Proposed smoking law threatens rights

2012-06-28 15:56

Johannesburg - Proposed legislation which would effectively criminalise smoking outside one's home threatens individual rights, the Free Market Foundation (FMF) said on Thursday.

"We should not lose perspective on the question of how restrictive a society we want to create," said executive director Leon Louw in a statement.

"How far do we want to allow government to trespass on our constitutional rights and reduce individual autonomy, especially to the extent of controlling what can be perceived as self-destructive behaviour?"

Louw said the department of health’s proposed new laws, in the Tobacco Products Control Act, would "infringe disproportionately" on the rights of individuals and private property owners.

The regulations would criminalise smoking in any building, outdoor venue, public or private beach, outdoor drinking or eating area, park, walkway, parking area, or within 10m of any doorway or window.

This would render the provisions businesses had made to accommodate the present smoking laws obsolete.

"Of concern to the FMF is the impact of the regulations on businesses, especially within the hospitality industry, incorporating restaurants, bars, nightclubs and casinos," Louw said.

Even establishments catering exclusively to smokers would be banned and put out of business.

The deadline for comment on the proposed legislation is Friday.

Louw said the laws would conflict with the constitutionally enshrined rights to dignity, privacy and freedom of association, which were integral to South Africa's democratic "open society, based on human dignity and freedom".

The FMF was also concerned the wording of the act was "too vague" to be enforceable.

For example, "the draft regulation that prohibits smoking on public bathing beaches within 50m from the closest person ‘near’ the demarcated swimming area, is too uncertain," Louw said.

"How can we allow laws that will undoubtedly harm our country’s economy by putting people out of business and make our unemployment situation even worse?"

Anyone convicted of puffing in a no-smoking zone would be liable to a R500 fine, while a person in control of an indoor public place where illicit smoking occurred could get a fine of up to R100 000.

  • cape.gtown.1 - 2012-06-28 16:05

    What about the rights of a non-smoker? The worst is when you have smokers walking in front of you puffing away while blowing their 2nd hand smoke in your face. If you must smoke, do it in the confines of your own home.

      altusvanzyl - 2012-06-28 16:18


      Omrisho - 2012-06-28 16:19

      don't walk behind them then, simple really, you do have a choice

      Bardy - 2012-06-28 16:20

      Why don't you just walk diagonally behind the smoker? If you walk directly behind him you are sure to get second hand smoke poephol...

      donald - 2012-06-28 16:23

      and i find it more offensive to swerve for joggers and freaks on bycles can we ban them as well

      john.loveland.9 - 2012-06-28 16:25

      As a non-smoker, its very seldom that you are affected by second hand smoke today. I certainly don't wish to live in a police state where your every actions are legislated. Next you'll be prohibited from drinking in a restaurant or pub...

      tuco.angeleyes - 2012-06-28 16:26

      I'd like to see how this will be enforced. Looks like just another way to keep the public off the ball and focus on trivial crap. I never seen anyone choke and die from second hand smoke. If anything smoking has gone on the increase. I know coz a friend of mine who works for BAT got an even bigger performance bonus than last year. go figure And yes you do have a choice to either ask the smoker in front of you to put it out, or not walk behind them.

      John - 2012-06-28 16:26

      I am an ex-smoker and quite frankly government should worry more about trying to enforce the current laws before imposing even more ludicrous unenforceable laws. I don't think there should be smoking in any public indoor area. I smoked in the UK and it really wasn't a hassle to pop outside to have a smoke (even at -5 degrees). This smoking 10m away from a door or window is just retarded, do police carry tape measures these days. Smokers and non-smokers will always need to tolerate each other in society until cigarettes are banned so let's just come to a reasonable compromise.

