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Public must help with prisoners' rehab

2012-10-28 18:23

Johannesburg - Communities must take some responsibility for the rehabilitation of offenders, Correctional Services Minister Sibusiso Ndebele said in a statement on Sunday.

"We want to create opportunities where various stakeholders... will assemble together with offenders with a single purpose to rebuild our communities ravaged by crime," he said.

These stakeholders included those personally affected by crime, their families, communities, community-based organisations, non-governmental organisations, religious and spiritual bodies, educators, councillors and local leaders.

Crime originated within communities, and so communities should take "co-responsibility" for rehabilitation.

To this end, the department of correctional services was embarking on victim-offender dialogues.

This programme aimed to keep offenders away from imprisonment by reconstructing family units and community systems and victim support and empowerment.

At the same time, those already incarcerated should be rehabilitated.

"The objective of the victim-offender dialogues is to put the victim back at the centre of the corrections system, as the victim is directly, and personally, affected by the criminal act of the offender," he said.

Equally, the offender must be given an opportunity to reflect on his or her wrongs and request forgiveness.

Music, literature, arts, cultural events, heritage, sport, formal education and skills acquisition should be used to reinforce corrections programmes.

Economic renewal through co-operatives and enterprise development, spiritual growth and "self-correcting interventions" could also be used to this end.

"The trilogy of victim, offender and community must play a leading role in the implementation of the victim-offender dialogues as corrections is a societal responsibility," Ndebele said.

South Africa's rate of imprisonment was much higher than any other country in Africa and one of the highest in the world, with 310 inmates for every 100 000 residents.

In August last year, a total of 157 375 inmates were in prison - the highest in Africa, according to the World Prison Brief.

       

Comments
  • ray.priestley.79 - 2012-10-28 18:36

    Why must the victims do the job? Criminals have more rights than the rest of us.

      rbphiri - 2012-10-28 19:10

      Hell we even paying for their Dstv in prison! They get free education, while their victims struggle financially to put their kids through school. A question to Minister Sibusiso Ndebele: Would you support a criminal who raped or killed your loved one? So that he can re-enter society under the pretence of a reformed criminal and inevitably we find history repeating itself.

      liveby.thesword.1 - 2012-10-28 22:13

      @ray...exactly.....what sould happen is these criminals should be chained up in gangs and made to do work for the tax paying public period!!! the moment you take away citizens human rights and get convicted of a crime....is the moment you no longer have human rights! die by the sword.

      kobie.nel1 - 2012-10-29 09:28

      Liveby, now you talk my language. Only problem is, where will you get trustworthy "overseers", and you will have to have a military unit with them to stop their pals trying to free them.

  • Shane Kelly - 2012-10-28 18:42

    we already do with our tax money

  • matthew.ovendale.3 - 2012-10-28 18:50

    This is good, it is looking at positive alternatives in a system that is so obviously ineffective. That said it's one thing saying what needs to be done but a completely different thing doing it.

      liveby.thesword.1 - 2012-10-28 22:19

      no matthew.....what should be done is that every murderer should be hung in his homestead outside his families house for two weeks...and every person that steals hands should be chopped off......do this for a year and crime will go down and within time the prisons will be like society outside........

      liveby.thesword.1 - 2012-10-28 22:23

      you cannot rehabilitate an individual that's got no respect for human life....trust me....i do clinical psychology....

      daan.vanwyk - 2012-10-29 08:28

      Hi Matthew, It seems you are a bit outnumbered here, so I wanna support you. I fully agree with you. Our current system is obviously failing miserably. We need to start thinking laterally to get to new solutions that really change people. Because our current jailing systim just turns petty criminals into hardened criminals. After they served their prison sentence, they come out and do even worse things. There is an organisation called "Get Real" here in the Strand doing exactly this thing the minister is talking about - without any government support. Changing ex-con's lives one by one.... That is a positive solution!

