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Prime minister mooted for SA

2012-11-25 12:05

Johannesburg - Some ANC leaders have suggested that South Africa replace its deputy president position with a prime minister instead, according to a media report on Sunday.

ANC Gauteng chairperson Paul Mashatile, who is also minister of arts and culture, has suggested a prime minister role to ANC leaders in KwaZulu-Natal, City Press reported.

Former president Thabo Mbeki, when he was deputy president in Nelson Mandela's administration, took care of government's day-to-day tasks while Mandela filled a more ceremonial role.

"The president can be head of state, while the prime minister runs government," Mashatile was quoted as saying.

Two vice prime ministers could be added for additional capacity, with one usually responsible for security, and another for international relations.

"That would give us more capacity for government to function, and ministers can then fulfil their Cabinet functions," he said.

His proposal was not a suggestion to take power away from President Jacob Zuma.

Mashatile would need a Constitutional amendment to establish the post of prime minister, the weekly reported.

Comments
  • luther.kingsley.5 - 2012-11-25 12:10

    Any plan other than what we have now sounds good, do what ever it takes to eradicate incompetence, corruption and crime within government.

      fred.murgatroyd - 2012-11-25 12:18

      What about just replacing the presidency with people of integrity and honour, and get rid of the thieving scum.

      moriri.mosweu - 2012-11-25 12:23

      What we want is able people to run this country not to create fancy positions which will cost us more money unnecessarily.The da is threatening to take over because of stupid people like you guys failing to be strategic. Zuma did the same thing you are talking about, he created a string of new positions which are non functional today, instead we are worse off than the previous cabinets. Mandela and Mbeki did it without mocking about because they were able. You guys are failing and accept it before you destroy everything, get off and give those positions to educated individuals, you were given the benefit of a doubt that maybe you might do it when given a chance, now you can see guys that without education things get tougher.Back-off now.

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-25 12:33

      Shows how desperate they are. Easy out for Zuma. Stop him from doing to the country what he did to the daughter of a friend. And they can get the cronies in with the "divisions" in the party papered over. And the pay-off for 2 more cadre. Without having to become presidents....

      squeegee.pilot - 2012-11-25 12:36

      In a normal democracy this would be a good idea; in our kleptocracy it just mean more people in power stealing more from the people...

      johan.vanhoff - 2012-11-25 13:14

      JUST ANOTHER PLOY TO KEEP ZUMA IN POWER. IF HE GOES PLENTY OF HIS CRONIES GO DOWN WITH HIM.

      patrick.buckley.712 - 2012-11-25 13:41

      Maybe we are talking about a: CRIME MINISTER

      ian.flack2 - 2012-11-25 14:36

      Just another way of enriching the cadres before the big bang................

      narike.lintvelt.9 - 2012-11-25 14:46

      I've started a petition supporting SA's opposition parties' motion of no confidence in Pres Zuma. Please take the time to sign and share this. Thank you. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/372/889/450/sa-taxpayers-support-opposition-parties-motion-of-no-confidence-in-president-zuma/

      nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-11-25 14:58

      Got it. The African way of logic - less brains creates more jobs.

  • frankflower - 2012-11-25 12:12

    Why? So that more jobs are created for more people to not do more work?

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-11-25 12:42

      @ingwani you must be talking to a mirror

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-11-25 13:05

      Yes Zuma has too many wives to attend to, and Nkandla is keeping him so busy, now he doesn't have time to run the country. So let's create more positions with big fat salaries to do some actual work. Zuma can just do the odd ceremony every now and then. Or shall I say king Zuma. Rediculous

  • jc.smit - 2012-11-25 12:12

    Zuma would love this... He would just be able to do what he is doing at the moment. With 3 people appointed under him to do his work/anything.

      tim.gordon.5011516 - 2012-11-25 13:24

      I think rather Mashatile is trying to come up with any scheme to get rid of Zuma - except this one is tied to his own ambition to grab power. I wonder if there is anyone with integrity left in the ANC.

      man.zanilla.73 - 2012-11-25 18:44

      The people with integrity tend to be -worked out of- or -leave by own choice- from an organization such as the ABC that got so corrupt that they disgust themselves from time to time.

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-11-25 12:16

    Please stop these fancy chess games,and put someone who can do the bladdy job. At this rate wel end up with staircase of ministers that accend to heaven!

  • sminx.r.mandla - 2012-11-25 12:17

    A good plan but the downside of it all is that the shower-head gets to be president still!! Get rid of that anus then implement that strategy because we need people with competence not the useless cadre deployment rubbish

  • yandisa.mashalaba - 2012-11-25 12:19

    Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely! I believe it still wont make a difference if the Prime Minister is a politically deployed cadre who lacks capacity, vision and accountability, just like some ministers and their deputies, some Premiers and their MECs... This is not yet the time for radical changes. We need to excel in what we have set ourselves to do first. For me a better proposition would be, that the president of the governing party not to avail himself/herself for the presidency of the country. In that way, you have a state president who is accountable to the people that have elected him...and not do as he/she wishes...I

  • JohnDough - 2012-11-25 12:19

    A new title will not stop the rot and corruption. More smoke & mirrors and no progress. A much better idea would be Zuma resigning and we all know that it won't happen.