      Dave - 2012-06-28 16:39

      Yet criminals can walk around in parliament ????

      fussed.anderson - 2012-06-28 16:43

      What next, when will we be allowed to have sex, go to the toilet, fart sleep and wake up, FU@#EN ARSEHO@#LS

      Bulls - 2012-06-28 16:44

      No more drugs for bardy, you are abusing his rights now. bardy, sit jou swine.

      scouter.fourone - 2012-06-28 17:17

      Can't wait to see what effect this will have on attracting overseas tourists - not even they have to put up with somthing as mindless as this suggestion.

      steve.foord.39 - 2012-06-28 18:30


      Sharon - 2012-06-28 19:53

      @ capegtown - do you also sniff in their farts while you are walking behind them

      Beckie Knight - 2012-06-29 06:52

      Altus: Non-smokers have more RIGHTS than anyone I know. Nicotine addicts have a serious problem! You think WE ENJOY smoking? We KNOW it's bad. What I'm saying is, if there's a place for ALL SORTS of addictions, let the commission come up with something for nicotine addicts. It is a TERRIBLE addiction - worse than hardcore drugs, altus. So, if you have to endure a TEENY bit of smoke from someone WALKING in front of you - unless you can change wind direction, please, DEAL with it!

      Klippies - 2012-06-29 11:11

      I'm not a smoker and I hate second hand smoke. However, this is going way too far. And what about tourism. How many tourists will cancel their traveling plans because they are not allowed to smoke anywhere.

      louode - 2012-06-29 15:25

      @omrisho, why don't you walk somewhere else. this is the very reason why people don't like selfish smokers, like yourself.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-29 15:38

      If I fart in a lift should I be fined too? What if I sneeze on you? What about people who drown themselves in cologne and perfume that makes me want to gag, can we not fine them too? What about people who don't bath and stink, should we fine them? What about containing the smell of restaurants, it must drive the hungry to insanity and encourage obesity so we should fine them too surely? What about when I'm cycling and your car fumes get in my face, can I fine you for that? How about I fine you for being a right chop?

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 15:41

      All the smokers commenting are doing so from an emotional standpoint. Sharon breathing in someones fart is not hazardous to your health, for the most part ;). Breathing in second hand smoke is absolutely dangerous for your health. I used to smoke close to 40 smokes a day, and now that i have stopped for 4 years i cant believe i ever smoked! I also cant believe I put non smokers around me through that! As a non smoker, i go to my local pub and spend the night drinking with mates. The next day my chest is absolutely stuffed from breathing in all the smoke............thats not good for me. so smokers say "dont go to the pub, stay at home if you dont like the smoke" So I say "Dont go to the pub, stay at home if you cant go a few hours without a smoke while respecting the health of those around you"

      Hugh - 2012-06-29 18:14

      CapeGtown So what you are saying is that you will infringe on anothers rights to protect your own. I suppose you support freedom of speech too as long as they all agree with your point of view Or support prisoners rights as long as they do do rob or kill you. I am an ex smoker and as long as I am boss I will employ smokers and allow them to smoke in the office. It improves production as well as there are no longer smoke breaks.

      aristar.aristary - 2012-06-29 20:43

      I don't care if you smoke just don't blow it at me because I will just puke all over you.

      rbphiri - 2012-06-30 18:26

      As a non-smoker I truly think that this law is flawed! it will be virtually impossible to monitor each and every smoker in South Africa. It's a waste of police resources; while people are getting raped and killed, butthole cops will be chasing after smokers. The very law they enforcing will make government lose a considerable amount of money; Government should think about the 7 billion smokers pay in tax for their cancer sticks. They want to " criminalise smoking in any building, outdoor venue, public or private beach, outdoor drinking or eating area, park, walkway, parking area, or within 10m of any doorway or window"- this endless list is just an infringement on one's right; punishment already lies with smoke related diseases.

  • beryl.knipe - 2012-06-28 16:12

    I tell you, this is totally disgraceful and unacceptable. What are these law-enforcers trying to prove - exactly? I am an extremely considerate smoker (and there ARE those of us) - I pay the same amount of tax as any non-smoker, alcoholic, drug abuser, anorexic and glutton and yet, THESE laws must impact on MY life? NEVER, in the HISTORY of cigarette smoking (I'm talking central Johannesburg before the laws were passed)has one building burnt down because of a cigarette! NEVER has a family been emotionally/physically torn apart because someone in the family smokes. Yet, the sins mentioned above are labelled ILLNESSES and people say: Shame! Let ANYONE DARE stop me from smoking a cigarette! My damn CAT LIVED to 23 years and three of us smoked in her presence! Get a LIFE and concentrate on the IMPORTANT, DRASTIC THINGS happening in this country. Suburbs look like cesspools of filth and HOW are you going to stop shack-dwellers and informal settlers from smoking? How?

      procold2 - 2012-06-28 16:22

      right on beckie i also class myself as a considirate smoker and there must definatly be more important issues like getting school books to children so they dont get bored and strt smoking and all the rest that a kid does when they bored.

      marcel.celliers.7 - 2012-06-28 16:29

      Well said Beckie, i rest my case! If the "black majority" are so keen to fight for the rights of the "majority", why would us, the "smoking majority" be doing any else but to fight for the rights of our "majority"?