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-10-28 18:56

    If the justice system was really effective and people reported all the crimes more than half the population of this country would be behind bars. Sociopaths among the criminals? Don't even think of rehabilitating them. Unless you can detect and remove that mistake in the brain's meshed connetions or some tumor. Or even perhaps the malfuntioning of the genes. Who knows? But they do not make up the majority of the jailed population. In this country, if I was black (or even as a white, that I am)I would regard criminal activity as a honorable occupation to keep my hunger and foiled ambitions at bay. We cannot go on pretending that the usual BS about criminal activity applies in this country. Who to blame and think it through logically? C'mon, let's get real. Think it through with some honesty.

      mike.clery - 2012-10-28 19:16

      "...if I was black (or even as a white, that I am)I would regard criminal activity as a honorable occupation to keep my hunger and foiled ambitions at bay". You can't be serious?

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-10-28 19:24

      @ mike.clery Absolutely! I am being very serious. Do I codone criminal activities? NO. Do I point at the real problems? YES. We MUST stop fooling ourselves.

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-10-28 20:08

      @ kenny.williams.395 Can you read and accordingly comprehend?

      mike.clery - 2012-10-28 20:15

      You can't justify crime, particularly in those cases where the criminal is harming an individual, either physically or economically. South Africans need to wake up to the fact that European, North American and Australian living standards aren't the standard to measure against. The vast majority of people on the planet don't live like that. Visit Indonesia, Cambodia, Vietnam and even Thailand and see what people have to do to survive. Here's an example - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ijen

  • Billy - 2012-10-28 18:57

    why arent prisoners used to maintain communities? i get helping the guys once they have served their term. (to a certain extent!!) instead of sitting around they can be used for various public works. that might help them rehabilitate themselves.

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-10-28 19:24

      @Billy...you right, prisoners should be used in Government Farms, to grow and manage food supplies to feed the hungry and themselves...this was done 20 years ago....there are many things that prisoners could be involved in....why not get them to build RDP homes...they could learn a trade doing that too.

      beverly.young3 - 2012-10-28 21:42

      There have been various rehabilitation organisations set up here in the EC. Well, sorry to report but they show very few sucess results. e,g. a person goes to jail for selling drugs....now we want to rehabilitate him/her....okay, so now they are earning a minumim wages and their old connections get in touch with them....well the prospect of earing a HUGE amount of money is too tempting to resist. So back they go to dealing, which is why they went to jail in the first place.... if you catch my drift....

  • jason.heineberg - 2012-10-28 18:57

    The ANC way- have a job to do. Blame someone else for not doing their job.

      nico.dejongh.90 - 2012-10-28 20:06

      Send them to Zumaville.

  • mike.clery - 2012-10-28 18:58

    What a load of rubbish!

  • mart.botha - 2012-10-28 18:58

    This is the biggest load of bull. Everytime that the government fails (and it seems like it's daily), they call on civil societies, business, communities and private individuals to do their work for them. This suggestion that offenders must be welcomed back into their communities is a diabolical one, in fact the converse is necessary. Offenders should be ostracised and 'run out of town' - this is the only way that a community can heal, reduce repeat offences and clean up and police their own streets. A communities resources must be invested in the lives of the innocent not the guilty. This attitude of 'you are allowed to make mistakes' is the exact reason why there are so many losers in our prisons. I AM NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE MISTAKES should be everyone's mindset and mantra. 'Fill your boots' government, how do you sleep at night knowing you have succeeded only in making South Africa the CRIME CAPITAL OF THE FARKING WORLD !!!!!

      talana.malherbe - 2012-10-29 09:37

      100% with you on this one @mantlekilo. Government needs to take their heads out of their asses and start doing their jobs!

  • antjie.vanstraaten - 2012-10-28 19:01

    Dear Minister Sibusiso Ndebele, why are we paying taxes? Why is government not doing it's work? Why is government not thinking about laws and law enforcement that would deter crimininality? Why is government part of the crimes in this country? Why is our president not in jail?

