in the right direction.

      muke.matshaba - 2012-12-14 23:41

      @Citroes it wont happen here,cant compare africans wth arabs,those guys r much more brave n can stand their thing n bilieve in what they do.

      Carlton - 2012-12-15 00:51

      Muke and look where they are right now renegades running amok replacing a dictator for another dictator no thanks Ill pass the ballot box will do for me

      mervin.drude - 2012-12-15 02:03

      sorry for you, but we don't think like arabs.

  • Ntutu Dlova - 2012-12-14 22:49

    Honestly, ANC could care less about SA citizens. People have had enough. we put them in power ,we can definitely take them out.

      johan.d.toit.5 - 2012-12-14 22:56

      Why don't you?

      kortbroek.duplessis - 2012-12-15 07:34

      That's the spirit. It's time all politicians realise they have to fight for their votes. Not fighting by throwing chairs and being unruly, but fight by delivering the best service they possibly can. They are their to deliver, they are there to serve the people, not themselves.

  • haasdas123 - 2012-12-14 22:51

    Diholo said he will continue voting for the party- that comment is the reason why the party won't stress.

      Wally Wal - 2012-12-14 23:48

      look at zuma enriching himself and his family not interrested in your problem just want your vote so that they can live lekker

      jan.kotze.7 - 2012-12-15 10:57

      haasdas123 You have highlighted a disturbing issue. People see and can feel the rot but yet this loyalty to the party that is strangling them just don't want to go away. Somehow and I don't know how, this needs to be countered!!!! The opposition parties needs to find a way to lure these voters away from the ruling party.

  • abdul.cassiem.9 - 2012-12-14 22:51

    So u know t ANC is rotten so come 2014 election do the right thing an vote them out THAT IS YOUR RIGHT!!!!

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-12-14 23:15

      It's your *duty* as a citizen to protect the country from all enemies - within and without.

  • itumeleng.aphane - 2012-12-14 23:25

    The masses have spoken

      Mbuso Siera - 2012-12-14 23:58

      Which masses itumeleng.....

      neil.coningham - 2012-12-15 00:07

      The masses of poor South Africans......

      kuno.tschumi.5 - 2012-12-15 15:29

      yes the masses have spoken. unfortunately its the same masses who will go and vote for the moron ANC again. they just dont get it

  • joshua.sematla - 2012-12-14 23:28

    Who wrote this? Mmusi maimane?

      jomah.semur - 2012-12-15 06:16

      Are you stoning the messenger? Do you even understand the message?

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-15 06:54

      For your information, Mmusi Maimane is widely respected among all communities, white and black, rich and poor. He's a bright, intelligent, young black man with real vision. Unlike the puppets of the 'revolution' in the yellow green and gold brigate. Mmusi Maimane supports a party representative of all the people, as is evident not only from their party colours (which are ALL the colours of the national flag, not only SOME of them), but also by the number of black representatives (not that it matters) in key positions, unlike the ANC with two or three white people in its key positions.

      colin.dovey - 2012-12-15 09:01

      And those 2 or 3 "white people" in the ANC, with the exception of Kortbroek, are avowed Communists.

  • fdalana - 2012-12-14 23:33

    jobs are far better than free houses for all. we must stop operating like a charity organisation and start empowering our people with the right skills for them to sustain themselves.

      sharlene.cochrane - 2012-12-15 06:54

      I agree. How much is in the Skills Development Fund that most companies have to contribute to, and why can this money not be used to train people who have no skills? SA is facing a skills shortage. Empower and educate people, and you will see change in this beautiful country.

      zondra.hoffmann - 2012-12-15 09:51

      We have the biggest charity organisation in Africa which is called the SA ANC Government. This is why their support is unwavering. Their first mission was to keep the youngsters uneducated - drop standards, don't deliver text books, leave school building in disrepair - but spend R 250 million on Zuma's compound - encourage school girls to get pregnant to jump in on the grant train, and this is how you rule the country - the older folk who can maybe think for themselves have to die out, and if you have the support of the children you will be OK forever. That's how the Northern African countries were ruled for 40 years without a change!!

