Probe into police van which hit cyclists

2012-01-03 09:23

Johannesburg - A case of culpable homicide is being investigated after a police van hit and killed two cyclists, according to a report on Tuesday.

Beeld newspaper identified the cyclists, who were on a tandem bicycle, as Hendry Raats, 53, a manager at Sasol, and Thereza Kruger, 48, an accountant. Both were from Alberton, south of Johannesburg.

Police spokesperson Warrant Officer Happy Nape said the police van was from the Kliprivier police station. Its station commander, Superintendent Eddie Bennett, said: "We are investigating a case of culpable homicide."

The accident happened on the R550 in Kliprivier on Monday.

Kruger is survived by her husband and three children, aged 28, 25 and 17, while Raats, who is divorced, is survived by two sons in their 20s.

  • Ian - 2012-01-03 09:25

    police dronkies, get help man, get off the bottle

      Ian - 2012-01-03 09:50

      to the person who game me a thumbs down, so you are saying its ok for police to drive pissed out of there minds as clearly this is the case here, how the hell do you not see a tandem bike or was there vision impaired, which is it impaired or pissed or both

      Mike - 2012-01-03 10:02

      Ian, I take it from your comment that you are privy to FACTS concerning the use of alcohol and driving in this particular matter. Is this now a matter of record or are you guessing as to a possible cause of this accident ?

      Betweenuandme - 2012-01-03 10:04

      Ian, what evidence of this do you have? We heard yesterday there was also a Golf involved ... let's wait for all the facts to emerge before you make accusations...

      Tgif - 2012-01-03 10:05

      IQ Impaired

      Piet - 2012-01-03 10:19

      Thumbs down from babbelaas cops???????? Or just ignorants that has nothing to say.....

      Sharkshoot - 2012-01-03 10:54

      The thumbs down will no doubt be from the liberals (re. the two wiseguys that police the comments) and trolls. Everyone and their blind dog knows the cops are the bane of our existence these days.

      Betweenuandme - 2012-01-03 11:15

      @Ian: Yesterday a relative of the deceased posted this on TheHubSA: "...vw golf went past them with a speed which pulled them a bit in the road because of the force of the wind. A police van came from behind them and hit them." It's possible this was an accident ... so, like I said above, wait for the results of the investigation before you make wild accusations and think you know exactly what happened by reading an article on News24.

      Beetroot - 2012-01-03 11:21

      Ian I am not saying you are right but I certainly get fuming when the likes of the thumb downers seem to actually try and justify the killing of two innocent cyclists. What reasons can we exam to say why they were killed. Speeding? Reckless driving? Drunk driving? Incompetent driving? It sure was not a simple nudge by the police vehicle. These cyclists were driven through at high speed. To all the bunny huggers out there who seem to want to protect the police! Get a life. The standards are to blame! The standards imposed by the ANC governance... or lack thereof! Instead of training, rather spend R400 million on pap and Moet!

      Mike - 2012-01-03 13:05

      Ian, my original comment simply needed to alert you to your probably unsubstantiated assumption that alcohol was involved as a causative factor in the SAPS vehicle impacting with the cyclists. It may be .... but maybe not. Please note that I'm not in any way defending any party involved in this accident, but it's unwise for you to make such assumptions unless evidence points to this facts. The collision itself does not necessarily do so. Can you categorically state that no other contributing factor(s)existed just prior to this unfortunate accident ? Reckless & negligent driving may prove to be the only factors leading to the death of these riders. The courts will decide this based on the evidence presented before it. Oh, and before you link me to any political parties' anatomy component, please think rationally before you post your comments. If you consider the substance of all the comments against yours, I think you'll get the drift. Thanks, I'm having a great day.

      Hadassah57 - 2012-01-03 16:18

      and definitely off the road... wonder if the driver even had a legitimate drivers licence!!!

  • Willie - 2012-01-03 09:35

    High level investigation by competent people not their cronies and lazy police

      Daniel - 2012-01-03 10:09

      We were led to believe recently that situations of this nature would carry a charge of murder, not cupable homicide, or is this just for ordinary citizens ?