  • janis.moolman - 2012-10-28 19:05

    Sorry we already pay tax and for a criminal to have a roof over his head. Sorry the only way I will get involve is when this people is given the dead sentence

  • yar.wellnofine - 2012-10-28 19:08

    Wonderful idea. Please send me a few so that I can give them something usefule to do. Sweep the roads. JRA doesn't do it anymore. Pick up litter. Pikitup doesn't do it anymore. Build more prisons. Public works is too slow. Break rocks to make roads, Build roads. Has anyone got any other ideas?

      beverly.young3 - 2012-10-28 19:21

      Yeah, let them do the bloody job..hence the 400 million or so that was set aside for rehabilitation...(now missing) ....jeepers! HEY! 'member in the olden days? you could hire convicts for roadowrks and gardens? Oh no.......'they' said it infringed the okes dignities..eh?

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-10-28 19:31

      Build RDP homes...work on Government farms, to generate food for the hungry.

      beverly.young3 - 2012-10-28 21:32

      ha ha ha.I have many and then the reality sets in. You make them work ne? and the next thing they are toyi toying for more money???

  • Neal Sing - 2012-10-28 19:11

    allow a criminal close to my family and friends--Never.From this statement we can see that government does not take crime seriously

  • frans.vanderpoll - 2012-10-28 19:19

    Seriaas now Ndebele?! So I should care about a criminal who doesn't give two hoots about people's life, property or rights. Yeah right! I'll help them - straight to hell.

      Louizelle Van Der Mescht - 2012-10-28 19:24

      you must be kidding me! stop fattening up yourselves in parliament take some of our har earned tax money create jobs up our education, including matric cert for zuma, build houses!! work earn money rent a home buy food! not want want want! start at government thank you!

  • Martha1234 - 2012-10-28 19:20

    No ways, stop stealing our taxes, building palaces for presidents and DO YOUR JOB. So very sick of this blaming everybody but yourselves for the mess this country is in! How dare you suggest that any victim should in anyway help the criminals who harmed them. Utter rubbish!!

  • alivap.aliva - 2012-10-28 19:22

    Unyanisile mfo wthu

  • fairness.iseverything - 2012-10-28 19:22

    There is no way in hell that I will help any goverment until they themsemves start working as supposed stealing from their own people. Help my ass ndebele

  • andile.tyhaliti - 2012-10-28 19:23

    Government should take a lead first. How can they expect us to intergrate these people yet they do not have faith in their rehabilitation programmes. Some of these people come out with formal qualifications but the same government do not offer employment opportunities citing criminal record. Do your homework Bra S'bu.

      Louizelle Van Der Mescht - 2012-10-28 19:25

      well said andile.

  • hdejager3 - 2012-10-28 19:25

    wtf is he smoking

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-10-28 19:28

    Never in a 1000 years....could the public help in rehabilitating these criminals...they would be putting they lives in danger.

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-10-28 19:31

    i'm sure crime victims would enjoy taking part in the rehabilitation process. after all they've already had their lives ruined so it makes sense to rub their noses in it. The anc has no clue.

      ernest.lwandle - 2012-10-28 20:06

      patrick my friend i promis you iwill be the first one to enjoy to do that rehab process

  • archangel.zerachiel - 2012-10-28 19:31

    WHAT????? I liked the response from cemslie: "Line them up and shoot them!!!!!" How can your CANCer government even think of this? On the other hand: 1. Make them work HARD LABOUR for a living in prison (nothing is free) 2. They must pay for their food, lodging, clothing, medical etc. 3. Public works, communal farms, municipal street cleaning etc. 4. Minimum wage must apply. 5. Taxes must be deducted from this. 6. Money to be deducted for restitution to the victims of crime. 7.Whatever is left should go to their families thereby lessening the drain on public finance. (grants for prisoner's wive's etc) They will think more than twice before committing any crimes then. There, dealt with.

  • neville.oliver.18 - 2012-10-28 19:33

    Can you believe the ordasity of this so called government , eveytime they fail the onus falls onto the community . there is no dought in my mind that it is time to change the people who run the country before we fall into total dissaray . Please recognise this and just except the fact you are not capable of of running this country. Bye Bye Mr Zuma

  • renard.souza - 2012-10-28 19:35

    U just not doing ur job so ur now making it our problem as usual!

