Post-mortem for French fugitive couple

2011-01-22 14:40

Johannesburg - A post-mortem on a French couple, killed during an apparent shoot-out with police on a farm near Sutherland, will be performed next week, the Hawks said on Saturday.

Spokesperson McIntosh Polela said the French embassy would also be sending someone to assist in positively identifying the couple Philippe Menière, 60, and Agnes Jardel, 55, who evaded police for nearly a week after they shot and killed a policeman and wounded another.

"We are very grateful to the French embassy for sending someone over. It was otherwise going to be very difficult in identifying them because we hear that the doctor [Menière] had cut off all contact with his mother," Polela said.

The autopsy would be performed in Kimberly, and it was not certain when the cause of their deaths would be known.

Polela could also not say if Menière's mother was informed of the shooting which took place on Thursday at Hardie farm just before noon.

The pair allegedly shot dead student Constable Jacob Boleme, 27, and wounded Warrant Officer Glenwall du Toit, 42, after they were called in by Gerhardus du Plessis, owner of the farm, to help evict the couple from his property.

They had lived on the farm for 12 years. Du Plessis wanted to evict them when he found a number of unlicensed firearms in their possession.

On Friday, a team from the Independent Complaints Directorate (ICD) arrived in Sutherland to investigate their deaths.

"They will look into the allegation that people died due to police action," ICD spokesperson Tiyani Sambo said.

He said the directorate has to "probe" the incident because people were killed, allegedly by police officers.

  • goyougoodthing - 2011-01-22 14:49

    Surely cause of death would most likely be explained by the missing bits of vital organs shredded by metal. Why the need for a post mortem? Are they checking to see if they really are french :-)

      coolwaynie - 2011-01-22 15:03

      Get back to keo.

      goyougoodthing - 2011-01-22 15:16

      ha you too.

      CenturionX - 2011-01-22 16:06

      It is probably to see if the police actions of killing the fugitives were justified. It does not sound very good to the reasonable man theory at this time. 85 armed and dangerous policemen killing two elderly fugitives - a bit of overkill if I may. Hopefully they have more compassion when the CIA activate my chip. - 2011-01-22 16:10

      Your body only needs a small amount of iron to survive, not fifty bullets. I think that will be to much.

      Dan - 2011-01-22 16:20

      @ CenturionX. I think that is the way you eactually hunt armed and "crazy" fugitives down my friend. Have you seen how the American hunt down fugitives - they send in an army with all available weapon. Don't know why our police never empleyed the same tactics with farm murders in SA, or maybe I know .... The only concern I have with this story is the fact that it took the police 6 days to discover them in a house a mere 500m from the house they stayed in for 12 years. Not a very good reflection on our detective skills.

  • coolwaynie - 2011-01-22 15:02

    They will be found to have died of lead poisoning...

  • jkoorts - 2011-01-22 15:11

    Only a CSI fan would understand the need for a post mortem.

      goyougoodthing - 2011-01-22 15:50

      Surely a post mortem is used mainly to determine COD. In this case one could assume it is fairly obvious. Maybe they are looking for the microchips that the CIA implant in people to make them go mad. They do it in your sleep you know... - 2011-01-22 16:14

      Hey I thought only ET.s did that?

      MyPal_Al - 2011-01-23 08:05

      Come on guys, you can't be that dumb. All reports use the words apparent police killing. Post mortem is to determine if it was in fact a police shooting or a sucide.

  • Dan - 2011-01-22 16:12

    I always thought the police and all the other special forces were called in specifically to hunt those two bastards down? Did I miss something? Now I hope the police will turn to the other thousands of similar cult figures in this country with their "End of the world" bullshit and hunt each one of them down too. Clean our society from these rubbish once and for all.

  • Neestem - 2011-01-22 16:18

    in the Volksblad today the farmer said he has never seen any firearms... and in this report: Du Plessis wanted to evict them when he found a number of unlicensed firearms in their possession. WTF?????????? there are some lies here..all the firearms was also bought by the he had licences...

  • Everard - 2011-01-22 16:28

    There is something bizarre about the claims that the Farmer had found "unlicenced" firearms. In order to establish this the Farmer would have had to have serial numbers and access to a police computer to establish this information. Clearly the statements made are flawed, and should be investigated more thoroughly as these comments are clearly suspicious.

  • Dan - 2011-01-22 16:30

    Just wonder who is the ring leader of this idiotic cult these two belonged to? Maybe it is worth looking into that. If these two had such crazy ideas, then surely the police should investigate the cult itself a bit further - well decent investigative action in other countries would have looked at the operations of such a cult. How many people in SA are also part of this sick cult.

      VM1 - 2011-01-22 20:25

      Dan There are a lot of moegoe cults out there - and most of them are in the small dorpies whre nobody will notice them. We only know when the landlord does not like them anymore.These ididots walk among us - so of them hold real jobs like us and when they get home put on white sheets and dance around fires.The chap nextdoor to you could be one of these crazies ]- makes you think ! ! !

  • WPWW - 2011-01-24 07:39

    Dan thats how police "hunt" white farmers at any rumour of them having guns or being "dangerous". There is a big stinking rat in this whole story. Read the story of the natal farm murder by police

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