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-06-28 16:37

      Exactly. Walk up to me in a parking lot, where I have deliberately gone to be out of everyone's way, and tell me to stop smoking and I'll hammer you. That's intruding on my space, after I have politely given non-smokers their space.

      fussed.anderson - 2012-06-28 16:51

      The diggest wingers are the x smokers. They have to make a bib comotion to show that they were one and they now detest smokers. But they dont,they just miss it so bad they shoot themself in the foot

      porshe.vrebec - 2012-06-28 18:53

      really govt, why the always take 1st world laws to 3rd world? you get more money on cigg tax, that one we know. when people stop smoking. you will be in more ish than you are right now.

      aristar.aristary - 2012-06-29 20:44

      I don't care if you smoke just don't blow it at me because I will just puke all over you.

      archangel.zerachiel - 2012-06-30 16:56

      No such thing as a considerate smoker. Smokers are DRUG ADDICTS, plain and simple. Should you give TIK users and DAGGA users more rights that those that do not use those drugs? Obviously not, so the same applies to SMOKERS.

      archangel.zerachiel - 2012-06-30 16:57

      A considerate smoker ius like a well mannered rapist. No such creature exists. SMOKERS ARE THE MOST SELFISH BREED OF DRUG ADDICTS AROUND.

      archangel.zerachiel - 2012-06-30 17:00

      Tell you what, Bekkie, let ANY SMOKER DARE TO BLOW SMOKE IN MY FACE, SECOND HAND, THIRD HAND, FIRST HAND SMOKE, I don't care. You will then witness how fast a cigarette smoker becomes a cigarette eater. Disgusting, filthy addiction.

      stolsie - 2012-07-13 08:05

      Nice one Beckie. I would just like to say to these few self righteous anti-smokers: "insert derogatory comment here". @Jason, I hope you don't have any kids, you seem to be emotionally abusive and that to me is worse than indulging in a selfdestructive habit. Archangel.zefachiel challenge accepted :)

  • dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-06-28 16:13

    And what about the vagrants that hang around everywhere drinking cheap wine ? AND THIS IS PERMISSABLE !!

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-06-28 20:01

      IT CERTAINLY IS NOT !! They must drink expensive wine.

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 15:51

      a vagrant getting pissed under a bridge doesnt pose any health risk to me, but your second hand smoke does!

      Mike - 2012-06-29 20:30

      Jason you are lying, prove it.

  • kgothatso.freddy.9 - 2012-06-28 16:14

    Its about time,we'r sick nd tired of these ppl who smoke wherever they like

      james.m.wood.773 - 2012-06-28 16:45

      and we're tired of taxis killing people, polluting our environment everytime they through their trash out the window, we're tired of seeing those inconsiderate tosses who couldn't be bothered to go a few more feet into the bush to take a piss, we're tired of hearing about all the rape and murder, we're tired of hearing about all the fights and stabbings at school, we're tired of seeing illegal taverns operating with slutts hanging around them. let me have my cigerette in peace where i don't hurt you!

      Beckie Knight - 2012-06-29 07:01

      Kgothatso: Excuse me! Don't you know? We are NOT ALLOWED to "smoke wherever we like;" we're classed as disgusting, stinking, selfish people. Didn't you know? Please, just deal with it! If the government and the health authorities and the anti-smoking lobbies were AS CONCERNED AS THEY MAKE OUT - they would TAKE DRASTIC measures to BAN cigarettes and tobacco farms. But, OH NO! They make out like they're concerned but some of us KNOW they make FAR, FAR too much money from cigarette sales - billions of Rand, in fact! Once again, they target smokers, in the false perception that they "care" about us and non-smokers. Big, big mistake. Again, it's a matter of POWER before PEOPLE!

  • melanie.christie2 - 2012-06-28 16:17

    surely this is already sufficiently regulated? This is simply ridiculous.