  • moriri.mosweu - 2012-11-25 12:20

    What we want is able people to run this country not to create fancy positions which will cost us more money unnecessarily.The da is threatening to take over because of stupid people like you guys failing to be strategic. Zuma did the same thing you are talking about, he created a string of new positions which are non functional, instead we are worse off than the previous cabinet. Mandela and Mbeki did it without mocking about because they were able. You guys are failing and accept it before you destroy everything, get off and give that position to someone who is educated, you were given the benefit of a doubt that illiterates might do it when given a chance, now you can see guys that without education things get tougher.Back-off now.

      narike.lintvelt.9 - 2012-11-25 14:47

      I've started a petition supporting SA's opposition parties' motion of no confidence in Pres Zuma. Please take the time to sign and share this. Thank you. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/372/889/450/sa-taxpayers-support-opposition-parties-motion-of-no-confidence-in-president-zuma/

  • warren.carne.9 - 2012-11-25 12:23

    Another means for the govt to waste taxpayers money

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-11-25 12:28

    A PM with two deputies, wow, more jobs for pals.

      sylvia.shaw.7 - 2012-11-26 00:36

      And now they'll need more private jets, more shadow planes, and extra blue light convoys, and so it goes on. The already overburdened taxpayer will be expected to cough up for all of this extra pomp and luxury.

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-11-25 12:28

    You can put kings,queens,prime ministers and all the other fancy names in government,but at the rate corruption and incompetence is being overlooked and ignored,your solutions are six of 1 and half a dozen of the other.

  • ben.nevis.906 - 2012-11-25 12:29

    One would expect to read this type of thing on April 1...

  • michael.kleber.376 - 2012-11-25 12:35

    Its the only way to go if they retain Zuma as president as he doesn't have a clue how to run a country . This will also free him up to pursue his other interests upgrading nkandla and marrying

  • MrDinwiddie - 2012-11-25 12:35

    Publicity stunt. He feels left out from all that's happening around him

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-11-25 12:35

    Cut Zuma's pay by 80%.

      beverly.young3 - 2012-11-25 21:26

      He shouldnt have a salary, it ought to be a position of honour. All the MP's should be on basic salaries :)

  • Mzondi Wakwa Maqina - 2012-11-25 12:37

    Now that they noticed that the public know that Jacob Zuma is incompetent, They want to have a real president and a fake one. Prime minister my ass, they want two presidents and tax payers must pay salaries of two presidents.

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-11-25 14:01

      Your comment is a logical one, but the mere fact that Zuma is most probably going to be re-elected shows that logical thinking is in deperate short supply in the ANC

      narike.lintvelt.9 - 2012-11-25 14:47

      I've started a petition supporting SA's opposition parties' motion of no confidence in Pres Zuma. Please take the time to sign and share this. Thank you. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/372/889/450/sa-taxpayers-support-opposition-parties-motion-of-no-confidence-in-president-zuma/

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-11-25 12:40

    Bad idea.

  • paul.nkunzi - 2012-11-25 12:43

    Wooow,,,,typical of ANC,creating another position.is it not enough?the cabinet was expanded,everyone wants to take part in chowing our Taxes...I guess zuma owes a lot of people favours!

  • Thabo Dijoe - 2012-11-25 12:45

    I totally disagree, already we have a huge cabinet with useless portfolios and malfunctioning ministers. we must get rid of zuma and put people on performance-based contracts. klaar!

      narike.lintvelt.9 - 2012-11-25 14:47

      I've started a petition supporting SA's opposition parties' motion of no confidence in Pres Zuma. Please take the time to sign and share this. Thank you. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/372/889/450/sa-taxpayers-support-opposition-parties-motion-of-no-confidence-in-president-zuma/

  • hendrik.bruwer.3 - 2012-11-25 12:48

    Actually, a pretty neat idea since it's a foregone conclusion that Zuma will be re-elected. It's a damage control policy and would prevent further embarrassment for the ANC and also for the country. However, it doesn't really solve much. You still got the clown.

  • daniel.w.gie - 2012-11-25 12:55

    another salary for who ....?

  • lorna.sisusa - 2012-11-25 12:59

    Moronic opinion by the minister.. ok,As i understand South Africa is using Presidential systems which means by introducing Prime minister the whole power which is vested into the executive has to change and also the proportional representation that we are using has to change. So many African countries have that system but we are still yet to witness development. Adding coaches to the gravy train, more burdens for the taxpayer to shoulder...

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-11-25 13:04

    Oh heavens! A president and a prime minister. Another expensive house on the cards?.

      Grannatjie - 2012-11-25 14:54

      When you start adding two vice prime ministers and their entourages, then this could become very expensive.

  • hendrik.wilmot - 2012-11-25 13:14

    Sounds to me like just another way of creating more opportunities for more corruption!!

