Pregnant girls drinking for grants - report

2012-10-17 08:40

Cape Town - Authorities are probing reports that pregnant teenagers are drinking heavily in the hopes that their babies are born with foetal alcohol syndrome (FAS), making them eligible for a bigger grant.

This shocking claim came to light after Leana Olivier, CEO of the Foundation for Alcohol Research said such reports had been made in the Eastern Cape, stated the Cape Argus.

The disability grant in such cases was R1 200 instead of the R280 child grant.

Olivier said in the Western Cape it had been reported that there was a trend with pregnant teenagers to drink heavily in an attempt to abort the unborn child.

“There seems to be a developing trend to drink to kill the unborn baby or cause harm to get grants… [which] suggests foetal alcohol syndrome may be much bigger than research has established. In some provinces the problem seems… bigger than HIV/Aids,” Olivier said.

A spokesperson for the Association for Responsible Alcohol Use said there was no information on how much alcohol could cause FAS but it believed it was safest not to drink any alcohol while pregnant.

  • george.pistorius - 2012-10-17 08:44

    Stop the fu#king Grants they abuse them!!!

      lsenekal - 2012-10-17 08:54

      That's not the point, nor a solution. (*then the babies will suffer?*)

      hayley.fredericks.9 - 2012-10-17 09:02

      Isenekal, do you think the babies are any better off if the mother gets the grant? Let me tell you they are not spending a cent of that grant on the baby I can promise you that!

      Erna - 2012-10-17 09:07

      @Isenekal The babies suffer in any case!

      amanda.victor.92 - 2012-10-17 09:50

      @Isenekal - how about the government take the grant money and educate girls about having numerous children before they're 20? All to different fathers? If you educate the girls then they won't have babies early and they'll finish school and get an education, where they can EARN money to support their own kids. Why must tax payers pay for her to enjoy unprotected sex and producing offspring for us to bring up for her? These grants do nothing but encourage young girls to have kids when they're barely out of nappies themselves, putting them forever in poverty.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-10-17 10:08

      The government pays them to have sex and fall pregnant. There is a term for that. Pimping!!! There can't be to many pimp governments in the world.

      stolsie - 2012-10-17 12:02

      Kala.Bafazi - I couldn't agree more with your opinion, shocking to realise

      zambezi.river - 2012-10-17 12:47

      DA supporters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • mahlorislash - 2012-10-17 08:45

    What is wrong with my people always trying to be parisitic or play victim. I think such should be equated to neglect and make it prosecutable as crime against the state

      merven.halo - 2012-10-17 08:53

      Not just the state, also against the unborn child.

      kobie.nel1 - 2012-10-17 09:09

      Flipit Mahlorislash, you did it. I'm slammed flat. NOW, you get in contact with Tuli Madonsela and you two get this country straightened out. I'm with you all the way.

      shanthal.davids - 2012-10-17 09:13

      That is so sick whats happening to our society u would rather be the cause of that child suffering for the rest of his / her life and for what a lousy R1200.00 sjoe i don't know my people disgust me i feel like puking "sad face"

  • Thando Tdoz Kubheka - 2012-10-17 08:46

    stupid reckless ignorant fools!!!

  • faizieishlah.shabalala - 2012-10-17 08:47

    Interesting. And they say that people from the EC are stupid. Not true. They know how to access grants.

      lorain.maseko - 2012-10-17 08:49

      It's always Limpopo and the EC,nothing good can come out of those two places,must be something in the water.

      ben.spreeth - 2012-10-17 09:03

      The word that comes to mind is SLY.

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-10-17 08:47

    Simple. Halve the grant paid to any foetal alcohol baby.

      richard.t.holman - 2012-10-17 09:19

      It's still more than the standard grant. Lay criminal charges and confiscate the child due to neglect and pay a normal grant.

      kala.bafazi - 2012-10-17 10:21

      None of which solves the problem of extra mouths to feed, a child living a miserable life in some government run orphanage. The mother should be made to work for the state for her grant. Whether it is sweeping the streets or tending to communal gardens. F@kall should be for free.

      stolsie - 2012-10-17 12:05

      Mother and Father should be held responsible - And maybe some sort of paid community service should be introduced instead of straight forward grants.

