Protector won't revise report

2011-03-10 08:49

Johannesburg - Public Protector Thuli Madonsela will not revise her controversial report on an "improper" R500m police lease agreement, despite reports that Public Works Minister Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde has asked her to revisit the findings.

"The minister of public works had at least four opportunities to raise concerns with the draft report before its finalisation," Madonsela's spokesperson Kgalalelo Masibi told Sapa.

"The most important was the opportunity given to respond to the draft report, which was not substantially different to the final report," she said.

"The minister was also given an opportunity to respond to comments from the Treasury, which fully endorsed the Public Protector’s draft report.

"The minister’s comments on the draft report did not suggest or request any redrafting and therefore did not warrant any changes to the report.

"The minister did not take the opportunity to respond to the Treasury document," Masibi said.

Report 'shallow and superficial'

She was commenting on an article in The Star on Wednesday, and which quoted from a document leaked to the newspaper.

The Star reported that Mahlangu-Nkabinde, in the document, called the Public Protector's report "shallow and superficial" and said it was filled with "inaccuracies, inconsistencies and irregularities".

The minister also asked Madonsela to revisit her findings.

Masibi said: "The Public Protector does not consider it proper to engage in a street dialogue about her findings.

"She has indicated to organs of state that they are free to engage with her on a one to one basis.

"That having been said, the Public Protector considers her report to be final and any engagement should be about implementation. As far as the Public Protector is concerned, the report speaks for itself."

The report was made public last month.

Improper conduct

It found national police commissioner Bheki Cele guilty of improper conduct and maladministration for authorising a R500 million lease agreement for a building in Pretoria to serve as the police's headquarters.

Madonsela also found that the public works department should never have signed the lease agreement.

Sapa contacted Mahlangu-Nkabinde's office on Wednesday morning for comment on The Star report, but by Thursday morning there had been no response.

Cele has continued to deny any wrongdoing.

Last week, police visited the Public Protector's office - in what spokesperson McIntosh Polela called an "unauthorised" operation - and demanded that certain documents pertaining to the report to be handed over to them.

  • Ngomo - 2011-03-10 08:53

    Dont let the idiots in the ANC push you around. - 2011-03-10 09:10

      No Ngomo, Its the ROOT of the ANC that is corrupt. Every day they steal OUR money. They have to entertain guys like Malema to win votes of the uneducated.

      Ngomo - 2011-03-10 09:25

      @Joggie As a former ANC supporter i know that the root of SA's problems is the ANC. They are a bunch of dimwits. i realized that to make something of yourself you have to do it yourself! If you think the ANC is going to just hand you a business you are wrong Im embarrassed by the blind loyalty people have for the corrupt ANC.

      liamm - 2011-03-10 09:32

      Well said

      TBOOZE - 2011-03-10 09:48

      im sho by nw evry nw knw y Mbeki was fired...Zuma nd his gang wanted 2 spend our money the way they please by enriching themselves.Now we all knw y Mbeki ddnt want his as a president bcz he saw how greedy he was.Mbeki opened up the arms deal probe and the close it.shaik arrest and they release him,selebi's case im sho he wont go 2 prison either.Mbeki was 1 president who refused 2 get a salary raise bt i bet mr zuma would neva turn tht offer dwn.zuma is making sure tht by the time he steps out of office his whole family and friend are rich. I stil cry by the way the contry treated Mbeki bcz he was 1 president who wasnt greedy,his mom owns a spaza shop and used 2 take public transport 2 town while his son was a president

      WhiteEagle - 2011-03-10 09:58

      Its people like you that gives us hope, well said

      ZAR Minority X - 2011-03-10 10:48

      Viva Democracy Viva..!!!

  • Midcorner - 2011-03-10 09:03

    Revisit the report,thats the only way to manupulate her findings.The affected departments must face the music of their own action and if the Advocate does that,we will question her intergrity

  • Piet - 2011-03-10 09:04


      Piet I wonder who will be the next PP. Most likely it will be a Shaik or a Gupta

  • code - 2011-03-10 09:05

    Thuli, your resolve is a light in an ever increasing darkness.