      Grant - 2012-06-28 17:12

      Same as renaming streets. Either rename them all once and for all, or leave it now! For smoking, either BAN IT, or let people smoke. Making smoking legal, whilst banning advertising, and smoking in almost all AREAS is just stupid. Make a call, and do it.

  • gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-06-28 16:19

    The ANC just proves it again, they got their priorities wrong. That is not governance.

      jason.children - 2012-06-29 16:21

      actually this is a move in the right direction! You choose to smoke, but we have the RIGHT to not have to breath it in!

      smili.fication - 2012-06-29 18:23

      Jason - STFU, you are making a fool of yourself :(

      Mike - 2012-06-29 20:31

      Jason stop lying, where do you go that you are breathing unwanted smoke?

      stolsie - 2012-07-13 08:12

      Jason, you know you can always HOLD your breath and save our world from your unintelligent carbon dioxide emissions, do you even talk in real life? No? Just a sad internet troll then ;)

  • Omrisho - 2012-06-28 16:19

    more laws that are impossible to police, worry about something that matters

  • deon.vantonder.77 - 2012-06-28 16:19

    Looks like the ANC government wants to make up for the losses on their tollgate scam. Ha ha ha

  • thabo.modiba.7 - 2012-06-28 16:20

    Smokers pay sin tax, contribute to the economy.

  • ewanvb - 2012-06-28 16:21

    So what they are trying to say it is illegal for a person to exercise a personal prefrence of self destruction, yet, places like Sasol, Eskom and other poluters have the right to spew out smoke and not give a danm about those that do not want to breath the air of poor quality that these industries give. The government will next want to regulate that nobody is allowed to critisize the government, who can have sex, who can operate businesses, who can go where, who can travel abroad, who can collect monies for what causes, who can take a dump and when. The government have regulations in place already about smokers, why do they not rather give more attention to the amount of accidents involving alcohol, or the amount of children a family may have or how many wives a person might have. This is changing South Africa into a police state were the government want to stipulate how an individual can live their lives. Rather restrict people with HIV from reproducing as this is leaving a greater burdon on society with all the AIDS orphans.

  • Phillip - 2012-06-28 16:22

    Personnaly I can't stand cigarette smoke, but I have no problem with designated smoking areas.I think that criminalising smoking in public places is going too far. Whilst smoking has caused premature deaths I think that drinking alcohol causes far more destruction than cigarette smokers do. If this is the case why focus on criminalising smoking when the consumption of alcohol is more lethal, and is permitted. Before anyone says anything, no I am not advocating the banning of public drinking. Just comparing the two.

  • africanwolf - 2012-06-28 16:22

    Simply Stop Smoking !!!

      herman.erasmus - 2012-06-28 17:01

      hell no and i know you acting just like that cause you dying for a smoke !

      irma.white.9 - 2012-06-28 17:33

      Herman, you seem like a bit of a chop. Some people prefer a healthier lifestyle... good luck in your later years...

      Beckie Knight - 2012-06-29 07:03

      Oh, Africanwolf - you have NO IDEA!!! What a stupid statement!

  • clive.brink - 2012-06-28 16:25

    I am totally apposed to insensitive smokers who will light up and smoke near or in the vicinity of non smokers, just like I am abhored and totally to people who drink alcohol and after one or two drinks dont know how raucus, stupid and irritating they have become. And lets not fool ourselves while we are at it, alcohol is involved in 50% of all fatal road accidents. So until there is equaty and both vices are treated on the same level I will merrily keep puffing away! GSYS!

      oistar.tutu - 2012-06-28 16:43

      Ag clivey, when last did an 'insensitive smoker' just light up in front of you. Most smokers are overly considerate nowadays - to the point of being apologetic. Rather attend to you nappy rash, you old wet lap

      homith.hooseria - 2012-06-28 16:49

      Cranky old Toppie hey !

  • merkwaardig - 2012-06-28 16:25

    I have a constitutional right to clean air, and smokers have no right to poison me. Go for it DOH!

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-06-28 16:40

      So just take ten steps away. Too difficult? Easier just to complain isn't it?