  • Erna - 2012-10-17 08:49

    Is there no end to the wickedness of the people in SA?

      cepotgieter - 2012-10-17 09:01

      These arnt people !!! These are animals! Dogs! Need to be sterilized

      ever.ryman - 2012-10-17 09:42

      cepotgiter: You insult animals and dogs.

  • zwelithini.gagayi - 2012-10-17 08:52

    I found it hard to believe this story. I agree we have a lot of irresponsible teenagers, but do they even understand what FAS is? The second question is, "is the FAS detected from the time the baby is born"? I agree there is a lot of irresponsible behaviour which in many cases is encouraged by lack of knowledge and something needs to be done to stop it.

      cepotgieter - 2012-10-17 09:00

      Fas can lead to factors u can emidiatly see after birth such as an under developed child, under weight, missing a limb organs nor working. Or he can look perfect .... Tell he has to walk talk or go to school then u hav to send your child to the HPO school cuz u couldn't give up 9 months of alcohol. And no they know exactly what fas is that's why they delibratly drink and they know it will cause it. And they know thee is a graunt so it is a disability.... They aren't stupid in that way...

      Erna - 2012-10-17 09:09

      You can pick it up immediately after birth.

  • jomar.delange - 2012-10-17 08:53

    The word you're looking for is 'evil'.

  • hermann.schwindt - 2012-10-17 08:53

    I am feeling sick after reading this. Indeed no respect for human life, not even for your own unborn flesh and blood :(

      Erna - 2012-10-17 09:38

      Unfortunately these girls don't look at these children as "flesh and blood" but as a pay packet.

      chandrebrown - 2012-10-17 09:40

      I agree. These ppl r evil. Feel sorry for my unborn.

  • jacqueline.engelbrecht.54 - 2012-10-17 08:54

    This the generation that is being raised and the so-called future of South Africa. They should al be sterilized so they cannot breed any more. Take away their right to choose and abuse the government grants.

  • bond.ndalo - 2012-10-17 08:58

    Government needs to put measures towards prenancy.

      jungleboy - 2013-04-15 06:35

      Yes, let's ask Zuma to do it...he's good at it.

  • lauren.pelati - 2012-10-17 09:00

    Sick biatch's!! Oh sorry, lack of brains and humanity? They were obviously not loved by their parents, no child who is loved could be so cruel. Make's you think! I can't really speak my mind here, but i can sure think it out loud to myself.

  • greypatriot - 2012-10-17 09:01

    How extensive is this practice nationally? What is the situation per province? How many are already receiving the higher grant? How much alcohol must they drink to create the problem? Where do they get the money for the drinks? What are the facts?

      cepotgieter - 2012-10-17 09:04

      What facts! They delibratly cause FAS! That's it!!!!!!!! What more do u want to know.

  • grantdean10 - 2012-10-17 09:03

    Better idea - just dont have premarital sex!!! Keep what is sacred sacred!!!

  • susan.dejager2 - 2012-10-17 09:04

    Hmm, one of them might be carrying our future president!

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-10-17 09:09

    Many years ago this grant system was a blessing to the poor but today it is abused and I believe should now be used in another way. School girls are falling pregnant to get a grant and this money is their pocket money, they have no wish whatsoever to care for the child. Often the child is dumped on the family while they enjoy themselves. When this system is stopped you will hopefully more responsible woman and teenagers. There is no need today for woman or teenagers to have unwanted pregnancies, condoms, the pill is freely available. I say use the grant money to invest in a fund, so that when these children have finished school, that grant money will pay for them to go to university and this way they will benefit much more.

  • herbert.plessis - 2012-10-17 09:10

    Just another instance of where the welfare state, and a racist one at that, is failing the population. Welfare should be apportioned to those that CANNOT help themselves, not the lazy, stupid and ignorant.

  • chuma.mtumi - 2012-10-17 09:11

    Matthew 6:24 New International Version (NIV) 24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money. things people do for money scares me for real, this world Needs help.

  • dragonfire47 - 2012-10-17 09:12

    now i've heard it all, do they have no shame

      lorain.maseko - 2012-10-17 10:04

      I think all girl should be forced to take contraceptives from the age of 12, FK their human rights it's for their own good,clearly they dont know what to do with rights.

      Andrea - 2012-10-17 12:15

      well said lorain.

  • helio.paulo.7 - 2012-10-17 09:12

    just how low can you go!!!!!