  • Dave - 2011-03-10 09:07

    Man, I like this woman, she's got balls

      Martie - 2011-03-10 10:53

      Dave no. Shes got haert and guts. She is a very strong lady. I know you mean well.

  • CheekySod - 2011-03-10 09:08

    Awesome. Thuli Madonsela, you deserve a medal. Standing your ground. Because the ANC did not like your findings, they want you to revise it. Not based on their own investigation, just a knee-jerk emotional response. Just plain abuse of the trust the voters placed in them.

  • albert martin - 2011-03-10 09:09

    Finally, a chick with some balls - put's the rest of ANC men to shame!

      Martie - 2011-03-10 10:48

      Albert woman dont need balls. They have haert and guts.

  • Ngomo - 2011-03-10 09:10

    the problem with SA politics....... Meant to be State Party Self not..... Party Self State

      lmduplessis - 2011-03-10 10:11

      you mean... self enrichment part self state self self

      Felix - 2011-03-10 11:15

      or party, party, party - get more tax, then party some more?

  • onetickie - 2011-03-10 09:20

    Good for you Protector Thuli Madonsela. Its time somebody stood up to these corrupt bullies.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-03-10 09:22

    Well Done, Thuli Madonsela, YOU STAND BY YOUR REPORT !!! I love it when people like Thuli stand up for what's us South Africans a little hope...

  • Calmone - 2011-03-10 09:23

    Good for Thuli, dont let these F%&kers push you around.What a cheek to ask her to change her report.

  • - 2011-03-10 09:23

    How can the ANC, after a five-minute glance at the report, declare it is inaccurate, shallow, or whatever other sorry-ass excuse it can come up with? More strength to Thuli, a woman with integrity.

      paulf - 2011-03-10 09:35

      The ANC know that he is guilty, that's why. Now they are using their corrupt tricks.

  • LibranDiva - 2011-03-10 09:29

    How dare they try to bully Thuli for doing her job

  • liamm - 2011-03-10 09:31

    Atleast we still have some people in tghenjustice system that hgave integrity and principles

  • paulf - 2011-03-10 09:33

    Well done, stand up for what is right and being honest!!!

  • maseratifitt - 2011-03-10 09:33

    A breath of fresh air. Good to see principles and discipline in action. Vasbyt, Thuli.

  • Slapper - 2011-03-10 09:35

    Stick with it Girl, you are proof that all is not rotten in the Government. You will possibly end up being suspended without Pay, but you will win in the end

  • TBOOZE - 2011-03-10 09:35

    im sho by nw evry nw knw y Mbeki was fired...Zuma nd his gang wanted 2 spend our money the way they please by enriching themselves.Now we all knw y Mbeki ddnt want his as a president bcz he saw how greedy he was.Mbeki opened up the arms deal probe and the close it.shaik arrest and they release him,selebi's case im sho he wont go 2 prison either.Mbeki was 1 president who refused 2 get a salary raise bt i bet mr zuma would neva turn tht offer dwn.zuma is making sure tht by the time he steps out of office his whole family and friend are rich. I stil cry by the way the contry treated Mbeki bcz he was 1 president who wasnt greedy,his mom owns a spaza shop and used 2 take public transport 2 town while his son was a president

      Midcorner - 2011-03-10 10:01

      You are right my leader,that was the only PRESIDENT who stood up and show a direction in terms of the principle and values of the movement,it is proven beyond any dought that he was capable of leading the coutry.He was having a strong backbone and stood up for what he bealieve was right and people started to hate him and still he became faithful cadre who gave his life of 52 years to defend the movement.And now the fruits are showing of why he never believe in the capacity of the current President.We really miss him and i so wish that the movement can always consult on how thinks are done. There is so much to say about this man,his vision was not only for South africa only but of the rest of the continent and even now he still pursue that and thats why he won the hearts of many leaders around the world and to cee what id happening in the movement,it really breaks one heart

      TBOOZE - 2011-03-10 10:47

      he was indeed a true president ,he dedicated his whole life 2 the ANC and wat dd they do? wen asked 2 step dwn he never even put a fight 2 show he wasnt greedy 4 power.the guy doesnt even hv children bcz he was running all ova making sho the country get the best of everything.he was a peaceful man bcz evr since he stepped down ive never heard him saying anything bad about the ppl who brought him down.Trevor wants out now also because he now see what ANC is doing is not what he fought for..