      Denny - 2012-12-16 19:38

      @Sharlene - there are plenty of well intentioned schemes (I frequently deal with them). Unfortunately they are as inefficient and corrupt as we have come to expect of government run organisations. People are going to have to understand and accept that only they themselves can be the key to their own salvation ... or wait another 20 years for the ANC not to deliver.

  • Erna - 2012-12-14 23:59

    All very well saying the anc is basically a good party and that its the people who are corrupt. You forget that its the corrupt officials make up the totality called the anc.

  • vernon12345 - 2012-12-15 00:01

    Wow it's only taken 18 years for people to see this. Vote for the party that's not going to screw you offer in future

  • Daniel Nunes - 2012-12-15 00:02

    Fear not ANC, 1 free meal to the masses before election time and your vote from them is all but guaranteed!!!

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-15 06:55

      They'll need more free meals now the ANC has brought us taxpayers e-toll. Because food prices are going to skyrocket.

  • philip.nel.12 - 2012-12-15 00:10

    Of course they don't care . They never have . I don't live a lavish lifestyle . But I think what is happening to those people is disgusting and unfair

  • archie.mooki - 2012-12-15 00:17

    I'm not angry,I'm mad as hell

  • charity.maniana - 2012-12-15 00:21

    A kingdom is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within

  • Mandiana - 2012-12-15 00:43

    News24 trying by all means to report something that's gonna discredit ANC. That's what you do best. Your DA won't win.

      frikb2 - 2012-12-15 06:23

      The DA may not win but when the sh@t hits the fan and the people rise up against the incompetence and corruption i would like to see how many of the now "brave" ANC cadres quickly gets rid of their ANC Cards in exchange for some other partY ID...

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-15 06:57

      Dude, go watch ANC-BC if you want ANC propaganda. Stop being a moron. The DA WILL WIN - eventually. Because they have vision. And they will start the real 'national democratic revolution' now your ANC has destroyed the Gauteng economy with e-toll, raping the poor of even more of their little money through rising food inflation. Enjoy it while it lasts. I remember even the Nationalist government once said "We will never be taken out."

      bobo.jane.1 - 2012-12-15 17:10

      We don`t need your idiot attempt to grow a brain like your useless ANC Mandi..They will never stay in power to keep raping the honest citizens for ever.

  • thozi - 2012-12-15 01:17

    When a government runs an Info-gagging bill through parliament, despite an overwhelming opposition from its own people; When a government destroys houses built by its own citizens, despite ferocious opposition from within and internationally; When a government goes ahead with e-Tolling, despite enormous opposition from its own people; When a government uses about R248 million to “refurbish” the President’s own and private residential compound and ignores the plight of its own millions homeless and poor citizens; When a government continues to enjoy support of the people, despite a series of the mentioned blunders, countless allegations of corruption, self enrichment schemes, fraudulent tenders and much much more... Know that something is wrong... very very wrong.

      Theuns Jacobs - 2012-12-15 04:35

      @thozi. i couldnt agree more. i tell u whats wrong...just look at the top..zuma en kie!

      ronnie.flynn.167 - 2012-12-15 06:03

      Shoo Thozi could not said it better if we vote them (ANC) in again we deserve to suffer

      Leonore Engelbrecht - 2012-12-15 08:26

      couldn't have said it better

  • hugh.robinson.56 - 2012-12-15 01:18

    "The ANC is not a bad movement, it is the people who have brought the rot to the party said Slavate Marema. Well my friend nor was the white nationalist government but then it was the people who ran it. At least back then your Bantu matric was worth the paper it was printed on and if you went to a government hospital you were sure to find a doctor that knew more than the 67% required now as a pass.

      mervin.drude - 2012-12-15 01:51

      and the nurses at that time did'nt have a side income by selling arv's.