      Squeegee - 2012-01-03 11:00

      No, the police will do it themselves...

      Bert - 2012-01-03 11:02

      daniel, you got it, just for ordinary citizens. Welcome to a fastly deteriorating country. If Uncle Bob was younger, he'd probably be thinking of an invasion! :)

      Sharon - 2012-01-03 16:05

      the cops will lie their way out of this one just as they do with all their wrong-doings,the majority of them are unemployable in the private sector

  • tyronlouw - 2012-01-03 09:39

    Isnt it mean to be: Probe into police van THAT hit cyclists, not WHICH?

      paulmandlankosi - 2012-01-03 09:57

      You are spot on

  • Bardy - 2012-01-03 09:40

    How did these police officers get their licenses and how can you not see a tandem bike?

      Sharkshoot - 2012-01-03 10:59

      I worked in the Plod Service years ago and even in those days the vast majority of police officers were not required to have a drivers license. There is not even a mandatory adavanced drivers course for officers...unlike other Police Forces across the world.

      Squeegee - 2012-01-03 11:02

      How do you not see a truck on the highway, or an oncoming train? Accidents happen every day because people look but dont see.

      Rob - 2012-01-03 11:24

      SHarkshoot: Are you saying that it is commonplace for police to drive without licenses?

      Sharkshoot - 2012-01-03 16:43

      Not commonplace but it is easy to get a license if you know the right people.

  • Rod - 2012-01-03 09:45

    To serve and protect ????

      Ian - 2012-01-03 09:52

      naaa thats only in LA and NYC on blue and whites police vehicles, here its more like reject and harrass

      Willie - 2012-01-03 11:02

      To serve and protect and bully citizens and take bribes with pride

  • Larry - 2012-01-03 09:53

    Police hit Bicycles and kill the riders. Police responsible and guilty, end of story. Arrest them as would have happened to an ordinary motorist. No Probe, just Court and Sentence. As Selebi was fond of saying, "Finish and Klaar."

  • Sharon - 2012-01-03 10:03

    Death Sentence ....that is the only way to do things in this day and age, people dont respect life, so take their life.

      Betweenuandme - 2012-01-03 10:22

      Yikes Shanna ... what if this proves to be an ACCIDENT (which can happen so quickly and easily - to anyone) ... the death sentence is a bit harsh at this stage.

      Rob - 2012-01-03 11:28

      Betweenuandme: Accident!!!! No such thing. This is an incident. It has a cause that can always be traced back to a failure. A failure that is due to a persons actions or neglect. Do stop with the 'accident story', what is needed is accountability not accomodation of human stupidity or recklessness. So, maybe you do not give me an example of an accidental cause for this incident.

      Betweenuandme - 2012-01-03 11:46

      @Rob: See my comments towards the top of the page under Ian's comments. There could (and I'm not stating this as a fact) be other circumstances to this story that prove it to be an accident. So let's watch this space to find out ALL the details before we jump up and down and ask for the death penalty!!

      Rob - 2012-01-03 12:17

      Betweenuandme: Other circumstances may well uncover different causes of the incident. Maybe point to other individuals being responsible. But cannot make it an accident. The whole accident mentality is a phsychological cop-out.

  • swonas - 2012-01-03 10:05

    most police cars on the road are NOT road worthy, and have dents all over, yet they are new, that says so much about the kind of drivers of these cars, question: are our police officers good drivers?

      Squeegee - 2012-01-03 11:04

      What are you smoking? Dents don't make a vehicle unroadworthy, Dweeb.

      Bert - 2012-01-03 11:04

      depends how you rate them, as police drivers or taxi drivers!

      swonas - 2012-01-03 11:50

      @Squeegee, I am not here to teach gramma, if you check on my sentence, the stament; NOT roadworthy is followed by a coma(,) then what ever it is said after that sentence, though it might be linked to the sentence, may not be connected to it! and another thing that you need to notice is that the sentence after that, starts with (and)which means it adds to what was said in the 1st sentence! please read with comprehension, though you are a police officer, dont use your heart!

      Squeegee - 2012-01-03 11:56

      Swona, you clearly cannot teach spelling either. On what do you base the statement that most police cars are unroadworthy? Which province do you live in, Limpopo?