      Midcorner - 2011-03-10 11:07

      If this is what we have foght for and if is this what our loves once have sacrisfies their lives for and for the betterment of the african child,then this is pure insult and undermining all the effort that we have done and im very much dissapointed.There was no personal thing between Thibos and Zuma everything about them was base on political conspirancy of what the ANC stands for in terms of values and principles and all those that are currently bennefiting are the once that who have lost the will of people and focus on them and that is what Thibos wanted to avoid and that is the price he was willing to defend,that South Africa belongs to all who leave and it,and today we see that South Africa belongs to those who know Zuma and his family. Im a member of ANC in good standing and base on what it has done for me that is the reason that makes me to question things

      Cameron - 2011-03-10 11:32

      The reason why they fired Mbeki, was because Mbeki was actually educated with a degree. Unfortunatley, its sad to say that they were scared of a black man with an education.

      DW - 2011-03-10 11:39

      @ both of you - I feel for you. You believed that your hard won freedom would be for the betterment of all, but it ended up for the betterment of the few at the top. Change your vote and get rid of them. Once they see that they have lost the power maybe they could change and you could always vote them back in again. That is what true democracy is about...not about voting for someone for what they did in the past, but what they are going to do in the future - and it is obvious where this bunch are headed.

  • Santapola - 2011-03-10 09:37

    @Ngomo...bra stop insulting our leaders..we never asked u to join the ANC and u did that out of ur will and so by the way you got into the organisation to will be best to do exactly that when u move out...It does not mean if things did u go well with u and the other millions of South Africans are not benefiting from the ANC...We are benefiting and we getting rich

      Ngomo - 2011-03-10 10:02

      and thus will never know the meaning of earning!!!!!!! How old are you. I earn my money. i dont just get handed it. the fact that you support the ANC through the corruption and rape trials is amusing to say the least. Nice house, nice car , and im sure a whole bunch of western clothes. dont really blame you for supporting them actually. but one day if you have the brains you will learn that working hard for something makes the rewards just that much more great. i was told to leave SA by a few of my Zim friends. their reason?? All the same things that are happening in SA currently < also happened in Zim not that long ago. And if you say that Zim is a success story then thank you. you just made yourself look moronic.

      attiebabu - 2011-03-10 10:03

      hyenas like you will pay one day

      Ngomo - 2011-03-10 10:05

      @Santapola, you are right in calling me your bra!!! i am here supporting you, and by the looks of it will be doing it for quite some time.

      Ngomo - 2011-03-10 10:17

      @attiebabu, who exactly?????

      Johann - 2011-03-10 10:20

      Ngomo, you rock BRA

      attiebabu - 2011-03-10 10:22

      Santapola @ssh$le

      Lauren - 2011-03-10 10:28

      Santa, you are the perfect poster boy for the ANC. All you care about is being rich. You don't care about anybody else. Just like your ANC. Nice response, Ngomo.

      Ngomo - 2011-03-10 10:33

      Johan, i just got sick and tired with What the ANC was doing. Yes they fought for our freedom, and we are all grateful. But freedom fighters do not always make good political leaders. Africa is full of examples of this.

      Felix - 2011-03-10 11:24

      Santapola your leaders are a poor excuse for goverment, with the mentality you have you will always be begging for scraps from your masters, untill you get a chance to stab one in the back and take his place. Ngomo you are spot on in all your posts. You have way too much integrity to be part of the current ANC.

      Dave - 2011-03-10 11:26

      @Ngomo....if more people could distinguish the difference in critizing a corrupt government from the ANC that fought for freedom in this country, we would be in a far better place at this moment

      Aleida Fuller - 2011-03-10 12:53

      Oh Pleeeeezzzzzz-----whose getting RICH??????????????Certainley not the HARD working people of this country!!!!!!We are just surviving....from day to day and VERY thankful for our work.