  • brian.dlamini - 2012-12-15 01:21

    Reading comments on news24 does not in anyway convince me 2 vote against the ANC.. Racist and cynical remarks won't make me vote DA, if anything it turns me against them! Don't get how some of u ppl think?? Wen u insult blacks and their intellect and there after expect their vote shouldn't u then doubt ur own intellect?!

      joe.smit.549 - 2012-12-15 02:34

      No, not at all.

      Fezile Ntontela - 2012-12-15 04:38

      i support you Brian mfanomdala

      vandeventer.sarel - 2012-12-15 04:46

      Tru that! But come on, if u complain about them but stil vote for them are u intelligent? The anc aint the only 'black' party!!! Vote pac or cope, with 60 percent of the vote they wil walk over u till jesus come

      ronnie.flynn.167 - 2012-12-15 06:12

      I don't think anybody doubts the fact that we have many well educated and intelligent Black citizens Brian but we need to give those unidentified poor people the opportunity to be elevated. Stop the hand outs improve health dept improve level of education do you think 2nd last performance in Maths measured in the world is good.Both these dept's need to be improved.Bring corrupt ANC members to book .Stop over employment in Govt.institutions.

      charmaine.paterson1 - 2012-12-15 06:21

      There is a huge difference between insulting the intellect of someone and calling them uneducated. The masses of South Africa are UNEDUCATED because of the ANC. During apartheid children were taught to burn down schools and boycott classes. Now all our children are given a shoddy education by the ANC. They leave a legacy of disrespect for education. Our country is led by a man with no education and look at the mess we are in, young people are unemployable because of the low pass rates. This all belongs at the door of the ANC. I pity people who are content with so little.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-15 07:02

      Nobody is insulting BLACKS. People are insultign people who CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR THE ANC regardless of their colour. Wake up, please. It's like believing in christmas father despite your friends telling you he doesn't exist at the age of 50. In such case, one deserves insults.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-15 10:32

      Dlamini, what if the racist comments are made by AWB members? How does voting for the ANC help change anything. You are simply authorising those you vote for to continue stealing and destroying the country my friend

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-12-15 15:24

      Fine! Don't vote for the DA, if you prefer a black party, that's your privilege. At least vote for Bantu Holomisa or the IFP, just don't vote ANC, the party that has let you down so badly.

      bobo.jane.1 - 2012-12-15 17:29

      You Sir are the racist...shame go look in a mirror, just another pathetic black man convincing himself he voted against apartheid but deep down hating other races...If you have to read comments on a news platform to make an intellectual decision instead of looking around you, you deserve to get your intellect insulted.

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-12-16 16:19

      Here we go.....racism again, the inevitable response to any criticism. Get your head out of the sand, for heavens sake!

  • bart.henderson.5 - 2012-12-15 01:28

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  • ahmien.vanderwalt - 2012-12-15 02:52

    Sour grapes dude?

  • ahmien.vanderwalt - 2012-12-15 02:53

    Your point Brian? #yawn

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-12-15 03:28

    Finally there is realisation from within that ANC leadership is corrupt..lets see what the masses do come election time !!

      Fezile Ntontela - 2012-12-15 04:41

      the black or white masses Gerald?

      Charles Frederik Robberts - 2012-12-15 06:06

      There are NO white masses! Evidently by your question you are an ANC sheep!

  • esau.banyane - 2012-12-15 04:56

    ts sad so sad to see that there are some people who rather suffure bcos they are trapped into the past by lies of fabricated stories. U are yo own n u choose yo destiny.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-15 07:03

      Yes, we agree. And that destiny starts right there at the ballot box. Tip: Don't vote for anything that's only yellow green or gold, or looks like a pug-dog.

  • Charles Frederik Robberts - 2012-12-15 05:23

    One will not be able to change the minds of the SHEEP. They will continue to follow the ANC, break and destroy property paid for by the few who are fortunate to have work, and eat up all the fodder presented to them by the mamparas they elect.

  • terence.wessels - 2012-12-15 05:34

    I will continue to vote ANC. Lmfao. Well then suffer Mr can't find a job for 5 years. You must be very stupid or totally insane to vote for the party responsible for this. They do not care about you. Only money and power. Primitive and greedy. That's all. Viva ANC. Makes me laugh.