  • Hein - 2012-01-03 10:08

    About 3 years ago we (5 of us) were also hit by a Police van. We were participating in an organized event where 100's of cyclist participating! The excuse by the officer was that he did not see us, what a joke. We went to court for a charge of Negligent driving, the end result...the police officer got away because of a lack of evidence. What did we expect, a police officer investigating a police officer, we had no change of seeing justice prevail, the same will most probably happen here, very sad. Hein

      Jason - 2012-01-03 10:21

      I think it's safe to expect the same result to this "investigation"...

  • Willie - 2012-01-03 10:11

    "....A case of culpable homicide is being investigated ..." NO a case of murder

      Peter - 2012-01-03 10:53

      Willie you should know by now nothing will happen to these cops they never get charged, its their world out there just look at what is running this country and you can see the answer to what is about to happen. NOTHING ///

  • rbphiri - 2012-01-03 10:18

    Once again the SAPS house of cards comes crashing down. Officials say they are investigating a case of culpable homicide, how about adding negligent driving into the fatal twist, my gut tells me alcohol is involved.

      Betweenuandme - 2012-01-03 10:28

      Doesn't negligent driving fall under the culpable homicide charge?

  • PaasHaas - 2012-01-03 10:27

    In terms of the law, every accidental death has to be investigated, so there's nothing new here - whether the cops like it or not there has to be a probe, the BIG question is, will it be done by competent people looking for the truth or will it be another file on the pile?

  • Fenderbender - 2012-01-03 10:33

    What would their reaction have been if it was a civilian and not a 'public servant' - I apologize for the oxymoron

  • Willem - 2012-01-03 10:44

    I was just wandering why it is culpable homicide and not murder as our minister of transport is so fond of insisting on? Or is it just applicable if someone from the public kills someone with a vehicle? Just wandering.

      John - 2012-01-03 12:44

      Wandering??? Wondering, surely

  • Shirley - 2012-01-03 10:55

    Once again "blue light" @sses who think the rules of the road dont apply to them!!!! Cant wait to hear their pathetic excuses!

      Squeegee - 2012-01-03 11:07

      Shirley, my dear, the "blue light" asses as you call them actually refer to politicians in convoys using blue light to get through traffic and speed in the process, not to the police. The rest of your statement holds water though.

  • Gerda - 2012-01-03 11:00

    I hope and presume that the investigation is not being done at the same policestation as where the driver is stationed? They might botch the investigation to benefit the driver.

  • Mart - 2012-01-03 11:03

    If anticipation, cognition and appreciation for consequences for actions were abilities tested before a driving licence were issued, 85% of the drivers on our roads would not have valid drivers licences. I also believe it is overdue that cyclists who use public roads be forced to 'licence' their bicycles as they generally increase the accident risk through the nature of their endevours.

      Tamara Anne Wittstock - 2012-01-03 13:01

      Most cyclists are licenced, they also abide by the rules of the road and have just as much right to be on the road as a car. If more motorists were to be more considerate to cyclists we wouldn't be hearing about serious riders being killed. So many motorists think cyclists are a joke, spraying them with water, cutting them off and so on. I challenge a motorist to get on a bike and try contend with what cyclists have to on a daily basis

      Andre - 2012-01-03 15:29

      When I cycling on the road and adhering to the traffic rules, I am not increasing the risks. The drivers who overtake head-on into us or hit us from behind are generally the ones not driving within the law or appropriately to the conditions on the road at that time.

  • jacques.loots1 - 2012-01-03 11:17

    Unfortunately, I am loosing all my respect for the SA police. They are raping woman and children, killing innocent people, driving like morons and they think they rule the country... This is really sad...

  • cupcake - 2012-01-03 11:34

    this is so sad and so unnecessary... my regards to the families.

  • Erna - 2012-01-03 12:06

    It was only the Police van involve in the MURDER. It is not homucide it was just plain 2 x Murder

  • Grant - 2012-01-03 12:29

    Nothing will come of the police probe - trust me. In Britain they have an independant body to investigate, we don't.