  • neddy - 2011-03-10 09:37

    With corrupt, uneducated blacks running the country we're on the way to hell. The few capable ones like Thuli Madonsela are squashed.

      Ngomo - 2011-03-10 10:08

      Nothing to do with color. Education has something to do with it. but what the ANC is lacking is intelligence. Look at uncle BOB he is the worlds most qualified leader.

      Colin Dovey - 2011-03-10 10:28

      neddy you just spoiled a range of really good comments by bringing in the race issue.....When are we ALL going to get away from that, and look at the ISSUES....not the people involved, because, as surely as the sun rises every day, those people will one day evaporate in the mists of time, and people will look back to see if the right THING was done, for the PEOPLE, and THEN say: "THIS was their finest hour!"

      Madelane - 2011-03-10 11:24

      Neddy why the race card? We need to be positive more than anything else as it has nothing to do with race but with morals, ethics and basic principles which the ANC leadership singularly lack much the same as the bunch of politicians pre 94......thank you to those that will take this country forward with clear vision and true humanity

  • Dougalan - 2011-03-10 09:40

    Yes, congratulations to Thuli Madonsela. One can only imagine the pressure she must have been under from Cele and his thugs. Well done - you are worthy of mentioning in the same breath as Mandela. And you are so unlike Cele, Sheryl Cwele (of the drug case), Motala, Hlophe, Selebi, McBride, 'Winnie Stompie Sepei Mandela', Malema and about a thousand other so-called ANC 'leaders'. Stay strong lady; you give us hope that a genuine multi-racial democracy can actually work in SA.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-03-10 10:31

      You have fortgotten to mention the 'boss' himself JZ who has, for many years, managed to avoid the courts!

  • Airwolf - 2011-03-10 09:42

    To say now that she wants the report "revised" after having been shown drafts earlier and said nothing, is just opportunistic. It sounds like a boot licking exercise.

  • Dumbstruck - 2011-03-10 09:49

    Thuli for president

  • Dave - 2011-03-10 09:49

    Ag no shame man.....we all know Tannie Gwen is a bit slow off the mark, she did read the report, and thought it was ok, but only when someone else explained the contents did she realise she was in serious kak - 2011-03-10 10:49

      Dave, you're so right. That Gwen needs lots of education, starting with ABC

  • Kevin King - 2011-03-10 09:56

    The ANC needs a corrupt, racist police commissioner. How else is he going to fit in with their agenda?

      Maryanne - 2011-03-10 10:22

      So true Kevin

  • jono.boardman - 2011-03-10 10:00

    i'll bet mahlangu-nkabinde never actually bothered to read the draft. he was probably given it, too lazy to bother reading it, approved it, and now found oops... should have read that one.. now big boss cele is in trouble and we need to change it. sorry bud, 11th hour has passed.

  • Sword&Cross - 2011-03-10 10:04

    Can it be, that we South African's have reached a turning point and are ready to abruptly throw out these lying and thieving leaders within the current ruling regime, and get RSA back onto it's shining NON RACIAL and efficient productive route again? Are the Black Diamonds going to start asserting themselves as LEADERS (LeadSA) at last, instead of just lying back and enjoying the fruits of child grant production and sheer insanity of the ANCYL and it's rotten organs? OR do we still sink down the road of corruption further?

  • Kiran08 - 2011-03-10 10:04

    Congrats and well done on what you are doing!!! We need more people like you Adv Thuli Madonsela. Don't let them push you are only doing what's right. Keep your job and don't let your bosses get any sinister motive in pushing you out

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-10 10:09

    She is going to be 'released' from her duties...

      Midcorner - 2011-03-10 10:24

      You are wright my leader,its just the matter of time im mean that stand against Zuma its gone,what happened to the tried and tested Scorpions and what are Hawks doing?We never heard of such things during the turn of Madiba,we also never heard of such in turn of Thibos and what is happening it raises a serious question of where are we going to be in the few decades.One really wander

  • alvin.logenstein - 2011-03-10 10:17


      The DA is the only viable alternative, so right on, vote DA at every opportunity.