      Lucille - 2012-06-28 16:44

      I have the right to walk outside at night without looking over my shoulder for murderers. You are crying for clean air, other is crying for help against murderers and rapist Open your mouth about this then about something stupid like your clean air. I hope you walk to work and do not use cars because the polution is heavy

      bones.mine - 2012-06-28 16:51

      Jy is merkwaardiglik onnosel, skapie.

      peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-06-28 16:56

      @merkwaardig, so you saying smokers are not people and don't have rights? Its idiots like you that really push me to stop being a considerate smoker. If you want clean air please stop using electricity, your car, food products and go live in a hollow tree!! All these things are far worse then cigarette smoke. Idiot!

      steve.foord.39 - 2012-06-28 18:41

      So idiotic, its so easy to cry constitutional right, you forget so quickly the other guy has rights too, i then should have a constitutional right not to have to tolerate idiots like you but sadly you have a constitutional right to be an idiot

      gordon.freedman.35 - 2012-06-28 20:54

      well youre really screwed then buddy the clean air has been gone for decades aleady with all the pollutions thats in it already so get a fish bowl and cram it over your head and breath deep

      Terry - 2012-06-28 22:25

      What about the obese people who stuff themselves full of anything they can get their hands on, take two seats in an aeroplane, are sweaty and smelly in Ques at banks and tills. Dont they also not make an impact in our lives? They also are medically expensive to the taxpayer! Should we now impose laws against them as well? I can see the headlines! YOU MAY ONLY BE FAT AT HOME! I bet many of the down thummers who do not smoke may fall in this catagory, But recommend implementing a law forcing THEM to live healthy and we will see who b8tches then!

      Thermophage - 2012-06-29 17:22

      You are exactly right. And yes smokers are people as well, but THEIR smoking infringes on our rights. SO they can bugger off. ANd NO, you cannot always avoid them as easily as you tards seem to think one can.

      jinpin2960 - 2012-07-12 12:00

      wheres the clean air youre talking about???????

  • ian.harrison.52035 - 2012-06-28 16:29

    OK. What about drinkers, then. Smokers must call for a similar ban for drinking.

      daniel.malan3 - 2012-07-03 21:58

      yeah and punish me because I have no problem with smokers? :) as long as no one tries to make me smoke or blows it into my face I have no problem with smokers

  • Alan - 2012-06-28 16:30

    I'm an ex-smoker and have no issues with smokers. It's about choice and mutual respect, if I don't want to inhale smoke, then I won't hang around smokers, it's that simple. Most smokers I know smoke in the designated areas or in open areas, nothing wrong with that.

  • henry.fivaz - 2012-06-28 16:30

    This law comes from America. If they catch you smoking in you garden off to jail you go. Strange that we should also adopt this law

      Beckie Knight - 2012-06-29 07:07

      @Henry: Yes - you're right. The whole world thinks America is "so upright" with their laws - their society is sicker than ours - seriously!

      carolyn.dewrance - 2012-06-30 11:06

      Yes Henry, but when you look at the black people of this country, they are also coping the americans with their wigs and american accents, So why must we be copycats, surely we have minds of our own Opps sorry the government dont have any minds to talk of.

  • martin.britchford.5 - 2012-06-28 16:31

    i will smoke inside and outside my home, in my car, while i fish, while i braai...i have a right to smoke, non smokers that dont want to be near it simply walk away, im not holding you at gun point blowing my smoke in your face, i dont support your restaurants, i dont light up around you, dont walk up to me and complain when you clearly saw me smoking in the first place. if you want me to stop smoking for air pollutions sake, then i want you to stop driving, farting, breathing, producing coal fired electricity, cattle farming, welding, braaing, infact anything that taints the air. because you are infringing on the oxygen i breathe too.

      Karel du Toit - 2012-06-28 16:38

      you smell!

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-06-28 18:24

      Farting and breathing is carcinogenic? I better stop doing that right awa... Oooooh you almost got me with that one.

      steve.foord.39 - 2012-06-28 18:47

      @SarcasticAgnostic,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, no but braaiing is. Now please come debate with me on this one, i dare you

      carolyn.dewrance - 2012-06-30 11:07

      Fully agree with you.