  • Pete - 2012-01-03 12:35

    the driver was either on his cell phone or eating kfc

  • Charmain - 2012-01-03 12:37

    what will happen to the cops nothing as normal maybe they need to go and have an eye test.

  • Shirley - 2012-01-03 12:49

    Squeegee: The blue light was said tongue in cheek hence the inverted commas. The reason is they think that they are also able to drive anyway they wish,often usung their BLUE lights just for show to move through traffic!

  • Eish - 2012-01-03 13:39

    Rumours has it that some of them got their license illegitimate without even driving let alone going to driving school, if that is true we will see more of these similar cases. SAPS please get your house in order.

  • eon.engelbrecht - 2012-01-03 14:14

    I have one question- is the policeman going to jail?

  • JennaN - 2012-01-03 14:18

    Some of these cyclist dont have any respect for motorists... i was driving a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 teenagers on their bikes. Indication light was on and i had right of way, just as i was about to turn these kids came flying past me... i nearly knocked them down.. then they have the audacity to scream, shout and swear as if it was my fault.... cyclist should not be on the road... its for CARS!!! There should be a seperate "road" sypaadjie for them...

      phumlani.mbatha - 2012-01-03 14:30

      i think cyclists are allowed to be on the road, it is just that we all need to be careful, tolerant and use the roads responsibly.

      Heiku - 2012-01-03 15:19

      +1 for the sypaadjie idea. That's such an awesome word "sypaadjie"

      Andre - 2012-01-03 15:27

      Dear JennaN. The roads are for cyclists and pedestrians too. You clearly do not understand the laws that govern road usage in this country. Generalising against all cyclists because of the behaviour of a few is ridiculous. There are many motorists that do not understand the rules of the road or practice adequate caution (common sense) and endanger our lives daily when we are out there cycling and riding correctly according to the law. Your comment after the trgic death of two cyclists is not even in context to the situation. It issimply in poor taste. Makes me wonder how competent a driver you are if you do not understand the laws governing road usage.

      Tamara Anne Wittstock - 2012-01-05 04:32

      Do not confuse teenagers and cyclists, there's a big difference. Now in my opinion CARS should make way for cyclists, its far healthier to cycle, its better for the environment and wow, its exercise! Now I'm guessing that that's something you don't do very often. I challenge you to try it sometime

  • phumlani.mbatha - 2012-01-03 14:28

    i may not understand the cause of the accident. but truly speaking, some police officer really drive recklessly on the roads, and i have always wondered if they are exempted from obeying the rules. i would expect a police van to be involved in an accident.

  • Gavin - 2012-01-03 14:57

    Murder = killing with malice ie planned and intentional. Manslaughter = unlawful killing without malice or premeditation. Culpable homicide = killing as the result of improper conduct/reckless behaviour. HOWEVER, these are broad definitions and their interpretation will vary from country to country

  • matome.matlakala1 - 2012-01-03 19:08

    i think this police must face the hand of law same as jub jub who kill two school children

  • dgrimett - 2012-01-03 19:45

    WHEN are cyclists / motorcyclists going to learn to wear Hi Vis reflective clothing. instead of dark clothing ?????

      Tamara Anne Wittstock - 2012-01-05 04:23

      When are motorists going open their eyes and see them?? They DO wear reflective clothing! But now its the cyclists fault that some morons can't be bothered to look around them for once in their pathetic little lives! Your comment honestly makes me sick! You didn't know these people, you weren't there when the cops decided to mow them down, think before you make a comment like this

  • Paul - 2012-01-03 23:13

    This is sick - I just lost a fellow colleague and cyclist. I had a run in with the SAPS from vanderbiljpark some weeks back. The SAPS van driver was not happy with having to overtake us in the right hand lane. What a ponce. I had to explain in delicious English that we too are road users, and therefore are subject to the same luxury of overtaking as other vehicles. He was obviously not happy with the comment as he purposely drove in front of our tandem later on in the route. Today I witnessed a SAPS vehicle overtaking cyclists which were already being overtaken by another vehicle. Please can SAPS re-train their retarded staff that killing people with a vehicle is murder and not retaliation for some personal issues in life

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