      Me2 - 2011-03-10 11:06

      Did you read the report on Tutu's speech? See top of this web page!

      The Patriot - 2011-03-10 11:34

      alvin, why do you think that the DA isn't a viable alternative? At the moment it is the only opposition unless you think the "Kiss" party is better? Get with the programme.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-03-10 10:18

    I am a little concerned about the independence of the Public Protector. Once the facts are gathered, a report should be written and published. There should be no need for any government department to check it first, especially not those departments who were involved.

      DW - 2011-03-10 11:47

      I disagree. Let them read it and answer any questions. This is only fair as things could be misrepresented or misunderstood. They were given this opportunity and said nothing, and only now that it has been made public, suddenly they want it to be revised. I suppose they thought it would be quietly ignored or "dealt with by the internal structures of the ANC". The fact that they actually have seen this report before and never questioned it then gives it more credence now.

  • Maryanne - 2011-03-10 10:20

    Thuli, if only people who think like you could run this country. We are driven into dispair and debt while Cele (who is so turned on by rank and greed, but is such an ignoramous)and croonies lavish themselves and their families at our expence the country, it is disgusting, but then again Zuma and company are all disgusting people

  • Mike@CapeT - 2011-03-10 10:25

    In other words, Mahlangu-Nkabinde wants the Public Protector to 'fudge' her ANCish!

  • Julius - 2011-03-10 10:52

    Salt mines for you.

  • Sisie - 2011-03-10 10:53

    Trying to use their Bullying tactics on you. Don't give in - they are mere men who still have to sit when they cr*p. Trying to cover this up in a BIG way.

  • OuWitBooi - 2011-03-10 10:59

    I hope that this courageous woman is not treated the same way that Nozizwe Madlala-Routledge was treated when she clashed with Manto "Beetroot and Garlic" Msimang over the infant deaths at Frere hospital and over the AIDS issue. But Zuma has shown himself incapable of taking decisive action like Mbeki could. Zuma's silence and inaction over major conflicts like the Manuel-Manyi spat, and a host of others, shows that he just can't cut the mustard. Especially not just before a pending election. Not to say that I think Mbeki was perfect. It was under his direction that the policy of Africanisation really got under way. I am heartened by some of the comments above asking for competence to be the criterion for getting ahead, rather than race, tribal or family links. South Africa is for all South Africans.

  • Santapola - 2011-03-10 11:06

    U can cry out loud and encourage people to vote DA but just know that we have 65% of people who still going to vote for the ANC...not in my life time i will tell my kids and my grandparents or even my parents to vote for a white party..NEVER..that will never happen..remember how the whites stole our land, fact they are the worst criminals.. they be prosecuted....I do not care and just wish that i can prosecute them or send them to holland or where ever they coming from this racists...Mxh..leave the ANC alone if u want us to sit in one shoe

      Ngomo - 2011-03-10 11:21

      OH Sanapola. The reason why the ANC has 65% is because 65% of the people in this country are not educated. And looking at the ANC's policies this isnt going to change any time soon. What the ANC is doing is the same as what the |NATS did except that the ANC is now doing it to its ow people. They are getting a very small minority rich and leaving the uneducated masses to rot.

      OuWitBooi - 2011-03-10 11:27

      If you want to send the whites back to the lands of their ancestors, should you be sent back to Central Africa so that we can give South Africa back to the Khoisan people? What makes black immigrants any more entitled than white or indian immigrants? I do not deny that some whites mistreated some blacks under apartheid. But many whites, and especially those like Zille in leadership positions in the DA, always voted and protested against apartheid. Just because they used the rule of law and the democratic process to express their disagreement with apartheid, and they did not burn down schools and necklace the opposition does not make then any less South African then you. Should I hate all blacks just because the three times I have had my house burgled it has been by blacks? This is the same logic you are using to hate all whites. Think about it. Two wrongs don't make a right. I have no doubt the ANC will win this election. But I am confident that the DA will make significant inroads and this will give them more opportunities to show that when competence is put ahead of cronyism in appointing officials then it is to the benefit of everyone - just like they have done in the Western Cape.