  • thinus.lotz1 - 2012-12-15 06:08

    They the blacks wanted it, so why complain. So now you know why apartheid worked and the ANC deception never will. Stop complaining and enjoy poverty, since you voted for it.

      Charles Frederik Robberts - 2012-12-15 06:11


      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-12-15 06:42

      You got it all wrong, you are looking at it from an angle obscured by a racial view, when you voted for the NP years after years i do not want to believe you voted for them to kill blacks and imprison them, you never wanted them to separate families rape women and keep blacks very far away from towns, etc, but mainly u voted for them becouse you thought they were the only party you can vote for, you never trusted the IFP or the other parties then, its just the same with us now, it is not about being uneducated, sheepish or something, you see, i wondered how on earth can ordinary peace loving whites can go on voting for such a party forsaken by the whole world, its only now that i understand why whites kept on voting for the NP, and NOW you are doing the wondering, but one day you will understand

      MoshKaDeph - 2012-12-15 06:52

      Oh really? Really! Really, you wanted to say that. I don't like what is happening in this country but if you really mean what you are saying i wish you well

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-15 07:08

      Don't be an idiot. Whites had a choice between the NP and the KP. Which one you wish our fathers voted for instead? And wake up. The NP is now WITHIN the ANC. The DA is not. Most whites support the DA. Not because it's a white party (because then the ANC is ultimately a black party, isn't it). Because they have VISION. Real VISION. Real PLANS for our country. LIKE THE JOB WAGE SUBSIDY which will enable me to employ and skill young black people. Which the ANC currently prevents. So the ANC is HAMPERING job creation.

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-12-15 07:20

      You totaly missed my point, you thick nut! You are a lost couse! Do what you do and ill do what i do, but it wont get us anywhere, i tell you, we will both be just spectators, watching the likes of zuma ravaging this country, just becouse we both want to win an arguement.

      talana.malherbe - 2012-12-15 09:11

      Sorry Thinus but apartheid only worked for the whites. Agreed the current ANC is a huge failure but we need to find a solution for all cultures.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-15 09:46

      Nobody is trying to win an argument, my friend. The alternative is THERE. Some are just to darn stuck up with skin colour to SEE it.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-15 10:25

      Thinus lots, and your boyfriend Charles Frederik, did you speak to "they the blacks" or are you thinking thru your r's?

      thinus.lotz1 - 2012-12-16 09:12

      1. I never ever voted NP(traitors). 2. I'll never vote DA, since Zille started the black sash in previous years witch is a full blood communist group and I'm sure the DA will bring communism to light as they get into power. 3. I voted NO in the referendum.

  • shane.solomonsappels - 2012-12-15 06:14

    It is sad that we voted these greedy self obsessed bastards into power in 1994. I totally aggree with every comment made 'the ANC elite is only there to enrich themselves'. When voted in to 'power' government it's your responsibility to represent the people that placed you there and also those that did not vote for you. The comment made about the DA: I don't know whether they will be better than the ANC but history has proven that it repeats itself. Yet I also want to say: in order for change to happen we need to start being the change, rather than violent distructive rioting an breaking down the little we already have, our riots should be peaceful and come 2014 we should vote for the party that will clearly see to our needs as the masses and as the people that voted them into government. I dream of a day where we are free and every person in South Africa has access to the basic rights as outlined in our constitution. I dream of that day when we have a president that would hear the cries of this nation.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-15 09:48

      Shane, no party will ever be perfect. But no party can be made perfect by its voters if it's not given a chance either. Vote for a good alternative, and help shape them for the future of our children.

  • archie.mooki - 2012-12-15 06:14

    South Africans are deeply wounded and one can see how they communicate to each other.Racist remarks and INSULTES hailed at each more especially from majorIty Whites are disturbing.This doesn't assist us to move forward together in the best interest of our country Make your point in a kind way cause its always possible to be kind.With love from New York where we just see people not Black or White.