  • Hermann - 2012-06-28 16:35

    Yes, lets make smoking a crime and rape will no longer occur, farm murders and shebeen murders, murders in the townships, villages, suburbs will all be eliminated and the ANC can give stiff bonuses to its cadres in the Dept of Health. Viva the safe South Africa.

      carolyn.dewrance - 2012-06-30 11:09

      You for got about the killing of little children for body parts,

  • Bois-Tête - 2012-06-28 16:37

    You will not smoke, you will not drink, you will shower after having unprotected sex, you will steal as much as you can, you will vote for the ANC, you will love Juliaas, you will not learn at school because you have no books, amandla you are free you bastaad.

  • AnthonyZA - 2012-06-28 16:37

    If smokers want to kill themselves let them do it in their own homes and not take the rest of us with them. Its a habit that makes no logical sense at all....hey here is a good idea lets burn stuff and breath in the smoke THAT will be fun!!!!

      james.m.wood.773 - 2012-06-28 16:50

      you didn't quite think your argument through there did you. so I guess you don't drive a car, live in a house with electricity, use running water or buy food that is not grown in your own organic garden. everything these days is at some point giong to be detremental to your health, we as smokers choose to smoke, leave us alone and don't judge us lest we judge you!

      steve.foord.39 - 2012-06-28 18:49

      what an ass

      gordon.freedman.35 - 2012-06-28 20:58

      you already do when you braai you idiot

      Terry - 2012-06-28 22:32

      ANTHONY according to your pic. you look a little FAT. Maby you should consider that YOU as well is not living a healthy life! First get your OWN house in order then critisize others!

      Beckie Knight - 2012-06-29 07:09

      Anthony - please, don't be so damn foolish! You do NOT know what you're talking about so best you keep quiet!

      brian.watson.737001 - 2012-06-29 09:56

      Anthony, has anyone told you that if brains were made out of chocolate you wouldn't have enough to fill a smartie? You're a very noticeable idiot. No one is forcing you to smoke but for those that do, it is their choice and that should not be taken away else it will make the drug lords even richer. Think before you shoot your mouth off.

  • phosa.peter2 - 2012-06-28 16:37

    Pls', sign it to be the law.smoking contribute a vast polution unto the world

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-06-28 16:48

      So do fires and burning tyres,so arrest all protesters and make them pay R500.00 fine!

      james.m.wood.773 - 2012-06-28 16:52

      as well as alot of money into the states coffers via sin tax, you really think they (the goverment) want to loose billions a year in revenue that cost them nothing to generate?

      peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-06-28 16:57

      @phosa.peter2 Your also on my idiot list!!

  • Keg - 2012-06-28 16:37

    The Police are struggling to control major crimes never mind stupid trivial sh*t like this.Looking for more revenue ANC instead of serving your people??? I am an ex smoker and don't give a crap where and when you smoke, its your life do what you want.

  • sika.ncamane - 2012-06-28 16:39

    Nxa misunu yenu man zinja, these people are's my life if i want to smoke I will smoke. They should close down Mcdonalds first because of acid food it's killing our people then we can talk

  • susan.paul.330 - 2012-06-28 16:40

    To hell with this law, the day the goverment pays for my bond, then they can dictate to me about I can do in and around my house..

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-06-28 16:41

    Typical! Create huge laws for trivial things but allow drugs and crime to be rampant! Not to mention the carbon emissions from vehicles which we have to enhale,along with smoke form factories,filthy poluted rivers,dams etc!! Oh no we wont worry about that-as long as there is an issue to distract from the corruption and mal management,the government is happy!!!

  • Dave - 2012-06-28 16:42

    This country is run by a bunch of complete idiots who should be confined to their homes permanently.

  • lukhanyo.noma - 2012-06-28 16:46

    thts the crazyest thng they can cme up wth.r these polititians bored or wth .whose gonna tel me where to smoke in my own yard no one i say.stupid

  • brendon.titus - 2012-06-28 16:49

    Truelly,this stupid people should rather focus on service delivery!Its my money

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-06-28 16:51

    I think we should outlaw non-smokers!!!!! They have no use in sociaty and mot of them are anal whinny idiots. Stop bitching about somking and worry about other things like pollution, car fumes and well the fact that our government is robbing everyone blind! If you had to ban smoking a lot of business would suffer and guess what so would the government because of a huge loss of tax revenue and guess what non-smoker idiots! Where do you think they are going to make up the shortfall???? Yes thats right, more taxes for everyone doesn't that sound like fun. I really used to be a considerate smoker but I see that it doesn't matter how considerate you are because its never enough for whiney non-smokers, so from now on I am not going to be considerate. Non-Smokers be ware I am going to blow my smoke in your face!!!