  • michelle.e.magson - 2012-10-17 09:16

    F me. Sterilise them. They should have no further right to procreate. It is appalling, and attributable to a lack of education in this regard. Bring back SexEd in schools. And perhaps the Government can stop sweeping such problems under the rug. Maybe some money can go to teen education and support, instead of Sgt Peppers Traveling Wives malarkey.

  • trevor.mashilo - 2012-10-17 09:16

    Ao bathong!!What is this nw disgusting nd unhuman behaviour from this B**%

  • - 2012-10-17 09:17

    Let's get the fact. There is too much based on hearsay here. Such a serious situation needs a serious intervention. Saying we heard that they do so and so is not good enough for me. What are the facts?

  • luyanda.qoyi - 2012-10-17 09:18

    This is sick to the core

  • jo.g.cronje - 2012-10-17 09:18

    Tik does bad things to you.

  • trevor.mashilo - 2012-10-17 09:20

    Aron Motsoaledi was pleading with Government to introduce a condom programme at schools and I think is about time.*Shocked*

      Erna - 2012-10-17 09:42

      Bringing condoms to schools won't help - these girls fall pregnant on purpose, so what is the chance that they will ask partner(s) to use condoms?

  • pgqoboka - 2012-10-17 09:30

    Mothers of babies born with FAS should be thrown in jail and their children taken away from them. They obviously have no respect for human life. Evil Monsters!!!

  • motleleng - 2012-10-17 09:32

    The government should introduce the policy that those who receive child grands should do 40 hours of community service per month

  • collins.ntelele - 2012-10-17 09:36

    South Africa,A rotten country.

      Erna - 2012-10-17 09:42

      Through and through.

  • magda.harmse - 2012-10-17 09:37

    What the hell? Why put your child in danger? These people honestly don't deserve to have children!

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-17 10:25

      Magda, no they dont deserve to have children. They do deserve decent sex education and knowledge about such things as FAS. How ever since most of them don't even get school books on time, I am afraid that good education is also a pipe dream.

  • Teuneman - 2012-10-17 09:43

    Barbaric. Pregnant teens should be criminally charged unless they were raped and a rape case were opened against the father. They should then be put in a public service centre where they can clean streets, public toilets ect. They are minors, can't support the child and steals tax payer's money.

  • collins.ntelele - 2012-10-17 09:47

    South Africa

      narike.lintvelt.9 - 2012-10-17 09:53

      Jesus wept.

  • ronelle.campher - 2012-10-17 09:48

    i didn't even know they get more money in these cases... no wonder. don't give them money, give them vouchers, workout a voucher system.

  • chandrebrown - 2012-10-17 09:53

    Any women that is pregnant or has a baby, that feeling you get of this is yours, and then they go and drink so that their is something wrong with the baby. You should be shot, or even better, put in jail for being a dumass. They have no common knowledge or understanding on what it is like to become a parent. I have changed my WHOLE LIFESTYLE to give my baby everything in the world. and then you hear this. Makes my heart sore. I am not proud to be a South African and Hear this. Shame on any person who thinks this is acceptable.

  • solange.russo - 2012-10-17 09:58

    Might sound a bit harsh to some - but there shouldnt be a bigger grant for children born with FAS. This just leaves a huge loop hole for these stupid women to be doing exactly what they're doing!! FAS is not something that "just happens" - its self inflicted. The problem here is lack of accountability! If you're going to procreate - make sure you can afford to raise them. Cannot always depend on the tax payers money to bail you out!

  • busisiwe.kubeka1 - 2012-10-17 10:05

    DA supporters

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-17 10:28

      Busisie.kubeka1. We are talking about handicapped children and you come up with your stupid DA nonsense. Why persit in making a fool of yourself?. Go troll somewhere else. Grown ups are busy here.

      tiaan.fourie - 2012-10-17 12:57

      Is that supposed to be an insult? Go back to your tree.

      dehlia.fredericks - 2012-10-17 23:30

      soma lekker stupid!