  • rontheogre - 2012-10-28 19:46

    The direct community that spawned the criminals(direct family, friends, townships, etc) that produced these criminals are mostly dysfunctional and crime ridden already and cannot be given the responsibility of having to help rehabilitate criminals, so the buck will be passed on to those that are functional, have also been affected by crime and are already funding the arresting, conviction process and incarceration of such criminals. When they are grown up it is already too late. The communities should be empowered and educated by our dysfunctional government so that the children grow up without the need to commit crimes and create punishment so severe that more(I know that some do not respond to any kind of punishment and should be removed from the gene pool) realise that crime never pays enough. But what are the odds of this happening when the best examples of criminals running free or on pardons are in or close to government?

  • sela.job - 2012-10-28 19:47

    poor educators!where they trained 2 rehabilitate prisoners...poor underpayed teachers...Ek is jammer!

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-10-28 19:49

    hehe so S'Bu Ndebele- after reading the above I hope you get the message- we are g@tvol of criminals and of you guys not doing your jobs. Bring back the death sentence- kill off half of them and we might reconsider trying to rehabilitate the okes pinching chocolates at Shoprite.

  • charnelle.bester - 2012-10-28 19:56

    Dream on.... These people are murderes, peodophiles and rapist, what regard do they have for life? How about the government must provide a decent education system to educate in order to achieve. HOW ABOUT LET THE PUNISHMENT FIT THE CRIME? FOR A RAPIST AND PEODOPHILE - Castration. A murderer - Execution....Ndebele your using your bringing this message forward in a time where crime is rife and the nation is angry.

  • markus.esterhuyse - 2012-10-28 19:57

    That is a briliant plan! Let them rob, kill,hijack, rape! The community will come and give them back massages, manicures, pedicures! Foot massages! We can even sponsor prostitutes! From now on there will be no more 4 balls without 2 cons in the mix! No family allowed at wimpy or spur without 2 cons! Every family must collect and do at least 4 cons washing and ironing! 4 families must cover the DSTV bill per cell! Are you smoking weed in parliament?

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-10-28 19:58

    I made the following comment above: "If the justice system was really effective and people reported all the crimes more than half the population of this country would be behind bars." I do not have to say that the lies (dishonesty) in our everyday commercial activities are mostly not less in substance to that of many of the criminal activities people find themselves in jail for. Example: You pay the plumber or builder. Defective service. Try to get them to come and fix it? You've paid them. Now look at the housebreaker. Hopefully you are not at home when it takes place. But the same consequence. Why did motor car mechanics even bother to become such? Housebreaking would be the more appropriate appellation for them. Point I'm making? Except for invading your private space the commong criminal is no more dishonest than the average participant in the economy. Include the government and the rest. Is it right? No! But we are looking at a helpless situation. This is the point I'm making: Let those BS holy poly's commenting on this thread get real or just shut up.

      stanley.millar7 - 2012-10-29 00:34

      didn't understand a word of what you just said.

  • markus.esterhuyse - 2012-10-28 20:03

    Mr Ndebele! You screwed up at the department of transport and now you studied a 2 week course in criminal behavior and has come up with this ingenious plan! Your hands must be sore from patting your own back! JZ moved you to an easy post and you want to screw this up to!! Who the man! You go tiger!

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-10-28 20:17

      @ markus.esterhuyse Criminal behavior everywhere. the unlucky ones are ending up in jail.

  • ian.webmagic - 2012-10-28 20:47

    Sure, let me know where/when the rapists and pedophiles are released and I will be happy to help them. Straight into an early grave!!

  • sandor.l.varga - 2012-10-28 21:03

    Dear Sibisiso What Ever, go and screw yourself with your stupid idea.

  • alaina.robbertse - 2012-10-28 21:06

    They got themselves in this mess.Ndebele please keep some things to yourself.You help them and not the community ok?