  • Luba Mayekiso - 2012-11-25 13:14

    The real question is how are larger countries than our functioning with smaller cabinets, never mind two deputies or prime ministers. this can only add to the size and expense of cabinet as the office will require support. This idea of a President and Prime Minister seems to work in Israel but has been a nightmare for the Russian population as the likes of Putin prolong the life on top by switching between these positions much to the dismay of the population. Implement effective performance management on the existing lot!

  • martin.pearce.3762 - 2012-11-25 13:26

    The gravy boat grows, sucks up more taxes and gives us a President to do 'Ceremonial' duties? One who stands about doing nothing for a large salary. Why not just get a life sized cardboard that won't earn a salary?

  • beverly.young3 - 2012-11-25 13:31

    Oh bloody hell! Next thing we will have a king of South Africa, with even bigger demands than now............isnt this a step backwards?

  • izak.furstenberg - 2012-11-25 13:43

    So South Africa then becomes a monarchy?

      anthony.richardson.961 - 2012-11-25 15:47

      No, a monarchy is headed by a monarch, king or queen. SA is an idiotcracy!

  • spikes.joubert - 2012-11-25 13:52

    More bloating on the gravy training

      sylvia.shaw.7 - 2012-11-26 00:34

      So now we'll need more private jets, more shadow planes, and extra blue light convoys, and so it goes on. The taxpayer will pay for all of this extra pomp and luxury.

  • altus.kirsten - 2012-11-25 15:07

    The cabinet has increase under Zuma by 30% and they are more useless than ever. Now Zuma wants to retire at Nkandla on tax payers money and not do his job. How useless can one be? Loodpil asb.

  • gazaspells - 2012-11-25 15:19

    what we need is not different names to the hats but different people to wear the hats. look at what changing the saps from service to force has done, it has resulted in a marikana

  • siliziwem - 2012-11-25 15:23

    There is already a super minister in Trevor Manuel!

  • braamc - 2012-11-25 15:26

    Call it all you want, the filthy thieving rubbish has no capabilities besides theft and corruption.

  • Simthembile Zembe - 2012-11-25 15:34

    Whatever idea/plan they come up with will not be trusted because of their corrupt minds. Maybe a its good idea but because of chronic corruption within the ANC cadres, its unreliable. Secondly, if they add more staff, social loafing will occur. We can't make quantam changes because of one person who does not want to resign and give way for more competent people.

  • Gary.desousa7 - 2012-11-25 15:41

    Oh oh, Start adding the numbers folks: A new house/compound for him 100 staff for him A new jet for him How many wives and cattle? A few cars for them all Overseas visits nkandla will be shabby in comparison.

      beverly.young3 - 2012-11-25 21:28

      And wives ne?

      Sally Lewitt - 2012-11-25 23:16

      your are giving me nightmares, we have enough of those already.

  • jacques.vandermerwe.965 - 2012-11-25 16:51

    What....To create another pilfering fat cat????

  • piero.mendace.5 - 2012-11-25 17:14

    Of course another fat cat, God forbid we just kick him to the curb, lets give him a R250 million pallace for his lack of honesty, lack of leadership, lack of sense of responsibility, lack of vision and ultimately lack of ability. Lets knight the man!

  • alwyn.vantonder - 2012-11-25 17:32

    The ANC can do whatever they want.. The ANC trash is going down! It's wonderful to watch them squirm to save themselves..

  • robert.doyle.712 - 2012-11-25 18:33

    ZUMA= IN POWER FOREVER...............ARFICA

      Sally Lewitt - 2012-11-25 23:14

      learn to spell 1st

      dave.hardman - 2012-11-26 06:12

      Shame. Bless you

  • nick.sailer - 2012-11-25 20:26

    NO NO NO. It's getting very crowded at the top. More costs for the tax payer to fund (imagine not 1 Nkandla but three). Of course it is also a clear indication that even those pro-zuma sicophants within the ANC are aware that he is totally bloody useless. What is their fascination with him? How can we as a country get rid of him? VOTE DA (or at least not ANC) - bunch of incompetent, greedy, thieving twits.

  • rory.n.price - 2012-11-25 22:04

    Can't afford it, how much will his house cost, Airforce 1 and 2, 10 wives between them,

  • sylvia.shaw.7 - 2012-11-26 00:33

    So now we'll need more private jets, more shadow planes, and extra blue light convoys, and so it goes on. The taxpayer will pay for all of this extra pomp and luxury.

  • biltong.eldest - 2012-11-26 04:05

    Making more seats on the Gravy Train?

  • Beckie Knight - 2012-11-26 05:56

    WE NEED LEASERS WITH INTEGRITY, LEADERS WHO ARE TRUSTWORTHY, LEADERS WHO DO NOT LIE AND CHEAT, LEADERS WHO ARE HONEST AND OPEN, LEADERS WHO TRULY CARE FOR THE PEOPLE. WE NEED LEADERS WITH HIGH MORAL VALUES ETC ETC Does anyone know of such a person? Call them whatever you like, President, Deputy President or Prime Minister; if they don't have the qualities described above - they WILL fail!! Sorry :(

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