      Zahir - 2012-10-18 07:53

      No brain dead anc voters get paid to increase votes

      sibusiso.mkoko - 2012-10-18 08:13

      Lmao. Esp the Cape flats. The DA is behind it

  • linda.horsfield.77 - 2012-10-17 10:07

    This is only part of the way that the grant system is being abused!Firstly, these teenagers are receiving a child grant themselves, because they are under 18. Then they receive a further child grant for their baby - whose birth is registered in the urban area in which they live AND in both rural areas where the families comes from. So far ... the same child has been registered 3 times. Then - the grannies in the rural areas claim foster child grants as they claim they are taking care of the baby. Foster child grants are close to R1000.00 a month. As no one ever checks that this child is actually alive, often, as soon as it is registered for the child grant it is dumped in a toilet - which explains why new borns arent dumped anymore - they first have to take it to a clinic and then register for a child grant. So, it is a very lucrative business to have a baby in SA - it is worth over R2 500.00 a month for the next 18 years - even if it has already been left to die somewhere! By providing baby products instead of cash i.e. infant formula, nappies etc this practice would stop immediately - but the ANC would never consider this because they work on a system of patronage. If THEY provide these grants they are assured the recipients votes! Sadly the majority of SA are so ignorant they dont realise that it is the taxpayers that pay for these grants and NOT the ANC - and the ANC are certainly going to keep them uninformed...

  • khathu.rasi - 2012-10-17 10:07

    This grant thing is a mass, mxm, Just cansell this grants man, people must work for their money, in this child grant the job discription is simple, Open legs and have sex for preg, people are so lazy here in SA

  • khathu.rasi - 2012-10-17 10:08

    This grant thing is a mass, mxm, Just cansell this grants man, people must work for their money, in this child grant the job discription is simple, Open legs and have sex for preg, people are so lazy here in SA

  • khathu.rasi - 2012-10-17 10:08

    This grant thing is a mass, mxm, Just cansell this grants man, people must work for their money, in this child grant the job discription is simple, Open legs and have sex for preg, people are so lazy here in SA

  • khathu.rasi - 2012-10-17 10:15

    Ive been saying this, and ull say it again, Women are also criminals bigtym, yet they are so trusted, watch out

      anele.mveku - 2012-10-17 10:29

      Khathu are you calling teenage grls women?

      anele.mveku - 2012-10-17 10:29

      Khathu are you calling teenage grls women?

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-17 10:16

    I know such a young man with FAS. Thank goodness he was adopted by caring and loving people. At one time he told them he wanted to become a lawyer so he can sue his mother for what she did to him. Bless him, he didn't become a lawyer but a happy, wholesome young person doing the best he can with his disability.

  • delish7564 - 2012-10-17 10:18

    Having a baby is not a right, it's a privilege and there are plenty of women who can't have a child for whatever reason who would give their right arm for these babies. In my opinion, any girl who deliberately causes harm by too much drinking or taking drugs (in order to get more money) should not only have her baby taken away but should most definitely Not be given any grant and to prevent it happening again she should be sterilized, sending a clear signal that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated :(. May be extreme and there will always be those liberal thinkers that say these girls have rights too, however, anyone who deliberately inflicts harm for money should lose those rights!!

  • helen.derobillard - 2012-10-17 10:27

    Not surpriced at all,hand outs is the way in this country, simlpe minded nation

  • - 2012-10-17 10:27

    The very sad thing is that these girls give birth, leave the babies with their parents or grandparents, take the grant, and use the money on themselves. How increadiblly selfish has this world become?

  • lskosana3 - 2012-10-17 10:31

    Shocking shocking shocking, the height of ignorance!

  • anele.mveku - 2012-10-17 10:32

    Ignorance on their part,these children need to be educated if they knw better they will do better as a wise man once said \education is the only weapon that can change this world.

      eleanore.hill - 2012-10-17 21:39

      That's just the problem, many of our youths couldn't be bothered with education. They have to do something to get it. Alcohol, taverns, tik and crime is a much better life. They live at home, their family takes care of them and they pretty much bleed the grant system or get up to no good in the streets.

  • xolisile.zimu1 - 2012-10-17 10:33

    Wht has dis world cum 2? Ay iskhath sokgcina lesi! Heartless girls nxx

  • lyn.ward.73 - 2012-10-17 10:43

    The mentality and the constant corrupt way of thinking and living just astounds me every time. Don't people have morals and values anymore? What is wrong with black society???

      sibusiso.mkoko - 2012-10-18 08:09

      One bullet is all it takes. One bullet one b#*@. Baleka!

  • vanzyld - 2012-10-17 10:44

    Totally believable. Life in ZA is not worth a cent.