  • mfundoj1 - 2012-10-28 21:21

    Minister are u mad!? How can u expect communities to take responsibility for these offenders. The only rehabilitation we will provide them is MOB-JUSTICE! We'll be honored =)

  • Brian Dorning - 2012-10-28 21:25

    Death penalty for the most serious of offenders...this should ease the overcrowding issue

      Andrew Edwin Day - 2012-10-28 21:51

      oh so not only am I expected to forgive the bastard that shot and crippled me and the swine that stabbed me but now to find them work when for 12 years I have been unemployed like bloody hell

  • maditabalucia.mmatli - 2012-10-28 21:44

    how do u help someone who raped you,or your child!where do u even start.i think thats the job its suppose to be done by the state,unless you want communities to take the law into their own hands..

  • charmy1969 - 2012-10-28 22:05

    Let's rehabilitate this thieving goverment!!!\r\nWasting taxpayers money trying to change a rapist into a model citizen! Stop feeding and entertaining them and put them to flippen work.

  • Lana - 2012-10-28 22:33

    BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!

  • yolanda.haripersad.1 - 2012-10-28 23:06

    "Music, literature, arts, cultural events, heritage, sport, formal education and skills acquisition should be used to reinforce corrections programmes." This should be done at school, then maybe we won't have so many criminals

  • stanley.millar7 - 2012-10-29 00:30

    These guy has ever been a victim of crime or else he wouldn't be saying all this crap.

  • arthur.salvado - 2012-10-29 06:09

    Why have prisons? Many people have a spare room at home so why not make these rooms available to criminals . In fact they should just stay after robbing you or killing a member of your household. An extra room available for criminals ? What the f$ck are these incompetent buffoons talking about ? Stupid stupid ignorant ....... Don't know what to call them. Any suggestions ?

  • archangel.zerachiel - 2012-10-29 06:19

    WHAT????? I liked the response from cemslie: "Line them up and shoot them!!!!!" How can your CANCer government even think of this? On the other hand: 1. Make them work HARD LABOUR for a living in prison (nothing is free) 2. They must pay for their food, lodging, clothing, medical etc. 3. Public works, communal farms, municipal street cleaning etc. 4. Minimum wage must apply. 5. Taxes must be deducted from this. 6. Money to be deducted for restitution to the victims of crime. 7.Whatever is left should go to their families thereby lessening the drain on public finance. (grants for prisoner's wive's etc) They will think more than twice before committing any crimes then. There, dealt with.

      rouen.heiberg - 2012-10-29 07:09

      I couldn't have said it better myself.

  • hendrik.andries.5 - 2012-10-29 08:10

    I've got a few high branches and lots of rope, send them over. They will have a high and dry job. Hehehehehehehehe.

  • quartus.vanzyl - 2012-10-29 08:13

    we did not help the prisoners to become criminals, so why must we now help to reform them? Its the duty of the prisons for which we pay a lot of tax.

  • yvonne.joseph.1612 - 2012-10-29 08:33

    Why have you not brought back the death penalty? Criminals that cannot be rehabilitated are oxygen thieves, and need to be eradicated anyway

  • sisie.indola - 2012-10-29 08:44

    My taxes feed and house these criminals - what else do they want? Besides a cushy life in prison. So they can't go out those 4 walls - do you think i care - no.

  • Forgotten - 2012-10-29 09:35

    Why the hell should I take responsibility for criminals... I didn't tell these criminals to go and kill a person or rob another!!! Hell what did the person smoke who said we have to take responsibility!!!

  • briana.scott - 2012-10-29 09:39

    What an absolute joke.

  • talana.malherbe - 2012-10-29 09:40

    Here is an idea, let these criminals be on a 24 hour strike standby to serve the community...every time there is a strike, send the criminals in to do the work...let the strikers deal with them...

  • marius.a.visser - 2012-10-29 10:05

    What about the poor victims??? I suppose it was their fault for being in the wrong place at the wrong time? But ok...ill help... ill donate the bullets and ropes!!