      Janine - 2011-03-10 13:20

      And this is how a black person can be racist ............

  • selatole - 2011-03-10 11:21

    I pitty you all - you are so much enraged and have bottled so much hate. Hate and rage are consuming. they are not healthy for the soul. Your mean-spiritness and ranting does Zuma and the ANC govt absolutely nothing. Why don't you just work hard at getting black support for the DA or build COPE. Of course none of those will work. In the case of the latter, it is in ICU and braindead, and will take a miracle to have it rescicitated. In the case of the former, white arrogance will also stand in the way of blacks filling in the ranks of the DA. Then, what do you remain with? The ANC, of course. That's it.

      Ngomo - 2011-03-10 11:32

      Selatole. Its not a black and white thing, its about choosing a leader who is qualified to run SA. Black or white or brown or yellow or green. it doesn't bother me. You believe that because you are black you have to vote for the ANC?? The freedom that Mandela and the veterans of the ANC fought for also included the freedom to choose. I cannot vote for someone who has zero integrity. Please think, why dont the ANC fire those in its ranks that have criminal records instead of promoting them or giving them a seat in Parliament?

      dracqlore - 2011-03-10 12:57

      The ANC is currently a monopoly in South Africa. It is beacuse it has 65% of the votes that it chooses to do whatever it pleases. If the If the Gap shrinked to 55% vs 45%. There will be more than enough reason for the ruling goverment to perform because hot on their heels is something else that might just do it better. And if the wheel turns and the DA rules and they screw up guess what the ANC is just a few votes away to take over and rule. That my friend is true democracy. If you owned 65% of a market would you really care about your customers in the absence of true competition?

      DW - 2011-03-10 13:06

      Do yourself a favour selatole. If you dont like any of the other parties, please dont vote ANC as a default vote. Rather dont vote at all than support this bunch of thieving criminals. By voting for them it can be taken that you support them.

  • Madelane - 2011-03-10 11:48

    Way to go give ALL South Africans hope for the future with your stand against corruption and dishonesty!!!

  • bosegoos - 2011-03-10 13:08

    Of all the not so bright, not so honest, not so discreet Ministers serving in the ANC, this Minister certainly takes the 'koek. How dare she try to dictate to the PP what to write. This Minister is the main cause of the problems surrounding the Middestad lease and had the audacity to sanction a lease that did not conform to tender and financial directives, GET RID OF HER, MR PREZ - SHE IS BAD NEWS.

  • Tshifhiwa - 2011-03-10 13:16

    Who are you voting for now Ngomo?? IFP tlititititiii

      Ngomo - 2011-03-10 13:23

      Tshifhiwa. Not sure who im going to vote for. but i know who im not voting for, the ANC doesnt deserve my vote.

      Ngomo - 2011-03-10 13:25

      Tshifhiwa. Do you honestly believe that Zuma is the best Black south african for the Job?? If so , then this is a sad day for all black people. I dont see the point in trying to look up to someone that i naturally look down on.

      dracqlore - 2011-03-10 13:32

      try this oxymoron..... If you want the ANC to realy work for you, don't vote for them....

      Colin Dovey - 2011-03-10 15:21

      Why not be really brave and vote for the THINKING Black folk in the DA? The ones who can really change our society - The Barack Obama's are there - not in the ANC

  • Rob - 2011-03-10 14:43

    Tuli Madonsela - You go my girl! Stick to your principals, they will take you all the way in the end. Don`t sell your soul for ANY amount of money. You will have the love and respect of your friends, loved ones and family, and most of all, yourself, the rest don`t matter.

  • Russell Dunbar - 2011-03-10 15:53

    'improper conduct and maladministration'Please clarify.

  • Bill Xhosa - 2011-03-10 16:41

    She is brave. How long before she gets redeployed? She forgot to read the sweep it under the carpet memo. I give it three months.

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