  • Wikus Erasmus - 2012-12-15 06:22

    Then keep voting for them... These locusts in government won't stop eating your food until its ALL gone... you had your chance to make your voice heard in the last elections but you chose to sharrap. Its YOUR fault. at least vote for anyone rather than the ANC if your racist heart wont allow you to vote DA.

  • dee.bone.39 - 2012-12-15 06:24

    when we started the 1976 uprising in Cape Town, at the same time as the uprising in Soweto, it was uncoordinated. Same as the Gauteng one, it had absolutely nothing to do with the ANC. I am sure this was the case for the rest of the country. Like thieves, they hijacked the struggle and today show their true colours. Why I never had high regard vor Nelson Mandela was that he was always putting the ANC before loyalty to the country. Come on people the ANC is no longer a movement. No, not any, political party deserves loyalty. Undying loyalty to any political party is a danger to any country. The ANC is a party and they are having one big party in the upper echelons. Their families have amassed and or squandered while country weeps. They have little or no loyalty to this country and should be removed from power and be tried in courts of justice for evil they have brought upon our country. Having our guarenteed u vote makes them arrogant in their abuse of our country and the poor suffer most. We must put our vote elsewhere and teach them a lesson. This idea about giving my loyalty to a political party is stupid to say the least. We the people liberated OUR country and cannot just stand by and support its destruction

  • motleleng - 2012-12-15 06:29

    You reap what you saw...2014 is your last chance or else you will be burning tires on the streets for poor delivery..

  • morake.david - 2012-12-15 06:40

    The revolution will be on ballot - many will fold arms

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-15 07:10

      Yeah. The ANC will see a real 'national democratic revolution' begin right there. There communist talk will come back and bite them in their anti-democratic asses.

  • freddy.masia.52 - 2012-12-15 06:52

    2014 is around the corner let's hope 4 de best

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-15 07:12

      Don't HOPE for the best. DO your best. VOTE THEM OUT. And get all your family, friends and even colleagues to vote them out. AT LEAST IN GAUTENG. They DESERVE it. But in fact, the more places, the better. You don't even have to vote DA (although it might be a good idea to go look up their REAL policies, not the stuff COSATU wants people to believe) - you can vote for ANYONE else. I for one despise them more DAILY because they had just made it harder for my workers to buy food - through e-toll and rising food inflation.

  • wonder.dila - 2012-12-15 06:56

    For the ANC to get the black middle class vote is simple, just ask them to log on to News24 and read the comments of those claiming to support the DA and bam, they will all come back to vote the ANC. Nothing makes one cringe as much as the comments here, it's disgusting most of the times!!!

      donovan.hendricks.7 - 2012-12-15 07:11

      Ey! Now what do you expect us to do? Support,endorse this corrupt sorry excuse for a government of yours? Get rid of that stupid mentality of yours.All that we desire is a good clean government that can deliver regardless of race.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-12-15 07:15

      Nonsense. There are more black participants here, and several of our comments draw likes to the hundreds. Only brainwashed ANC supporters will see CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM as 'racist remarks and insults'. ANY ANC SUPPORTER THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO SEE OTHERWISE AND STILL DOESN'T DESERVES TO BE INSULTED. LIKE THIS: ** PATRIC CRAVEN (he's white), YOU ARE A MORON **. Like that? Why? BECAUSE, PATRICK, YOUR ORGANISATION CLAIMS TO OPPOSE E-TOLL BUT YOU'RE IN BED WITH THE ANC. YOU DEMONISE FARMERS FOR PAYING MINIMUM WAGES TO SEASONAL WORKERS, BUT YOU'RE IN THE CABINET THAT DETERMINED AND PASSED THE RATES. AND THAT CABINET ISN'T CONTROLLED BY FARMERS. Something like that, for example? That's not RACIST. Any educated black person will REALISE that. In fact, you no longer need to be educated - you just need to be informed.

