Miners' lawyers: Pro-Malema group to pay

2012-08-20 22:30

Pretoria - Marikana residents will lay murder charges against the police officers who shot dead Lonmin miners, former ANC Youth League spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said on Monday.

He said Friends of the Youth League, an organisation aligned to former African National Congress Youth League president Julius Malema, would pay for the legal representation for the 260 miners accused of public violence.

"The community has given us a clear mandate that these people who were arrested have proper legal representation. We have done that," said Shivambu.

"The community is irritated. They are very angry. People are dismayed by what happened."

The organisation, residents and survivors of Thursday's violent protest would open the case at the Marikana police station.

"The people do not understand how the government sent police to go and kill them. You can't kill a person and not be held accountable.

"The people who killed these people should be arrested. They must prove in court if the killing was in self defence. It should not be assumed," Shivambu said after Monday's appearance, in the Ga-Rankuwa Magistrate's Court, of the 260 mineworkers, in groups of about 40.

He had been at the court since morning, singing and dancing with several women protesting outside. The women were demanding the release of their husbands, brothers, and fathers.

The court denied bail to all 260 Lonmin workers on Monday. All but one of them, who was in hospital, would be held at various police stations.

Magistrate Esau Bodigelo postponed the case to 27 August for further investigation.

The miners were arrested on charges of public violence during violent protests at Lonmin's platinum mine in Marikana, North West, on Thursday.

Prosecutor Bafana Tlangwane asked for a seven-day postponement. He told the court the ongoing investigations were wide and complex.

The postponement would allow the State to unravel what had happened at the mine. Additional charges could be brought later. Tlangwane said the investigation would be complicated by the fact that some of the miners were immigrants.

For someone to be released on bail, their home address had to be verified by the State, Tlangwane said.

In response, defence lawyer Andries Kome argued the rights of the mineworkers had been infringed, as any arrested person was supposed to be brought to court within 48 hours.

Kome said where one slept after work could be regarded as home, so the mineworkers had verifiable addresses.

Bodigelo agreed the workers' accommodation near the mines could be verified as their homes. This applied to all 260 workers.

Shivambu described the bail decision as unfair.

"It's not fair. These people should have been allowed to go and bury their colleagues," he said.

Court proceedings were translated into several languages, including Shangaan, Zulu, Tshwana, and Shona, the main language spoken in Zimbabwe.

  • - 2012-08-20 23:04

    I just wish we can have elections tomorrow, sies ANC

  • joe.peters.56 - 2012-08-20 23:15

    Vote DA

      liana.loots - 2012-08-20 23:34

      commercial break.....hehe

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-08-21 00:37

      Down with the ANC

  • kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-08-20 23:23

    Where did the Friends of the Youth League get the money since they are all unemployed ex members of the ANCYL. I hope it is not from one of the capitalists with money invested in mining, like Tokyo.

      Claudia_Meads - 2012-08-21 11:20

      In the end, it is all funded by the South African taxpayer, even if it has to be stolen...

  • ryandeansa - 2012-08-20 23:28

    news24 really has to stop giving this guy free articles. its just giving him momentum so he can swoop in, whip the crowd into a frenzy, and promote his brand. his antagonising "revolutionist" mindset is the kinda stuff that got the strikers killed in the first place. a peaceful strike wouldve gone on without incident and zero deaths

  • zwartsj - 2012-08-20 23:35

    Shivambu nail on the head there " You can't kill a person and not be held accountable" they should lock the thugs who shot at police up. Then again since most of them are not from SA they should be dropped of at the border so uncle bob can look after them no need to waste SA tax money in feeding them.

  • motho.batho.98 - 2012-08-21 00:01

    Why politiking now?

  • TawwaTienie - 2012-08-21 00:06

    So gedink. Wie sit agter die beplande moorde.

  • lownabester - 2012-08-21 00:26

    Fat boy who is going to pay for your house, trying very hard to score so points. Idiots are with us every bloody day.

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-08-21 04:36

    And you wonder who the community of Marikana will vote for come election time...

  • tshepo.batista - 2012-08-21 05:03

    Lets hpe it wil be fyn 4 u guys i personally understand y u wre striking u derseve better 4 hard working in de lonmin Platinum Mine.

  • Adam Ngobeni - 2012-08-21 06:18

    i understand that 3something lives has been lost but my main concern is why not even a single politician mentioning the lives of those who were killed while performing official duties, the miners were a mob and i very much doubt that the two police officials and security officials proved the mob by any means, the miners made a statement using those innocent officials whom were on official capacity to maintain peace,downing tools was a strike itself but killing officers? was it part of the increase they required,if the TRT was brutal why didnt they just kill them all! i say they did well to control the situation, i salute the all the member in blue that acted when needed, you may lay charges on them but the bottom line is they were acting on official capacity same goes for the murdered ones!!!

  • Tiaan Liebenberg - 2012-08-21 06:22

    Watch out - juju and floyd going to be new union bosses. Has always been about the workers, never the youth. They are setting themselves up to overthrow tri-alliance

  • breinlekkasie.dodelikegif - 2012-08-21 06:31

    That is right, let's not fight crime let's support it. Who knows a future South African president might be among the 250 miners.

  • Dylan Dillboy Allison - 2012-08-21 06:42

    I wanna start a petition to boycott the news such as News24 who clearly find it more news worthy to provide space for BS articles on ex wannabe politicians who could not organize a piss up in a brewery... Have no respect for law, justice and believe the only way to get results is to incite toyi toyi action and call to arms... Think this rag tag media house is clearly also 'a friend of youth league'... Another capitalist freebie for the wannabe communists!