      Omrisho - 2012-06-28 17:25

      heheh, yeah, while they try blow smoke up your @ss

      Thermophage - 2012-06-29 17:25

      ag shame. looks a little like you are the whining one now...Ban it wherever it infringes on the rights of other people. Simple as that. Ban it in bars ffs, please!

      carolyn.dewrance - 2012-06-30 11:18

      Agree with you on this, but time to ban all alcohol then close down the bars, restaurants, hotels, and any where they sell booze and cigarettes, Just imagine the amount of revenue the government will loose then, no Tourists,no big weddings, no entertainment, no Car Accidents no murders, no rapes,Just imagine all the wine farms having to rip out their vines and grow carrots instead.

  • komorison - 2012-06-28 16:54

    Subtle way for govt to start reigning in basic and fundamental rights, get you used to giving up things ... they are "concerned" about your health and want to "look after you" Gun law, another example, the right to bear arms, to defend yourself.

  • Siyabonga Mkhwanazi - 2012-06-28 16:57

    i see a lot of whining and you smokers say non-smokers are whiners, its simple, puff all you like, but dont subject us non-smokers to your stupid habit.

  • Ursula Forrest - 2012-06-28 16:58

    I think this is the best proposal I have heard all year. Why should innocent people and children be subjected to smoke when we opt to live healthy lifestyles. I'd vote yes yes yes in a heart beat! If smokers want to kill themselves, let them do it in the privacy of their own homes!

      herman.erasmus - 2012-06-28 17:04

      Come have a smoke , you know you want to . Most smokers are considerate and will not smoke around kids , and stick to designated smoking areas , so your argument is somewhat fail .

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-06-28 18:27

      @herman. Considerate? I'm sorry, WHAT?! Seriously?!

      Wesley Bischoff - 2012-06-28 19:45

      Exactly!!! We constantly compromise and respect others (most smokers anyway), and yet we still get treated like black sheep of society

      gordon.freedman.35 - 2012-06-28 21:03

      yes lets ban smoking along with the power stations its gonna be a real cold and hungry winter for you my good person

  • giovanni.olori - 2012-06-28 17:02

    Another police state!!!

  • shane.hay.71 - 2012-06-28 17:04

    I like it! Smokers have been infringing on my rights for many years!

  • Paul Valakelis - 2012-06-28 17:05

    I wouldn't mind smokers if it just didn't stink so much. I was in a club and the smoke was so thick, my jacket had to go to the cleaners just to get rid of that smell. leaving it outside to air didn't help. But still smokers should be free to smoke in their house and cars to their lungs content, just not in public. I was outside mesmerized by the ocean, since being from Gautengers, we hardly get to see it, and this dweeb comes and stands right next to me with his smoke...all of it in my face. Guess who had to move....yes, me. I used to smoke for 10 years. Dumbest thing I ever did.

      irma.white.9 - 2012-06-28 17:36

      Gee Stuart, no need to be nasty about women!

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-06-28 17:05

    Non-smokers are boring people. All smokers welcome at my house. You can even light a dagga joint.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-06-28 18:29

      Hey SAPS. We got a real bribe-mine here.

  • Siyabonga Mkhwanazi - 2012-06-28 17:10

    You smoking idiots, your heads are filled with smoke, the law wont ban smoking, it'll ban smoking in public.

  • komorison - 2012-06-28 17:11

    I see nothing done about alcohol. You can advertise it, get drunk in public, hinder other folks, make an absolute fool of yourself, get into a car and kill people, urinate in public, beat your wife and kids, seriously degrade your health, literally p_ss your money away, break up the family ..... I can carry on!

  • Andrew - 2012-06-28 17:12

    Why the hell does the Minister of health focus what is chaotically wrong and that is the state of our hospitals, their administration, the corruption within them, the non payment of doctors and medical staff, the underpayment of same, the cronic shortage of doctors and nurses instead of spending his time on this matter.

      komorison - 2012-06-28 17:15

      Nail on the head Andrew, check this out

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-06-28 18:32

      With this law, there'll be allot less people in the hospitals. Now we just jail drunkards, and the shortage will disappear.

      sibusiso.mkoko - 2012-06-28 19:23

      He cares, he don't want you to rot your tared, almost-gone lungs further.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-06-28 17:15

    Great proposal. It will help reduce second hand smoking to us who do not smoke.