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-12-15 07:42

      @wonder, very true, if i was mantashe i will make sure that i supply every black person with a device and unlimited access to news24 site, that, on its own can beat any campaign for votes any anc genius can ever come up with, @dewald, u might want keep watch at you caps button, it randomly keeps going on and off.

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-12-15 08:11

      @khethu.ndlovu.3 Are you gonna be News24's new caped crusader and fly to all who don't have access to the Internet?? The hate speech I have read on this sight from the uneducated ANC twats, are disturbing to say the least, but that's OK isn't, shame, they were disadvantaged, weren't they, eish shame, let them talk about killing minorities, that's ok comrades!

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-12-15 08:25

      Could not agree more Wonder. A lot of people spew their racial hatred on this site and then end with some stupid comment as 'and I am not racist'. Racism is such an integral part of their DNA that they do not seem to realise it. Racists from both sides of the spectrum tend to get angry with one another and criticise in a very destructive way. DA supporters generally get angry with ANC supporters and insult them instead of positively engaging them. And then they wonder why there is a perception that the DA is a white racist party. Humility will get more results than arrogance I think.

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-12-15 08:29

      @wonder.dila I forgot to have a go at you too, who are you to sit in your ivy tower passing judgment and washing your hands in holy water, acting like god himself! The ANC sheep spews hate speech on this forum like there is no tomorrow, so don't point a finger, because remember, there's always 4 fingers pointing right back at you!

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-12-15 08:33

      @vernon.samuel.7? so the ANC supporters are so very humble in their comments, no racism from their side??? You lying through your teeth, its great to point fingers isn't?

      david.leftfield - 2012-12-15 10:06

      People who vote for the ANC must have liked apartheid. Still no difference. Keep on voting for them - keep on getting less!

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-15 10:23

      Wonder you seem to assume the black middle class depends on the ANC for anything. Most are hardworking people who have degrees. All they want is good governance, regardless of who is governing. Most are taking away their votes from the ANC because they cannot take part in appointing people who continue to steal and rape SA.

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-12-15 10:43

      There you go. One person replies to three different individuals and takes personal shots at them instead of debating the issues. Proves my point perfectly. Remember that the ANC are in power. The DA need votes to topple the ANC. Where do they get those votes? Mostly from non-voters and from ANC supporters. Whites need these black ANC supporters to vote your preferred party into power. You do not welcome them with open arms by insulting them. You are merely reinforcing their hatred for you. And the argument that they are arrogant! So what? So you need to satisfy your egos by fighting insults with insults? Engage them intellectually and you may be surprised that you have a lot more in common than you think.

  • ponkie.diel.9 - 2012-12-15 07:09

    The cANCer has taken incompetence and parasite to levels never seen before in history...

  • veritas.odium.paret - 2012-12-15 07:11

    It's like a woman staying with a man who beats her or consistently hurts her emotionally when she could leave him - it never makes sense, it's sad and oftentimes frustrating, yet it does happen and, usually, not much can be done except to keep encouraging the victim to do the right thing before it's too late.

  • giel.cillie - 2012-12-15 07:12

    Why do vote them in?

  • mariette.troxler - 2012-12-15 07:16

    Who said this? "If the Anc does deliver the goods, the people must do to it what they have done to the apartheid regime." Nelson Mandela. They never quote that one in their propaganda speeches when they use the old revered one for their own advancement. But there you have it, permission from Madiba himself. No one needs to vote ANC out of loyalty to Tata.

  • christopher.mogami - 2012-12-15 07:22

    why do you say anc delivered us from apartheid?

  • frank.hartry - 2012-12-15 07:24

    The bulk of the electorate are from the rural areas who are extremely poor and rely on government social grants to survive. The ANC inexorably grabs the rural votes by telling the people that the grants are from the coffers of the ANC and that they will lose the grants if the ANC does not retain power. The ANC also gives out food parcels- paid for by we taxpayers- to people in the rural areas during the election campaign.