  • hendrick.mokwale - 2012-08-21 06:49

    Hopefuly,Frnds of Juju r not expectin a political favour in return of their legal costs,its a good thing2protect the rights of the long its not done out of prebendalism.\r\nBlesd is the hand tht giveth.

  • hendrick.mokwale - 2012-08-21 06:50

    Hopefuly,Frnds of Juju r not expectin a political favour in return of their legal costs,its a good thing2protect the rights of the long its not done out of prebendalism.\r\nBlesd is the hand tht giveth.

  • frik.groenewald - 2012-08-21 07:00

    How can anyone call it murder, when the police was charged with weapons in hand??? How can you call it a peaceful protest when just about everyone was armed to the teeth? How can you call it a peaceful protest, when two police officers were hacked to death with pangas, and other workers also killed? Peaceful protest: 1) Follow the legal route and get permission 2) Leave ALL weapons at home 3) Don't kill other people 4) Don't burn down buildings I put it to you, if these simple steps were taken, NO ONE would have died.

      bernard.herbert.9 - 2012-08-21 07:44

      Effing A frik, you are absolutely right... ANYONE who brings weapons to a "peaceful" demonstration has CRIMINAL intent in their hearts... PERIOD!

  • Nicki.Labuschagne - 2012-08-21 07:09

    I wonder how many of these miners are even SA citizens?

      phillippusrudolph.smith - 2012-08-21 12:12

      That is an excellent question Nicki, as most miners in South Africa are expatriat workers from Mozambique, Lesotho and Zimbabwe. South Africans of all colours and creeds do not have the same rights to strike when working in neighbouring countries. Half of South Africa's problems lie with legal and illegal migrant workers that would not dare to do what they are getting away with in South Africa

  • charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-08-21 07:15

    Wtf! Who is going to be held accountable for the 10 people that was killed before the police opened up, go and lay a charge at the police for that as well

  • peter.kreuger.7 - 2012-08-21 07:17

    doos, if you come after me with a panga, I will also shoot you!

  • pumla.ngobese - 2012-08-21 07:20

    What about the security guards and the mine workers who were killed by the striking miners. Where is justice for them? Seems like the whole nation has even forgotten about them.

  • peterthabo.mahlatji - 2012-08-21 07:28

    Shivambu! From a great thinker to a mediocre idiot! POLICE OFFICERS were killed in the line of duty by lawlessness individuals! Striking is a right but hooliganism has never and will never be a constitutional right! Let the law play its part FORMER COMRADE!

  • sintjohn.witbooi - 2012-08-21 07:32

    Those who incited the miners to advance on a heavily armed police force should be tried for murder.

  • bernard.herbert.9 - 2012-08-21 07:41

    Home run Malema... you have set yourself up as the hero nicely... leads me to only 1 conclusion as to who incited the violence. ANCYL sheep, look how Malema uses you as pawns to advance his political objectives

  • bernard.herbert.9 - 2012-08-21 07:41

    PS: are your maids wages up to date still?

  • - 2012-08-21 07:46

    It seems when these mineworkers go on strike they seem to think they are suddenly above the law and do as they want.They can kill and destroy and its fine but heaven help anybody who harms them.It's scary and crazy!!!!!

  • elizabeth.bothma.58 - 2012-08-21 07:54

    So the fact that these workers were on an ILLEGAL strike, (breaking the law) and carrying weapons, had killed two cops with pangas!!!! were quite alright! It just amazes me the thought pattern here! AND what the heck does it have to do with Malema and Shivambu?? No more part of the Government. They are just inflaming a very volatile and tragic situation. If they were so concerned, why did they not step in before the 'paw-paw' hit the fan. It is exactly because of people like them that we have this culture in our country of violence.

  • pieter.vanard - 2012-08-21 07:56

    What about the four Police men who where killed a few days earlier. And their families.Do these people go with the criminals ?

  • ndivhoniswani.tshirema - 2012-08-21 08:20

    is not even fair if u know how much the mine save R2.6bn every months to pay salary of R12500 i dnt thint the mine will see the difference those people living in the sharks but the are working mine selfish managers.

  • ringetadaniel.mashimbye - 2012-08-21 08:27

    The strike has been organised by MALEMA AND FLOYD.

      naude.andrea - 2012-08-21 08:37

      I agree and won't be surprised. BUT WHERE IS THE SANGOMA NOW?

  • phillip.phogole - 2012-08-21 09:13

    Those police must also be arrested and tell the police why they shoot,if they were defending themself they must tell the judge

  • mart.botha - 2012-08-21 09:53

    May I suggest they get payment in advance.......ANCYL has a reputation of being poor at paying their dues.

  • adri.oosthuizen - 2012-08-21 11:27

    And what should happen to the people who burned the two security guards alive???? – what would you have done, defend yourself like the police did or stand still and wait for them to come kill you, because I can assure you they would not think twice about it, why point fingers to the police, – was it the police officers who got violent first or the miners, who butchered to police officers the WEEK BEFORE? – What should happen to them you think? –

  • Michael - 2012-08-21 11:59

    Friends of the youth league is dengerous for South Africa, this guys are trying to advocated uprising in our country, they must be stopped as soon as posible.

  • innocent.hapazari - 2012-08-21 17:00

    At least Malema & Shivambu are really doing something worthwhile. Big-up to these gentlemen!! Murder is murder; it doesnt matter on whose name it is committed. If 'the present ANC' decides to be so blatently anti-people we can not be expected to continue following it and proclaim so, simply because it continues to called itself ANC. This is certainly not the 'ANC' we know and want. We don't even have to mention this 'NUM' animal. NUM is now an outright 'hyena', assuming it has ever been a sheep anyway. Workers across SA simply have to wake up to this reality.

  • ernest.lwandle - 2012-08-21 21:13

    can somebody tell me who are those friends of the youth league.wher did they get the money from

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