  • barend.wasserman - 2012-06-28 17:16

    STOP picking on us smokers and START hitting Alcohol abuse! I do not physically harm any one with my siggie. And by that I mean, I do not go out to have a puff then drive reckless, beat my family, cause accidents, harm myself in any way alcohol does!! How many accidents takes innocent and guilty lives. How many incidents of death, domestic violence, abuse, rape, etc... are caused by alcohol?

  • Simon Patrick Ric-Hansen - 2012-06-28 17:19

    The comments here by smokers are a joke. I am going to walk around with a burning car tyre letting off that nice thick black smoke. Do you think it will be nice to have that blowing in your face? Cant see why people would complain, it's my right to do it out doors or in a smoking room.

      Wesley Bischoff - 2012-06-28 19:39

      What a childish and moronic thing to say. Smoke from a burning tyre and a cigarette are not the same Lame

      randall.j.coetzee - 2012-06-28 23:17

      Simon our government has made one of the stupidest proposals of all time, yet you are the stupidest person in our country for posting such a idiotic comment

      Simon Patrick Ric-Hansen - 2012-06-29 16:57

      You answers back what I am saying. From the point of a non smoker maybe that's what it feels like to have smoke blown in there face. Other countries have total bans on smoke in public places. What's the problem? The only people it inconveniences are the smokers. any that's the smokers choice.

  • andrea.slater - 2012-06-28 17:25

    Ja... look. The chances are this will be something our police could actually excel at - "crime" statistics would be amazing!

  • Mark - 2012-06-28 17:31

    Look lets face it, the legislation will be passed, whether we like it or not. I have an idea, why do we not all just refuse to purchase cigarettes from our stores for one month which incidentally are allowed legally by our government. I'm keen to know how much revenue [taxes] government would lose. Once government is hit in its pocket they will soon change their stupid legislation. Wonder what's next. I've always wondered whether government is aware that the driving of a vehicle is more dangerous then cigarettes. All non smokers can you imagine how much carbon monoxide you are breathing in daily??

      Wesley Bischoff - 2012-06-28 19:36

      It's true, yet the smokers are the one's scoffed at. Respect each others rights people, and there won't be a problem.

  • irma.white.9 - 2012-06-28 17:32

    While I do feel that to ban smoking in ones own home is extreme, but public places (where there are no wide open airy spaces)- yes please. The current laws state that you cannot smoke within a few metres of an entrance, yet smokers are always huddles right by the entrance of a mall or whatever, making the area smokey. You smokers want to say us non smokers must get a life, whatever, but who the hell are you to FORCE us to inhale your second hand smoke (and yes, you do force us by smoking in bars and pubs and by entrances). I am not boring, I like going out and having fun- I just don't like coughing the whole night and having my eyes burnt by all the smoke. Again, forcing your habits onto us. I saw a gentleman smoking in his car, no windows open, with a BABY in the backseat. Does that seem OK to you? No it doesn't, but we are the morons because we actually care about our health? The pollution and car fumes, etc is already a problem, who are you to make it worse? I do agree that they CAN be focussing on other things, like alochol and drugs and crime, BUT in my line of work I see a LOT of cancer... caused by cigarettes, maybe, but on the info most of the patients say they smoke.... see a trend...?

  • Phobos777 - 2012-06-28 18:02

    And what about car emissions and factory smog? Look Im a smoker too but I dont make it other peoples problem by smoking around or near them its my habit but I try and do it responsibly. I just think that this law is a bit to harsh. But at the end of the day if it is passed I would have comply.

  • mkgatla3 - 2012-06-28 18:10

    Other smokers abuse us! I think this will help...

  • craig.a.salter - 2012-06-28 18:37

    and ppl wonder why im moving to russia

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-06-28 20:21

      What's in Russia that's not there in SA?

  • Jacqueline - 2012-06-28 18:48

    This is probably the most ridiculous thing our government has come up with to date.