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-12-15 08:38

      That is exactly the point Frank. If I were a poor black voter, I would definitely vote ANC. All that I had in the 80's was poverty. Now I have slightly reduced poverty, along with the vote to make me feel part of the system, access to running water and electricity, occasional food parcels and a grant of a few hundred rands a month. This is scoffed at by whites, but it means the world to me. Better the devil you know. I would rather vote for the ANC and be assured of this little, than the possibility of losing it all again if the DA gains power. I do not know the difference between DA, NP, FF. To me, white is white.

      talana.malherbe - 2012-12-15 09:00

      Vernon I can understand your point of view. Just think how much better things can be for you and your family if some other party can change things and can make a difference. Knowledge is power my friend. Take the time and effort and learn what the other parties are all about, you might just change your mind.

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-12-15 10:49

      Quite right Talana. But people in the rural villages do not have access to information like us in the cities. We have internet and the media and people around us with diverse views. In the rural areas, I would imagine that everyone believes what their parents believe and so it goes. It will be difficult to convince these people that change will improve things. Their livelihood is at stake. So the question is, how do opposition parties infiltrate this huge voting base? I do not know the answer. But I do know that it is not insulting them and criticising them for voting for the ANC.

  • mariette.troxler - 2012-12-15 07:30

    Sorry the quote is: "If the Anc does NOT deliver the goods the people must do to it what it did to the apartheid regime."

  • sarel.brits - 2012-12-15 07:33

    Shame man this must suck, but you deserve the Government you vote for and if Black people can not accept White people and vote on performance instead of race then there is nothing that will stop the rot and it will get worse. So all you armchair revolutionary s and black diamonds enjoy it wile it lasts either way this corruption will stop.

  • gabriel.madisha - 2012-12-15 07:37

    I agree with you my good friends but voting my friends is done by the few illiterate fit ty, anc has recently proved to be mortal thanks to DA that scoped over 16% of the voters rolls. My point is that let use this tools of media to voice our concerns and do majori ing so relentlessly. This people are sick and consumer by greed "how do you call yourself a president when you use taxpayers money to build yourself a R280 Million "resort" house? Zuma and the anc are not fit to rule...

  • gabriel.madisha - 2012-12-15 07:38

    I agree with you my good friends but voting my friends is done by the few illiterate fit ty, anc has recently proved to be mortal thanks to DA that scoped over 16% of the voters rolls. My point is that let use this tools of media to voice our concerns and do majori ing so relentlessly. This people are sick and consumer by greed "how do you call yourself a president when you use taxpayers money to build yourself a R280 Million "resort" house? Zuma and the anc are not fit to rule...

  • gabriel.madisha - 2012-12-15 07:38

    I agree with you my good friends but voting my friends is done by the few illiterate fit ty, anc has recently proved to be mortal thanks to DA that scoped over 16% of the voters rolls. My point is that let use this tools of media to voice our concerns and do majori ing so relentlessly. This people are sick and consumer by greed "how do you call yourself a president when you use taxpayers money to build yourself a R280 Million "resort" house? Zuma and the anc are not fit to rule...

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-12-15 07:49

      Gabriel, my friend, i clearl got what u wanted to say from your 1st comment.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-15 10:47

      Say that again Madisha. We must pass on the message to our relatives to use their votes wisely. The ANC has taken us for granted for far too long

  • wendy.webb.980 - 2012-12-15 07:41

    Just a suggestion for those who philosophically are diehard ANC supporters, but who nevertheless see the rot. I’d like to say try voting for another party at national level, but I know that realistically it’s probably too big an ask. However, the 2014 elections will be national AND provincial. Why not try voting with your heart nationally, but with your head provincially, and a couple of years after that municipally? It’s at the provincial and municipal level that things really happen. One doesn’t have to vote for the same party at both national and provincial level. And if you’re not happy with the results, there will be another election after 5 years. But, at least, give it a try. It would be interesting to see if another party (realistically it would likely be the DA) could turn around a dysfunctional province like the Eastern Cape.

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-12-15 12:58

      or simply do not vote!

  • nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-15 07:48

    *but like many people who felt angered by the ANC Diholo said he would continue voting fot the party* ......Need I say more ? .....